Najam mourns the latest victims of what the u. N. Calls unprecedented violence in the south held in france with only 5000. 00 troops there is meeting regional leaders to decide what to do next as the military campaign failed and cook the conflict spread further in west africa this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program im melting dennis and all the 4000 west africans killed in just 12 months the United Nations says last year was the worst yet in the fight against armed groups in the sile the u. N. Says its a number precedented rise in terrorist file and france and 5 regional countries have files ins of troops fighting groups some of whom a link to eisele and al qaeda but anger against the operation and against france is growing now president micro is hosting a summit to discuss whether french soldiers should stay Natasha Butler reports from paris. In december the bodies of 71 soldiers from the asia nates a military base in the capital niamey a grim reflection of growing violence in asylum they were killed in an attack claimed by i saw in the west of the country this is i decided to come myself to give my nations gratitude inconsolable but not all defeated to these men plucked from the affection of the loved ones in the prime of life for what they are to us our heroes our martyrs the french president emanuel micro visited me shared to pay his respects just 3 weeks earlier in paris mccord led a memorial for 13 francs. Soldiers killed in a Helicopter Crash in mali more than 4000. 00 french troops are fighting armed groups in the sile alongside forces from the share bikini faso chad mauritania and mali the g. 5 countries that is the casualties mount so his hostility against former colonial power france on the shin on toward the hospital i notice and to many countries an anti french sentiment is no prospering without any clear political condemnation i cannot accept sending our soldiers into the field in countries where our presence is not clearly requested it. The deployment isnt only being questioned in the region though but also here in france where the mission is poorly understood by the public and theres growing pressure on michael to justify frances involvement the pieces of the filibuster for 6 years with opera about Cannes France has been in the saddle and it seems were the Tipping Point there are no real results people in sile are positive about the situation the threat hasnt been eradicated so the g 5 saw how countries are asking themselves if france is really the only country that has solutions maybe other countries can help people wonder if its time to stop increasing a French Military presence it is costly to africans and france mike ross says if french troops are to continue fighting in syal he wants a greater commitment from g 5 leaders hes expected to achieve that for now but whats less clear is for how long natasha aljazeera paris. Right lets introduce our panel now in paris we have emmanuelle do poorly he is president of the institute of european perspective and security in dhaka the senegalese capital Hana Armstrong is Senior Consulting sadil analyst at the International Crisis group and in dunstable just outside of london in the United Kingdom we have emmanuel cressy adding hes the director of research and a professor of Security Studies at the coffee an International PeacekeepingTraining Center and welcome to you all so president macro emmanuelle in paris president mccraw has summoned the g. 5 leaders what he wants from them is a ringing endorsement of French Military intervention in the region but clearly its failed what do you think hes going to get from the g 5 leaders. Well the force is asking for a clear commitment or clear a commitment of the french involvement in that region its a very long involvement the 1st troops on the the operations of our was sent in january 2013 so 7 years from now theres been a huge amount of fun troops which have been located for the fight against the insurgency both in money and now in a wider region of the head and those a deficiency or read to finish and of the function a miniature capacity that is the 1st reason why the summit has been asked and is taking place in full white both of course we all have in mind that during the last that 4 accidents with both the like the 13 of us so just 7 came from. When you say and when you say the full story tonight sorry to interrupt wrong symbol emmanuelle but when you say that there is a different perspective there are different conditions right now isnt it clear that French Military intervention basically has failed and a new a completely new approach needs to be adopted for the armrests in the hell region. I would not say that the frontal creationists failed 1st of all the french the 1st punch operations suffered a mission which had the purpose to stop the. Terrorist groups linked to the suspicion is tried group perfectly managed to prevail and to prevent the dislocation of money that was in general 2013 the city of gold to secure fumble through the city for a few dollars were liberated literally liberated from that perspective about what has failed or what is the on the pressure of what is in discussion is the evolution the mutation of the threats that no longer burdens the money but of course is the what is open to a Wider Perspective in an area which is huge we have a tendency to compare it to the size of your 5 or 6 times the size of europe therefore not if its an Impossible Task for only 4500. 00 central goes to overcome alone this perspective all right is i think one of the might still of which were discussed in full the subject of 2nd perspective just in one place is again saying that we could not be alone on the pacific and this is why we have invited our european friends to be more direct of on that suspect all right coming to hana in dhaka crisis group field in a station you work for is well named known for advocating a much more nuanced approach and i think your organization is rather critical of this rather overly militaristic approach to the to the volatility in this particular region do you agree therefore with a man well that if france is struggling on its own militarily that the other European Countries should pile in as well i think in many ways the sense that the french intervention has achieved its objective. And so it would be bob stated that theres been a failure at that stage and arab. The spread. To areas that so you had as news minister at this kind of history it was merely an argument. Then spread out at the center of an abstract spread order reached by shared service. Appears to be a soldier is another attack. In the past month as it was deemed to be done fast so what were seeing is the limits of the military and its not enough to take this this problem its easy to translate it into something it can get bigger regions so our position is that there really needs to eat a political strategy and that the military approach to trying to find these groups that it is groups is really serious labeling right now because there is. A little scratch towards the elite right they can start their group and cause such as they are several going to its i dont know grievances that some of these or were going to be going to see how we dissipate all right lets come back to that in a little while coming to you Emmanuel Chrissy in dumps dunstable unprecedented is the level of violence of last year 29000 in the region and in fact the special representative of the u. N. For the region is alarmed at the possible spread of this conflict further into west africa along the coast i know that you are gunning and for instance is this something that you recognize as being a concern to the gun and Political Class at the moment martin this spreading crisis is a cause. For the cool stuff. I mean print tonights norths unprecedented we saw the attacks and the need to not if i thought. We are seeing the extremists be a more daring exploits in mining and their revenues that terrorize their offer. To fund the activities and we also experience in the spirit of mystic relationships and partnerships that puts the states on that in and and the immense pressure and im thinking in particular of those countries that have only recently emerged from civil war like sierra leone like liberia they must be particularly vulnerable to any of the spreading of this kind of conflict but i mean there were bullets experienced by quite a number of the costars. Did me liberia salute as you mentioned is that its not just about the violent extremists themselves who are coming in this country say experiencing new forms of infiltration people who seem to be bringing trade my crew credits social work to us so what the suffering really is that we are seeing that spreads and then in food trish of communities in your mom about the violence actually just the place that it will spread very quickly its the quote star governments and that meant stress and coming back to emanuel in paris a given i mean you described it as a mutating as a me tasting conflict what therefore should the response be you suggested the president wants his European Partners to to support the effort but as one it was saying it probably requires a lot more than just a military stick response. Well i didnt say that the military response was the only response i said that we have to start with the beginning which is to eradicate the terrorist group which it which are in reality both lead to al qaeda and both the 2 islamic states more precisely the is that its not mixtape that harra but of course it takes more than that it takes a global approach its the if it takes of course and it think to the capacity of the of the states which are under pressure to undertake the vital perspective a vital responsibility security for the citizens not only to focus on the sense of but also to take income situation to pretty free up the boarding countries the boarding the of the border to control the borders and of course this is where maybe we should put more emphasis so a global approach which of course would big in the. Development of the capability of france is not only present when it comes to military activity at the same time as the g 7 g 5 was of building a bit difficult with difficulty its a joint force in july of 2017 we decided to launch these islands are gathering more than 10000000000 of you are getting more than 10000000000 of euros from 818 countries not only europe the last country to join our japan and canada and canada so of course we do have the impression that its of course a global and joint efforts both from the International Community and this is why are we asking for more sort of diety from our europe again not only imagine i dont nations must be implicated i cant write our eye on you which yet it is in full given give me an idea then you said that 8000000000 euros has been raised how is that 8000000000 euro is going to be spent on this particular problem asari 11 how is it going to be spent well very very precise very very precise. The question is gathering 800 more like 800 projects 1st of all in agriculture to take in consideration the fact that all of the states are burdened by the immense amount of money that they are spending for defense the average of defense spending of the of the countries that 20 percent of the g. D. P. For that must change so more money for d the essential routes to build strategy and to build governance education and agriculture so through all of these are local or. Bottom up projects when it comes to agricultural education or for those social and and and health in the projects more precisely bring rebring water and bring in the cup a city for the population not to move the country which is under huge pressure is the key to fossil more than 500000 people have fled from the house on taking some situation thats a big part of the totally 20 percent 20 or 25 percent of the total is no longer on the authority of the state right and he assume and really give that up a city for the state to reassume its governance and its sympathy to deliver and of course this is something that france and of apartments would be focusing on the next week right ok coming to you had that something presumably youre going to really approve of 11000000000 euro is being spent on gross streets. Projects which are going to help basically provide the services that are pretty much absent because governance quite often is absence in many of these regions what about the issue of dialogue what about the issue of building the capacity of government i mean is it too simplistic to say flood the area with aid you know i dont think im going to get i dont really im not really theres got to think about whats going to lead us to it in the current context. I think that what a lot of actors are hoping to see from the positive it is not a commitment to the same principles of the character is and relevant. But a substantial turner its tragic and it kind of clarification the same way that president because. There is a character there is a francis involved and i think we needed a clarification of the little strategies are going to get us out of this conflict. As the reality of developed and some of these areas afterwards since leaving the state and she knows about it once you get into that. Its you know the areas that are that are of concern right out there you see the process of as you say in order to begin to see her really builds relationships and some of these unsung particularly. Where there are a lot of obstacles that taking place so i think that its while its good theyre prepared to really invest and reagents and. Can commit considerable sentenced child solves this conflict between whites and the state and their great to have very little impact unless it is unless and until there is a real serious political strategy there right that really and open a way to get to lobby to keep. How are you steves and the south and his relations are planning on dealing with these areas where you have this strange sort of mix of you know what. You know really is often rooted in very vocal grievances so a lot of that these groups are becoming bigger and stronger because theyre feeding off little to excell grievances that have. Guessed right and those are the those are the issues that we really need to rattle and slow that happens putting more money and this is why. Right question i mean i think what weve identified is the fact that theres a toxic combination if you like of of local grievances some of them a long held david generations into communal tensions if you like and also a lack of governance do you get a sense that other countries particularly along the west african coast are taking note of this and if that preparing if you like to bolster themselves to prevent the spread of this conflict well i think theres a general conversation amount. Of the need to bolster themselves but let me make this point the process too both from themselves military really build the resilience communities and sharing the social welfare groups are distributed making people loyal to this states its institutions and mechanisms will be a law. Process if we take the military side over the past 20 or 30 years or so most states have not provided the militarys with more than one percent of g. D. P. In terms of training logistics and actually carrying their capacities to respond to me that has the development of these states Water Education jobs housing be in step with whats in the demographic expansion so you would notice that part of the frustration that you are talking about long standing and bedad grievances and most things that happened the last decade or so right problems that are. Transformed and are not been embellished idea of threats and huge challenges so. So the roof problems facing not just the cost are still because theres an entire 20000000. 00 of these challenges the cost and then civilian states the problem that the f. E. C. Massive and i think that it will need not just domestically. Terms but certainly a Critical Role our interests are partners right emmanuel in paris how committed is president marc or do you think to this military presence in the region he seemed to be a little bit upset little bit irked by what were open been open demonstrations of anti french sentiment and in fact hes hes chided the g 5 leaders for allowing it to not having a a more public. A more public display of support for the French Initiative how committed do you think president merkel is to keeping troops in the region. Well because of my core as i was convened of the 5 African Leaders precisely for that for a clear commitment of whether or not they want to the front for the state. Convention with the with my colleagues that the question is not only about military but its about a longer lasting presence we have been a pleasant ministry on a console for since the end of the dependents it doesnt but it does not mean that we have to replace the army we are not here for that we were called to try to save what we thought was an urgency to intervene in january precisely 90 degrees and i did it in the 19th of january but we didnt want to stay long we are burdened by that it costs a lot of money the Public Awareness about the legitimacy of the intervention is into the gated and this is why because in my core ive opened the door to any perspective whether we should stay or whether we should go everything is on the table right as a michael has made very clear that he is a bit worried by 2 factors one of the very rapid the ongoing bashing front bashing its not only inside its all of the african continent and the concurrency of because when people are calling for the end of the sentiment you present that calling in for a new actors to come in this i see russia and china and this is a matter for the patient as well for the fun of the drive thats a big a geo political conversation isnt it that we havent got much time but i really would like to get your views on this point quite often the terms used to describe the various armed groups in the region are is in the midst jihad against what does that mean what are the aims and objectives of most of these armed groups you know how do you think it is very misleading the manager whos just. There sort of hands a little bit and or donna down which is you know now at the moment. When hes not serious are you. This is just really the most recent get a ration of conflicts that have been pretty well cherished and in these countries so. You know that gives troops curious to try to free because of this state and terrorist jihad and his last history of spirit is that which there are there are forms of relationships an optician that are there to. Do with religion or ideology theres theres a lot of cops and resources rightist and ultimately sort of unravel what they do that. There is a religious sentiment. In some cases its quite sincere and i think that it made it easier to break into our fighters theres a lot of artists and writers how to find stuff and we should say i like that given how i started how the troops are at that moment its not a grout its very tempting for people to go just improves to others those things. And it is Getting Better is why are there really needs of uniforms or what i have up and believe me its made its question of terrorism and character. And it looks like it will d sit upon little political plans that originated. Right ok weve run out of time thank you all very much indeed emanuel in paris how strong in the senate can ease capital dhaka and Emanuel Kwesi adding talking to us to dunce from dunstable just outside of london thank you all very much indeed for a very interesting conversation and thank you as ever for watching the program remember you can see it anytime you like by going to the web site al jazeera dot com if you want more discussion as i suspect you may you can go to our Facebook Page facebook dot com full a slash a. J. Inside story and theres always a twist as fair a handle is at a. J. Inside story im at Martine Dennis a for me and the whole team here in doha is fascinating thank. A journey of personal discovery. 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