Words leveled against you constitute bowling of the worst order your good character your outstanding reputation have been be smirched in a way that is devoid of common decency but heres my message to you there is nothing ambassador evanovich nothing he can say or do not a thing that will in any way diminish the nature and quality of the service you have rendered to our great nation not a thing and there is not a thing he can say or do that will diminish our gratitude to you for that service and i thank you again for thank you. So to as to the larger point. I would like you to answer what does this mean to you crane. When the United States actually engages in the kind of behavior that we are attempting to discourage them from a gauging and namely a politically motivated prosecution what does that mean to our relate what does that mean to them in their struggling efforts to become a robust democracy whats the impact in ukraine for this behavior. I think ukraine like many countries looks to us for the power of our example and i think that when we. Engage in questionable at activities that that raises the question and it it emboldens those who are corrupt who dont want to see ukraine become. You know a democracy. Free market economy. A part of europe but want ukraine to stay in. You know under russias thrall and thats not in our National Security interests a. Q. Investor you want to thank you so very much thank you for your balance my time to the chair i think the gentleman understand that either would discuss would like take a short break lets take a 5 minute recess if members of the audience could please remain a seats to allow the witness or counsel to leave ahead of us so we will resume in a few minutes we are in recess right. Right so weve just been listening to testimony and questioning of ambassador maria event of it this of course the ousted ambassador of ukraine youll remember that she was removed from office by President Trump she is the 3rd witness now in public impeachment hearings investigating whether President Donald Trump abused his power for personal political ends and it was a dramatic testament to testimony by a well known and widely respected ambassador and diplomat whose korea spans 32 years that really came through in some of the questioning with representatives there thanking her for all her years of service and saying that they were proud that someone of her caliber should represent their country abroad she of course is well regarded as someone who would fight corruption and at one point she seemed to say the corrupt figures in ukraine people that were part of the establishment there for a long time felt empowered by the presidency of donald trump and that certainly played a role in her dismissal as u. S. Ambassador but perhaps the most astonishing moment was when house intelligence chairman adam schiff started reading aloud tweets from President Donald Trump in real time and actually that exchange that to all now discuss with heidi jo castro who is following this from capitol hill in washington it was extraordinary wasnt it when adam schiff started to read aloud tweets from President Trump in real time in the middle of the hearing in which trump is attacking her reputation and her time in office and she she responded to this. Thats right i mean talk about political theater this is real drama that happen in real time as americans who are tuning in watching this impeachment inquiry live on their Television Screens and this is a president who has said that hes too busy to be watching these public hearings but he apparently of course you knew who was on the witness stand today on of it and he tweeted as she was speaking today saying that wherever she had gone that it had gone bad she had previous ambassador post prior to ukraine and that led to the extraordinary exchange that you were just mentioning mary im not sure we have that available to show to our viewers. Youre showing the courage to come forward today testified notwithstanding the fact you were a the white house or state department not to. Notwithstanding the fact that as you testified earlier the president implicitly threatened you in that call record and now the president real time is attacking you. What effect do you think that has on other witnesses willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing well its very intimidating to dine designed to intimidate is it not. I mean i cant speak to what the president is trying to do but i think the effect is to be intimidating. A you can hear how you on a vicious response there was measured she was asked not only about her feelings to being attacked by the president because of this tweet but also previously when her name came up in that phone call between President Trump and the president of ukraine in which trump said that you have on of each was bad news and about to go through some things she also posited when asked about her reaction to that she said that her face went white she had a physical reaction and that she did feel intimidated now this may just add more fodder to more ammunition to democrats attempts to draft these impeachment articles against the president thats been the talk since we saw the exchange happen today the possible accusations more charges of witness intimidation which itself may be an impeachable defense offense rather now the white house has responded to that already the spokeswoman issuing a statement saying that tweet was not witness intimidation it was simply the president s opinion which he is entitled to this is not a trial it is a partisan political process she goes on to say that is illegitimate a charade stacked against the president and that goes right into the republicans continued defense of the president saying that this entire process this in the pietschmann inquiry in their words is a hoax however the past the facts miriam that the president tweeted this on Live Television in a sense having that visceral response from the former ambassador makes the defense the president a little bit more difficult if theyre trying to convince the American Public to side on his on his side marry him and we also are hearing repeatedly about the nature of removal from office you have on of it was asked about this by representatives in the hearing and i mean obviously republicans in the white. House would say that this is purely a matter of policy this is a decision that is within the power of the president but pretty strong words from evanovich who seem to suggest that that were willing that that we corrupt elements in ukraine the sort of elements that the us had made progress in fighting an Anti Corruption efforts in recent years but. She was saddened and shocked that. They found a partner in the us effectively working together against an ambassador. Thats right she said she wasnt surprised that the people in ukraine who were already upset at her because she had been trying to fight corruption that these ukrainian officials she thought were guilty of but that she was alarmed and she continues to be surprised that americans namely the president personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and his associates that they actively cooperated with the ukrainians when asked by investigators what the motive may have been she implied well these individuals had business interests in ukraine so they had personal monetary gain perhaps with her ousting and then there was that other motive which she did not directly link democrats try to get her to make that connection with the president himself she didnt make that jump but the premise of this entire impeachment inquiry is the accusation that trump was using his clout as the u. S. President and using his private attorney as his emissary to pressure ukraine to help with trumps Reelection Campaign by digging up dirt on his political opponents and of course we cant lose sight of what was at stake here it was the the Security Assistance to ukraine about 400000000. 00 that congress in the United States had already appropriated and was just about to be delivered to ukraine iran of it has said that that was so essential as part of the u. S. Support for ukraine in its selfdefense against russia and democrats say that trump deliberately withheld this money to use as pressure to get the now since that would be detrimental to his political opponent has adamantly denied that and still up to this point republicans have zeroed in on the fact that not you have on a bench nor any other of the witnesses weve heard in these public hearings have been able to direct. We tie the president to these accusations there have been conversations involving him but they still havent put on the stand witnesses who spoke to the president directly thats something that republicans are targeting as a weakness but it all need change mariyam next week when we will hear from more witnesses including one of the president s closest aides the ambassador to the e. U. Gordon song live and who in fact had multiple conversations in person and on the phone with the president in which this question about the aide and the investigations into the political rivals they were at least part of the same conversation in ill be very interesting to say to see exactly how gordon solomon characterizes what he heard the president say and did there are more testimony is expected as you say next week and itll be very interesting to compare how those accounts weigh out against what weve surveyed from ambassador van of it and republicans somewhat dismissive of the effect this is likely to have on President Trump obviously that there is this an expectation that it could cost him support but many republicans saying that far from that it could have the reverse effect it could actually boost support out there for President Trump. That is something that was mentioned in the questioning from republicans there was a prediction from one congressman a republican who said in fact the president s going to be even exonerated further after these hearings and the reality is that the American Public and of course the full of the politicians who represent them are so dug in on their 2 sides and at this moment polling shows pretty even even divide between president s of between people who oppose or are a get or a support the impeachment of trump and his removal and the reality is even after he is impeached if House Democrats who have. Have the control of that chamber of congress indeed move forward with impeaching him as all indicators suggest they will do and then of course it moves to the trial phase with the senate to decide to be the jurors a whether or not trump should remain in office and of course that senate is controlled by republicans and at least 20 or so of them would have to defect from their still very popular president in order to remove trump from office that is simply not a reality as things stand where they are so democrats are hoping to bring more witnesses forward and theyre hoping to eventually interview or get testimony from those who are the closest to trump his chief of staff is a former National Security advisor and others who have been stonewalled by the white house and instructed not to cooperate in these impeachment inquiry proceedings so theres still a lot to be uncovered here theres also big hurdle to get to the bottom of things and its unclear whether or not that will ever happen or i will leave you there heidi joke house or following developments on capitol hill for us and just to be reminded that adam schiff called a 5 minute break is likely to be longer than that and its already going on for about 10 minutes of recess in those impeachment hearings so well get back to that as soon as its under way again but some other big news from washington former advisor to the u. S. President has been found guilty of 7 offenses including lying to congress and witness tampering so it was challenged this year during the house of representatives intelligence committees investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election following this call in washington so passy roger stone is guilty and i guess his fate now is in the hands of the president. The president and a judge and a jury so well have to see what happens well find out in february when hes sentenced again thats february 6th just to give you a sense of who roger stone as he calls himself a dirty tricks he has a tattoo of Richard Nixons face on his back because used to work for nixon he was sort of run out of town after a sexual scandal in the eightys but he made his way back in with donald trump longtime friend associate of donald trump he was actually the one telling him over the last few decades that he should run for president so now as you mentioned convicted on 7 counts of obstructing official proceeding obstructing justice and lying to congress which is a federal offense in this country so 7 counts against him guilty on all 7 counts after about 7 hours of deliberations so not a really long time for this jury to make up its mind so what is this all about well it goes back to the campaign and wiki leaks remember they released all of those stolen democratic emails that the Intelligence Community says Russian Hackers actually took stole from the democrat computers so roger stone was on twitter before all of these releases publicly saying something was going to come and then he put out there that he was sort of maybe knew something but then when he was called before congress which was investigating potential interference by russia in the u. S. Election he said no it wasnt me no calls no tax no you know witnesses i didnt do it. Someone else so then this is all part of special counsel robert millers investigation the last person to face charges from that investigation they brought up witnesses Text Messages emails that showed that stone was trying to be the interim any intermediary between finding out what wiki leaks knew. Im very sorry to cut and that please forgive me sorry but we just got to get back to the public impeachment hearings. Now i think you said youre open same apartments this partisanship of this type is not compatible with the role of a Career Foreign Service officer is that right. But thats exactly what happened in 2016 and august 26th in the very months you went to ukraine as our ambassador Ukrainian Ambassador here in the United States ambassador charlie wrote an op ed in the hill said this trumps common sense wrong message so the very month youre over there is our ambassador ukraine vaster charlie writes out op ed and it wasnt just that attack as mr cassar was got into earlier was that attack on the president we had former ukrainian Prime Minister yatsenyuk who criticize canada trump we had mr of aka off i believe earlier you said ambassador mr evocate was the individual who 1st alerted you to the efforts of mr giuliani mr evocative back during this same time period in the months just prior to the 2016 election called mr are called then candidate trump all kinds of names called him a terrorist and of course you have mr machine go a member of parliament who was a source for fusion g. P. S. And now somewhat famous dossier that flowed from fusions work he said this in the Financial Times again in august of 2016 when you 1st arrive in in ukraine he said this the majority of ukrainians the majority of ukrainian politicians are on Hillary Clintons side she had several high ranking officials in the government in the Ukrainian Government and president one president poroshenko is president of ukraine criticize President Trump then candidate trouble all in the late summer and fall of 2016 what i want to know ambassador when this was all happening would you go talk to anyone in the Ukrainian Government about this you go saida some of these officials hey you guys you guys need to knock this off this this perception that we got as mr le shingo said the majority of ukrainian politicians on Hillary Clintons side thats not good jeb that conversation. Then talk to any one of the got to talk to present. Didnt learn any one of the government. Well one of the things weve heard so much over the last 6 weeks in depositions and frankly in the hearing on wednesday is how important bipartisan support is for ukraine democrats and republicans agree they want to help ukraine in fact democrats 1st witness their star witness on wednesday mr taylor said ukraines most important Strategic Asset is this bipartisan support and you agree with that right and. He said this in his testimony on wednesday on september 11th i learned that the hold had been lifted the next day basser taylor said i conveyed this news the president s linsky and Ukrainian Foreign minister and i reminded mr yarmuk of the high Strategic Value of bipartisan support for ukraine and the importance of not getting involved in other countrys elections so what im wondering is this is the day after the aids been lifted that bastard taylor made this statement to the training in government and he makes this after there is nothing been done by ukraine to influence our election as president was given announce he was doing an investigation and the aide was lifted but he felt he needed to say that but in 2016 when we know that the majority of ukrainian politicians want clinton to win because it was said by a member of parliament when the ambassador to the United States from ukraine writes writes an op ed criticizing then candidate trump when mr of aka off calls candidate trump all kinds of names nobody goes and talks to us and tells him to knock it off. Do you have any conversations ambassador with Victoria Nuland or secretary of state kerry about what was going on in 2016 and this majority of ukrainian politicians being for candidate clinton and not opposed to president from now until now. No one did anything no one did. You see why maybe maybe the president was a little concerned about what went on in ukraine. And you couple that with the corruption level that we know existing crane in ukraine you add to that this idea that hes not a big fan of foreign aid why he might be a little concerned about sending the harder and tax dollars of the American People to ukraine im sorry is there a question there was ok could you could you repeat it please i ask him as it was expired but i wanted to repeat the question thank you mr chairman im asking what you might may be we can kind of see why the president was a little concerned when you have the highest ranking officials in the government the ambassador criticizing him parliamentary member. Criticizing him when you have of aka off the guy who 1st told you about giuliani criticizing all this going on and when you couple that with the concerns he has about corruption the concerns he has about europe not doing enough the concerns he has about reluctance to sit in the hard and tax dollars to any country draw no i have indulged you with extra time but i appreciate indulgences wearing out i appreciate it there is a question indulge is more out with you a long time ago mr jameel i have to say that im about to gavel you down so if you have a question i suggest to you im asking for is do you think theres maybe a reason that this was that President Trumps concern was justified you know i cant speak for the president on this but what i would say is youve listed a number of actions i think from my point of view that doesnt. That doesnt create a Ukrainian Government strategy to interfere in our election say that mr jordan the best way to answer the question. So i would just say that. You know u. S. Politicians will offer to decide policies of. Foreign foreign counterparts even perhaps during their lections you know this this happens in politics and i think that it doesnt necessarily constitute interference would you ever write an op ed gordon your time reporter president judge ordered it in ukraine jordan your time is expired mr welch you recognized thank you mr chairman. Like everybody here mixture of nearly grateful to you for your career in Public Service and i feel very badly about what youve had to endure like your colleagues you dont complain youre doing your job. I feel badly about the insults the tweet this morning the fact that you were smeared not fired. But the question is you know its not how you were treated. The question is why the president did what he did and whether what he did was a breach of trust the question really is about whether the president of the United States any president has the authority to withhold congressionally approved aid to condition a white house meeting and extracting from a foreign leader a willingness to assist him in his Political Campaign thats the question and that brings us to you as part of this story because the question is why were you fired from that position. I want to read a portion of the president s call on july 25th with president selenski and this is the painful part when you 1st heard about it. The former ambassador from the United States the woman. Was bad news in the people she was dealing with in the ukraine were bad news so i just want to let you know that the other thing he goes right into this theres a lot of talk about bidens son that biden stop the prosecution and a lot of the people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great you in indicated in response to my colleague mr castros question that if you were asked to approach a foreign leader in condition american support and theyre being involved in our campaign you would refuse to do that. Yes and. Youre aware now but i dont know if you were then but that july 25th phone call occurred the day after. Director mauler reported that the interference in our 2016 campaign was not from ukraine it was active concerted energetic and. By the russians correct. Now as ambassador that you had no knowledge of whatever it is President Trump ultimately seems to have wanted to get for cooperation in this investigation is next thats correct yes right now you ben. Asked about whether a president has authority to replace an ambassador and you have agreed that thats the president s prerogative yes thats true but that assumes that the reasons are not related to the public personal private political interests of the president at the expense of our National Security right yes and youve been the target of insults from the president you join some very distinguished company by the way senator mccain general kelly man i admire i think all of us do general madis were not here to talk about that unless the reason you get insulted issue did today. Essentially blaming you for somalia is if this is another step by the president to intimidate witnesses he didnt a 10 minute you youre here youve endured but there are other people out there they can expect the trend treatment if they come forward and thats a question for us now you also indicated that the president has a prerogative to appoint a 9 career person and to be candid republican president s and democratic president s have done that