Indias highest court rules in favor of hindus in a long running dispute with muslims over religious sites will this end a controversy thats lost the decades old will of inflame tensions further this is inside school. Hello welcome to the program im hasnt it is one of the worlds most contentious property disputes a lightning rod for the divisions between hindus and muslims in india both play claim to a religious site in the city of iowa in the countrys biggest state with a pradesh dispute led to violence that killed 2000 people nearly 30 years ago hindus believe a diety was born at the site muslims say they have washed up there for centuries now indias highest court has ruled unanimously that the land should be given to hindus to build a temple with a Government Trust set up to manage it muslims will be provided with too hectic as elsewhere. To build a mosque or indias Prime Minister says this verdict shouldnt be seen as a win or loss for anybody so be it as. It were 5 plus one i today the Supreme Court has ruled on an important case that has a history of hundreds of years behind it the whole country wished that the matter should be heard in the court on a day to day basis which took place and today the decision is out just broke ott. Every class every Community People of every sect the whole country has accepted the verdict with open heart it reflects on the ancient culture traditions and sense of harmony in india. Has more now from new delhi the bottom line is that the hindu belief has won because the Supreme Court of india has order that a group of trustees is formed over the next 3 months and this group of trustees is going to go about the construction of a temple for hindu date this is what the hindus wanted a many hindus more did because they believe that the disputed land is the birthplace of hindu datagram and they wanted a temple there for the muslims the Supreme Court has said that an alternative piece of land about to have should be given to them somewhere else so they could build a mosque but the big question at the moment is will this actually bring closure to the people of india this is been a very divisive issue between the hindus and the muslims in this country for decades now maybe even longer some analysts are saying that it may finally bring closure because people are just tired of talking about it and it being a hindrance in their relationships about others say that the muslims are disappointed some muslim groups have come forward and said that they are disappointed with the verdict because they didnt quite get what they wanted now all of this is happened on the tight security not just outside the Supreme Court of india but also where the disputed site is thousands of security personnel were deployed there to make sure violence does not erupt this is answer for inside story. A well begin our discussion shortly before her this lets look at the events which led up to the Court Decision hindus and muslims have claimed ownership of this one hector of land for centuries hindu groups say a temple was demolished to build a mosque in the 16th century known as bubbly messages in 1902 hardline hindus who wanted to rebuild the temple tore down the mosque it sparked kanu and communal violence across the country that killed more than 2000 people in 2010 High Court Judges ruled the land should be divided into 3 equal parts one for muslims and 2 for hindus later that year both groups mounted a legal challenge in indias Supreme Court it was hoped a court ruling could put an end to the feud. Lets bring in our guests now to talk more about this in new delhi we have followed executive member of the all india muslim personal law board joining us sir via skype from iowa here violates seeing author of city of faith city of discord also in new delhi via skype sanjay hegde a Senior Advocate at the Supremes Court of india india good to have you all with this so let me ask you 1st of all violating does this decision by the indian Supremes Court put this whole issue of the site in to arrest them. Whether constantine i mean i i would like to say yes today i would like to say yes given the response to the new reactions from not just the main parties in the case for its mainly the local and i or the and that is across communities i would also emphasize that it is a bit early we have been here before in the sense that 2010 verdict. Was a way out it was a compromise on the law everybody got one 3rd of the land and get the ad you know bodies piling up fees against that verdict so i but 2. 00 days is of course difference because im different because the Supreme Court has acknowledged the wrongs that been done to them which didnt go to do with regard to this case that all the ideas were planted in the mosque in 1949. It has also acknowledged the demolition of the bomb the mustard and want to do that too it also debunked certain myths that that were better by by you know by various groups such as that mosque as result of destroying a huge a grand temple so i think that Supreme Court has tried to find a balance in that what dick that would be pretty eikenberry should be critiqued but i would like to think today that this is definitely a tiny step forward sanjay go whats your view on this and has that has the Supreme Court sidestepped the whole issue of ownership who actually owns. The site they they have ruled that so this Government Trust is going to take is going to take over and build a hindu temple on the site but does it address the question of what it was supposed to rule on which is who who is the owner of it. Well. The ownership had been taken over by the government long back in 93 it says it had acquired the property including these 2 acres of land. At that point of time the Supreme Court had said no that is a preexisting title dispute that would have to be decided by the high court and the government was to continue as a statutory receiver the Supreme Court has today essentially continued that saying that the government you are the owner of the land and you form a trust which will ultimately build the temple in a sense yes that has been a side stepping off the issue of. Having decided the fact that the raising of the mosque was illegal the a placing of ideas on it was illegal it did not give consequential relief to the muslim site now that you can look at it in more ways than one to some it might appear as cowardice to some it might appear statesmanship and to others it might also be just the Supreme Court giving vent to the ordinary indians feeling that it is time to turn the page on this chapter put an end to this sorry chapter and move on as a country because just lets suppose that a tag directed that a mosque be rebuilt on that site ive had a pretty. High a high ranking people among the muslims are you saying that we know that if a judgment like that comes it would be pretty impossible to actually implement on the ground there would be other republicans all over the country then. They also knew that they could not. In good conscience within the tenets of their religion said end of the line so maybe one day of looking at it is that the Supreme Court has taken upon itself if the duty and also be a problem of just coming up with a solution that. Everybody knows is a workable solution that will endure the legal basis of the legal reasoning of the logic behind the decision thats forrests men of law to chew all over my lower right pcs but the bottom line in in which the country is interested in is this its time possibly to put an end to a sorry chapter which has bedeviled our politics forever and ever maybe as a country we can find peace with this kind of compromise. Let me get your take on this and i know this is this was not the decision that you had hoped for but does it put the issue. To rest easy do you accept their judgment. As far as the accepting or not accepting the judgment is concerned please understand that we have been time and again telling that Supreme Court is the final authority and we just specter on to the Supreme Court. Weve also encouraged by the saying of the c. G. I. That it has been said that we would be deciding. Not the matter of the 5th which is court. But to be would be looking into the titan suit except and the doctors who can be decided on the basis of facts and figures known by having said this the Supreme Court under the Supreme Court has said that they must it was in existence of 528 years and deep it is not going on and. It was demolished it was demolished by the people in fact and it still of what in 100 cases could in the case that pending a motive is important personalities who wanted to sponsor for demolishing. But even. It has been said by the un to report todays order that the e. S. A. Has not been a push and do see anything but then the bus it was constructed off the demolishing the man did but thats a fact of the life that much did was in excess of 450528 years then it was or it is also is stated by the on to the Supreme Court that the other parties are only interested in the chapel to the outside the most did in fact read in it what it is called the sea thought as we and the president going on over there as read the. Content but absolutely it was incorrect that debris and hindus but also going on in the mud before that fateful night of somebody 949 very in. The i dont. See that he was under scrupulous he brought in from outside and put it in the main demand about him and men sanctum of the. And this was a reported in and a fiat about his tractor to police who went dead and by the way he was not a muslim he himself was a known muslim and he said it that to identify a set of dishes to be brought in on those got it all on the facts of life and nobody has denied it that the kind of demolition activities and all of those kind have been done but weve been expecting that on to the Supreme Court will be passing the judgment on the basis of these hard facts a flag which have been made themselves have been. Saying it even dine the order but the Supreme Court chills of 80 different 10 fact maybe because of david finding it that you do not impossible d to fight the judgment otherwise but that took a but extremely step off article 142. 00 x. Then in the Supreme Court can buy a passage judgment on the basis of. That then what actually has been stated by b. Just found that but these are some of deposits which had been juiced. In a video different different situation but not the judgment in fact has not said anything about what has been said by me early on but has used that extreme powers and article 100 to 2 which definitely. Is kind of saudi state affair and the muslims of the country out of feeling deprived of the apartment deal getting the just are done on the basis of the facts and figures something case but having said all this kind of things we have been maintaining that in the interest of the keeping the peace. But if even specked on to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court may also come except in mistakes because i didnt mean it is so all those kind of things today. We are sad that the judgment has not been. Done on the basis of the facts of the case but its more its more on the stand its more on the using of the extraordinary powers of a letter to the city and that article bunfight to violate valet saying youre talking to us of course from on here how do you gauge the mood right now this this is a place where the atmosphere has has often been tense for many years over the future of this side and what what whats to be done with it there were a lot of security measures that will put in place by the indian authorities in anticipation of this decision by the Supreme Court but it does seem. The whatever violence that was feared to erupt has not has not happened i mean how do you gauge the the atmosphere there among all the quickstep but firstly i was and i would like to say that. You know there is there are shades and there are nuances on every side so not nobody should fear that nobody should think that they represent a there is the only view of the dominant view so among muslims there are there are shades of views said that the common working class muslim living in a with that it is a tiny minority mind you they are just that deep and so is the average hindu if it deep with that dispute theyre fatigued but the complete sort of up session about the spirit in this town and its become synonymous and they have been waiting for some sort of closure so in todays verdict there is some sort of closure now. Yes it could be criticised that mustnt ever ask or if i make up a lot in that time but i will tell you after my conversations you know that you know what muslims would like to know today or tomorrow in the coming days as if this 5 acre plot of land would be or as you say to act would be in a win there. Would it be in actually of today as it is bad you know that all the temples are the mosque or will it be loose and the predation of them because in 2018 that the standard definition of iowa they have a sort of chance to you know make it a larger jurisdiction administrate of area so these are the kind of things that this that lets say the most and not one of the thing that the most im not thinking about and i have to say that the hindus. The monks and its a monk done essentially its a pilgrim done it hundreds of you know temples that and it is a town which is it sees been thrown around throughout the and they have been restrained and it is it is commendable i should say disco mendable and there were one or 2 instances of you know some kind of boisterous celebration and they were instantly clamp down i mean police intervened and they asked people to not do that you know not to walk the other side but keeping in mind this is not a victory of our last and i have to say that i think theyre anxious that the bottom line is that this is hindus believe that they have won but i would like to send a minus all that it is a victory it might be a victory but then it is a big fee that is tempered by their current troops which for the 1st time that the code of the knowledge that the items were in the list that the demolition was tragic and he had and it nearly destroyed the social fabric of india and those kind of things we need to remember as if somebody celebrating the need to them member these things that it is the means also you know of what youre celebrating and how you achieve that i think its a song day for india i think we should ought to remember that you know we have to move on from here and not backwards and a lot of that depends also on what happens in the following weeks and months. By the government what the government. Sunday had to i want to i want to point out i would ask what about one of the legal contradictions this been pointed out here in this ruling because there are there are criminal charges against. The a b j p. Figures in the party of Prime MinisterNarendra Modi in 2017 india Supreme Court ordered that the cofounder of the party l. K. Advani and others be tried for a criminal conspiracy in the demolition of the. The bubbly mosque back in 1902 that sparked all the violence but now the Supreme Court has essentially ruled hasnt it that the temple they want to build is now going to be built yes that contradiction exists but that exists. In this judgement it says the judgment of knowledge is that what happened in 1902 wasnt afrin to the rule of law now how do you restore the rule of law by necessarily by ordering a restoration of the status quo ante or punishing those who violated the rule of law and equally redressing to the basic concerns in a manner that such infractions do not happen in the future this frankly is a judgment which seeks to do a very delicate balancing act whether it succeeds or whether it falls between 2 stools only kind very far today however india is relieved that the judgment has been reasonably well received all over that we can look forward to healing shutting this chapter and moving on to. A most peacefully. Whether that beast is next thirdly and enforced isa majority didnt listen and whether that is good for india that again id let the judgment of history and they did after something or lets put that then too. Far ok is this judgment ultimately going to be good for india. It should be one that i personally feel and prayed it should be good for the country but then again there in the judgment extent it has been sad that we have the people in this one party about who have got a list of more than 400 must get across the country. This is that this is the next target and there is a law in the country variant is being saved that did that not for that mosque would be touched on over that you just dont like this but still the people have been making these claims time and again and some of them and indeed a member of parliament solves one day they are not doing it in private and they have got the printed material for that also so that it will be the beginning all of this but we are talking id send you by was saying that perhaps people are relieved for d today but. Will it be used against. You just places there is an end to it theres no clear cut guidance and. Indeed somebody wrote i desisted has said that we have no control over the people in fact we only can the people but we dont have the control but who has got the control over these people. But do you take what i want to ask you do you take heart from the fact that the court did acknowledge the rights of muslims over this land and it does say that no temple was destroyed to build the mosque and its. Giving alternate land to to muslims in ionia. Yeah again im saying that these are some of the effects of itself has acknowledged in the order itself but the bottom line is that it is that it leaf that it leaf is all those kind of things that it leaves only one thing which is the commitment on our part that we respect a wonderful Supreme Court and we every had respect in that judgment but also whatever has been said in the judgment itself but did to really. d give something to the oppressed party who has been. Who has been that targeted for saying that the multitude was established after demolishing demolishing one there which is wrong which has been sad that the muslims but it were praying in the muslim added up to some 1000 949. 00 all those kind of the dead and it was demolished the criminal case that there all these things are a matter of record but the end result is that the court has said that 5 acres of land would be given but they forget that as for the muslims out of concern. Not in the pollution to. The musket i think all right gone its gone as if the Supreme Court decided all right whether you have decided d thats up that that should be the end of the matter right valets be a part of the history no valet saying how should we view this then in the context of the increased religious tensions that weve seen in india since not under modi became Prime Minister in 2014 because this was of course a key Campaign Pledge that he made in his reelection bid this year. I mean not really. Construction or are they were there are has been on the manifest ruling party for several years even before drawing minister modi became the Prime Minister so i wouldnt. As i would like to heap everything about india and its future onto this war dick today because i sense that that the youth specially and a lot of people are fatigued and frankly i think that response has been mature outside t. V. Debates and outside you know t. V. Discussions their response has been mature the average indian is really really be worried about the core issue of the economy and unemployment this is a major factor and it is as oh sort of an attempt for closure it has enough to be critiqued about but i say that i think and i organized so that the Common People are in a sense relieved there is some skepticism there is and i do you dont wait and watch it when the north can do that tell you there is nothing to celebrate today let the construction bigoted all right hindu just get a ticket on a on that note weve got to leave a thank you to all of you come out for okie violating and sanjay again thanks very much for being on inside story and thank you as always for watching around me can see the program again any time by visiting our website address here dot com and for further discussion you can go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. J. 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