Based monday today it might be a little harder of a slower than the usual im wondering because saturn is about to go retrograde the saturn is a planet of discipline and structure and having to just go with the grind so rather than focusing on so much the outer Authority Like your boss writing you to heart you have to listen to your in authority and get it in touch with your own sense of discipline im sam reynolds and astrologer and you are in the stream. And im really could be listening to my inner authority its unclear when human beings started looking up at the stars and planets for guidance solace our comfort perhaps astrology is as old as humanity itself but something a lot newer the digital age has started a global astrology boom astrologer amber khan explains more. I think theres a void being laughed at by religious institutions falling apart by lack of faith in pharmacology lack of faith in psychiatry people are looking for a different way to try to understand themselves without going to certain extremes. And astrology comes in on these new technological platforms and fills that any. Astrologers and investors are seeing opportunity where the stars and Technology Align according to one venture capitalist the market is now worth over 2000000000. 00 u. S. Dollars and joining me to chat about the stars the planets and the tech behind it all are some of astrology biggest influencers from new york astrologer channing nicholas and los angeles and david palmer celebrity astrologist also known as the leo king in newark astrologer stan runnels and in the new york lucy green is a futurist at Wunderman Thompson welcome to the stream everyone cheney id love to start with you how did you get into astrology in the 1st place i had a reading when i was 12 years old and the astrologer read not only my chart but my dads chart and my new step mom and her childrens chart and as a young child coming into a new family set up the astrologer was able to facilitate a conversation that really helped me to understand the difference between me and my kind of new family set up between me and my step brother and sister and it really helps me understand that we all work through challenges really differently and all come into whatever Group Setting or life or what have you with our own. It might. Go ahead. Yet it really spoke to me and everything that the astrologer was saying really familiar and in that familiarity i was like what is this how do you do this and she had written a book and so i got that and ive been studying ever since wow from such a young age so we have several people in our community who are interested in this topic but arent quite sure its useless i want to read a couple of those tweets this is most are who says just astrology having the actual impact in our life another person writes and this is you son he says does astrology really explain User Behavior so a couple people with some questions there sam o. Pasties over to you how would you want to them. Yes absolutely i mean i came to strong logie as a skeptic as it sounds some of these people are and ive had that question many times i will with the impact of astrology on peoples lives one to give them a sense that theyre not crazy that some of the feelings and thoughts that they have that someone else can enunciate and clarify them without really knowing anything other than their birth data and i think that speaks to a lot of people and some people need some sense of encouragement to have some sense of timeframe about whats happening in my life i talked about saturn at the start of the show so someone may have walked into the office today and heard like their boss writing them and he like oh ok well maybe you know how can i cope with this and so they looked at the stars they looked in the stroller and get wisdom so you are a skeptic taught take us through your journey how did you become a believer and so i i started off as a disbeliever for religious reasons i was a fundamentalist at the time fundamentalist christian and then i went into academia and i had swung the other way and become more of an atheist and was more so looking at things in terms of race gender and class and graduate school so i went to an astrologer because a friend wouldnt get off my back about being a scorpio i thought i was a set to teria some on the quote unquote cusp so i went there just to kind of silence her and just to have fun and to see what the astrologer was going to say if i was going to be a hoot and he had some profound things to say to me specifically said things about my family dynamic that i hadnt told anyone in fact i had just learned recently myself so i was like oh this has to be a trick so i wanted to know what his trick was so i spent 10 years studying astrology and thus proving i was a scorpio as well. So as a scorpio here and i love theyre laughing at that chatty but as a scorpio here talk to me then about what that means for you. I mean some measure of winning to probe and get to the bottom of the truth and having some way of learning to structure your inner and deep feelings because sometimes youre not always clear riddles feelings and thoughts come from sometimes feeling some shame about those thoughts and feeling that you have to shelter yourself so that sometimes with the attachment or the statement about secrecy comes in about scorpio because sometimes we feel like we have to keep things in rather than learning to express them all right so you just see this is frightening to me basically that that was that is me it is so nice to feel understood and to feel read also but you did you talked a little bit about. Coming to this from a religious aspect and it not being something that you thought had value david i know youve spoken a lot about the stigma around a strong and that stigma that an astrologer faces today i want our audience to have a listen perhaps you can break that down for us yeah well i mean whether youre back into society its almost like being an astrologer has been axed out and weve been kind of put into our own little weird world and i think that its very important to utilize you know all the aspects of connecting to what we think of celebrity and pop culture and bringing these ancient science practices and all this wisdom to the mainstream world. Take it away. Well you know theres a stigma whether its from science institutions or religious but the stigma is actually so powerful because its embedded in all of our lives astrology our time system the month equals the moon 29 day cycle or the menstrual cycle 29. 5 days theres all these connections in our everyday life that astrology is embedded with and having the stigma around it is why i think so many people are actually turning to astrology because its almost kind of like were living in a world where we dont know the meanings of why we have this time system why are we going through these things and its with that that is actually creating this discourse today i always say to people that like i dont care if you believe quote unquote astral its your not i i have no investment in convincing anybody about astrology but i think its so important is understanding the history of astrology and that the history of astrology is interwoven with the history of medicine then of course with the history of astronomy at the history of science and that as david was saying its almost like it invisibly embedded into so much of our culture and so much of our western you know at least not even just western but like all kind of modes of thought and so when we look at philosophy and are the full of philosophical underpinnings of so many different systems they have astrology interwoven into them and even religious traditions also have astrology woven into them in some kind of fashion because we grew up as human beings looking at and having very deep relationship with nature because we didnt see ourselves separate from it for so long so as a jew you know like i celebrate the new now and both as a jew and as an astrologer because actually the new moon is actually embedded into both of those systems and they actually k. Out of the same quakes and so its natural that there are so many. Places in which they intersect so i want to share with you the view of someone who most likely would agree with everything you just said there is an astrologer based in new york and she sent us a video common you can see her Instagram Page here though and this is where she does a lot of her interactions with other people her name is in al belgrave and here is what she talks to us about on one level people use astrology to learn more about themselves on a personal level but we can also use astrology to look at the world at large as astrologers we look at global events and mental opens we look at social changes and we see these patterns not only in the here in now but in the past and when we look at the past you know well its the same if you dont learn from the past you can repeat those mistakes in the future and i think thats what people are using astrology for now is like a star map how do we solve our using what is available to us which is the heavens earth and each other. So this is just such a beautiful calm and they are talking about using it as a guide from the past to kind of guide our future but we have this comment here that i want to direct to you this is from watching on twitter who says astrology is a business rather than a science it lets you blame far we havent for your mistakes doesnt that sound appealing now to the idea that business is right even if others dont mean not agree with the rest of his comment there were talk to us about why the appeal and why this is become such a big business yeah i mean weve certainly seen an explosion of new products and services and it goes beyond just sort of astrology and consultation generally products crapping in the language of astrology and star signs and aligning with crystals i mean we and also a new audience for this as well so millennial is in jenns isa teenage is really starting to get interested in this stuff and then to me there seems to be a few drivers so one i would align it with the well being movement i call these new 8 practices or be seen as a way to aid in Mental Health to sort of psych self diagnose and navigate the world as well as understand yourself and but find a big meeting i mean we just put out a study this week with the anxiety economy looking at the degree to which this is sort of uncertain time is making people really off of existential questions. About the planet their lives and so on and i think astrology has a really powerful role to play and couple that you just have all these new Services Like the king who is super hip and multan and appealing to this group conserving a strategy on a new way supremo you know a lot of you have please please take that away i was going to say is that when you look at this whole entire economy with it what it is is the mayans were right 2012 is the end of the world that we know it people now after 2012 are looking at the world and not knowing whats going on and theyre having to look at these places because this is what the mayans talked about this is the real astrology going down ancient ancient ancient times and so when you come into this. Major reset in the calendar system the news covered this for the whole entire year of 2012 together with the world was going to end the rich huge movies of this you know destruction of the earth the truth is that it was the destruction of this false earth that we did not know much about we were all clumped we were all not given the truth of what the ancients were saying so people now have to go look for it its great in business out because its being shown the way it is to get it but there is still going to be that ultimate you know jumping off the cliff of the old world in the old understandings and these old Belief Systems that have been embedded in holding us back from the truth sounds so im wondering what youre thinking because your face looks a little skeptical i want to. Be skeptical and i did i want to 1st of all that does what if i could because i want to share with you what else is a little bit skeptical before you a and so this is a a you to comment we just got from wrist wind that he says confuse humans are miserable and they just want to feel happy and pay for it thats all. I think ok so that in between the dire cynicism and maybe even pessimism of that statement compared to davids enthusiasm i think that might be closer to a truth my thought on this is that weve seen this before in terms of the enthusiasm related to astrology life magazine about 20 years ago had its one of its main stories about astrology rising so weve been here somewhat before now of course its to a large scale because 20 years ago we didnt have the worldwide web so i think theres going to be a proliferation and it grows but each cycle has that comparably in terms of the excitement and interest in astrology and ive been anticipating this particular generation for about 10 years because youre in this once i knew that you were in this was going to go into into aries and then into tourist i anticipated the growth of the euros and sasha generation what does that mean thats a particular group of people born between 1081 in 1988 and so i disappeared at that they would have a stronger interest in astrology so ive been waiting for them and they have a disappointed me i love it waiting for them a millennial for. Me its been interesting to see where they are let me go. Well from 81 sort of they all their manuals but weve been very interested in how also use platforms of being we imagining what astrology looks likes e. C. These amazing illustrations using social media more creatively subject even beyond even making this stuff i guess accessible in as accessible as or digital platforms as you might conceive any other Lifestyle Content and making it very sort of if if if its an ancient practice repositioning it i guess in a sort of a useful language that is understandable today scripts yeah theres already that this isnt setting its head up. Because i had a 1st time that you know astrology is had a moment like this child has had many many moments over thousands of years there have been times that society is in place the moments where it was really in favor and then it falls out of favor again especially in the western world and in india its pretty much stayed in favor and stayed with it in its entirety but this is one moment this is one little peek in many and so its not shocking that it came back in favor again given how things proliferate on the internet but it also wont be shocking when it falls out of favor again which im sure that it will i dont know if it will in our lifetime or not but this is the way in which many human over many many times periods have related. I want to share this for flexion from marie on twitter she says this is a fun coping mechanism for her i credit for helping me keep my head above the water during one of the hardest times of my life i wish people showed more compassion when Nancy Reagan Former 1st lady used it to cope with the assassination attempt on her husband they were unfair and they were judgment and she goes on to say i found a tumblr blog that focused on the strategy and i found it fascinating and i wasnt using it for predictions for to figure out what life lesson im supposed to learn from the difficult experience most people who believe in astrology also believe in free will by the way so this is sam ill direct this one to you because this idea of using it for these hard moments in life have there been moments where you talk to people and thats exactly why theyve turned to astrology right to understand kind of the significance of a moment of a relationship you know i just had a client a few weeks ago contacted me but willing to understand what was happening or what happened to the relationship and how to move forward and in terms of talking about moving forward it was in so much that the stars have decreed this is your way forward there its more slowly going to you know a few years some. Ideas heres some ways in which to think about these planetary significations in order to kind of find a path so i always say that you know people always concerned about faith i say faith has 2 arms and one of them is your own in astrology teaches you how to work that other arm. Well id like to say to the point that i dont think that this is just another rise of astrology and that it will fall again if you take voyager one voyager 2 which are 2 probes sent by nasa in the late seventys which reached in 2012 voyager one what we call the helio pause this is an area between the helio spear we are in a bubble in our solar system human consciousness has reached the edge of our solar system it is at this helio pause entering into interstellar space for the 1st time as consciousness as we know voyager 2 reached it 2018 no irony here the peak of 2012 of astrology the really extreme peak here in 2018 in the media im able to go on television now or were able to do this without being castrated look at i love the comment from the person who put up about nancy reagan with John Quigley John Quigley was an astrologer and i actually did plan out things for Ronald Reagan and it was looked at as horrible in the media now today i can go on steve harvey i can go on all these amazing Television Shows and people are willing to hear it and listen this is not normal this is not just a normal rise this is the real deal and not no no no no why not normal for what time frame that youre talking about modern culture im talking about. This stretch of. Astrological history and im saying that there are times when astrology has been central to civilization this is maybe the beginning of another reoccurrence of that and we are not trying to say that its not a maybe yes but there have been other moments too like sidney omar was like very close with Regis Philbin you know and and coming on his show in. In talking about astrology so theres been times related to the areas saying where people have been excited im not saying that this is this may not have some unique aspects to rain but looking at it in this very cosmic sense that this is going to be like a whole different aspect of consciousness and yet im skeptical ok so well see so im going to pause that part of the conversation just a little bit because i want to show you this and ask if this is the peak perhaps so this is a headline from box according to amazons new horoscopes the stars want you to go shopping prime members get monthly horoscope readings here but this is a sense to spend more money on amazon products and this is what it actually looks like heres that site prime member horoscope this one is for march lucy i want to direct this one to you because healing if that is what you use astrology for shouldnt exclusively belong to the elite but does it. Right its sort of making well being parts is i guess a bit more accessible and also normalized so i actually think this is quite a radical move for resale or lets remind ourselves a mainstream retailer like amazon to use astrology is a way to funnel and stimulate commerce when you think its just not any sort of highly p. C. P. R. Worthy novel but but actually when you think about the growing audience isnt regard for astrology both for self reflection but also for understanding your day to day activities there is a rationale behind it driving into commerce whether you know you need to look after yourself this week lets practice ok we have these following items or you know just shown that you need to feel more confident parities fight 5 books this kind of its quite a novel way to an accessible way for people to sort of talk about astrology and we see that in the bigger trend as in becoming more normalized and sort of regard for it becoming much more normalized rather than a sort of rarefied fringe subject and that part of that normalization are the explosion of absolute really does go to your phone and yet some of that one on one time that previously may not have before we have this week here from someone who may be not convinced that the absent are the way to go he says im a libra but i dont think it works another person writes in this is pseudo science so what would you say to them are you talking about x. Or astrology in general and sell it in general is what i think these commenters are talking about but id love for you to take they say the right of now its accessible in everyones hands its on everyones phones. I want people to find the healing systems that work for that i dont care if its at astrology or not i know that astrology is having a moment we were here before astrology was proper and will be here after astrology has fallen out of save her again and i just mean like astrologers in general were connected to something that is deep and its a rooted in it it entire system of knowledge and you dont become an astrologer at least not when i was coming up you know become an astrologer to make money you became astrologer became an astrologer because it was a language that spoke to you and you couldnt i couldnt really do anything out that was like the thing i was supposed to do and so again if its not your language if you think its a pseudoscience if you think it you know not doesnt have any value to it great move on i just really want people to find things that help them process the real challenges of being human being and this in this day and age and always and the problem is of course you know were all inside of a capitalist system that loves to take advantage of whatevers popular and strip it asked and then a lot of meaning and sell it at you know in mass ways and thats going to happen inside of the seat and this time so i know it was. Her and i just want it i mean church and turning up being a very charitable thing think that just charitable the sense that that doesnt matter of me but charitable in the sense that. Shes being open to narrow it and challenge those people back and say that weve talked a lot about meaning and people who are really into trying to double stroller g. And a pseudoscientific and all of that heres my might might get back to you my kick back is like you know human life is more about meaning theres no reason why weve chosen to call today monday and you wake up and know. Men and all congregated at a particular time theres no empirical reason why we use a sex adjustable 60 minutes system is only a pyrrhic a reason for like how were all drawn toward amazon in a particular way i mean we havent figured out all those things out but what we do know is that the brain is hard wired for meaning story creation and thats what we have we have this beautiful art which is the collaboration between mass and radius perhaps what astrology is and so i will talk about ive got a weve got a product im going to posit there i hear what youre saying there but i want to answer this question before we run out of time this is a tweet who says can anyone throw light on your 2019 im going to style it just point of view so jenny based on your research and your readings give us a forecast for the next few days so if we want means astrology to make meaning in our life what we can do is work with the new and each human is like a new beginning it is the new beginning of a lunar cycle and theres a mirror next saturday and so on the way to it we can think about what were wanting to let go of a release or just reset our intention to end on the day of it and then Going Forward we can work towards remembering and manifesting and bringing into being that manifestation as it grows of the light of thanks so much sending levels right in time for it savor thanks to all of our guests David Palmer Sam Reynolds and lucy green for joining me. 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