main reason they're concerned about that is that the it's less regulated than say the high speed rail as well as the airplanes so they want to be able to track people because the high speed rail and boarding aircraft airlines they have to show people have to show id so with the bus service it's less regulated so you don't really have to show your id all the time so the concern about that is people couldn't be tracked if they needed to be that's why this is one of several bus stations long distance bus stations here in beijing that's why this one was shut down let's go back to xi jinping and his concern grave concern as he said with the coronavirus know what's very interesting a move a rare meeting for the pullup or a standing committee happened on the 1st day of the lunar new year that is very rare the 7 most powerful people in the government here in china met and what they decided is that they're going to form a special group led by one of those 7 people to oversee the coronavirus action if you will and we know that they're going to have a special group that's going to go down to will haunt the epicenter of this so it's really elevated to the very highest levels of the government here overseeing this coronavirus situation. kongs leader has declared the crime virus an emergency but she's under pressure to do more as adrian brown explains carry them so far has ruled out a temporary closure of the from 2 between hong kong and china and you know even if she wanted to i think her political masters in beijing simply wouldn't allow her to go ahead with that we would be seen i think as being too much of a political decision but here in hong kong we've had a another reminder every day we get a reminder of course of just how serious this virus is now being viewed hong kong disney has now shut its doors temporarily for the foreseeable future also ocean park another big theme park here in hong kong is also shutting its doors present trends lawyers have opened the defense of his senate impeachment trial they say he has done nothing wrong in his dealings with ukraine and if the charges are politically motivated it's very asking you not only to overturn the results of the last election but as i've said before they're asking you to remove president trump from the ballot in an election that's occurring in approximately 9 months they're asking you to tear up all of the ballots across this country on your own initiative take that decision away from the american people floods in southeastern brazil have killed at least 13 people 2 days of record rainfall fell and men yes that i state more downpours expected and thousands have been left homeless. rescue teams in southeast turkey are searching for survivors from friday's earthquake a 5 year old girl and her mother were pulled out of the rubble 31 people are known to have been killed. protests are being held in australia calling for the national day to be changed or scrapped altogether so called invasion day events are commemorating indigenous people who were killed in the conflict with white settlers as well as others who recently died in police custody australia day marks the arrival of the 1st fleet of convict ships from britain and 788. the world's largest democracy india is celebrating its 71st republic day results president terrible sin r.-o. is the guest of honor and he signed 15 deals with india to boost trade kasian marks the day the constitution came into effect after any again and dependents of british rule. i am. as the headlines keep it on al-jazeera face to face jobs and gates next. can i just in a sense grew up together we were within a year of the same age and you know we were kind of naïve really optimistic and built a big company and most of it as rivals but we always retained a certain respect communication including even when he was sacked i got to go out and spend time with steve joel was the man of many line wonderkid rebel a sort of new age guru of high tech. bill gates the richest man in the world a relentless achiever fueled by dreams of greatness. to supernovas who synergy and rivalry led to the creation of a binary system with a friendly i don't think they called each other say no it's my birthday happy birthday i don't think it was that kind of relationship and microsoft's just you know that it's mcdonald's the only thing they had in common was having dropped out of school to pursue their vision of your dreams though they never worked in the same company they created an industry together and we had a hippie editor at. the . gates and job was the mightiest jewel of the tech industry has ever known the epic battle between mac and p.c. jobs the hippie and gates the geek literally dictated the future of the computer. in the seventy's steve jobs and bill gates are still adolescents video games are just starting to appear and computers still are enormous machines supercomputers that only the largest companies can afford a market dominated by the american multinational i.b.m. . a native of seattle and son of a well family bill gates enjoys creating computer programs and software during his high school and university days with his friend paul allen. and bill gates and paul allen they were after harvard and get a computer store at the bookstore in harvard square there was a magazine popular electronics january $1075.00 and it had a picture of the l. tear on the cover that was the gun that was fired the start of the race for them the old to all the dinosaur of personal computer who's a rudimentary tool a mix of total switches and flashing lights it is reborn thanks to bill gates and paul island by creating a programming language for the ultima called basic they provide it with intelligence. level lucian of. the languages thing was what they were passionate about bill gates and paul allen's goal in 175 was to dominate the languages business on personal computers that's why they left harvard immediately afterwards in april 900 $75.00 gates and allen start their company microsoft the purpose is to sell basic but above all to develop new software for future computers also in 1985 in palo alto california another do you own steve jobs and steve wozniak high school students who are fans of this new technology also discovered the ultimate h. the start of an epic journey were steve was now he looked at that l. terror for him this was not elegant there were too many chips the thing was too big so immediately what was was doing in his head was saying i can design a computer all on one board this would be the one was in job's other 1st to succeed in putting all. the components that make a computer hooked onto a single board power supply keyboard and memory all connected to screen the 2 friends have just invented the personal computer making me out of one was purely was his idea and it was purely his design but once he showed it to his good friend steve jobs steve is the marketing person that you see. we can make money. but for now the apple one is being manufactured in the jobs family garage. i'm pretty much the only person who worked in the garage at least on the apple line . steve jobs was on the phone all the time he was in the kitchen on the phone i was in the garage testing up on boards one year after the founding of microsoft the apple computer companies established in april 976 microsoft and apple the 2 pillars of the computer revolution they both. believe that computers were not just important but crucial. and. and yet they had a very different way of going after it jobs was coming from hardware and and gates was coming at it from software and that was so they came at it from 2 different directions but they both. were very strong minded men who believed they were they were changing the world. while bill gates continues to develop his basic the silicon valley do you will push ahead steve wozniak develops the apple 2 while steve jobs looks for investors so that he can grow his young company. impressed by jobs angel investor mike market invests $250000.00 in apple which expands and moves to cupertino where its headquarters are still located today. the how many calculators you to marry and you have to use the automatic bank telling machines short so life is already seducing you into learning the stuff and it's certainly not an 8984 ish visit vision at all it's just going to be very gradual and very human in will seduce you into learning how to use it jobs and was unveiled their new computer in the spring of 1977 at the computer fair in san francisco the apple 2 is a smash hit with. the apple 2 was a huge that it was actually really the 1st all usable personal computer the apple 2 always you know i always thought it was magical because you could do almost anything you thought of if he were creative enough the apple to the 1st personal computer designed for the general public the sales are phenomenal it in bodies the computer revolution but it has a serious handicap and the person who has the solution is bill gates was the acro version of basic but it wasn't. completely up to date that was a certain aspect of it that wasn't in there so they began looking around for another version of basic that ran on that ship at the apple 2 used and microsoft was a company that had it so they got in touch with bill gates. with basic microsoft supplies with the apple 2 locks this is the 1st collaboration between bill gates and steve jobs but at the end of the seventy's thanks to the success of the aapl to the spotlight is on steve jobs and then in 1980 they went public so there are all these people have stock that got very rich in it was one of the 1st public companies in the personal computer space where people got rich so than people started to really paying attention what's it like to get rich it's very interesting i was worth. about over a $1000000.00 when i was $23.00 and over $10000000.00 when i was $24.00 and over $100000000.00 when i was $25.00 but. especially at that point in my life it was it was not the most important thing the most important thing was the company the people the products we were making. the products also the obsession of bill gates his vision of a world organized a run software. there's a lot of people who are forecasting that they'll be software stores just like there are record stores today and then they'll be thousands and thousands of those and i think i'd have to agree with that oh my god so it's 1st product was basic and that was sold to apple and that was sold to radio shock and commodore they were all customers so he already was doing business with sort of everybody that was trying to make personal computers he was the 1st person to really have the idea of a software company separately from a hardware company and that maybe the software company was going to create more value hard work but apple was the big elephant you know bill gates was the mouse so bill gates being that position he was a scheming you know strategic guy and he managed to work his company up despite the fact that the giants of the personal computer business apple and to some extent in i.b.m. were giants and he had to get his software on to them in order to grow his company . i.b.m. the computer hardware giant soon entered the new personal computer market but computers and nothing without software to i.b.m. known as big blue turns to bill gates who seizes the opportunity and in 1980 signs of a lucrative contract with i.b.m. his new computer operating system would run on all i.b.m. p.c. amas dos is the backbone of the p.c. and it makes the computer easier to use. the smartest thing he did maybe the smartest thing he ever did. computer business was that he got i.b.m. to sign a deal that gave him a one time payment. i don't allow him to license it other people might clone i.b.m. p.c. i.b.m. did not really think anybody else was in a successfully clone their p.c. so they didn't care it's bill gates's must have strong in addition to his contract with i.b.m. he retains the right to sell his computer operating system to any of big blue's competitors bring go with dos gates sets the software standard for the entire p.c. industry i'd say within 6 months of him doing the i.b.m. deal. everybody in silicon valley knew about microsoft the. in the early eighty's steve jobs and bill gates are still under 32 key players in a rapidly expanding industry meteoric success stories for 2 very different personalities. robert cringely knew both men well he worked with gates and jobs starting in the late seventy's a former staff member at apple he switched to journalism and for more than 30 years has written about their rivalry with bill was always about the money with steve it was never about the money and money is nice but it was never about them i am so that that made them black and white you know up and down up the hole they were there very very different people i hired steve jobs at atari when i think hughes 90. he was very sure of himself and was quick to judge whether he thought you were smart or dumb and if he thought you were dumb he was very dismissive even if you were his supervisor he he was very good at knowing what he wanted and he would just steamroll you into doing it and he definitely relied on his instincts a lot he relied on his gut and he talked about that all the time and that's a certain type of spiritual dimension of being into being you know we had read books about for instance gordon chief a famous russian spiritual master who was always talking about integration and a horde of us which means using all your faculties which means using your 3rd eye of vision. in the 70s like many of the hippies at the time steve jobs and his friend daniel costa leave to go to india the trip is a rite of passage a search for spiritual wisdom. we were looking for a wise man who had secrets of knowledge for us. nothing really much happened to us we did not find the guru we hoped we would find. steve would talk about all this. spiritual stuff and yet he could be a cool person you know he he he had a real troubles with intimacy he couldn't allow himself to get close to people. i don't know why you know he loved the idea of spiritual ism but to live it was hard for him. and bill is just geeky and l. his he he's just a very nerdy guy and as such in especially his early years he had problems communicating and being understood and his family didn't know what to do with them and he found his niche in business and technology and succeeding just on the basis of brainpower steve jobs a much better marketeer than the bill gates was but he was not really that technical he was not a technical. code writer bill gates could write code and write good code bill just different he lead with the data and with the inside in the technology any idea where steve led with you know what's it feel like to look like you know so. much more technical much more marketing where we are one. in. one. was. in 1940 jobs the king of marketing unleashes a groundbreaking advertising campaign this is to promote his newest creation the legendary macintosh a rampart against the our well in world of the giant i.b.m. after the macintosh nothing would ever be the same again simpler operating features new design the most appears and the graphics interface those little windows that make life so much easier these innovations combined with software developed by microsoft like excel and word make the mag an overwhelming success in fact bill gates becomes a key figure in promoting the mac for years now it's a great machine it's a step forward in terms of the way uses graphics and the speed of. business machine that a lot of people are going to be able to afford that's a very very useful machine there was a lot of collaboration on the market there was microsoft roads really great. things for the for the muck you know excel came out 1st on the map the atmosphere was fine when he came i remember the 1st couple times remember that we were not competitors at all at that point they were our allies and helping making the macintosh happen so we got along very well with them they were similar to us in many ways. well done so they macintosh software dating game. software ceo's could i please ask you to introduce yourself in a power to be of the dating game hosted by jobs the contestants of the software producers who contributed to the success of the my name is bill gates i'm chairman of microsoft and during 1984 microsoft expects to get half of its revenues are macintosh. behind the smiling facade steve jobs plays the king and treats bill gates like a vassal for making numbers 3 describe your ideal relationship with apple. well i will be selling our software independently so the key thing is that apple gets a lot of consistent standard machines out there quickly i spent the whole time 2 days went by with bill being ignored we were treated like some crappy little it was like the most oh it was horrible we went for a walk bill and i went for a walk all the way the diamond head and back on the beach talking about how screwed we were. what we're going to do lotus going to kill us we are so screwed so we had work process into excel we're just like we're just excel saturday extra because they were just blown his offer it. bill gates is bitter but we tains his foresight the monks renowned graphics interface represents the future of personal computer without a qualm he makes his move you know i didn't trust bill gates you know while we were working on the macintosh ed was one of the 1st people apple to catch on to the fact that microsoft was cloning the macintosh they were making their own version of the macintosh operating system. i was always on the phone with a fellow who was in charge of microsoft's application software he was asking me questions about how the macintosh system software words that he didn't need to know to do what he was doing so i kind of caught on to the idea hey they're copying the mac. i told steve he wasn't worried about it at all jobs is in reached when he learns that microsoft is launching a new operating system windows there was a pretty strong disagreement with windows game you know then that was probably of all of the things that are applicable to me so i was the i was the thing that upset out of the most people out there so their lawyers. and to some and certainly you know i'm sure upset steve to some some extent. he was very upset and his 1st reaction was get bill gates down here tomorrow and i thought well boy you can't just call your competitor down it might take a week or something but i was amazed or was there the very next day. i was very impressed by bill gates because there was an extremely angry steve jobs in there there are maybe 8 or 10 other apple people but just bill for microsoft no entourage you know no one there with angry steve jobs pouring down them just yelling at him you trade us how can you how can you be trained and bill gates as cool as can be said back well steve that's one way of looking at it i have another way of looking at it he knew that the graphical user interface was the future of computing and so if he wanted to be to remain in you know dos was everything dos was huge but he knew that if he didn't do windows he'd be out of business. bill gates goes on the offensive job's already had a taste of this when renewing licensing for basic which he quipped aapl to still cupertino his bestselling computer it's the end of their collaboration no it's open warfare they had to go shish and bill held out for a extremely high price that he didn't expect to get and steve sell trapped and so he paid bill what bill asked. he overpay for the contract extension of. microsoft basic they made so much money from that apple contract that they devoted the excess money the money they never expected to get to creating an international business we always talk about companies plane cats it's a chess game well everybody else was playing chess bill was playing 3 dimensional chess he already had his move on another board already calculated from 3 moves on the previous board so if you look at the fact that microsoft more than half of microsoft's business is now outside of america that wouldn't have happened without apple the way. we did see increasing success job's becomes even more live a megalomaniac the world's no revolves around him he creates his own personality cult the machine he says and it literally recognizes him as its father. and a great. list in show it is with considerable that i introduce them that. speed. oh i think if you talk to a lot of people on the mac team they will tell you. it was the hardest they've ever worked in their life. some of them will tell you it was you know the happiest they've ever been in their life but i think all of them will tell you that is certainly one of the most intense and cherish experiences they will ever have an. idea so. you know it's. some of those things you q 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national day to be changed or scrapped altogether so called invasion day events are commemorating indigenous people who were killed by white settlers as well as others who recently died in police custody. the world's largest democracy india is celebrating its 71st public day brazil's president terrible snarl is the guest of honor 15 deals with india to boost trade. for the headlines keep it face to face jobs and gates you return you to that now. are going. to. a difficult leader those close to steve jobs describe him as unapologetically pragmatic a dictator who ruled by instinct more than loyalty he believed. very small groups of people being pushed into greatness and that was in part because he felt that he could only. lead i have felt people at most and so why not lead the best handle so he was constantly trying to figure out who is the best ever you know i was fired by steve jobs 3 times i was fired because i was kept dropping out of the best. i'm john sculley brother of apple in 1903 steve jobs lures joan scully away from pepsi cola to become c.e.o. of apple with this legendary phrase you want to keep selling sugar water all your life or do you want to come with me and change the world they start off as the perfect do you do to mediocre mac sales combined with jobs increasingly to radical counted to the honeymoon is soon over. it came down to eventually on the board a war between john sculley and steve jobs in the end because steve jobs had actually burned out so many people and created so much animosity and fear about himself when the board came to a vote it was almost like the entire company voted that would they would rather not have steve jobs around anymore. tell us about your departure from that. it was very painful i'm not even sure i want to talk about it. what can i say i had the wrong guy that was stolen. and. he destroyed everything i spent 10 years working for and a friend of mine was working at apple that day the day that steve left and they were all called out of their offices and they all assembled down on the in the parking lot and sat on the curb and everything and they were. told our one of our you know our founder steve jobs is leaving the company and nobody care they're like good good we can get our work done with all of this craziness and madness and nobody cared. for steve jobs his eviction from apple in 1985 it feels like the tragic end of a love story he has been robbed of his child soon afterward using his own money he creates a new company next he is going to prove to everyone that he doesn't need outpolling and will continue to revolutionize the world of computers in his own mind he was the sole genius behind album but we got it right now. thanks to mr because he needed friends he needed people to help. and microsoft never did anything for me. but they didn't oppose next either you know bill didn't seem next as a factor. he didn't see he didn't seem next as good as being evil having the potential for success and so he didn't have to oppose it. first thing to look at in this product is user interface that's perhaps the most important thing about this product this is the user interface of windows 2.0 of windows 6 in the late eighty's after a basic and dos bill gates wanted his new operating system windows to become the standard system worldwide roland hansen is the man who made bill gates the software industry's number one media figure and it's also due to this marketing wizard that windows the graphics into fees which would conquer the world owes its name. we realized that the opinion where you know they were calling these gurus none of these writers were calling them goodies anymore they were calling them all windowing systems because they were creating windows on the screen. personal holy crap if these are all we're doing systems there's only one name we can be we have to be microsoft windows. well windows 95 is so easy even a talk show host figured out. windows was an affront. to jobs windows was an insult to jobs. distant relative of mine windows in just 10 years is installed in almost all computers on the market gaining planetary success with windows $95.00 gates and the p.c. definitively dethrone the mac. if you make i've grown man cry. windows was a way to move everything that he wanted to do forward and it was the foundation for everything that followed. that was one of the windows 98 came out real revolution personal computer windows as you point out as are 90 percent of the computers around the world i mean today still is a phenomenal fact. and i don't see that changing anytime soon with the fantastic success of windows 95 the geek from seattle becomes the monster of software and also the richest man in the world interviewed at the time by robert cringely steve jobs expresses his contempt in a few stinging words he describes what caused the break between him and his old wife the only problem of microsoft is they just have no taste they have absolutely no taste and. that means is that i don't mean that in a small way i mean in a big way. so i guess. i am saddened not by microsoft's success i have no problem with their success they've earned their success for the most part i have a problem with the fact that they just make really 3rd rate products their products have no spirit to them. the steve decided that. maybe he had gone too far so he called he called bill up on the phone to apologize and he said he said bill. you know i saw the documentary you know i think i think maybe maybe i shouldn't have said that publicly about about having no tastes and and bill said well thank you steve you know our really want to thank you for doing that i think you went too far and then bill said and then steve said but it's true you know. you have no. i think i should've said it publicly but you know it's true and bill said steve i may have no taste but you said my whole company as those days. after the failure of next and by the success of his rival bill gates jobs gets back on his feet by investing in pixar a computer animation film company that would become a good mine and as usual he takes food credit for it. but when i 1st met ed catmull who ran the computer division of lucas film who i founded pixar with we did it together. ed showed me what they were working on and i was i was blown away in the graphics were you know years beyond anything i'd ever seen before and he told me of his dream to make the 1st computer animated feature film and i bought into that dream both sort of emotionally and financially and we found at pixar it's just wrong you know it's just wrong that's the part of the marketing story that he sold about himself which is a good story but it's just wrong he's not pixar these the money of pixar he seductively narcissistic articulate something's just not right there but. whenever he wants to sell something boy does he do it including himself in 1995 toy story is the 1st fully computer running mate of film to become a blockbuster it paves the way for pics on his continued success propelling a triumphant steve jobs to center stage once again and here's where steve did something he was really good at he grabbed the moment. and he took the company public. based on nothing we had basically no cash. we just had this movie and then we were critics it was going to be good and he took this is where he can sell something right he took that idea and sold it to pixar public became a billionaire overnight 10 years after jobs departure apple still hasn't recovered the company is on the verge of bankruptcy one last card to play the return of the wonder boy apple appoints jobs i see and bice's former failing company next when he came back to apple in 996 he was a much more mature much better you know he'd gone through a success of one company was a failure of another so he had left his youthful craziness behind it. i think is one of the greatest turnarounds in the history of of any industry in any country anywhere to have a man come back to a company that is really going down very rapidly. and very bad shape and then pull off that success that he did something happen that that that did changed and what i believe it was was that for the 1st time it was his money next it was his money he was losing. at apple it was arthur rock's money you know it was the it was the public's money it was wall street's money it wasn't real money. to his return to apple steve jobs back into mind develops a new plan of action an occasion to make an amazing the known to his adoring public . and i'd like to announce one of our 1st partnerships today a very very meaningful one and that is one with microsoft. the discussions actually began because there was some. patent disputes and rather than now i know. rather than our repeating history i'm extremely proud of both companies that they have resolved these differences in a very very professional way and i happen to have a special guest with me today via satellite downlink and if we could get him up on the stage right now. that i've done in my career below was genuinely happy when steve came by i think he recognized and felt. that losing apples as a successful company wouldn't be good for the industry and so and i think that was. that was when the relationship became closer and the relationship stayed close bill didn't do a favor for the city what bill did was microsoft had a successful business selling macintosh applications they were making a profit selling macintosh applications if apple went out of business the back software business at microsoft would go out of business too. so he had a franchise to protect now the fact that steve jobs was sort of crawling you know made it better bill gates has another motive for coming to steve jobs 8 the antitrust lawsuit pending against microsoft over its 10 year windows monopoly. i'm here to share my story and answer questions about microsoft and the p.c. industry. i hope that my testimony helps the court to resolve the issues in this case that would be bill. especially after the trust battle. really the day to day part of the company was really. getting to be very hard on him and that microsoft was so big and so successful that it was a time that he could move on and go on to something else. as gates steps a selling job as clients to new heights he adopts a new concept the ad campaign think different i return to his original idea of simplicity. the brain i most respect about apple is they have found a way to make complex things something and that was the think different campaign thing different really got you to think but then when you went to really explored. it was there for. a brilliant marketing idea for the i mock the new home computer that gives its users the feeling of being special set apart from the standardised world of the p.c. . then he said ok i could build macintosh this forever but that would be boring so we're going to create the digital hub strategy and we're going to create the i pod in the i phone and the touch pad and everything and they're going to connect through computers but the computer is only about. if we're going to carry their computers around and that's the strategy 497-9899 when they came up with that so then he could do what he did best which was designed brand new products so that steve jobs is that it's like i am an alchemist i am a magician. i am going to make this rabbit disappear i'm not just going to make a rabbit i made disappear i want to make the buttons move around they like things that are matched. with the world steve jobs makes a new and unique contribution to our way of life a new digital wound with a single brand me and that means innovation design and user friendly next no not always true of microsoft products. the big change would is the i pod. steve song or use an m.p. 3 player threw a lot of them around for 2 years for the audio but they were reserved for techies and so apple created that a better music player that was better because of the ease of use and then they had to fly the way to feed it. and in doing so of course. they. took the record companies that claim it was you know they they they say they stole the music business from the record companies because a record company sought this is kind of interesting but it's not going to mean anything it's nothing you know this is no big deal apple told 'd the record companies. that their goal in the 1st year was to sell a 1000000 music downloads. they sold a music a 1000000 music downloads in the 1st week. they sold 100000000 the in the 1st year. they sold a 1000000000 in the 1st 2 years and the music business has changed forever and the record companies say what is that what where did that come from. an i pod. a phone. and an internet communicator. an i pod. the iphone defining steve jobs as a modern visionary able to satisfy every consumer need and desire. confronted with counsel perhaps he realizes his days a number no time to lose to make his mark in history apple is going to reinvent the phone he was our running a company that had gone off and done some really amazing things and was no longer in this sort of i'm in the shadow of a bill gates about the shadow of microsoft apple's become this enormously successful company apple's those more business when i really have all those more business and i phones and microsoft those in total business and then the most valuable company in the in the world now steve jobs didn't change the world steve jobs capitalized on a lot of things bill changed the world bill made software what it is today if bill had created the standards you know him a stoss windows and was very dogmatic at making sure those standards took hold we wouldn't have the technology we have today and i'm talking globally i'm not talking of the united states globally he impacted the world in terms of what he did with software. he decided to do the same frame and form for perry. this is my last you know. and it's the middle of this year in july that i moved from being a full time employee microsoft working full time at the foundation be the 1st time since i was 17 that i'd have my full time microsoft job far from the realm of high tech rivalry bill gates known chooses to help alleviate suffering in the world the foundation he heads with his wife melinda makes this billionaire the most generous for them through best in history he keeps a vigilant eye on microsoft but today the dreams he no choose on linked to humanitarian causes is go down in history as the world's greatest lance was no doubt about no one come closer and so i think for anybody else whether of steve jobs or whoever your view of bill changed a little bit when you saw what a good job he was doing i mean it wasn't like some guys screwing around with rock stars and occasionally showing up at a charity fundraiser because it really focused you know like achievable goals you know why about malaria no big deal you know things are just amazing right. what individual in the history of money has devoted $20000000000.00 to anything. no one would give bill gates so he's you know plays to win a place to win. steve never got their state never give a penny pincher i once had a conversation with steve much later after bill gates retired from microsoft and he was doing what i thought was great stuff that trying to eradicate diseases in 3rd world and stuff and i said well you know even though bill gates on a wrecked the technology industry for a decade or 2 you got to be proud of what he's doing now and steve look at me and said what do you mean distributing is ill gotten gains you know us and he wasn't ready to give him all that much credit for that. steve jobs never missed a chance to insult his old enemies like these awful commercials that made p.c. users and critics say something positive for the p.c. ok easy p.c. you are a wizard with numbers and you dress like a gentleman you see well. i guess you are a little better creative stuff thank you even though it's pretty juvenile once. maybe twice. in 2007 the 2 giants come face to face for a last media event pasta confrontation has at last given way to peaceful rival. first i called jobs because i thought he'd be the hardest to get and he said if bill does it i will do it but we have to keep it i want to keep it on a high level i don't want to just be a fight was the greatest misunderstand between you and your relationship and about eat each other what would you say would be we've kept our marriage secret for over a decade now and i do our competitors in certain ways we watch the american way right the commercials and you get annoyed at each other from there i know i have to confess i like p.c. guy but yeah he's great i know you know that i want our to those you know the art of those commercials is not to be me but it's actually for the guys to like each other. on. their. p.c. guys p.c. guys great i like a lot of the law. on his mother loves his mother not just you know i have the bills still viewed. as kind of a freak and he's fascinated by you know that people say why should you let. steve treat you that way and build an even though he was being treated a certain way he was just. watching this and saying who is this guy you know i do how does this work i have is there an algorithm here i don't because i don't get it . with steve jobs health deteriorating bill gates paid a last visit to his longtime rival and friend it would be a bittersweet end the last chapter in a legendary june. after a lifetime of innovation steve jobs died on october the 5th 2011. bill gates and steve jobs high tech giants who revolutionized the way we live work and play. as earaches bros prominent figures of the 20th century and how life will receive influenced the course of history that was the human revolution coming is a way feel castro is a fee to lease the not a communist or just for once it is country che wanted international revolution became a point when the relationship came to an end the icons of revolution who changed the course of latin american politics. and fidel castro face to face on al-jazeera . hello there we've had some very heavy snow across some sections to the north in the middle east but we have got some common weather conditions over the next couple of days but as i say not the full this amount of snow is produced in eastern turkey so it is take a while to dig out from that but conditions a fine unclear overall for the next couple of days tentacles cooled by day cold in the overnight hours since got shazam snow flurries work in the east eastern sections of iran and also pretty strong. on the go so taking the top of these temp does not warm anyway just 18 celsius and sunday on look at this 14 degrees in riyadh and we will see it will feel colder than that with the wind that is actually in place monday really notice any woman but as i say still a fairly quiet picture beginning to see some showers maybe just 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