A transactional arrangement you need to pay us to defend you well decide later if that security guarantee is is good if you buy a lot of weapons so should we bring something its a hit toward you to use words quid pro quo but that has a transactional dimension to it to show americans that theyre getting something out of these commitments well i guess i think not only is there an enormous enormous amount of continuity in our Alliance Structure and i would argue kelly thats because it works in the Alliance Structures sustain because people feel like theyre giving the values to your point i mean when the data ive looked at in the polling is nato is actually more popular no more americans and its actually more popular among conservatives so there isnt really a kind of a run away from europe attitude in the American Public that i mean thats what the data is that. Part of it though i agree with you it is the. Rhetoric. Hey people need to pay up and have skin in the game because i think americans intuitively understand that collective defense is not defending you collective defense is that youre involved and that if you are in the game and you are participating youre actually a much more reliable partner so we look at for example that you know countries like poland which is capture the president s attention and which me makes me very hopeful about nato that heres a country on the front lines of nato that values even more the nato engagement and the u. S. Commitment and poland is increasing its defense expenditures. And i think i dont see a distinction between europe and china i think if theres one thing thats kind of a bipartisan consensus in the u. S. Is the rise of china is the stabilizing its what the United States the president s taking that head on so i think strengthening the the Alliance Structure and partnerships in the middle east in europe in the asia pacific that makes sense to americans because what are we one the president to do to protect us against the people that could so global disorder and eventually come let me hold that thought there and lets run a clip of the president s comments during his inauguration we will reinforce old alliances and form new ones and unite the civilized world against radical islamic terrorism which we will eradicate completely from the face of the year. Rich let me ask you this because its something ive been struggling with and jim just just put it on the table which is china should this have been we will refer reinforce old alliances and form new ones and unite the civilized world against the stabilizing rise of china did we get distracted with the wrong task by overemphasizing radical islamic terrorism is the rationale for all the things we were doing when in fact theres a geo strategic threat to the United States as we see it thats on the china side where you have organized things differently its a some extent so you know after 911 everyone woke up and said oh my god we have not paid enough attention. Terrorism we took a holiday from history its all about counterterrorism now are waking up and saying its all about china its all about Great Power Competition why did we spend so much time in the middle east why do we do these Counterterrorism Operations and of course the answer is you have to protect the American People from terrorism you also have to protect the American People and their way of life and their economy from the kind of world that autocracies like china and russia seek to build so were not a Regional Power were not a one issue power weve got to do both at the same time and it depends on what the proportions are the president actually deserves some significant credit for the defeat of isis which you know if we were still watching americans you know being beheaded on t. V. And having attacks inspired in the United States we would be very focused on that its a good thing that we dont have to be as focused on it as we are now but it doesnt mean that we dont focus on it all and yes its true the chinese of britain free for a long time you have a little bit more of a sotto voce kind of approach to building up the alliances and partnerships in asia because if the United States were to go around and say ok country in asia youre with us or youre with china no country will make that stark decision but they quietly will align themselves more with our side than with china as an insurance policy and thats exactly what we want to signal to the al polity quite now i mean. Theres a really important point that i dont think should get lost or and and that you are i think youre right the start of the territory is more but the fact is the last 3 president s have fought islamist terrorism and i think logically nobody really is just that but the point about the great power couple i think is important because if you if you went back and he said bush what youre bad guy list hes going to go theyre all going to say terrorism but hes going to go china iran north korea and russia and you ask obama what youre bad guy list china north korea iran and russia and yes from what youre back godless i mean what we actually do its the say thats remarkable thats the 1st time since the end of the cold war where weve had across 3 president ial ministrations 2 different parties 3 very different president s essentially have a very similar threat perception. Jim tell you this whole thing about Vladimir Putin and his buddy and kim jong un i mean i just got to know what youre seeing the struggle that you all come on you know superficial calling it as if you know the most superficial criticism because if you actually look at our policies right north korea and other russia lets be honest i mean the reason why they talk to those guys are the North Koreans going to tables because those policies are pretty tough but in some ways tougher than obama can south korea trust what trump is going to do on north korea a lot more than the u. S. Can trust with South Koreans could to a great but this is the question right when the president says that he cares about long range missiles shot from north korea that can hit the United States but doesnt care about short range or Medium Range Missiles look at it south korea japan if youre a south korean or japanese. You know a Government Official who is relying on the American Security guarantee that will make you worried now what happens if theres an actual attack who knows youre always in the realm of who knows but you look at the signaling up to that but you know jims point is is why we dont live in George Washingtons world he was a great man but that was 240 some years ago and there were european. Empires and he didnt want to get there so im just going fontayne says George Washingtons a little dated a little a little dated the powered way it was particularly the better question i want to deal with i want to tell you theres a run in north korea with allies on our side or without the noise that only those countries dont have a bit of help he was getting is something that a lot its a level but meet the discussion and i want to tip my hat to it because shes getting back at the question of what and why why are we doing what were doing in the world a lot of National Security decisions in this country in the United States are driven more by inertia than by planning and my in my view and i lived in japan i grew up on a military base in japan i saw 39 u. S. Military installations on okinawa and i would ask why are they there and you would see some of the irresponsible behavior of these of these leaders in the region over. Their history and whatnot they could do that because u. S. Forces were there so it raises the question of what were trying to achieve and would everyones behavior change if they counted on us less counted on the United States less kelly. And i agree with that entirely and unfortunately my magazine seems to be in the minority when were talking about these issues we have writers talking about all the time whether or not we need to get to to reduce our footprint and south korea for example for you advocating isolationism but its not isolationism because it is it is basically reducing our reliance on a military solution to every problem in globally were not talking about reducing our diplomatic entreaties were not talking about reducing the treaties we make or even the the trade involved the communication there were you know the alliances it is a matter of reducing our military footprint which in many cases has actually been an instigating factor in some of these hot spots that youre seeing and id just like to go back to the ticking off of the different. Enemies so to speak you know one of them is is terrorism and weve talked about isis but isis would not exist today if it wasnt for the invasion of iraq and i feel like when we have these medical stations about Foreign Policy we normally talk about in terms of old alliances and current threats but we dont talk about how we got there and we invaded iraq that was a complete there was a there was a conversation that washington was having but it was a foregone conclusion now we find ourselves there we created you know al qaeda in iraq which wasnt there before and then iraq al qaeda was diminished and what came up was isis so were talking about a threat that would have existed if we didnt make some of the Foreign Policy decisions and get into some of. Entanglements that we find ourselves in jim you live in your eye bro we would know how to fight world war 2 if we had won world war one and i mean you could play the historical game tonight and then pick a point where you want to blame somebody one is we could debate that all day long im not sure it gets us where the other thing is the reality in Foreign Policy is you are where you are maybe you dont like how you got here but it will shake your head all you want but were. Learning from our mistakes is that not is that something that we should expect from our legal. Regime here we should learn from our mistakes look it was always you know learn from our mistakes look at it and i dont believe any right thinking people are right so you know you are an authority and want rich well i think there is certainly a Different Group of people in power in that area than play rich so we are where we are and yes we should learn from mistakes that weve made in past decisions but the question now is are we better off doing x. Or doing why are we better off staying in syria in iraq and putting pressure on isis are we better off leaving and not doing that the idea of fair validate the president no no no killing no i mean look at all the people that he looked and look who he thing to think the troops are on the ground he thanked our intelligence partners and think you know i mean without partners allies and troops on the ground weve not been able to carry out that mission so maybe it would be better if we didnt carry out the mission baghdad was alive today i think it would not be but thats the kind of costs you absorb if you if you make those sorts we have just a few minutes i want to ask each of you a question because we havent brought it up it hasnt come up in this discussion but your former boss senator john mccain would not have allowed this discussion due to take place without discussing mentioning americas commitment to the human rights needs of others in the world and so we have a discussion so in this discussion where should human rights fit or not fit have we moved beyond that i think its a huge well i think on its merits its a huge element of american Foreign Policy but its also comparative advantage for us to russia and china in this Great Power Competition want to build a world that is safe for their particular brand of autocracy theyre using technology and other means to export their own. Values and yet we have a very different view we should be defending our own democracies and we should be supporting the aspirations of democracies and human rights abroad because it gives a strategic advantage as well as being good on the merits you think were doing it while we do it to a greater a much larger less degree in the trump and the obama administrations in the high point in the Bush Administrations theres a happy medium that we need to sort of wobble towards because the state department do stuff the white house you know it differently well i mean you brought up a bomb administration and Obamas Administration had escalated the drone war more than the Bush Administration so the whole idea that he was promoting this sort of humanitarian and intervention sounds good but what how he was doing it whats killing others with killing other people in places like pakistan and somalia and other places which created more terrorists and we know that and that is part of learning from mistakes and jim im going to give you the final word i mean i think at some places some instructions go to great record i think theyve been great for advocating for the rights of citizens of it as well theyve been terrific on the rowing another areas like id like to see a stronger but america is always a nation of interests of values which which one do we then the answer is we try to advance both to the best of our capability and i think thats the right that fascinating conversation is great id like to thank you all for being with us Richard Fontaine c. E. O. Of the center for numerous American SecurityJames CarafanoVice President of the Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy at the Heritage Foundation and kelly playhouse executive director of the american conservative magazine thank you all so much for being with me. So what is the bottom line as the u. S. Continues to rearrange its alliances no ally could be blamed for not knowing which way is north america was joined at the hip with the kurds in syria the kurds who clobbered the Islamic State but today america hardly knows them and as for a human rights Trumps White House clearly hasnt made them a priority the value of being allied with america has simply plummeted allies cant count on the us to really stand by them in their dark times and thats the bottom line see you next week. You are the girls on the scandal looking for a rainy u. K. 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Mode of transport but it does become obsolete because. Our danger now has been given to the state of the railways its an aging system and most of the systems in fact are obsolete and theres pressure on the government to keep running more and more trains so they will be question marks as to how those people were able to board that train read cylinders and what could be in flammable material that is not security guards at a rate station so there were big question marks are directed this crisis or did particular tragedy could have been there were dead had they been more original and added a way station. Plans to violence in schools and universities in lebanon have been cancelled amid ongoing anti column and demonstrations Security Forces have cleared most of the violence sessions around the country continue they know father has moved from basement. What happened yesterday was that the daily life really was returning to normal schools universities were supposed to open today protesters left the streets after the Prime Minister saad. Announced his resignation but the protest movement was hoping that his resignation will be followed by a decision to create a new government a new government made up of technocrats people who are not affiliated with any Political Party in order to carry out much needed reforms and instead the Ruling Coalition remains stubborn they continue to cling on to power so that is one of the reasons why they returned to the streets but as you can see behind us a security presence across the country there are there. Are simply opening roads not allowing the protesters to continue to paralyze this country or to cripple of the movement they dont want the public life to be disrupted even the Lebanese Army in a statement was very very clear we are going to continue to allow you to peacefully protest that is your right but you have to protest in. Confined yourselves lets say in a Public Square so the armys Security Forces out in force opening roads but protesters remain just as determined to topple what they say is a ruling class which has been in power for decades a ruling class which has been corrupt and mismanaging the country. The israeli army has arrested a prominent palestinian politician during a raid on her home in the occupied west bank city of ramallah honey that as a former member of the Palestinian Legislative Council shes also a leading figure in the popular front for the liberation of palestine a party thats being bad by israel. 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