A dire warning about the state of our planet our oceans a hotter than theyve ever been and that spells trouble for us all with more floods droughts and fears of storms as well as a greater loss of marine life the alarm bells are ringing in the wild the biggest polluters listening this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program dennis that were becoming quite used to getting bad news on Climate Change the latest warning oceans a warming and that will mean fast sea temperatures last year with the highest on record have been going up every year for the past decade the sea absorbs small the 90 percent of the woman gases that come from burning fossil fuels Scientists Say the extra heat produced is equal to every one of us running 100 microwave ovens all day will missys need more intense storms droughts floods and wildfires like the use burning in australia right down. Well despite all of these alarms about the Climate Crisis were releasing more Greenhouse Gases than ever the uns Weather Agency last year recorded the highest level of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere. Illinois. Writes lets introduce our panel now we have an tomo sin in doha hes an assistant professor of Northwestern University here in katter who researches energy and the environment in hamburg in germany we have a hiker festa shes director of marine programs at the World Wildlife fund and in london we have. Whos an Energy Economists and c. E. O. Of meyer resources welcome to you all 1st let me come to you though hiker because the temperature of the oceans is as i understand it a much more accurate measure of the Climate Crisis that were going through at the moment. Yes thats because the surface of the ocean catches most of the heat which is trapped by the increased Greenhouse Gases and this has to have include the Global Weather and climate patterns and could there be any other explanation for the rising temperatures in our oceans other than human activity in the release of Greenhouse Gas emissions what we have or what we what we observed in the past us that we have regular upcoming warming you whens in the ocean which is cold and then you and i am pretty sure that most of the people have heard about that but the frequency or the increase in temperature which are measured right now and which the data which were published are indicating that this changed a lot due and this is really related to the increase in Greenhouse Gas emissions and its manmade right and that weve already mentioned some of the calamities that are likely to befall a sigh the Severe Weather patterns and the disruption to the established seasons and whatnot is there anything good that can result from warmer ocean temperatures. Well i need to think about watergate and we some good in it not well what we know is that we would what we will face is a shift in patterns for example if stocks so they might change their their migration routes so we will have guest in the norse the warmer water like for example but if this is good for economy or people thats what i would doubt because this fish is coming from somewhere and its its will be missed in that area us right coming to you now here in doha now youre from indonesia you research these these matters indonesia is a country as we know the start of the year was was afflicted by terrible flooding wasnt it and yet indonesia is still cited by some scientists is being perhaps the 5th largest emitter of Greenhouse Gases maybe the 11th but its still a heavy emitter of Greenhouse Gases largely as a result of a shift in land use is i believe yes thats true and in asia. Receive a lot of money of rain. On the 1st day of this new year in Capital Cities or carter. Was flooded as a result of that but thats not just because of Climate Change there are a number of other factors that contributed to the flooding but. The statistics that you mention indonesia being one of the top largest emitters of Carbon Dioxide. Come not only from factories cars. Other Carbon Dioxide typical Carbon Dioxide emitters of the country in an easier has been. Losing a lot of its forests forests as oceans as carbon sinks well so so sorry and theyre not losing them theyre being cut down right. Correct yes theyre being cut down there being a shifted. And made into Palm Oil Plantations in many places in the country right and yet in indonesia an official policy is a voluntary reduction to reduce its emissions by 26 percent by this year 2020 hows it doing on that how how far how much progress is it making on that it that number i think was an earlier commitment in 2015 the country revise its commitment it will try to reduce carbon it mysen by 29 percent. By 2030 on its own in 41 percent and using International Collaboration i mean. If we look at the entire. Country. As far as efforts to reduce that Climate Change there needs to be more efforts i mean there is the there are still there have been some. Concrete. Results that happen on the ground and for that i mean for example in jakarta in an effort to reduce car carbon use there is a Public Transportation but again. A lot of indonesias forests have been cut down for a timber and Palm Oil Plantation that still needs to be address right and coming to you cornelia in london its amazing to many people around the world the fact that weve identified these calamities befalling so many different parts of the world many of those calamities are being attributed to climb the Climate Crisis and yet our emissions are going up they were recorded last year is being at its highest ever and the biggest culprits all those is at most developed nations why is that. Well i its not just those most developed nations china is also a big culprit as is india and i would say what you are if you have a global problem and nothing is a more global problem than climate you need Global Solutions the so it the United Nations for framework conference on Climate Change un f c c c which holds the cop conferences is really a it would be a good mechanism but what happened is we saw that in 2018. Donald trump said he would be leaving the Paris Agreement the paris accord on Climate Change which came from cop 21. 00 and we saw that with with with the latest cop in the madrid that without a largest economy on board it was really hard to come to conclusions and this global problem needs a Global Solution and one of the things thats really really important is that we have say that weve we have a global price for carbon youre for Carbon Trading because nothing works especially with industry better than if you have it then you if you gift them the financial incentives but wasnt paris or wasnt paris meant to be the start of a Global Solution there was so much jubilation wasnt there the time in 2015 you remember it well that was supposed to be the start of something really significant yet it was a start of something with it gave it any gave me took the u. S. It took the Obama Administration to really really you know sort of controlled people to get it to get there once you have the biggest economy out it is really really hard to find to find other economies to find to find that consensus what you seen out a stat on them that on the investment side you see more and more did this sort of the e. S. G. D. Environmental and. Governance investment stream is the Fastest Growing investment stream you also seem. Sure and companies especially reinsure are saying ok we will not we will not support certain things anymore like coal but uniquely and swiss re have said we wont do that anymore and thats a double whammy because they have Huge Investment portfolios plus once you cant insure something anymore its getting much harder to to to to to be active in that right hike a can you see a solution to the problem as cornelia points out china is actually officially the biggest emitter most of that Something Like 75 percent of those emissions coming from coal the burning of coal can you understand chinas argument china saying theres a Global Economic slowdown it needs to stimulate its economy so it needs to go full steam ahead no matter what that is the Main Objective for the chinese is really to get their economy going again therefore theyre burning more coal well see im coming from an oceans perse back to fall on the issue so and if you and if you look on what Climate Change and warming of oceans mean to Ocean Ecosystems so its hard to understand why politicians dont arc cost and at this necessary all coastal habitats like one who horus seagrass bats coral reefs so what they will be harmed by under any emissions scenario which we have it is 1. 00 degrees increase or 2 percent a 2 degree increase so even for coral reefs that me per the or closer look on that one so the predict an is with an increase of 1. 00 the degree of coral reefs will be under threat you might lose 70 to 90 percent of or cones but under a scenario 2 degree increase we will lose 99 percent and thats something so we shouldnt put on risk right coming to you and. As corny. Pointed out china is the biggest emitter but do you understand the perspective coming from developing economies there their contention is that in the west the more developed economies youve had your time youve done your policing give us a chance to catch up and then not terribly pleased with the green fund the richer countries as supposed to be contributing to this fund in order to allow the developing countries to make to make appropriate adapt adaptations in order to fulfil their commitments and parasitical so theres a lot of if you like isnt there with regard to the application of paris well i do i do understand the perspective that you mentioned which is why i think the more developed economies in the richer countries the richer economies should do more but china you mentioned china theres been a lot of. Movement in progress in china itself i dont know if you noticed in generating electricity using more Renewable Energy sources solar panels for example the chinese have been. Receiving or experiencing the impact of Climate Change in particular air pollution is in many of their cities and they want to cleaner air so theyve been doing something about that yet but theyve still given approvals to to 5 times the number of coal mines for the 1st half of this year and as as you point out evolutionism is a massive problem cornelia let me come to you and lets talk a little bit about norway because in many ways no way is it a pitted mises doesnt it this could contradiction that many of the richer countries has one of the richest countries in the world of course and a huge the biggest i think Sovereign Wealth Fund which comes from oil and gas doesnt and yet its a great green innovator. Yes a great green innovator and its the Sovereign Wealth Fund is no longer in allow to invest in oil and gas but that has also thats also for reasons of diversification. And you see a lot of the European Countries you saw the u. K. Coming out saying we want to be c o 2 emissions neutral by 2050 you saw austria coming out and we want the wanting to be the get there by 2040 and we see. The misses as a underlines new green deal where she wants to be wants to have europe as a 1st quire emissions neutral continent by 2050 thats all nice but really again its a global problem it needs a Global Solution and when you come to china again. Your colleague or our colleague from indonesia is absolutely right i mean you know they they are really in terms of research for for we knew it will step theyre doing very well but you can see that they have asked the economy was slowing to have sort of put less money into more expensive sources of energy and gone back to coal that does that drives the wrong behaviors all in all i think what we really need to do a piece of work that needs to be undertaken globally is we need to look at all the sources of a that she for the whole life cycle from you know producing them to decommissioning them and say what is really the environmentalists impact only one 5th on this part piece of work do we really know can we really can the policymakers really make the right really havent we social media have we not passed that stage have we not established the damage the amount of damage that is being done and is is to come in in the future if we continue these existing emission levels that we dont establish that absolutely absolutely we have to. On that but we also need to look what we have not done is looked at that with the various sources of energy what decommissioning is you know decommissioning of solar panels decommissioning of we really need to look at it in order to find the right energy mix we need to do something but we need to do it in an educated way and i think policymakers tend to sort of rush into one thing and then find out its it was the wrong thing so we really need to do that and absolutely we need to do something and we need to use the existing multilateral framework like the un f c c c and you know the cop mechanism to get that done and in that sense we do need the United States back in the fold right im a hiker coming to you i started off the program by mentioning the fact that we get to a plethora of climate warnings on a regular basis is there a danger do you think among the general population of a kind of information overload and people becoming slightly a new good if you like to the to the dangers of climb the Climate Crisis i mean do you think thats a possibility im not sure about that honestly i would say so we cant. We cant. All were over talk about the effects of Climate Change on oceans and on people in general see the poles are male clean but heres our melting so the Sea Level Rises a lot storms increase on the other hand droughts and wildfires increase so people are directly impacted by Climate Change so its not that we talk any longer about something that might happen with the next or the after the next generation is coming so the predictions are her 2015 already that millions of people will be impacted by the Sea Level Rise fish stocks are shifting so people lose in and so we lose. Enormous important habitats to protect our coastline so that we really think all those people who stay in the regions facing such horror scenarios for their lives so will be coming worse so if you dont act and what we urgently need to do is to cut down emissions right. Coming from indonesia youll really relate to that when she because i mean jakarta is sinking we understand and in fact theres this to be a new capital for indonesia indonesian people on the whole do they accept the issue of climate the Climate Crisis or do they attribute some of these extreme weather events that theyve had to endure do they attribute those to to other things to any sort of any other kinds of causes or factors they attributed to other causes as well one of them is the poor Water Management and infrastructure in the city but on average there were of a Climate Change i think just like many many people in the world today but what are fallen for. In my experience teaching professor i teach this issues in my classes even the. Rich person an average student is aware of this Biggest Issue that we are facing right now. Many dont necessarily know in details some of the impacts that we already experiencing for example island nations in the pacific for example seeing a Sea Level Rise or for that matter. They feel that they could not do anything on the individual level to help address this issue so i agree with cornelia that this is a global issue and its a Global Solution but we cannot i think just rely on Multilateral International solutions i think regionally blocks such as the European Union say on in Southeast Asia where we have g. C. C. Here but thats not quite functioning right now unfortunately need to also do address this issue also at the National Level communal level and individual level and many think that you know as an individual you know we cant really do much but i would disagree with that and again its and to get on to give me an example then of how of how you live how its changed your habits and your family. Yeah for example i mean ive been trying to use more of Public Transportation in cities ive lived in the past ive lived in new york city ive lived in singapore they have great Public Transportation system instead of using cars for example here in doha you know the harm that there is just open. Learning of the 3 lines that we have thats what i teach this issue in my classes to make more students aware of this issue and i keep being updated with the. With the news and. Proposed solutions of this Climate Change one that i would like to mention for example or i but make it quick please and running out of time sure is an article by Bill Mckibben his climate activist author. And cofounder of the tree 50. 00 or can move men he recently wrote an article in the new yorker saying basically that you know maybe individually we can choose which banks we want to bank with because some rocks are underwriting her because Companies Get the idea thanks for that and hi kay and how does how does this whole crisis impact you and your family as as individuals i mean how does it shape your lives when i do have to run and what is the teenagers so shes very much engaged in kind of her future for example and being an environmentalist on my working life so i thought that we that i already try to do a lot which is challenging us a real day and this is really good to say so we change for example how we eat so like me and milk production decreasing part of our nutrition so. You can do every individual has to change its behavior so we all have to contribute even if the solution lies on a global level but if we dont start over serves how do we think how long should we wait until question until police are not right and loss where to you cornelia i wont ask you if youve given up meat but well all skew whether it is within our lifetime that we will see an end or a significant reduction of our alliance upon fossil fuels you think 2820502060. I think we will see it we will see it we will see a we will not in ent to fossil fuel soon oil demand a still growing by according to d. I. M. A. Want point 2000000 barrels a day and its going to go on but i think we will see these fuel speaking more efficiently ust we will see we will see we will see we will try to reduce them where ever we can and i and you know again you know public transport just good its getting away from that consumerism when you look at the our forefathers they didnt eat as much meat as we are eating they didnt buy as many clothes fast fashion by the way fast fashion you nor did that but the 8 was the sorry ass emit trust us much c o 2 us all air travel combined so you know we if we need to sort of look at our consumption packed the pattons a throughout the boy at thats right because otherwise this is also Climate Changes also a Security Risk when a 100 did their reports as a 150000000 people will lose stare home spa a will the astaire hopes by am by 25th yes think it will be more if you have these refugees stream stows our Security Risk here as think we would be well advised to to look at how how we live our lives or ite perfect note a wish to end thank you very much indeed and to mosin in doha or hike affair spot in hamburg and cool nearly a mile in london thank you very much indeed its and as ever thank you for washing the program if youd like to see it again you can go to the website aljazeera dot com if you want some or discussion as i suspect you might theres our Facebook Page facebook dot com forward slash a. 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