Figures in iraq. Weve just heard from various sources from the largest political bloc within parliament that there has been an attempt on the life of the cleric shia cleric coveralls father his compound in the holy city of najaf was apparently attacked by an armed drone overnight in that city you know we dont know if there were any injuries or casualties in his in that compound and we dont know who could have been responsible for that attack but we have heard from various sources saying that there was an attempt on his life that is because there are some other the shia cleric in najaf now this happened after many of those demonstrators who were attacked just behind me here. In the square overnight they were demanding protection from Government Forces and there were no effort there was no Government Security to protect these protesters and that is when most other us souther called on has military wing of his party to come to the rescue of these protesters that is what theyve been telling various other Media Outlets that they tried to rescue and help the demonstrators in the last month in that gunfight and now were hearing that there was an attempt by a arent thrown out on the other compounds in the holy city of najaf in india a rape victim who was dust in petrol and set on fire has died of her injuries the 23 year old was attacked whilst on her way to court to give evidence against her alleged assailants she told police 5 men beat and stabbed her before setting her on fire in the Northern State of whats a pradesh families demanding similar treatment for her attackers as the accused in another high profile rape case taliban and u. S. Negotiators have resumed talks and aimed at ending the war in afghanistan in september the us President Donald Trump abruptly stopped talks just as both sides appeared close to signing a deal. At least 7 Kenyan Police officers have been killed after a bus was attacked close to the somali border kenyas president says gunman from the armed Group Al Shabaab stopped the vehicle on a remote road between the tons of wood and mandela the government of smore says nearly 90 percent of the population have not been vaccinated against measles a Compulsory Program was rolled out after an outbreak 6 weeks ago 65 people have died mainly children and more than 4 and a half 1000 people have been infected a curfew has now been lifted the Health Ministry said 103 new cases have been reported since friday barricades have been set on fire near the u. S. Embassy in haiti. Protesters in portau prince accuse the u. S. Of propping up what they say is the corrupt government of president juvenal noisey hes resisted 2 months of demands to quit as fuel and Food Shortages intensify in what is the western hemispheres poorest nation the saudi king has offered his condolences to the victims of a shooting at a naval base in the u. S. A 30 year force officer on a Training Course killed 3 fellow students in florida before he was shot dead by a local sheriffs detectives are investigating the motive several bushfires in australia have now combined into a single socalled mega fire strong winds a stoking the blaze north of sydney and orange haze is cause breathing difficulties for people more than 100 fires are burning in the state of New South Wales emergency crews say they need flooding rains to put the fires out those are your headlines the news continues here on aljazeera after studio b. Unscripted more news in 30 minutes ill see you then. You would have thought. And then our rich country we use hunger as a weapon its much more difficult to be left wing and to be a right wing you know because the history of the left is full of lies and betrayal oh it has to be subversive if you dont have a level of anger about your stand time you know. What i tried to do is to turn my own life into a weapon to challenge and to question social violence one of the main issue for the people of my childhood was that we would always be dismissed as fictional people my name is it about a week. Author of 3 books about poverty and the working class in which i grew up. May shelves for. 50 years or more. Im a man of the left and have been since the early 1960 s. So i want to thank them for is why folks at. Cannes movies are about people like me about poverty about the working class and really spoke to me like nothing before its just the window why. Do you really think i want to. Really. Yeah. Im interested to meet. Because his writing his face extraordinary and has experienced hardship and. Aggression at 1st hand can watch is one of the artist and i and my other most on earth is a hero for me so i cant wait to meet him and have this conversation with him. Hes a different generation to me and well see the demands of the left needs to make maybe differently so i think theres a lot for talking. Im going to start in my last book who killed my father i tried to talk about about my father and about my fathers life and the fact is that my father when he was 35 had an accident at the factory and where was working and when his father and grandfather were working before and he could not work for several years and after that the french state kind of harassed him to go back to work so basically telling him if you dont go back to work you will lose your benefits and in fact this book was much. Made possible and inspired by your movie by daniel blake and i have the impression that the focus of your movie of the new black is political and social persecution and i think in the left in the past until today and its still true in a way but we talked a lot about social exclusion as being one of the main 2 that oppress people in excluded people but what i feel from my fathers life or for the character of daniel bake or its even more true if you think about people of color were being persecuted by Police Brutality police force and everything and do you think that prosecution as a Political Tool is a modern of conservative politics and. Its a huge issue of a really really good point i think it begins with a konami us. Workers change so there is and there is a lot of precarious work and a lot of it is very badly paid and the minimum wage is very low. And there are now ways of not paying the minimum wage so people have to be made so they will take bad work for low pay and 1. 00 way to do that is is to make it so that if youre if youre not working you really suffer and even if you know working because youre ill or youre disabled it still has to be that is take a rubbish job on poverty pay than to be supported by by all of us but i mean they say by the state i think should be all of us you know because we live together we look after each other were in trouble so therefore. Its certainly true i think in both our countries. For us the benefits system is punitive you have to apply for a nonexistent job for 35 hours a week if youre an hour or 2 short youll be sanctioned and then youre sanctioned and then you dont get your money and then you get into debts and then you can pay the rent and then you might be evicted so that the threat of that is so dreadful that yes. A badly paid in secure job just to not be in that position and the cruel thing. I mean we call the conscious cruelty because because they know there was a case or could talk forever about this. I mean that. I mean the a man in a job center in wales in turn ethically 65 years old he was ill his doctors said he couldnt work but they forced him to work. He sat in the chair and he collapsed and he died and is going on week after week month after month they are today who are his thoughts then they are rich country we used hunger as a weapon and the rise in charity food as well 2 thirds of food banks as an Organization Called its arsenal trust they gave out 1600000 charity food banks last year over half a 1000000 of them went to children still cant eat i mean we live under a government that treats people with absolute contempt. More it would presume in your movies since the very beginning people are dying you know and also this is this is the very truth of of what politics is that you you can die in front if you are working less person you have 50 percent more chance to die before 65 years old and it was the same with your women you can die from muscatine violence if you if youre a queer person you have like much more chance to kill yourself. As a gauge i always had ideas of killing myself and its very bad you know its like that what what so many gay people in djibouti people share the same thing if youre not white if youre black if youre an arab in france you can be killed by the police so really belonging to a certain category means that you a exposed to a pretty major death you know and its very bizarre because the people who are that power to even kill us or risk us spends their time i ding what politics really hes you know and we have movies or of books or art in order to show what they do and what they i did while the while doing it and i think thats also what why your movies are are so powerful because theyre showing this this truth like people die from politics and then you cannot have like just a cone quiet conversation about politics because youre talking about people who dont leave any more yes i think what pollutes our politics is that we that the Public Discourse doesnt reflect the struggles that people have its a Propaganda Machine almost the entire press is on one side and a more used to be thought of as a kind of market they left paper and is now not left at all but i think its in writing like your books did you can find your voice. But that voice should be in a mess mass media should be in television and you dont hear forces like your voice or if it did if we did hear your voice it would be marked with a health warning. Which happens to all of us also there is something that i wanted to discuss because im not sure we owe agree on that ok there it is i wrote about this this small village that used to be in this trio village in the north of france or in a sickly or my family was working at the factory yes and i saw the bodies of my father and my grandfathers and all the people around me in the village and i saw them suffering so much from working at the factory you know being that physically exhausted big physically humiliated even all the time and so nowadays when i watch the news on t. V. And i see that like a factory is closing in europe i cant help having a little like joy you know in saying i dont want people to do this anymore and for me the responsibilities to the states to give money to these people who dont have jobs anymore to you know organize there are so many new ways of doing politics tax on the rowboats tax on the capital dogs on the market oxen and i think this is the real issue and sometimes i dont i dont understand the left where they are saying like we should save our factories and everything because i dont want people to do this no but i think there are 2 things on the one hand you dont to do dirty dangerous exploitative work. But equally i think its a natural instinct what keeps using gauged in society is everyone makes a contribution everyone joins in never together function and then you you have a sense of selfrespect and pride and thats my contribution and i have a presence i have a function and i think that thats very important to every contributor forms thats what we traditionally call work can be people creating like soccer teams then yeah this is yeah absolutely so but this is not recognized by the 3rd base of state as a work most of the time no i agree but i mean the what happened to the mines in arkansas is a classic example of that i mean mining is if any job is dirty and dangerous to my knees you know 8 hours a day underground my fathers family will mine is a part of my father and my grandfathers a miner and the kids said nothing job youd want your child to go into but they had amazing communities and when the mines were shut in the towards the end of the eightys and the ninetys when thatcher you know consciously took on the miners to beat them because of their militancy and their strength their communities were just left to rot now. You know in a proper. Society you would you find in your investment you wouldnt leave people that nothing so the community would be protected with a useful function instead of as happened with the capitalism it ok the capital closes down we just the money goes somewhere else but at the same time these communities can be difficult and they can be toxic and growing ok you know in a working class media it was extremely difficult for me to be part of that community because it this community didnt want me you know so i wish the community was less strong at that time but i understand your point in the fact that when people live i left isolated they dont go to unions they dont go on strike and everything which is an issue but you know like what is the solution because there is something very violent and very difficult about those communities also and today we have an opportunity to creates you know other communities that we were not born in like through the internet i didnt choose the community of my childhood and i want i dont want capitalism to destroy communities but i want to be able to escape a community is a leaf i want you know yeah thats a fair point in general i think people are more tolerant and the major communication like the internet have broadened peoples expectations but i think people are generous when they feel secure and theyre more narrow when they feel insecure and you know whether its a village or whether its a city i think its generosity of spirit comes out of security i mean i think its a part of it and also its i think its not everything i think there are still some mechanism you know of love of racism and of my skill in violence that are a part but it is also true what you what you say about insecurity and i think we see it from your movies the fact that when people live in insecurity. Is constant social violence coming you know on them on the shoulder and they end up being like tends to you know leave it is that it happens that sometimes we have a by day in a bad day with some and we go home and we are being a little bit aggressive even when someone we love you know gay and we say why why did i do that you know because you search for it in the day and then youre like just no i dont sleep comes part of your flesh and part of your being then exactly i mean it is the it comes from stress doesnt it when you work you put on the smile you know youre in the world you plays in the public face when you get home and if you work a long day then that he dont have to do this and thats when the pressure comes out and thats when i mean we just been working with precarious workers drivers working 12 with no break at all just to get a living wage and save the care workers many of the people doing in the going on the make and then the stress of economic of having got enough money you know at the end of the week. Means that when you get home if youre patient or the person you live with the patient for the kids you havent seen the kids and thats where the stress comes from come from from Economic Hardship i think you know and when governments makes violence decision in the great kind of circle of violence because people are suffering from violence will repeat sometimes theres violence and this is make it makes it even worse im sure people have some thoughts about the things weve been talking about i had a question about representations i work for and i hate where a great pick campaign against the politics of hate and we hear from people who face a lot of the problems that you both look at and you work we hear a very kind of strong sense of voiceless and people often articulate 3 a narrative about kind of suppression by p. C. Culture and this kind of its a narrative of the populist right but it speaks to a sense of kind of being trapped by proves that you are not part of creating so i guess the question is how how then do you find your own voice i mean one way is to be part of an organization be part of a union because then other people will be sharing the same concerns that you have and you can articulate is in a benign way not by simply you know reheating the places that you get through the right wing press but here i think be part of a group came into a group. For both a muslim anything anything where theres a good people and then and then the best tends to surface what is important is to create spaces where people feel comfortable where they can speak and i think those spaces can be a movie or an organization or an association can be a book it can be can be a place a Political Party so many Different Things and its what your movies did to me you know they. Were spaces in which i could say i suffered and people around me suffer if you know and i think its extremely difficult to get there when when when i published i talk of turnabout there but when i published my my 1st novels in of eddie talking about poverty and and my life in the north of france my mother came to me and she told me why do you say we are poor you know and she did she didnt want me to say that she didnt want me to say it because actually shes ashamed of being poor you know because the governments the people in the governments make her believe that if shes poets because of her that its her for that shes responsible for that so at the end she doesnt want to say i suffer anymore she she and it becomes a huge political issue because if the people who suffer dont want to say that this are for you know if it out can you change the world and now can you make it better you know if people dont want to say yes for so ive worked with the homeless for over 7 years and what you guys think about homelessness in the u. K. As we are one of the richest countries well out and do you guys really the government care about all the stress. They care about the Housing Market they dont care about home and the idea that the market will provide the people of course this falls because theyve built and sold investments for people to buy them now live in because they will increase in value whereas as you know probably better than me last christmas under 30000 children where in temporary accommodation and i dont to be Party Political well i do want to believe it but the i mean the idea of Building Council houses that are built by them in this a palette of Health Centers and schools and make life a joy to live in. And i think it anyway but we wont get. With this government has been and yet the situation in france is pretty much the same there are people in the streets everywhere and there is this also this constant. State of lies in the in the political field saying we dont have money we dont have money we can do that because we dont have money and of course the money is so moneys everywhere you know its just that. The hands of a very few people have you ever seen a child seeing a homeless person for the 1st time the kids are so shocked the 1st day most of the times like why this person is sleeping on the street like here and this violence becomes so normal you know and we all accept it in a way and that frightens me but how do you force these people in the governments to take action and to change the situation they dont kill they think its normal i think its not i think we have to give it to them yes so there is a way they would say yeah. I would be interested to know what you think about the role of technology in movements which at the moment we were seeing are really changing the face of politics for example hong kong for example chile for example extension rebellion thats one question the other one is the rule of empathy. Because which in your films has always allowed me see hell put those who i dont know. Really big im the wrong person to ask for that because i can barely turn my phone on. But i think i think clearly a can spread the message it can communicate with a great number of people who are still by the same. But the same campaign the same ideas i think the problem is that you have to move on from that because otherwise we dont know how to effect the change you know unless you can analyze the the the forces that are driving us to disaster and how we intervene against them. How youre going to proceed so i think i think its got to be tied to political analysis and i do think it has to be tied to an organized coherent political move whether you call the party or not i dont know i think in our case i think b. B. Still do need a party i mean weve had huge issues with with parties and i mean the labor party is a classic example its been led by people who were committed to making capitalism work you know and just getting the crumbs off the table so the interests of the working class have not been represented in power and democracy the 2nd part of the role of empathy i actually asked the you know. Well empathy comes i guess from solidarity action doesnt this where you say right im not in that theres exact struggle but i will withdraw my labor in sympathy because then you can say ok youre on strike youre absolutely right the issues that you face will come to us unless we join with you and then we can use our strength. As a class just briefly about new technologies when in front there was the Yellow Vests Movement and people protesting against social violence against poverty against the french state. There wasnt a massive. Reaction from the from from from the dominion class who hated these people in the streets you know they couldnt bear it and they were saying only look at these people they are dirty they are ridiculous they are fat they are stupid and at that time like in the Mainstream Media it was extremely difficult to talk about what was going on and the social media where plate were a place where you could edit things and i wrote it takes about the you know this movement and i put it on twitter because i thought its the only place where i can you know say what i have to say it and social media and new technologies are an example of that of we can use power against power and your position on empathy im more comfortable with the. Idea of. Confronting people and making them feel bad in a place of empathy you know i want i want to make people feel bad in a way i love it i want i want people to see kids movies or dardens brothers movies or you know by region can smoothies and say what do i do you know what is my role in this violence what if i do nothing i should feel bad about it look at what these people are going through but what interests me is to is to really use out to make people feel uncomfortable you know its a very you know role of courts and now it is something people say oh i feel uncomfortable i dont feel safe you hear its a lot in the us in the academic media or in the media sphere but being uncomfortable is what should do you know make you feel like what are you doing against that you know to confront you to your to your non action to what you are not doing and i really its what i hope. The rise of the far right its a huge threat because its hiding the interest the big corporations behind the kind of phony nationalism and populism i think its a beautiful thing to put security in the mouth of the effort and to say when we talk about security we dont talk about repression we talk about helping people in such a critical moment now with struggling to find a very cool progressive way of living together. An investigation of how Foreign Companies planned africas Natural Resources the terrorists is showing for them in a big question revealing how now maybe as officials demand cash in exchange for favors. With confidential documents provided to aljazeera by wiki leaks were going to saving you Committee Foreign trip so i was part of the country and i am not denying it our dizzier investigations the anatomy of a braai. Piece it will be in doha the top stories from aljazeera more gunfire has been heard on the streets of baghdad after one of the worst nights of violence in recent weeks on friday a group of armed men attacked protesters near Killarney Square killing at least 23 people and in what seems to be a related escalation sources close to the prominent shia cleric mocked saying his home has been hit by a drone strike his party says also i was not in the country at the time of the attack dorsett body as more. Many of those demonstrators who were attacked just behind me here. On the square overnight they were demanding protection from Government Forces and there were no weapons there was no Government Security to protect these protesters and that is when most other a souther called on has military wing of his party to come to the rescue of these protesters that is what theyve been telling various other Media Outlets that they try to rescue and to help the demonstrators in the last you know not gun fight and now were hearing that there was an attempt by they arent wrong on the other compounds in the holy city of mecca in india a rape victim who was dust and petrol and set on fire has died of her injuries the 23 year old was attacked on thursday whilst on her way to court to give evidence against her alleged assailants in the Northern State of top pradesh taliban and u. S. Negotiators have resume talks in doha aimed at ending the war in afghanistan in september the us President Donald Trump abruptly stopped the talks just as both sides appeared close to signing a deal at least 7 Kenyan Police officers have been killed after a bus was attacked close to the border with somalia the kenyan president says gunmen from the Group Alshabaab stop the vehicle on a remote road in the tons of wood and monday. The king of saudi arabia has offered his condolences to the victims of a shooting at the naval base in the United States a Saudi Air Force officer on a Training Course killed 3 fellow students in florida before he was shot dead by sheriffs detectives are investigating a motive. Several bushfires in australia have combined into a single socalled mega fire strong winds are stoking the blaze north of sydney emergency crews say they need flooding rains to put them out those are your headlines back to studio b. On scripted ill have the news hour and 30 minutes also us just. In front if youre working class person youre 50 percent more tense today before 65 years old the Public Discourse doesnt reflect the struggles that people have its a Propaganda Machine how do you force these people in the governments to change the situation i think we have to give it to them yes there is a way they will change. One thing that we mentioned before we started was a problem that will you cross europe and in the states and that is the rise of the far right well have different experiences in this. And. How the left should respond why the right has risen in the way it has because vox in spain theres a pending for salvation in it and in italy you know english has both numbers ill and theres the Eastern Countries poland is going to have a Big Government and so on and its a huge thing i think has it hiding the interest of the big corporations behind a kind of phony nationalism and populism why do you think its risen in france and how should the left respond. Very is the only answer in 2 words hearing. No i think youre absolutely right and that its really frightening in fact in the village where i grew up many people were voting for the far right so i not only i tried to understand it but i experienced it like for my flesh like physically my father who was waiting for the far right my own my mother like my my family in general was voting for the far right and the things they would say was always the the left doesnt care about you know anymore they dont talk about us and they would say the far right is the only ones who talk about you know so they only want to address our lives our bodies what we are what we are going through so certainly like one of the reasons why the far right is so powerful today is the fact that most of the socalled left or socialist parties around europe like but the socialist spending germany laboring in england they have basically stopped talking about poor people about work about pain about suffering about class about and so they renewed the language and it raised these people so many working class people felt that they didnt have a space anymore in the left where they could speak and so they slowly went to the far right i think also one of the one of the maybe more complex things is some to. The inability for a certain left to not address very contemporary issues you know to to because we see in your movie the last one so sorry we missed you that the son of the family the young kid is like 15 or 16 years old is revolting against the world is working you know and you see the same thing in from there so many people from from the Younger Generation my brothers and sister are 1920 years old and they are not the same that my father used to be you know for example they dont they dont want to have bosses anymore you know they dont want to have i were kids anymore they dont want to have like ours anymore like a strict schedule where they go to work and everything and and for me its wonderful you know for me its a its a its a revolutionary vibe you know people are saying i dont want to boss threatening me humiliating me so like giving me orders and everything and the fact is that most of the left is unable to talk about it and only as a write in the far right say ok were going to do were going to do deliver or were going to break you know the the work contracts and everything and the left has been unable to try to find a left wing language to that what it means for us if Revenue Generation of people like this young kid in so we re missed you who say i dont want to have a boss anymore it must be the most beautiful thing for us left wing people and we really need to renew the language of the left dont you think nationally i mean i think the the left really is. With their prime interest was in making certain business worked it was in the interest of the word pass and their security and their income and their work and i think the last point you make inventing and flex is called flexibility here and either right wing lang we are that way they need to it it would work well it is flexible of they say they the. Working phoned up and say sorry boss or not come in today no reason but i was the one to be paid so it only works in the interest of the employer and i think its its fine when youre young that you have a kind of fairly casual relationship with work but when people have families and they have. Bills they must pay and they do need the securing and he kind of a secure income that youve got a security job because if you dont have another system right yeah pretty very build a better system with more welfare and with more you know protection we could imagine a world where where you know we find it out not flexibility but liberty you know here free by the fine i mean maybe in cooperatives or collectives absolutely so that it but theres got to be a coherent steers i think but i think the biggest problem with the left well in our country is identified its interests with the employers. What is very marketable here is that the labor party has done 180 degrees shift. When coburn was elected leader and now they are talking about the interests of working people were we talked about versus work like a Health Service that will really you wont have to wait months for an operation and so on social care you know looking after all people. With some dignity everybody you know getting away they can actually live on. Investing in those areas that have been elected which are left wrecked. And they are talking about that now and also about protecting the or trying to mitigate the effects of Climate Change and and turning that around the other problem is the abuse and this mias and the lies that are told about someone of the left trying to trying to instigate those changes is very intense so i think thats a big issue but in a sense our agree with you that we have to find a new language to reinterpret the basic demands that people have been waiting for and i always have the impression that. You know people like my father was at the same time voting for the far right at the same time saying you know gay people should be killed everything is very violent things against gay people and at the same time when there was a gay man assaulted by a group of other guys in the village my father went there and have that guy yes i dig into the others you dont touch him or destroy you you know yeah and so i always have this feeling that people always of so many different people within same you know and so all these people who are now vote for the far right and sometimes they like very violent things against gay people against what they call migrants and everything like these people they are authors most abilities of being inside themselves you know and i think you bring that out very well lets see i mean you you showed the contradictory impulses in people and i think thats really thats very precisely done in your writing and you know its the same person will be generous and irrationally harsh. And they dont understand why theyre being so brutal but theyre contradictory elements thing their fates are that in a way you want a system that brings the best the best out of people thats why you should build a strong left you will push people to go on the other direction like the the better possibility of being that they have within themselves yes you will drive them to go that way and youre the other way and eventually then the violence will disappear or some hearing like again i think it comes out of security isnt it you know if youre secure you can be gentle. If you will if you are not threatened yourself you can welcome people who are. Who needs help you know whether theyre seeking asylum or for whatever reason or the issues within people in your community if you feel good about yourself and you can be generous if you feel frightened if you feel in danger if you feel hopeless if you feel cynical then you push people away. So how would you interpret the fact that the dominion class have the security and theyre not necessarily welcoming because they can then they maintain their security by keeping Everything Else from being here i mean theyre totally ruined thats how they control the empire isnt it you know. By keeping they didnt didnt just people in their place and here it was keeping the working class in this place. They couldnt afford to be generous you know because thats what they wealth depended on but thats why we need a different Cover Society based on equality of brotherhood and liberty. But also of this feeling that its. Its extremely difficult to rebuild when you left in order to fight this the right wing rise because i have the impression that today you know way the far right already won the battle you know people always ask me do you think the fowey can win the election the inference and i always into but they already won you know because they are everywhere because as soon as they Say Something it will be everywhere you know in the media on the front page of all newspapers so you just have to say basically a very stupid racist thing and it would be everywhere it is so there is like a kind of fascination yes for the far right and suddenly realized fear i think after the riots and when you were doing left wing things and you were trying to say new things it doesnt have the same effect you know you create a discussion and we are supposed to answer that you know its everywhere on t. V. In the in the newspapers in on the radio you know as the question and you are constantly invited to go in to discuss their issues yes yes exactly but one level is quite simple the process and we have a far right press here most of the press is on the far right so that its the Public Discourse as opposed to whats going on on twitter and facebook i guess is dominated by the writing agenda so the when the left somebody from the left is on they dont take their ideas their theyre to comment on the right wing agenda. And the mechanisms that control is very clear i mean the press is by identify the same influence that the press is owned by they which toxics. You dont live here they are in the the press and they tell us what to think i mean one thing we do have to do is have a policy for that to not to defend the freedom of the press to do stablished the freedom of the press. And i think. I mean and. Point is the the left and how we how we regenerated. The thing is that its much more difficult to be left wing than to be right wing you know because precisely the history of the left is full of lies and betrayal of people pretending to be left not being left you know when people think im right when they are really right we hear that. Even if they are worse than they think was the time but lets open up the conversation again yes absolutely yes god he said a few things i have both of your work deals with tend to do with working class protagonist i think among the greatest successes of cares was the fact that he had a statistic outreached was a Reference Point to everyone in the seventys everybody sort of knew of it we hadnt seen the whole film in europe but if your work can still able to have that same outreach is it still accessible or even with a working class children still be able to know about i dont you play cool or sorry we missed you and i wonder if your work still able to access the sort of working class or middle classes the state in this back in the seventys. I mean i think as an artist you should never take it for granted and you should always try to make this work visible and irritable inaccessible to other people and thats why its a very important as a writer as a director to go in the streets to demonstrate to be part of like Political Organisation to go in different contexts to go to high schools to talk to students and i think its never enough to just do a book or movie you have i think as an artist a responsibility to try to engage a conversation beyond that you were you were talking about which people why they dont care about poor people its because its the interest because they are rich because some people are poor but it works the same way with culture you know some people have called. Because other people dont have culture you know some people have diplomas because other people dont have the plumbers and everything is linked to this kind of primal exclusion so i think if you really want to be a progresses than a leftwing autists you have to try to question that and to try to undo the fact that the very definition of culture is the gap between people who have access to it and people who dont have access to it and and going in the streets writing think texting the media going to to talk like this we people is a way of overcoming it a little bit because the film i mean even a good one casts in a career really lingers on like it did abut the. Last 2 films the weve had what we Call Community screenings where the film can be hired by you know a Community Group or a trade union or a church hall or room above a pub or wherever you can have a quite cheaply. Charge for admission keep the money or give it to a campaign or a charity and it gets to the areas where people would not go to an art house and even if there were one and the there isnt one so and we had nearly 700. 00 Community Screenings about daniel blake which is ever completely a novel thing you know the films could be shown outside cinemas and it was amazing and with this new one theyre going to try and do the same thing i think you both embodied the answer to this question but i think im going to ask you in an age of crisis what do you think is the value of art. Well youve heard well 1st of all art should be anything it should be what the imagination produces you know i mean the moment you start saying should be there so it should work in this way or it should you know then then you kill creativity and you end up with stalinists and all that or you end up with toward the commercial but i think what we can do if youre lucky enough to make films about a book or whatever it is you start you can uphold the principles of how we live you know the great humanitarian values of Equality Fraternity and liberty we can just say look these are the principles of how we should live. I think on twill do better if we if we criticize arts more often you know when for me it was very strange when i arrived in the cultural media completely by accident when i started to write my books i met so many people in cinema or in nutrition or in publishing and they thought that they were progresses than liberals just because they were dealing with arts and its not enough you know and movies have been excluding poor people i mean including black people being excluded cricks reading you know like gay people for so long you know and so when toni morrison. For American Writer wrote beloved in so many other masterpieces when she started to write about black people in the us it was against the mainstream definition of what ought should be of what ought was and ease and and so i think also we should always challenge the idea that art is good as you know you do good out if your andree art is also and sometimes its art can be just a tool that that the butcher as he will use to feel good about himself you know under you know i do or this i say poured. The last thing we want is a picture gallery sponsored by little. And i think that art has to be subversive and a youre dead right if he dont have a level of anger about you then stand him you know. Because youve got to connect and he youve got to connect to the feelings people have and. When the great pillars of vatican politics is juggle and you learn to struggle and you create these jokes and this youre right theres an establishment in literally the literary figures in the stablished and in the films and in theater and if youre comfortable exactly and sometimes they are even worth and theyre like the money people because theyre just so sure about their you know you know are so sure that they are on the good side for ever you know so yes we have to try and im so pleased you say that i mean i am actually. This is more for edward you spoke at all about. Making people feel bearable as a means for making them change why that as opposed to inspiring people to change i mean for me its part of the its part of the same thing it drives the same it comes from the same source and its the same energy its because you find something unbearable that you will be in a position where you have to find the inspiration to make the situation more bearable by definition and so i always found that. The most difficult books the most violent books and the most violent movies in the most difficult movies were always the most beautiful you know way because they were showing reality you know they were showing things and it was unbearable but then it creates within you the energy to do Something Else to Something Different and if you think about the gay movement if you think about the feminist movement if you think about the Marxist Movement they were making very sad statements things. We are living in a state of the nation we are living you know as a women you are being subjected to violence and everything and then you you know you have to you have to change it our world is violent and ugly and you have to show it in order to inspire people to change it because its the way it works its finally you see reality when i see ken movies i think i finally see reality and finally is here and its not Beautiful People are suffering people are going through difficult things but it gives me so much strength your movies are beautiful because they are sad well ed yeah i mean. Yeah i mean they. Do it when a deflector easier but i mean there are moments of tenderness in your books which are inspiring i think and theres a gentleness and the moments of tenderness and thats what is piety i always forget to talk about it but yes its true. Anything that can about tenderness. I would like to ask what these static sustainable safe space for my note the people for example feel cannot thats just a school or they could company like society you think its very complex but for sure we need to. Flip the script and get rid of our i told governments because its not going to happen within these governments you need some very strong policies to create space spaces for people who are threatened like in many different ways that as a as women. As people of color i think we there are so many thing we can invent you know but it will happen only if we change things the idea ever is dangerous we need one small safe spaces is nonsense i mean every space should be so. I think it comes back to security if everyone is secure and doesnt feel threatened then we are tolerant but its imbedding that into a into our daily routine into where people were where they. Where they get of a like sation or whatever i love when you talk about security because in france its 10 like talking about security is that very often like a right wing things because when people talk about it we need security like it really is an army a oh yeah yeah i think its a beautiful thing to put security in the mouth of the effort and to say when we talk about security we dont talk about army we dont talk about police we dont talk about repression we talk about helping people about welfare or about Social Security a political agenda of securities its beautiful on also for the question of minority you know you have. Gender sexual minorities yes you had the question of security is extremely important and security is a beautiful word yeah yeah i mean it has 2 meanings absolutely. But the since were coming to the end what weve been saying really leads up to i think the fact that we are to such a critical moment now. With struggling to find a vatican a progressive way of of living together. And. Youre expressing very clearly and very precise about what we need is our country in a slide if position to where you are and in the usa youre in france and other countries because we do have a mass. Part of the left that would make big changes the question is whether that will happen a lot and whatever happens in the when the choice is made that we mustnt stop these advances we must give up the possibility of living together collectively and in the words of different. Its kind of political significance in that it it must reflect in the details of how we organize our lives but the the guiding principle is what is the common good i think that people should try to change the situation to go in forward to trying to change its situation i dont i wouldnt talk about common good because in my goodness it is again. A wellness you know so its not so the common good its the good for all of the people who suffer the people who have everything but then but then can we change them having everything so that we be sharers we will see. I always look to him as the volga face of a declining empire i think when we make the decision to stand up for ourselves the powers that be they react we have a deep state that do whatever they want to whoever they want whenever they. From the ounces in around london prove to special guests in conversation when your government is going up what do you do on trump to its uninterrupted we have a deep space and in this teligent says this whatever they want to whoever they want whenever they want the trees color nice located black people for as long as weve been fighting back have been labeled us terrorist studio unscripted on aljazeera. How the weather slightly for a dry course so central parts of south america but look a little further north weve got huge rash of showers anywhere from around that eastern side to the north of rio just that eastern side of brazil pushing up across the heart of the amazon and beyond that were going to see the main focus for the heavy showers over the coming days about where they should be yes i know well see some heavy showers to the spells of writing to bolivia but paraguayan generally dry 35 celsius innocence in 25 degrees therefore want to sara said be getting into the high twentys for santiago over the next couple days could even touch 31 here is because through sunday in a similar temperature for what to say was the time for the north lost more of those big showers those big downpours running right up into the north of the continent gotta see if you share as syrian army also seeing some showers amongst those right now this is a case to into parts of columbia pushing up into panama that western side of the caribbean probably see the heaviest downpours across the region here notice the line of showers just rolling through hispania you could see some wet weather here as a result of that but for much of the region its looking mostly fine and dry with some pleasant sunshine coming through across a good part of the region british some of the top temperatures 30 degrees celsius and similar that is the kingston jamaica. 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