Operative Alexandra Chalupa from testifying to come forward and be punk i ask america was a good for the country for the d. N. C. And the Clinton Campaign to pay Christopher Steele to dig up fake dirt with other Foreign Service sources and their political rival was a good for america to claim having evidence of the president colluding with russians when he did not costing the taxpayer millions and being debunked by special counsel id say the false narrative got caught was it good for the country for americans and foreigners alike to attempt to entrap members of the United States president ial campaign specifically the Trump Campaign sadly ive come to believe through all this that some in power do think its good they think its ok and now were here in an impeachment proceeding certainly a right that congress has and apparently even with very partisan rules. But im curious this impeachment inquiry was announced by the speaker before the whistleblower complaint was even out im curious why the lawyer for the whistleblower announced that the coup to impeach the president of the he announced that right after trump one thats pretty damning i know it hurts after losing an election especially as americans we usually get over it and i imagine it would hurt even more if you were promised a position in the next administration and lost your hopes and your dreams are dashed you know ive seen hatred for political reasons civically on june 14th 2017 at a ball field in virginia and ive seen hatred in war and i know that hatred blinds people. Ive been in more and ive studied war and coups create division and its time for this phase of the publicly announced in proclaimed Democrat Crew and thank you for your Service Thanks for being here and i yield back i dont actually says something because weve had 3 we dont i was going to go i was going to ask you if youd like to respond theres been a number. I dont i have a general suspect dr hell you may respond. So i think i want to talk to one step said was very powerful about the importance of overcoming hatreds and certainly passes on division and its unfortunate that congressman turner not cliff both left as well because i think all of us who came here under a legal obligation also felt we had a moral obligation to do so we can as fact witnesses. When i was referring to questions that id heard it was in the context of the deposition that i gave on october 14th because i was very worried about the turn in which some of the questions were taking and i understand that the point is being read about individuals as you just talked to one stop and that these articles lay out taking different positions in our elections i dont believe it should be any interference of any kind in our election i think it was unfair for people to already call the election and to make attacks also come to trample on President Trump and i know that this is put a huge cloud over this presidency and also over our whole democratic system thats actually why is a nonpartisan. Person and as an expert on russia and an expert on Vladimir Putin and on the Russian Security services i wanted to come in to serve the country to try to see if i could help i heard President Trump say that he wanted to improve the relations with russia i believe we have to we cant be in this un and in confrontation with russia we have to find a way to stabilize that relationship and suppression allies that relationship as want to stop them from doing what they did in 2016 again in 2020 this is really the crux of the issue that i and others are trying to put across and i think that youve put across a very eloquently the other matters related to this inquiry were here just to provide what we know and what weve heard i understand that for many members this may be hearsay i talk about things i heard with my own ears i understand that just sunderland says a lot of things ive told you what he told me and what others told me a lot of other people have said things to me again as well and also to mr holmes and were here to relate to you what we heard what we saw and what we did and to be of some help to all of you in. Really making a very momentous decision here we are not the people who make that decision and i do again want to underscore what you said here doctor when it was very eloquent and very moving about your service and trying to bring us all together again as americans we need to be together again in 2020 so the American People can make a choice about the future and about their vote in a president ial election without any fear that this is being interfered in by any from any quarter whatsoever so i just want to thank you for making what i think was also a very elegant and eloquent and heartfelt defense. Im a spear. Chairman thank you and dr hill and mr holmes thank you both for being fact witnesses we are here as fact finders and we appreciate very much your presentations dr hill i want to verify this story i understand that when you were 11 years old there was a schoolboy who said you were pigtails on fire and you were taking a test you turned around with your hands. Snuffed out the fire and then proceeded to finish your test is that a true story that is a true story was a bit surprised to see that pop up today its one of the stories i occasionally tell because it had some very unfortunate consequences afterwards my mother gave me a bowl haircut so. The skill photograph letter in the week i looked like richard the 3rd or a cellphone going to be in a permanent well i think it underscores the fact that you speak. Truth that you are steely and i truly respect that let me move to your testimony in your deposition you had indicated you were deeply troubled by the bitches. The attacks on her and you underscored again today that about serve at the pleasure of the president and certainly in the case of ambassador you have out of it she could have just asked her to come home but that didnt happen in fact there was a systematic character assassination that went on i went on from 2018 if im not mistaken but you say in the most obvious explanation at this point it has to be said that seem to be business dealings of individuals who wanted to improve their investment positions inside of ukraine itself you would then ask who do you understand was responsible for her removal and you said i understand this to be the result of the campaign that really mr. Giuliani had set in motion in conjunction with people who were writing articles and you know publications that i would have expected better of and also you know just the constant drumbeat of these accusations that he was making on the television so. Rudy giuliani was playing fast and furious in ukraine it would appear is that correct thats correct and he had no official tasking within the administration is that correct not that i had been told of but he frequently met with ukrainian officials to request that they open an investigation so i was i to understand yes you testified that mr giulianis involvement was quote a massive complication in terms of our engagement with ukraine thats correct would you like to explain that well i think i already led that out in earlier part of respond to some of the questions we were actually conducting which you know for of a lot of the American People might seem to be a rather boring stunned. By policy toward ukraine pushing them on the issues of reform in the Energy Sector and more broadly we were concerned obviously about corruption in ukraine we were trying to help ukraine regain its sovereignty after the attacks by russia so how did mr giulianis involvement affect. Well we we basically had worked out of a cost of 2. 00. In conjunction close conjunction with the embassy in kenya of an Internet Agency agreed action plan and these are things that in fact colonel veneman and others were working on basically moving forward on the various issues of on the list of items. Rudy giuliani and other people didnt care at all about this iraqi ambassador sandland wasnt particularly interested in it either its quite boring it wouldnt make for good copy in the press and its the kind of thing that everybody in a routine moves forward on. Mr holmes you talked about the extraordinary power that russia tries to assert against ukraine so since president selenski never got his white house meeting. Doesnt that make ukraine look weak and doesnt that benefit russia. Absolutely all right so promoting putins false claim 5 of ukraine intervention into the u. S. Election also benefits russia doesnt that it does so when President Trump meets privately with Vladimir Putin at the g 20 summit who does that benefit. Doesnt help ukraine it doesnt help ukraine and by President Trump calling ukraine corrupt and not north korea for instance does that accrue to russias benefit. Again it doesnt help ukraine all right i thank you mr chairman i yield the rest of my time to you. Your yielding me 3 seconds that even i can make use of 3 seconds mr stuart thank you. Dr yield muslims thank you for being here i actually have no questions for you that havent already been asked or made any points and havent already been made. And i guess ill just conclude by you something ive said before this impeach a palooza tor finally comes to an end i mean a year of resistance 2 and a half years of these absurd accusations against the president of russia in collusion weve gone from quid pro quo to bribery to extortion 7 weeks of hearings 16 secret closed door sessions 12 public hearings now of which you are the last hundreds of hours of testimony and i really think the for those who hate the president they havent changed their minds but theres a lot of americans who look at this and they think is that it really youre going to impeach and remove a president for this now like i said if you dont like the president youve already come to that conclusion many people wanted this 3 years ago for a lot of americans they really look at that and they they can see this no evidence 0 evidence of any bribery 0 evidence of extortion 0 evidence firsthand of any quid pro quo and yet impeachment is almost inevitable. And why because the leadership of this committee has been unfair and dishonest and i know we hear these crocodile tears from someone like colleagues who are heartbroken because they finally have to impeach this president and we know thats absurd theres no heart broken theres no theres no prayerful tears over this theyre giddy over this and theres not a person in the country who doesnt know that everyone knows what theyre going to do next theyre going to impeach the president theyre going to send it on to the senate but that is the good news thats good news you know weve all been to a concert you got the you got the warmup band and then youve got the main act and what weve seen here is the warm up band this is kind of like the sioux city crooners this is a band that no ones ever heard of but the warm up band is over now were going to go on of the main event and thats in us and in the units u. S. Senate there wont be any secret testimony theres not going to be dishonest leadership or a chairman who refuses to let us ask appropriate questions or to deny a defense where in the world where in the country do you have a trial where the prosecution presents her case and the defense isnt able to so well finally be able to get to the truth so im talking out of my colleagues in the senate these are some of the witnesses that you need to call and these are some of the questions that you need to ask 1st you have to hear from the whistleblower how they can choose to do that in closed session if they want to i leave that up to them but you cant an issue 8 an impeachment of the present United States and not have to answer some questions who did he get his information from did he have the classification of the clearances to get that information whats his relationship with Vice President biden who has he shared that information with including some members of the committee here i think our own chairman needs to be called what interactions did here is south of the whistleblower did they help to coordinate. Or in any way facilitate the complaint did they coordinate and is facilitate him counsel what about hunter biden how did he get his job how did he what did he do to earn his salary and heres the key to this look if he goes there makes money knock yourself out i dont care but i want to know did he have officials with conversations with government officials and was government policy changed at a particularly high level because of some of those devon archer former board member from bruce met Alexandra Chalupa former d. N. C. Official who admitted she provided anti trump information to the d. N. C. And to Hillary Clinton nelly your from fusion g. P. S. To help to create that ridiculous steel dossier and i to remind us what i said yesterday the American People expect a lot in politics they understand the tussle the fight the debate but they also expect basic fairness and these proceedings have been anything but fair the senate has an opportunity to fix that i am confident they will and i look forward to them completing the job that we could have done here and with that i will yield back this quickly then mr chairman thank you both for being here dr hill when we last left july 10th believe. Ambassador bolton said to you you go into our dark eyes and berg that i am not part of whatever drug deals son in law when youre cooking up on this you go tom what you heard and what ive said thats correct is that right thats correct so yes and john is right hes the chief lawyer for the National Security council correct is yes and you went to see him i did go to see and what did you say to him that i basically gave him the same summary that i have given to you on the 10th of july what took place of what took place correct including some of the details that i shared with you as well the sequencing and what transpired as i was walking in now did you have one or 2 meetings with him. About that he didnt know have a great deal of time on the 10th and i gave him the quick summary and we agreed that we would meet again on the 11th on july 11th or next and i also wanted to bring in with me my colleague. Senior director for energy had been sitting with me on the sofa for the 1st portion of the meeting and i also suggested that he speak to colonel van men separately as well because colonel van man was in the wardroom when i arrived and obviously been engaged in some discussion before i got there because as i as i got into the room they were clearly in the course of sorry with the microphone clearly in the course of conversation and i thought it was important for. For John Eisenberg to hear from colonel van man himself what his. Recollections of the meeting were did you raise the concerns that ambassador bolton had raised to mr eisenberg i certainly did the 1st thing i related to him was exactly and precisely what ambassador bolton and asked me to in the course of those 2 meetings what was mr eisenberg response as isenberg took it all very seriously he said for example that colonel vinh men should feel free he said this to me in future to go and bring any comes to him about. These these meetings simply myself and any others if there was any subsequent. Follow up in terms of these issues being raised again with any of the parties in the future he didnt say anything in response of about how he took that meeting or how he would describe it or if he did he raise any concerns about what you told him that took place no he did not he listened very carefully to all of the information that we impart is now back to that july 10th meeting the 2nd meeting its in the wardroom correct thats correct now whos in that meeting besides yourself the 2 ukrainians. Mr mysie aramark mr. Vulcan bus just some blend and then a couple of people i think of from the state department i wondered for a while if one of secretary perrys group had been there too but i honestly cannot remember but ambassador bob walker was there during that entire was there he didnt actually speak very much cheering not meeting and. I heard his deposition and i read his deposition where he didnt really recall an encounter again he didnt really speak to the sound and was doing most of the speaking it is i think you described it as you came in a mass or someone was talking about how in agreement with chief of staff will be only for a meeting with ukrainians if they were Going Forward with the investigations while this was taking place and afterwards how were the ukrainians reacting to what was being said all of the time mr mark was quite impassive i said that he had an age with him and his aide was sitting next to him in the original meeting with ambassador bolton and was you know from time to time actually was on the side whispering to him so i wasnt sure myself because i had not met mr before about how good his english was so i wasnt sure mr holmes might be able to reflect on that as to whether he was you know having some points of clarification from the a understood what was happening here so i wasnt entirely sure. If he was following all of the back and forth mr downey look who i know very well and speaks very good english looked quite alarmed i think he was more alarmed at the fact that there was this back and forth between on buses sumlin and call in november and then with me about the meeting key they very much wanted to have this meeting and here are some u. S. Officials arguing about the meeting in front of him and that was obviously very uncomfortable for him. Do you have a follow up to that sir are just and it doesnt look speaks perfect english in your mock can get by in meetings but often does ask for clarifications given the time i would yield back this to fund it. Before i turned. Public and member of this committee has said that russia did not meddle in the 2016 elections as the Ranking Member stated we published a report focused on russian active measures in 2016 with policy recommendations as to how we strengthen our cyber resiliency Election Security to counter russia i myself have worked with members of this very committee on this issue but also on the House Armed Services committee so to have our democratic colleagues say these untruthful statements just reeks of political desperation in their continued obsession to manipulate Mainstream Media coverage but the good news is the American People understand that this has been a partisan process from the start the democratic ordination with the whistleblower the incessant and astounding leaks the unprecedented closed door process closed to the majority of members closed to the press closed to the people starting this inquiry without taking a vote and then when finally forced to take a vote the vote was with bipartisan opposition now with 4 minutes left im going to turn to our 2 witnesses thank you both for your service thank you dr hill for your comments on the personal attacks i wanted to ask you each fact based questions dr hill you testified that you handed over your duties on the n. S. C. To tim morrison on july 15th and that you physically left the white house on july 19th correct is correct yes so that means that by the time there was the july 25th call with President Trump and president selenski you were no longer on the n. S. C. Correct i was still technically on the payroll of the n. S. C. Until the end of August August 30th of 2019 but i was not physically in the building and i counted over my duties to mr morrison and you were not on the call i was not on the call is obscene correct and its also correct that you did not participate in the preparation of the talking points or the specific ordination of setting up the call not for the cole but let me just. For the record the had been a long time suppression and eventually there would be a coal so there was a coal package that was prepared in advance i just cannot say how much of the coal package that had pops been prepared since for example of the inauguration of president selenski was then used as the basic material for the coal so i did take pause in the preparation of the standard coal package but i did not take part in any preparation for the specific coal on july 25th and the 1st time you actually read the transcript of the call was when it was released to the public. Mr holmes i want to turn to you good to see you again thank you for mentioning the bipartisan delegation that i led on behalf of the House Armed Services committee with my friend representative Anthony Brown from maryland we did have an exceptionally informative visit where we highlighted the bipartisan congressional support for ukraine in particular the importance of countering russian aggression and we discussed in the briefings at the embassy the importance of defense of lethal aid in the form of javelins which as you both i think you stated today is quote an important Strategic Deterrent to russia and i just want to highlight on the record i know this has been asked the javelins were provided by the trump and ministration and not the Obama Administration correct thats correct and i would just say i think we discussed the importance of all our Security Assistance to ukraine not just to have absolutely all of our Security Assistance which i strongly support again thank you for being a host on that dr hell turning back to you theres been discussion about the process of scheduling the meeting but tween president selenski and President Trump and you testified that there was hesitancy to schedule this meeting until after the ukrainian parliamentary elections is that correct is correct yes and thats because there was speculation in all analytical circles both in ukraine and outside the ukraine that selenski might not be able to get the majority that he needed to form a cabinet correct is correct and you also testified that another aspect of the n. S. A. Hesitancy to schedule this meeting was based on broader concerns related to the lens case ability to implement anticorruption reforms and this was in specific relation to ukrainian oligarchs who basically were the owner of the t. V. Company that mr selenski is program had been a part of is that correct is curts. Just distilling this down to the key facts i want to ask both of you. 3 key questions so the fact the matter is ukraine ultimately did receive the aid correct mr holmes ultimately yes and dr hill correct cells in the play and there was no investigation into the bidens correct mr holmes. They did not open a new investigation of the correct and dr hell. And there was in fact a meeting between President Trump and president s selenski ultimately at the u. N. That correct. The president invited zelinsky to the oval office at a date undetermined that has not yet happened the meeting at the u. N. President trump and president selenski met at the u. N. They did not the oval office but they did have a meeting at the u. N. They didnt and dr hill they did ok thank you i owe back this is well dr hill yesterday i think a lot of americans were scratching their heads as ambassador someone testified that on september 9th he calls the president of the United States and just says broadly what do you want from ukraine and the president says theres no quid pro quo theres no quid pro quo like being pulled over for speeding and being asked do you know how fast youre going and saying i didnt rob the bank i didnt rob the bank. But your testimony today is that on july 10th of this year you told one of the president s lawyers that you had concerns that a white house meeting was linked to investigation is that right thats correct based on laws on buses a someone said in the waldron and so as early as july tend the president s lawyers had knowledge that there was at least concern by a president ial employee about a linkage is that right thats correct dr hill just like you are we are trying to account for all the president s men. You had that same concern when you saw mr sahlins emails and you saw people who were outside the channels that you had been working on so i want to walk you through something you told us earlier you said that you have evidence that as recently as this year President Trump believe someone named cash was the ukraine director is that right its not really evidence and look i want to be very clear about this i was asked a question about this in my deposition i did not raise its and to be honest i was surprised that i was asked the question but you heard that that name cache is that right i did but again it was in and passing and i explained the circumstances in which that came up the i was asked a question in the course of my deposition about this and the only person at the time who worked at the National Security council was cash to tell us that wright was the only person i could think of and cash for tao prior to working for the National Security council from 2017 to 2018 work for Ranking Member news is that right i actually found that out after the facts and miss i wondered why i was being asked about him so i went to look this up and dr hill you cautioned us on the dangers of members of this community of this committee perhaps peddling any ukrainian conspiracy theories that could benefit russia and i want to ask you if you have heard the name lev parness of ukraine someone in this investigation who was influencing President Trump and Rudy Giuliani about some of the debunked conspiracy theories you referenced earlier i have heard his name yes are you aware that mr parness was indicted on october 10th for making foreign contributions to republicans and us elections i am aware of those reports yes are you aware of yesterdays daily beast story reporting the indicted ukrainian love parness has been working with the Ranking Member devon nunez on mr nunez as overseas investigations i am not aware of