Lesia mourns the latest victims of what the u. N. Calls unprecedented violence in the sun held in june france with almost 5000. 00 troops there is meeting regional leaders to decide what to do next as the military campaign failed and could the conflict spread further in west africa this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program im melting dennis and all the 4000 west africans killed in just 12 months the United Nations says last year was the worst yet in the fight against armed groups in the sile the u. N. Says its an ump ressa dented rise in terrorist file and fronts and 5 regional countries have files ins of troops fighting groups some of whom a link to eisele and al qaeda but anger against the operation and against france is growing now president micro is hosting a summit to discuss whether french soldiers should stay Natasha Butler reports from paris. In december the bodies of 71 soldiers from the asia nates a military base in the capital niamey a grim reflection of growing violence in asylum they were killed in an attack claimed by i saw in the west of the country this is i decided to come myself to give my nations gratitude inconsolable but not all defeated to these men plucked from the affection of the loved ones in the prime of life for what they are to us our heroes our martyrs the french president emanuel micro visited me shared to pay his respects just 3 weeks earlier in paris microland led a memorial for 13 francs. Soldiers killed in a Helicopter Crash in mali more than 4000. 00 french troops are fighting armed groups in the sile alongside forces from the share bikini faso chad mauritania and mali the g. 5 countries but is the casualties mount so his hostility against former colonial power france on the should not be possibility i notice and too many countries an anti french sentiment is no prospering without any clear political condemnation i cannot accept sending our soldiers into the field in countries where our presence is not clearly requested the deployment is not only being questioned in the region though but also here in france where the mission is poorly understood by the public and there is growing pressure on michael to justify frances involvement so this is ultimately a path for 6 years with about Cannes France has been in the saddle and it seems were the Tipping Point there are no real results people in sile are positive about the situation the threat hasnt been eradicated so the g 5 saw how countries are asking themselves if france is really the only country that has solutions maybe other countries can help people wonder if its time to stop increasing a French Military presence it is costly to africans and france mike ross says if french troops are to continue fighting in sile he wants a greater commitment from g 5 leaders hes expected to achieve that for now but whats less clear is for how long natasha aljazeera paris. Right lets introduce our panel now in paris we have emmanuelle do poorly he is president of the institute of european perspective and security in dhaka the senegalese capital Hana Armstrong is Senior Consulting sadil analyst at the International Crisis group and in dunstable just outside of london in the United Kingdom we have Emmanuel Chrissie adding. Hes the director of research and a professor of Security Studies at the coffee and an International PeacekeepingTraining Center and welcome to you all so president macro a manual in paris president mccraw has summoned the g. 5 leaders what he wants from them is a ringing endorsement of French Military intervention in the region but clearly its failed what do you think hes going to get from the g 5 leaders of a force is asking for a clear commitment or clear a commitment of the french involvement in that region its a very long involvement the 1st troops on the the operations of i was sent in january 2013 so 7 years from now theres been a huge amount of fun troops which have been located for the fight against the insurgency both in by the and now in of wider region of the hill and those a deficiency or redefinition of the function a military capacity that is the 1st reason why the summit has been asked and is taking place in full white both of course we all have in mind that during the last visit for accidents with father like the 13 of us so just 7 came from where when you say and when you say therefore sorry to it sorry to interrupt on simple emmanuelle but when you say that there is a different perspective there are different conditions right now isnt it clear that French Military intervention basically has failed and a new a completely new approach needs to be adopted for the armrests in the hell region. I would not say that the frontal creationists failed 1st of all the french the 1st punch operations suffered a mission which had the purpose to stop the. Terrorist groups linked to the suspicion is tried group perfectly managed to prevail and to prevent the dislocation of money that was in generally 2013 the city of gold to secure fumble through the city for a few dollars were liberated literally liberated from both perspectives about what has failed or what is the under pressure of what is in discussion in the evolution the mutation of the threats that no longer burdens the money but of course is the what is open to a Wider Perspective in an area which is huge we have a tendency to compare it to the size of your 5 or 6 times the size of europe therefore not if its an Impossible Task for only 4500. 00 central goes to overcome alone its perspective all right is i think one of the might still which were discussed in full the 2nd perspective just in one place is again saying that we could not be alone on the pacific and this is why we have invited our european friends to be more directive on that respect all right coming to hana in dhaka crisis group field in a station you work for is well named known for advocating a much more nuanced approach and i think your organization is rather critical of this rather overly militaristic approach to the to the volatility in this particular region do you agree therefore with a man well that if france is struggling on its own militarily that the other European Countries should pile in as well i think emanuel is right in the sense that the french intervention has achieved its objective. And so it would be bob stated that theres been a failure at that stage and have. The spread of. Areas that so you had as news mentor this kind of. It was merely an argument. Then spread out at the center of an abstract spread order reached by shared. Appreciation injures and another attack. In the past month it was deemed to be that fast so what we see is the limits of the military and its not only not this this problem that seems to be directly answered in stating it can get bigger regions so our position is that there really needs to eat a political strategy and that the military approach to try to find these groups that it is groups is really serious labeling right now because there is a. Political strategy towards elite the right to cancel out their group because such as they are several going to its i dont know grievances that some of these or were going to be nice have we the state all right lets come back to that in a little while coming to you emanuel crissy in dumps dunstable unprecedented is the level of violence of last year 21000 in the region and in fact the special representative of the u. N. For the region is alarmed at the possible spread of this conflict further into west africa along the coast i know that you are gunny in for instance is this something that you recognize as being a concern to the gun and Political Class at the moment martin this spreading crisis is a cause. For the cool stuff. Im in print tonight snorts im president we saw the attacks in there but not if i thought. We are seeing the extremists be a more daring exploits in mining and the revenues that terrorize their offer. To fund the activities and we also experience in the spirit of mystic relationships and partnerships that puts the states on that in and and the immense pressure and im thinking in particular of those countries that have only recently emerged from civil war like sierra leone like liberia they must be particularly vulnerable to any of the spreading of this kind of conflict but i mean there were bullets experienced by quite a number of the costars. Did me liberia salute as you mentioned is that its not just about the violent extremists themselves who are coming in these countries are experiencing new forms of infiltration people who seem to be bringing trid micro credits so share with us so what the suffering really is that we are seeing that spreads and then in food trish of communities in your mom about the bar lets actually just place that it will spread very quickly this puts the quote star governments and that meant stress and coming back to emanuel in paris a given i mean you described it as a mutating as a me tating conflict what therefore should the response speed you suggested the president wants his European Partners to to support the effort but as one i was saying it probably requires a lot more than just a military stick response. Well i didnt say that the military response was the only response i said that we have to start with the beginning which is to eradicate the terrorist group which is which are in reality both lead to al qaeda and both the 2 islamic states more precisely the is that its not mixtape that if her but of course it takes more than that if it takes a global approach its the if it takes of course and it think to the capacity of the of the states which are under pressure to undertake. Vital perspective a vital responsibility security for the citizens not only to focus on the center but also to take in consideration the proof area the boarding countries the boarding the of the border to control the borders and of course this is where maybe we should put more emphasis so a global approach which of course would big in the. Development of the capability of france is not only present when it comes to military activity at the same time as the g 7 g 5 was of building a bit difficult with difficulty its a joint force in july of 2017 we decided to launch these islands are gathering more than 10000000000 of you getting more than 10000000000 of euros from 818 countries not only europe the last country to join our japan and cannot and canada so of course we do have the impression that its of course a global and joint efforts both from the International Community and this is why are asking for more sort of diety from our europe again imagine not only imagine i dont nations must be implicated i cant write or i on your which yet it is in full given give me an idea then you said that 8000000000 euros has been raised how is that 8000000000 euros going to be spent on this particular problem asari 11 how is it going to be spent well very very precisely later precisely. The size of the question is gathering 800. 00 more or less 800. 00 projects 1st of all in agriculture to take in consideration the fact that all of the states are bowden by the immense amount of money that they are spending for defense the average of defense spending of the of the country is that 20 percent of the g. D. P. That must change so more money for d the essential roots to build strategy and to build governance education and agriculture so through all of these are local or. Bottom up projects when it comes to agricultural education or for those social and and and projects more precisely bring rebring water and bring in the cup a city for the population not to move the country which is under huge pressure is because a fossil more than 500000. 00 people have fled from the house on taking some situation thats a big part of the totally 20 percent 20 or 25 percent of the total is no longer on the authority of the state right and can assume and really give that up a city for the state to reassume its governance and its deputy to deliver and of course this is something that france and of apartments would be focusing on the next week right ok coming to you had that something presumably youre going to really approve of 11000000000 euro is being spent on gross streets. Projects which are going to help basically provide the services that are pretty much absent because governance quite often is absence in many of these regions what about the issue of dialogue what about the issue of building the capacity of government i mean is it too simplistic to say flood the area with aid you know i am going to get i dont really im not doing these guys think about what im going to lead to hit us or go to do it in the current context. I think that what a lot of actors are hoping to see from the positive it is not a commitment to the same principles of the character is and elegant. But a substantial turner its tragic and it kind of clarification the same way that the president back office as a leader is a character there as the facts involved and i think we need a clarification of the little strategies are going to get us out of this conflict. As the reality of developed and some of these areas after receiving the state and she knows about it once you get into that. Its you know the areas that are that are most of concern right out there you see the process of as you say in order to begin to see her really builds relationships and some of these unsung particularly some. Where there are a lot of obstacles that taking place so i think that its while its good there are parents who believe the best and reagents and. Can commit considerable sentenced child solves this conflict between whites and the state theyre going to have to look and act and unless unless and until there is a real serious political strategy there right that really and open a way to get a law into effect states how are you steves and the south and his relations are planning on dealing with these areas for your typists stranger who have you know what. Really is often been very vocal grievances so a lot of that these groups are becoming bigger and stronger because if you can possibly be able to excell grievances that have. Guessed right and those are the those are the issues that we really need to and rattle and slow that happens putting more money and this is why. Right question i mean i think what weve identified is the fact that theres a toxic combination if you like of of local grievances some of them a long held david generations into communal tensions if you like and also a lack of governance do you get a sense that other countries particularly along the west african coast are taking note of this and in fact preparing if you like to bolster themselves to prevent the spread of this conflict well i think theres a general conversation amount. Of the need to bolster themselves but let me make this point the process to both from themselves military really build the resilience communities and sharing the social welfare groups are distributed making people loyal to this states its institutions and mechanisms will be a law. Process if we take the military side over the past 20 or 30 years or so most states have not provided the our militaries with more than one percent of g. D. P. In terms of training logistics and. Their capacities to respond to me that has the development of these states Water Education jobs housing be in step with whats in the demographic expansion so you would notice that part of the frustration that you are talking about long standing and bedad grievances and most things that happened the last decade or so right problems that are. Transformed and are not been embellished idea of threats and huge challenges so. So the roof problems facing not just the cost are still or theres an entire 20000000. 00 of these challenges the cost and then civilian states the problem that the f. E. C. Massive and i think that it will need not just domestically. Terms but certainly a Critical Role by our interest our partners right emmanuel in paris how committed is president marc or do you think to this military presence in the region he seemed to be a little bit upset little bit irked by what were open been open demonstrations of anti french sentiment and in fact hes hes chided the g 5 leaders for allowing it to not having a a more public. A more public display of support for the French Initiative how committed do you think president merkel is to keeping troops in the region. Well because of my core as i was convened of the 5 African Leaders precisely for that for a clear commitment of whether or not they want to the front for the state. Convention or with the with my colleagues that the question is not only about military but its about a long lasting presence we have been a pleasant military on a console for since the end of that and dependence that doesnt but does not mean that we have to replace the army were not here for that we were called to try to save what we thought was an urgency to intervene in january precisely 9 deny the to the 19th of january but we didnt want it to stay long we are burdened by that it costs a lot of money the Public Awareness about the legitimacy of the intervention is into the gated and this is why because in my core ive opened the door to any perspective whether we should stay or whether we should go everything is on the table right as a michael has made very clear that he is a bit worried by 2 factors one of the very rapid the ongoing bashing french bashing its not only inside it its all of the african continent and the concurrency of because when people are calling for the end of the french meet you present that calling in for a new actors to come in this i see russia and china and this is a matter for the patient as well for the fund for the dr thats a big a geo political conversation isnt that we havent got much time but i really would like to get your views on this point quite often the terms used to describe the various armed groups in the region are is in the midst jihad against what does that mean what are the aims and objectives of most of these armed groups. You know having it is very misleading to look at these are terms of. Their sort of mantle that they are. Which is you know now that omits. When you his colleagues are history the most recent good ration of conflicts that have been pretty well cashed out in these countries so you know that its true youre its very very positive. And terrorists are jihad it is last. Year it is that which there are other forms of relationships and opposition that are there to this and nothing to do with religion or ideology theres theres a lot of common man and resources rights and ultimately sort of a rather that. There is a religious interest now in some cases its quite sincere and i think that it made it easier to break and have fighters theres a lot of artists and in terms of how they define themselves and we should say i like that given how it started how do you troops are at the moment on the ground its very tempting for places to go just Different Things to ally themselves and. And this is yet another reason why if there really needs to be uniforms or what i have up and believe me its maybe this question of terrorism and counterterrorism and it looks much more closely d at the problem little political ends there are they. Right ok weve run out of time thank you all very much indeed emanuel of the pulley in paris. In the Senate Colleagues capital dhaka and Emmanuel Kwesi adding talking to us to dunce from dunstable just outside of london thank you all very much indeed for a very interesting conversation and thank you as ever for watching the program remember you can see it any time you like by going to the website aljazeera dot com if you want more discussion as i said. But you may you can go to our Facebook Page facebook dot com for a slash a. J. Inside story and theres always a choice as fair a handle is at a. J. Inside story im dennis so for me and the whole team here in doha as i finish. 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