While netanyahu is still on the 3rd scenario is that he will be indicted he is indicted he would resign and israel will still go to another election and then it all all all bets are in are up in terms of who will win and how because i think we could probably cut bits or hit by by this indictment to its leader not in the hour thats been basically their leader since 1996 in the you know in one form or another so i think its going to be detrimental to him it might be also a blow to likud its not sure but whatever the result is rochelle and i think thats an important point to make and by the way since september i said nothing i will not have a future to govern israel anymore but be that as it may i think whatever Coalition Government comes next it will still be a Center Center right Coalition Government because those who thought among the palestinians and israel is not the now whole was miscues shameless think that gun its. d is is is too much or too much of a record in the military of bombardment of gaza to be accepted as a peace partner. Ok marwan so the language what lets go back to the language that netanyahu is using saying attempted coup and you did make the connection the similarity the parallel to. This president on iraq using the same type of language these are elected leaders facing and processes that are constitutionally mandated process is a legally mandated process is using language like that can you put that in some sort of perspective for us. Well look i think the entire issue of you know states the nation states and and legality unconstitutionality an identity is all under pressure i mean look at the Great Britain here where i am look at the United States look at israel look at india so many countries around the world is there is no exception are facing a lot of pressure into the cohesiveness and to the National Identity of the country another populism is is so run so deep within societies dividing them making loyalty to a leader loyalty to a party even above loyalty to country we see that in the United States by you know the infamous strong statement that i could shoot someone on 5th avenue and they would still vote for me i think that on the other things similarly that he might do whatever he does including being indicted on 3 corruption charges but there is a hard core of supporters that is or that will still support him putting likud putting him at the neo above country and i think he knows that and hes hes using that kind of language the populist language that would go as far as basically accusing every. He won every one of betrayal accusing everyone of illegality accusing the deep state in israel of going after him that the dishes system and the media were a lot of us know who follow israeli policies that he did not win 34 elections did not become Prime Minister 3 times because everyone who was against him if anything the entire desert establishment or most of it certainly the center right on the right have been behind him and now his luck have run out basically because of the arrogance to think that he can still fool not only by the stimulus not americans and europeans but also israelis themselves well guess what the israelis already or will rate the to forgive him for the various wars in lebanon in gaza in palestine and the death and the killings even the butchery but that would not forgive him for bribery they might forgive him for things he did to others but they will not forgive him for things he did to them in israel meaning really betrayed the trust in him not to use his office for to his own personal gains the stuff sounds familiar well that was what the impeachment hearings were all about the last few days. More on this our senior political analyst and talking about what is happening right now in israel marwan thank you and what is happening is Benjamin Netanyahu the Prime Minister of israel just had a press conference i think its still going on pardon me where he is and defending himself against charges that the attorney general Just Announced a few hours ago that he is indicted in Jimmy Netanyahu on bribery and corruption charges multiple charges. Not netanyahu pardon me and said that he has an ascension is called this an attempt to who we will keep you posted as he continues to made. Remarks about this this president really situation that he finds himself in another extremely rare situation is continuing to happen in washington a a u. S. President is the focus of an impeachment inquiry for only the 4th time. In u. S. History so. Back to the impeachment now hearings that are happening in washington. In january of 2017 but been a long time between then and october and you gave me a copy and i went back and read it again because i think it actually is extraordinary important it gets to this issue here. Mr vogel points out that the ukrainian governments again you know they wouldnt have done very well at the bookies picking up the issue i pointed out the beginning of today. They bet on the wrong horse they bet on Hillary Clinton winning the election and so you know they were trying to curry favor with the Clinton Campaign its quite evident here and he relates you know to some extent individuals and some ukrainian officials like mr of ark of the interior minister and a number of other people. Here in the have been named various points and talks about how there were trying to collect information. On mr amount of fords and on other people as well however i do want to point out that the crux of the article here by mr vogel is he said there was a little evidence of a top down effort by ukraine and he makes a distinction between the russian effort that was personally directed by russian president putin and involve the countrys military and Foreign Intelligence Services now i dont think that those 2 things are exactly the same i also mentioned in my deposition of october 14th there are in fact many officials from many countries including ukraine bet on the wrong horse they believe that secretary Clinton Former senator Clinton Former 1st lady can was going to win and many said some pretty disparaging and helpful things about President Trump and i cant blame him for feeling aggrieved about them. And when we were. Setting up head of state visits i dont remember i have a portfolio of 50 plus countries plus no 2 in the european union. We thought it prudent to collect as much as possible about comments that people might have said about the president jus ring the campaign when he was either one of the candidates to be the nominee for the Republican Party or when he was actually the candidate running against Hillary Clinton and im sorry to say that an awful lot and probably shouldnt name them here because it will have consequences an awful lot of senior officials in many governments including our i governments said some pretty hurtful things about the president and i would also personally take offense at some of the things that was said if i were the president of the difference here however is that hasnt had any major impacts on his feelings towards those countries not that i have seen. But i ive also heard the president say and he said is in public so im not revealing any kind of executive privilege here the ukraine tried to take me down what i have seen at this ill advised 2 craney and officials about the chinese being removed as being the ambassador from here made some pretty you know unpleasant statements about some l. Advised. But i could lend less to a whole host of ambassadors from allied countries who tweeted out who had Public Comments about the president as well and it did not affect Security Assistance having meetings with them if it words that been a lot of people he wouldnt have met with that thank you dr mr chairman i seek unanimous consent to add to the record a political article of december 1st 2016 entitled russia accuses ukraine of sabotaging trumpet outlines russian senior officials making allegations that there was ukrainian interference in the 26000 election that objection mr kind of what they were sure you will to miss reckless 5 and i thank the gentleman for yielding i want to pick up where my colleague across the aisle congressman himes left off earlier respectfully dr hill he was not defending you he was defending himself and democrats want to make sure the records very clear. Ranking member nunez was correct he correctly noted in his opening that republicans not democrats on this committee were the 1st ones 1st ones to raise the issue of russian interference in the 2016 election the disagreement wasnt about russian meddling the disagreement was about whether or not President Trump conspired with russia a false allegation peddled by the democrats generally and specifically by some democrats on this committee with that. Strongly want to turn to you in the part of the conversation. Your testimony where you said you heard President Trump say. Is he going to do the investigation and ambassador simon said hes going to do it hell do anything you ask him to right yes or what did President Trump say next hes he said he said good what about sweden he said what sort sorry i need to look at back where we are in the middle of a conversation here where we from the testimony. This is exactly then they turn to sweden conversation what did President Trump say next he said good what about sweden good what about sweden good what about sweden why isnt that in the in your statement or its not a word for word every single more of the conversation but its the most important part of the conversation well then they turn to sweden they turn to the other topic respectfully mr holmes this impeachment inquiry is based on the call the day before where President Trump as part of a bribery scheme is part of an extortion scheme as part of a quid pro quo according to the democrats demanded investigations in exchange for either military aid or white house meeting in the next day you were witness to President Trump receiving word that the bribery scheme was successful the extortion scheme was successful and his response his response was good what about sweden yes or the ukraine portion that conversation was extremely brief what was the 1st thing the president said on the call he said. This was they had a clear recollection of this remember sation yes or please the mr holmes answer yes or you saw an greeted the president out he said im and he said mr bush is that hello mr president im in ukraine i mean kieve and the president cracked and chris said are you in ukraine you think he said i think youre in youre in ukraine he said what he said are you and you give ukraine what is your President Trump say about a separate. I did not hear President Trump side the conversation but as a proxy you said how did we go from the conversation was very loud and wrecked his voice was recognizable to as you say here when the conversation shifted i can only hear him bassett or someone side of the conversation yes or as i testified they nischelle part of the call and master song when sort of when the president came on the call he sort of winced and held the phone away from his ear. For the initial portion the call and then at some point the call he stopped doing that and i dont know why i dont know if you turn the volume down out of the president spoke less more quietly and he got used to that volume i dont know what changed what did change its important this was memorable i dont know sir it was better some one stop moving the phone away from his ear thats thats what it was yes ok of the conversation and i only heard about her song one side of a conversation sir and at the end of a conversation he said he said. This is getting a president vice on how to deal with this as if you rocky situation and he said it you know he should have they should have released him on your word and you can tell the Court Actions you tried and so to be clear when President Trump received word that the president. Had agreed to the investigations he said good what about sweden yes when exactly did. Ask president linsky about the investigations. When did he ask about the investigations when did gordon sohn want to ask his alinsky about the investigation. Which in which meeting did he raise the investigations losed raised the day before on a call and the next day gordon silence of the answer to that was going to do the investigation so when did he ask about the investigation my assumption is he did it in a closed door meeting with iraq well i want to know im a little has expired appreciate that but i want to make sure the record is clear that yesterday about sir solomon 10 of the guide to the topic of conversations did not jump on that you imagine as expired missile you recognized thank you mr chairman id like to thank both of our witnesses for being here today i like to turn our discussion to the campaign to to remove career diplomat ambassador yvonne of age both of you in your various capacities had to work with her and both of you witness what i would concur call a Smear Campaign i wanted to know your thoughts dr hill. What was your view of ambassador yavanna bitch is experience and quality of her work in the ukraine and what and do you consider it to be a Smear Campaign. I have the highest regard for the yvonne of it. In terms of her integrity and the high standards of work that she was carrying out as a buster in ukraine and across to her whole career i do believe that there was a Smear Campaign and i just want to say again for the record i think it was unnecessary if there was a decision to have a political person plus a new credit. That would be perfectly acceptable its exactly the right of the president to be able to do the us i did just did not see why it was necessary to malign ambassador evanovich to such an extent mr holmes would you agree with that and can you talk about the character integrity and performance of professor i mean in bass or evanovich both in ukraine yes maam she was extremely professional respected in ukraine by ukrainians i think also by visiting american senior officials including members of this committee and of congress who came to visit. She strongly dedicated hard working. As you see it as a Smear Campaign as well i did yes and what was the effect that it had on them around other professionals that you worked with in the u. K. It was a very confusing time as ive said before present has the right to remove the bastard for any or no reason at all it was not clear to us why this was happening. Or why people werent standing up for id like to now turn dr hill to your boss your boss was ambassador bolton right. Thats correct yes and did your boss dr vote i mean ambassador bolton tell you that giuliani was quote a hand grenade he did yes what do you think you meant by his characterization of giuliani as a hand grenade what he meant by this was pretty clear to me in the context of all of the statements that mr giuliani was making publicly about the investigations that he was promote saying that the storyline he was proposing the narrative of he was promoting was going to backfire i think it has backfired was that narrative also inclusive of falsehoods about ambassador you manage at the particular juncture that ambassador bolton made that comment absolutely because it was in the context of my discussions with him about what was happening to him busty of out of it. I was particularly struck by your testimony dr hill about receiving hateful cause and being accused of being a saurus mole in the white house or you would never trump or or have you been true to your profession and remain nonpartisan i honestly dont know what the definition of a never trump arose as i think many of my colleagues feeling the same way that it is a puzzling. To be applied to career of nonpartisan officials and i chose to come into the administration i could easily have said no when i was approached yes but you didnt find up to have hateful cause and and the like i guess unfortunately where we are today in america thats coming with the territory the continuing honestly im aware of constantly having to block twitter posts of my name and address and on the internet weve been doing this over the last couple of days i think i said in my deposition this could happen to any Single Person in this room big members of the press members of congress and be at the stuff i think we have to find ways of combating this and again this gets back sadly to things that our 1st series can also exploit exactly i think you would agree with me that this shouldnt become the new normal we jews are not. I also think that. This kind of behavior instead of keeping you down would make you under turd are you are you more determined to continue to do your work and to do it professionally i am and i think that all my colleagues are as well because just as you said we cant let this stand and i dont think anyone here wants to let this stand i actually dont believe that this is a policy is an issue i dont think anybody wants to come into personal attack yeah and fortunately think that this become the new more norm and were being led by the very top of the food chain which is our president which is unfortunate im especially disheartened by our history of women and i think that the fact the matter is that theres a long line of strong talented women who have been. Smeared and victimized by this president and we can either choose to ignore it or do something about it and frankly i think that whether you voted for him whether you supported him or not that doing so is wrong you could simply just remove someone you dont have to smile at them thank you and youre back my time to turn right and sort of echo that sentiment and certainly lament tax that have been levied against our colleague at least a phonic on this panel which have been filed and. Im for those of you keeping score at home the efforts to accuse our president of coercion extortion or bribery with these witnesses as we now come to the closing session of this. Basically breakdown as follows and we have kent and ambassador taylor who spoke of hearsay their hearsay of these matters that they said that they had heard were all statements theyve heard from others who have also testified in front of us so theres no one thats missing theres no one out there canted taylor basically said that theyd heard it from morrison insaan learn morse that indicated hed heard from sunland son testified yesterday hed heard it from no one on the planet. Then 2 men and morrison both have direct testimony of the phone call with the president of the United States. Beyond that they only had contact with sunline and again saw on been indicated he had contact with no one on the planet of ochre testified that he did have direct contact both with the ukrainians and with the president and states and indicated that the president of state did not condition either a phone call a meeting or trade upon ukraine undertaking investigations and also testified that the ukrainians did not believe that either we also had the direct statements from the president of ukraine in the foreign minister that they did not feel any pressure to undertake investigations and we also have the evidence that were all very much aware of which is they did not undertake any investigations. We also have that you want to dr hill. You want to bitch obviously left before the time period dr hill we appreciate your drill being with us today mr holmes dr hill you have provided me probably the greatest piece of of of evidence thats before us to illustrate the problem with your say so you said based on questions and statements i have heard some of you on this committee be os appear to believe that russia and its Security Services did not conduct a campaign against our country and perhaps somehow for some reason it was ukraine so this is the video it was held up by devon it is the report on russian active measures that was voted on by all of us it begins with this sentence in 2015 russian beginning gaging in a covert influence campaign aimed at the us president ial election every one of us a little small like you know effort on your part dr hill and you would have known that what you just said was not true what you had heard but you felt the need to put it in your 8 page statement before you went on to tell us a bunch of other things that you heard about other people no matter how convinced you were of also which were not necessarily true one of which was that you said that embassador son met with giuliani actually ambassador summoned testified here that he had not as ambassador met with giuliani had briefly met him in his lifetime but shake us and and giuliani is just statement that they had never met either this is the problem with no matter how convinced we are dr hill no matter how much we believe we know that what weve heard is true it is still just what weve heard but so far in this in this hearing in these series of hearings the only thing that we have. Its volcker saying i spoke to the president and i spoke to the ukrainians neither of which believe that aide was was conditioned neither of which believed that. The president was requiring it and investor song which said no one on the planet told him that that was the case thats the sole evidence now im going to take his the one that gets interesting is it is a bastard son the did say its his believe that a meeting with the president was conditioned upon investigations and bester volcker who i think is a man of very city of integrity said that that was not the case now even if embassadors sunland is correct that somebody dr who you testified and again its hearsay you dont know that supposedly mulvaney told him that because he didnt testify to that but lets say somebody beside the president told him that i think you guys want to be the laughingstock of history to him impeach a president United States because he didnt take a meeting oh please dear god please undertake that now mr holmes i got to tell you. Users here youre there a question for dr hill. Mr holm in your testimony hughes said that sandland said he loves your ass and also said hell do anything that you want mr holmes that information had nothing whatsoever to do the subject matter of any of these hearings it was it was anecdotal it was extraneous your statements that your interests are protecting ukraine are very dubious when you embarrass president zelinsky by making those statements even have to make who cares that ambassador saw them and said that you know you didnt bear as ambassador something you embarrassed zelinsky because you know he got asked this question is own country and people are hearing that statement as if its im a gentleman has expired totally dubious of you that for the use of carson iraq you know you back thank you chairman thank you both for your service dr hill id like to talk a little bit more indepth about chief of staff made moving any role in the events under investigation you testified maam that mr moving in bastra soundman were both involved with a letter President Trump sent to the ukrainian president on may 29th congratulating him with his inauguration if you recall that maam. I did yes and towards the end of that letter President Trump closed with quote i would like to invite you to meet me at the white house in washington d. C. As soon as we can find a mutually convenient time in quote dr hill was this congratulatory letter drafted through the normal procedures at the n. S. C. At the n. S. C. Uses to send letters to foreign heads of state the 1st part of that was except the last paragraph. You also testified. That ambassador asylum told you that he had dictated that line to the president and that mr mcveigh any he told mr obey need to add that to the letter is that correct maam thats correct you said that you were nervous about that why were you nervous. Because at this juncture they did become quite apparent that their president wasnt very keen on having a meeting with mr ski for all of reasons that weve been trying out today and we were once one puts in a lesser like that you raise the expectation of a less of an invitation coming shortly after you also testified man that ambassador sound was frequently meeting with mr move very much mr giulianis campaign of lies ultimately led to ambassador evanovich being recalled from riposte to mabel 2019 youve also testified maam that her removal was pretty dispirited and a turning point for you can you explain to us why maam. Well again as weve all made clear. Out of it shannon you saw for yourselves in her deposition as a person of great integrity shes one of our finest Foreign Service officers career Foreign Service offices and i said being a decision to remove 1st replace her with a personal appointee again that would that is perfectly within the much the president s sometimes its highly advisable in fact to emphasize to a country just exactly how close the relationship is likely to be to have an appointee who is close to the president if its an important relationship but always dispersing was all of the accusations that were being fired at city of one of its leading her to be tweeted including by members of the president s family we all firmly believe that mr giuliani and others including the people who were recently indicted the ukrainian american gentleman had for some reason decided that unbusy of on average was some kind of personal problem for them and that they had then decided to engage in just the kinds of things weve been discussing about and frankly she was an easy target as a woman and im very sorry to hear about whats happened to a congressmans to feyerick and i think that theres just illustrates the point and the problem that were dealing with here today certainly i was also struck by your testimony that you were also the target of false accusations during your time in the trumpet illustration you testified about receiving hateful cause and being accused of being quote a mole in the white house you testified about Death Threats and calls at your home is that right thats correct that wasnt 2017 im sorry youve had to go through all this. You dont strike me as a woman who is easily deterred youre not easily deterred or you got im not thank you both for your service your bircher thank you sir thank you jennifer yielding just another fact check in again my caution to both of you that representation. About what prior witnesses said or what you have even said may not be consistent with the facts this was from someones Opening Statement after this linsky meeting i also met with selenski senior aide andre your mock i dont recall the specifics of our conversation but i believe the issue of investigations was probably a part of the that agenda or meeting. Now recognize the dr went. Thank you mr chairman thank you both for being here you know in 1998 i voluntarily joined the United States army reserve because i saw our country under attack time and time again bill clinton was the president then vote for bill clinton but he was my commander in chief didnt matter that i didnt vote for him im grateful to live in a country that gets to legitimately elect our leaders and ive been to places where people dont get to and its not pretty and i respect our system and i accept the results that are determined by the American People i deployed to iraq 20052006 as an army surgeon with soldiers from many backgrounds the most important thing was we were all americans that was 1st and foremost in our mission we treated our troops we treated the enemy winning over the hearts and minds of people that never knew us because of their dictator Saddam Hussein who told them that we were responsible for all their problems and that was his narrative and speaking of narratives dr hill im sorry i have to say as you said based on statements youve heard that some of his committee believe russia did not conduct a campaign against our country is false thats mr schiffs narrative thats where youve heard it we did a whole report on it. And we agree that russia has done this since the soviet union and theyve actually gotten better at it thats a problem but at the same time certain ukrainians did work against candidate trump some with the d. N. C. And if thats to bunked why is it mr schiff has denied d. N. C. Operative Alexandra Chalupa from testifying to come forward and debunked i ask america was a good for the country for the d. N. C. And the Clinton Campaign to pay Christopher Steele to dig up fake dirt with other Foreign Service sources on their political rival was a good for america to claim having evidence of the president colluding with russians when he did not costing the taxpayer millions and being debunked by special counsel id say the false narrative got caught was it good for the country for americans and foreigners alike to attempt to entrap members of the United States president ial campaign specifically the Trump Campaign sadly ive come to believe through all this that some in power do think its good they think its ok and now were here in an impeachment proceeding certainly a right that congress has and apparently