Sugarcoat our mistake we should at mit but what is good is that the a. N. C. Did at some point to listen to Civil Society and they did a tear to the will of the people and hence the many lives were saved. Or not note were going to shift to our audience whove been waiting here to come in. Here in the 2nd row thank you to mila publica while the state was being looted universities were being chronically underfunded and in 2015 in 2016 the fees must for movement shook the country and put this on the National Agenda many of us suffered injuries from Police Brutality at the time in fact some students were killed Benjamin Petilla was killed at u. T. By police how do you as an activist reconcile that the policing in south africa right now by the a. N. C. Is reminiscent of the policing and apartheid that you yourself were a victim of as an activist at the time thank you. I think when police have been brutal their law must take its course them as well and so we as government cannot be hippie with a bad elements among the Police Elements that still exhibit signs of really actually being more like the old order and therefore agri with you that where police are behaving brutally they should also be dealt with as criminals no one has been held accountable they add because i know with the meanest output lease we discuss these issues and in fact the easy program putting an eye on the conduct of the police themselves is a different minister of police to the one with the Swimming Pool video no yes its a new minister. Lets go to the back of the ring member lekha we find ourselves in what can be termed as the perfect storm as a nation in south africa and we find ourselves at a time that we deeply divided and were also all introspecting as a nation could you kindly share what your outlook is for south africa especially for young people and also what your message would be to potential Young Leaders to convince them to stay in south africa thank you whats your message to young leader stay in south africa. I think Young Leaders must know that south africa the future of our country in fact must be their consent they must be involved they must find forums where they must participate in different sectors where they can also contribute towards becoming active. Decision makers about their own future ok i said this trend were going to turn the corner you said the police in south africa have been heard a kind of my question is for the american incident on the 6th in the progress no one has been a broad account of that so what are you doing about it is there a growing culture of impunity in south africa hes asking about the american a massacre 201234 mine workers who were killed by police no ones been held to account for the 7 years later what are you doing told me what the Police Accountable now ill find out and ill. Say hold on the american massacre is a big story and i know it does not i find out more information im just saying i have to update my information but youre aware no one is being held to account for the killing of 34 people some of them were not to show up at that thats why i must find out i mean were pretty sure because we looked into 34 people i want to hold you know i know that i know how many people died very briefly the commissioner of police if you remember very carefully she was recalled from the position he. Saw something have happened while 34 people dead and someone got fired you said nothing of happened but i meant in terms of process im guessing he meant in terms of putting people in prison for killing people and shooting them in the back to the audience member asked about people going to prison youre aware that no Police Officer went to prison specifically for killing any of those 34 people is that wrong with that role im saying my own information needs to be updated. And if its updated and find out that nobody went to prison is that wrong do you think someone should have gone to prison. Because people were killed yes ok this gentleman in the brown jacket. In 2017 you said following the fall of Robert Mugabe in a military coup in zimbabwe one and im quoting your words when one member of the 1st family grace mugabe thinks he has the right to determine who should be thrown out of the ruling party. I think anybody you meant the military in this case has the right and responsibility to intervene now since 27 is simply a military Coalition Government has taken over in zimbabwe that when abductions shootings by the militant the street economic downturn and persistent risk of another coup my question is do you still think militaries have a responsibility to intervene in politics in light of these development did you support a military intervention in zimbabwe i thought it was great that vention was politically motivated it happened to be an initiative of military people. Was a coup was it a military coup because it was the military then i guess who will do but im saying there was a crisis is easy and folding in zimbabwe do you think it was better for that i think that intervention helped zanu p. F. Ok were going to go back to sort of go to the back gentlemen the glasses there my grandmother and mother kit to care for in c. K. Does and taught them how to create an Education System in our area they remember. I was one of the people with the open border policy in south africa who was able to become a doctor and a Rhodes Scholar here and i only became a citizen in south africa a month ago and i am deeply hurt that people like me have no future in the country because we are seen as being zimbabweans and nigerians who conduct crime. How can i tell my girlfriend to come back to south africa with me to contribute for a future can you please take this opportunity to think about your views with your heart when people like my grandmother thought for your liberation in south africa not knowing when it would come ok. Thank goodness it is exactly because as the a. N. C. Weve been thinking with our hearts that we are in the problem that we have where we were hoping it will work for us all to live together in our communities and like where we lived in in the refugee camps when we were in other countries and unfortunately it has not wet and what we are saying is let us down to gather with you and your girlfriend and talk about the reality. Just today to challenge you saying you want to see it to use kind of quote unquote western lingo tougher border controls tougher migration policies less immigrants is that what youre trying to say we weve got to mind the truth coming into the borders like every country does every country does not just allow anyone to come in without proper documents and come and do as you like but worried about going on here about scapegoating immigrants for stuff and. Breaking laws of that kind very very which we dont allow. Very briefly because it was very poorly step to point what im hearing because this this means that south africa will never be developed because if we as South Africans are going to take an exceptionally stiff you that means we will never be able to integrate our economies south africa in chinese tents its just a village where only 56000000 people and i think we ought to begin to think a product than just thinking of south africa is a Little Island in exceptional terrace. Come to the general and then were going to the general. Good evening i just want to ask you why is it so difficult for any cigar meant to solve a live issue problem in your country because the 2 percent of farmland is owned by white minority thats where the problem is which you are facing right now is going to be a time bomb. It is a problem. We with you we must deal with it we have not been great at it in the past 2 decades or 2 and a half decades and we asked seized with it right now. President of a poster named kenneth consisting of 50 percent of women so do you think in the next decade maybe well have a woman president thank you. I hope so. Do you want to throw your hat in the ring or young and ok. So an article in 2017 by biz news referred to the government as a organized Crime Syndicate and levels of criminality in the government have reached such stages where they have resulted in a breaking down of moral and social fiber of the country and Violent Crime has flourished to stream levels with is on average 56 murders and 100000 rapes every single day my question is because this seems to be a theme of denial both here tonight and not taking responsibility for anything what responsibility do you take as a Senior Member of the a. N. C. I think we cant blame the problems of south African Society on the a. N. C. Creamy nally has been in south africa for more than 3 centuries especially after the colonial days came and brought cry from the euro to africa and so you can say they. Brought hold of me now youre sitting in the u. K. Lets be clear the British Empire did do exactly what you just said but they did to a lot of countries why is it south africa has the 5th highest murder rate in the world in 2015 im wondering. The United Nations you. Know the one so what ok it was a no you know world bank were way over on times its going to be the last question i hope its a really good one no pressure. From a speaker welcome to the space my question is in light of worries of africa finds itself in both politically economically and socially. How do you see your role in the facilitation of the erosion of Public Institutions in south africa and what would you have done differently that is a good question. I have no me outside of the collective that is my home politically you know i do decently as an individual that is you could have done anything differently over the last i dont have a person on space to do things you know personally as an individual really no ok one last question for me chris harney the anti apartheid icon who was killed 26 years ago he said in october 1992 what i fear is that the liberators emerge as elitists who drive around in Mercedes Benz is and use the resources of this country to live in palaces and gather riches was he rather prophetically describing the south africa of 292228 certain extent as weve been finding out about the kinds of things that some of us some of our own people have been doing and i am saying. Its not a bad thing that that is coming out is actually a good thing because then only can we address it on that note misspoken better well have to leave it there thanks to our audience here in the oxford union thanks to our panel of experts here and thank you to you for joining us head to head back next year thanks for watching at home thank you thank. You. 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And sport holders new zealand storming to the Rugby World Cup semifinal the all blacks ireland to set up a meeting with england in the last for. Now britains Prime MinisterBarak Johnson is urging politicians. An extraordinary session of parliament to support his new brags that deal hes described the agreement with the e. U. As one that can heal the rift in british politics says theres no reason for any more than lay getting the deal passed will be difficult Opposition LeaderJeremy Coleman says its even worse than the previous deal and peace rejected 3 times so those who agree like mean the brics it must be delivered and who like me prefer to avoid a new deal outcome must abandon the delusion that this house can delay again and i must tell the house in all candor that there is very different appetite our friends in the e. U. For this business to be protected by one extra day. He has renegotiated their Withdrawal Agreement and made it even worse. Renegotiated the political declaration and made that even worse were having a debate today on a text to which there is no Economic Impact assessment and no accompanying legal advice this government has sought to avoid scrutiny throughout the process and yesterday evening made empty promises on workers rights and the environment. So lets look at the numbers in westminster then how Boris Johnson might get is agreement over the line well all 287 conservative m. P. s are expected to vote in favor including the 28 members of the hardline euro Skeptic Group the r g meanwhile the liberal democrats Scottish National party the Welsh Nationalist Party and minor parties plus independents are set to vote against it crucially the 10 m. P. s from northern irelands d u p insists they will not support the deal then theres the labor party most of its 230 m. P. s are expected to go against johnson so who does the Prime Minister need to win then well theres the 23 former conservative m. P. s who now sits as independents including the 21. 00 rebels who were expelled last month for voting against the government on briggs it then theres also a small group of labor m. P. s from leave voting constituencies whove expressed a desire to back a deal and could vote with the government when a man will speak to him hayward shes in the Industrial Town of how rory chalons is in london where thousands of protesters are demanding a new referendum but 1st lets speak to Andrew Symonds hes outside parliament in westminster were getting close to crunch hour any sign at this point as to whether he has the numbers andrew. Well you said them out there sammy they are complex and they dont flow they switch with the moment really and weve just been hearing from sammy wilson from the do you play the Democratic Unionist Party vowing that his party will back the all of the let when amendment thats an amendment that could throw the whole vote into a delay process because it would turn things around effectively insisting on legislation 1st followed by the vote from parliament it could even take things into a different time frame with the Prime Minister having to go write a letter to brussels the seasonings saturday evening by 11 oclock to extend the deadline it is possible to do this is a possibility but the position is this that the passions are really hard you can see not only from the atmosphere in parliament but also outside with the crush of demonstrators insisting that they should be able to vote in a referendum thats going on in Parliament Square right now youll be hearing later from rory on that but the position in parliament is that the debating is carrying on its running on the much later than people have thought john bercow the speaker 1st of all gave a 5 minute deadline for m. P. s its in their addresses now thats come down to 3 minutes im going to get straight to our expert here Political Research fellow from the. The research thats Research Fellow from what a powerful think tank all new york change in europe jill whats your prediction of whats going to happen are these very difficult because as every says its very finely balanced what you were just saying about the d u p pretend shes supporting the let win amendment means that probably is more likely to succeed than we thought earlier looks like they might have to face that a lot will depend on how all those in depend. Conserves the people that Boris Johnson expelled from the conservative party back in september how they vote one of them is in the case you wont let win amendment but we dont know how theyre splitting so it matters or not and it matters how many of the people the labor people who would backwards johnsons deal actually decide that theyre not going to win amendment either even though ok ripping in favor of it so we just dont know so thats the mechanics what are the actual facts on the ground the that the research thats being done on the economic prospects for this deal the fact that this deal is come through very quickly is there a level of anxiety thats justified about people not being able to absorb exactly what the implications are for this i think the 2 real concerns one of which is the government hasnt produced an Economic Analysis to accompany this proposal you could say well thats actually because really what matters is the Economic Analysis the long term relationship this isnt setting out long term relationships this is just about an orderly withdrawal and i think every business every Economic Congress would agree that an orderly withdrawal is better for the economy than a disorderly withdraw at least in a very short run so the governments under criticism for that but the other thing is there are lots of really interesting and very difficult provisions in the withdraw agreement bill and m. P. s have not seen up there yet and sometimes legislation gets published in draft this bill most of which has been around for a long time because most of the Withdrawal Agreement is the same as with your agreement the trees im a negotiated m. P. s have no chance to get any of how the government intends to put this into u. K. Law so they were saying actually trying to rush a big bill like that through in 34 common sitting days even if they sit all night is not the way to treat a major constitutional piece of legislation thank you very much indeed joe and for now will become what you later im sure jill but for now back to you in the studio so many thanks andrew lets continue this though now with rory chalons in london where thousands of people are marching out on the streets rory there on. Upset with how things have been going ever since briggs it the 1st vote took place what is their message to parliamentarians now as they consider this forest johnson deal. Or the message is Pretty Simple its the parliamentarians m. P. s in the house of commons of the moment should vote down Boris Johnsons deal they think that this is a terrible deal they thought that the reason mays deal was terrible as well in general everyone here thinks is a bad idea and that the best way forward the best way of solving the divisions in Britain Society is to go back to the people with another referendum another vote where they could be asked once more whether they think leaving the European Union is a good idea because for most of the polls that have been done over the last couple of years it seems like Public Opinion very slightly has edged back into the remaining camp that most people in the country by a small margin would prefer to stay in the European Union and therefore they think that if the people are asked again particularly if its a 3 way decision if you get on the ballot paper of a referendum or a strong sense deal or no deal or staying in the European Union that that would split the brick city of votes and that the remain would come out on top. Chalons there thanks for that lets cross over now and the north of england over to hole thats where ever hayward joins us live from now on a very different perspective on things for many people there than those who are out on the streets where rory is. How much support is there for this deal. Where people have told us that they want the deal to be passed today that they wanted to get across the line and you ask people about break and the way the voted back in 26 saying 2 thirds of people in whole voted to leave and most people you speak to say they put the cross in the box that that was to leave and that they stand by that decision and in their eyes democracy needs to be done and needs to leave the e. U. They say that politicians should really be focusing on other issues apart from bricks and that being Health EducationLiving Standards and the britain really needs to move on of course not everybody here voted out we spoke to remain sometimes theyre hard to find here he said hes concerned that what he called the price that mess could be left to the Younger Generation to pick up. The story about the thousands of people who are out on the streets of london that its very divisive in the u. K. You could go not very far from here to york and you get a very different viewpoint from what you get in how. Thanks for. Plenty more still ahead on the news hour including whats behind the widespread anger in chile thats forced the government to declare a state of emergency we report from Northern Iraq on the plight of thousands of syrians who fled the turkish offensive and its called the new york yankees breathed a sigh of relief in the major league bios and later in the show. Now a 3rd day of protests are growing in size in lebanons capital to demand what demonstrators are calling a revolution Prime Minister saad hariri is accused rival groups in the government of blocking his reforms hes given them 72 hours to find a solution at least 2 people have been killed in demonstrations pushing for political change in reforms to reduce the cost of living the leader of hezbollah says he doesnt want the government to resign well not pay our well now act we have more options there are choices that we can take and proposals ideas that we discussed before in the cabinet and we need to make it clear its wrong to see that the government