A half years ago and m. P. s have been debating this for that amount of time so i dont think any of the ideas in there are particularly new or will be that challenging for m. P. s to understand and i think this this kind of ties into the frustration that people do of course in the u. K. Do feel with members of parliament in terms of their you know actually being able to agree a way forward but actually being very good at what showing what they dont agree with and what they want to oppose i think this is part of the thing to look out for and part of the problem for the votes on saturday you know theres lots of opposition m. P. s invitees saying theyre going to vote it down but actually thats only half the story you what is the kind of parliamentary sweet spot almost where where were the numbers actually agree in coalesced to show people including our e. U. Partners what will get through parliament and when louis was talking about an extension and. I think probably you know some kind of technical extension i can see happening will be quite sensible but i think even from the e. U. Side giving an extension is not a blank check you know the e. U. Have been marched twice up this hill now of agreeing a deal with the u. K. Government for it to be voted down and lets see what happens tomorrow im just not sure we can keep on going back to the drawing board without you getting a sense from parliament as to what will actually work and what will get through not just what we dont want to do well talk about extensions well into a little bit later in the program just because i want to sort of bring in you talk about all the hurdles that have to be jumped in i think also is aware of these hurdles but if i go back to alan wager in london i mean there are other elements at work at the moment you have the s. N. P. In scotland table in yet another motion with the within the high courts about an immediate extension to the october 31st deadline and youve got an empty brick city and bricks of campaign joyland more also in the scottish courts saying that the division in this deal of the the Great Britain part of the deal and the separation of Northern Ireland cannot constitutionally be allowed so youve got these in the act was the act of 2018 the cross border trade act these are still mind fields for Boris Johnson because he has to keep an eye over his shoulder as to whats happening in scotland at a certainly he knows how the politicians in Northern Ireland feel about this deal. So its true to say that theres divisions across the country on on the deal but i think as we get towards. What is essentially a political decision the role of the courts and the role of legal Decision Making is going to have to subside this is going to be ultimately a decision about politics in the house of commons and as most people need to make some making some decisions about what they want Going Forward so thats why i am peace hope to give Boris Johnson a clean vote on his deal to. Can it get through parliament or not and then thats where the other campaigners say that it has been failed and tried and failed to get a deal through the house of commons 33 in our 4 times really then other options such as referendum can be put forward but this is potentially Boris Johnsons 11 time shot at getting a deal through the 3000 commons so the deal scenario weve set in stone here inside story. Give us a sense really of the political thought in brussels and maybe with the european colleagues your speaking to about you know how exasperated or how happy or how confused they are with the way this whole breaks that process has started may be may end this weekend because as far as yoko was concerned of the 1st day it was its really is the end of the road for him because there is a new transition of c. The a european politicians coming to take over from the likes of john claude younger and his team. Well it may be the end of the line for drunk low dmca but its certainly not the end of the line for the entire except close as i think im quite the opposite were really only Getting Started because lets not forget that the Withdrawal Agreement was supposed to be the easy bit the much more difficult bit the negotiations about a trade agreement the future relationship thats total follow and i think thats going to keep everyone very very busy over the next few years but to give you a sense i think that is a lot of this baby excess full ration i think god so in the e. U. 27 i think there was a lot of dismay about the u. K. s decision to leave because it has a very important part in a fun many for all of the. You must say its. Very it brings a lot to the table especially in security and defense so i think it has a real loss for the e. U. At the same time i mean of course this flows us house dropped out quite a bit its i think a lot of people thought that it might go a bit more smoothly and that there would be less of a lot of from the u. K. Side so i think the house been a sudden exasperate in about the way that the u. K. Government has handed these notice ca sions and also i think and one of the u. K. s in a way. Im decisiveness. So is syria i think its its a little bit of both dismay at the excessive delays in mix alan did it in terms of the research that you do with the way that british people feel about the 2060 referendum the 3 year process that we sort of lady coming to. The way they feel about bricks it right now what is the thought process because various. Polls give barriers opinions about where people stand the way they did vote the way they might vote the way they could vote so if you also more it will in the street do you want bricks it be done than to be a more than a. It is a absolutely want to get breaks it down and move on to other things but when you dig a little bit deeper and ask do you want your preferred outcome do you want your 2nd my friend and do you want your. Set or whatever people do is to have really really strong preferences and ideas about what they want and people are still really really divided on these bricks and options so we say a small majority in favor of remaining in every single poll has been conducted in the last couple of years but again huge divisions in the country about what breaks it should mean so. Although although people are exasperated by bricks it although people who are sort of are a bit since he is by the whole breaks in process it is really defining peoples politics and defining politics in britain indeed lets give our International Viewers a little bit more background to that because of course a majority of britons voted to leave the e. U. As weve been discussing in that referendum 3 years ago 52 percent of voters back to leave 48 percent to remain polling surveys over the past month suggest that voters havent really changed their minds 86 percent would repeat their choice to leave while the 88 percent to back to remain say they do so again so therefore most who say that leads me perhaps neatly to a potential hypothetical general election and of course during the referendum itself issues of immigration were high on the agenda as were health those issues i would say are have disappeared but have moved to one side because we weve had more debate on the irish border the backstop trade investment even finance are we going to go back to those very hot issues that raise temperatures in and around the United Kingdom if we head to another election would brek see it as the main one and only topic of discussion for another action. I think we were and i think to extent thats already happening you know the u. K. Government for the last few months under Boris Johnson has been talking a lot about domestic priorities like the National Health service like Education Funding like more police on the streets because the people around him who are campaigners know that this is the kind of bread and butter these are the bread and butter issues that people will vote for and people care about so yes breaks it you know will still define there are other things as well and there is a sense of bandwidth being taken up by breaks you know when i was in government in the home of is a lot of our time was focusing on breaks in relation to related issues to the detriment of other things that we could have been getting on with as well and thats the case for colleagues and former colleagues in all other Government Departments so breaks it has been taking a lot of time and thats why you keep on hearing this kind of get briggs it done mantra so then people can focus on the other things that they want to see improved and unit things that affect their day to day lives so i think this is very much the election for ting and i also think actually in terms of getting the deal through on saturday the optics are just as important as the substance here so yes the u. K. Government and the e. U. Have you know let it be known they worked very hard to get this deal through and i think the government definitely wants this to pass but if it doesnt pass it actually gives the u. K. Government another reason to try to highlight parliaments inability to actually agree or decide a way forward and actually then push for an election again which people in the government are not against so it could be kind of a win win situation in terms of that word used that was very interesting bandwidth used within the talking in government corridors certainly breaks it has taken that much of the band with within the e. U. Because it has other things to worry about other things. Wants to complete and it has been distracted for 3 years with bricks if we talk about accession to the e. U. There are 2 countries North Macedonia ukraine who want to join also this talk about the European Army hasnt really been discussed in depth because brecks it has taken so much more time leaders in europe really do want to try and find an end game to this journey so they can get on with business. Oh absolutely i mean. Of course all there was the things you just mentioned that has been less progress than the might have been without breaks it to our top talent as for that you really would dissolve more attention than theyre currently getting like migration. The slowing economy and several countries including johnny and also that use relations with actors like the us. Tacky at the moment so the way they are a lot of issues i think are completely overshadowed by beck said but at the same time. I think rex it. Also given the news some new impetus so for example on the fence corp it is quite i mean im not entirely sure that the e. U. Would have gone asked 5 in starting. A new program a new sort of ineffective to cooperate test for the promise for fed cooperation if it hadnt been for the your tastes vote to leave so its a bit. Yeah its quite its not a very clear picture in this regard but definitely effects that is overshadowing a lot of other topics indeed very briefly at the end of the program because the people youre speaking to the people that you do your research with in terms of the dare i say boredom factor tired factor just hard enough factor you know the brits at heart you know really great people who are going to vote they dont like elections whether its local National Even european where do you think the british people will stand when it comes to this election and this particular topic as a top electoral issue to get his deal 3000. 00 commons then that completely changes the political picture if he fails and hes attempting a deal that hasnt got it through that is hugely exposed to drugs or for raj breaks apart the germy code so this vote tomorrow will come to define the Electoral Choice that the that. That people make in the next in the next few months is going to be a really really important likes it it provides the context about whether we have finished in some sense whether its still a lie this year in that election and that will complete a fine weapons indeed we shall see what happens in the house of parliament think globalize will be on less at least on saturday to all of my guests mo hussein lisette bruta and alan wager thanks very much for joining us on the this edition of inside story and thank you for watching as well of course you can see the program again any time by visiting our website at aljazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash inside story it also join the conversation on twitter handle is that a. J. Inside story and im also so underscored from me and the inside story team thanks very much for your time and your company. 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Now british Prime Minister barak johnson as politicians in an extraordinary session of parliament to support his new break that deal hes described the agreement with the European Union as one that can heal the rift in british politics says there is no argument for more delays getting the deal over the line will be difficult Opposition LeaderJeremy Colvin says its even worse than the previous the overnight just such a rejected 3 times. So those who agree like me the bricks it must be delivered and who like me prefer to avoid a new deal outcome must abandon the delusion that this house could delay again and i must tell the house in all candor that there is a very different appetite or friends in the e. U. For this business to be protected by one extra day. He has renegotiated the Withdrawal Agreement and maybe even worse. Hes renegotiated the political decoration and made that even worse were having a debate today on a text to which there is no Economic Impact assessment and no accompanying legal advice this government has sought to avoid scrutiny throughout the process and yesterday evening made empty promises on workers rights and the environment. Protesters have begun gathering on the streets of lebanons capital beirut as the call for political change grows at least 2 people were killed during fridays rallies Prime Minister saad hariri is giving rival groups in his government 72 hours to find a solution has been lost secretary general has not addressed the political crisis saying the group doesnt want the government to resign now ok yeah well now we have more options there are choices that we can take and proposals ideas that we discussed before in the cabinet and we need to make it clear its wrong to see that the government has no other choice than imposing taxes if we call parade give priority to the economic state will be able to save our country we dont want the government to resign if it does it will take one or 2 years to form a new one and the economic crisis will worsen. Catalans probably independence leader has called for talks with the Spanish Government following a day of violent protests on friday demonstrators angry at jailing of separatist leaders for their role in catalonia 1002 years ago at least 60 people were injured in the riots on the go go from barcelona. Or just in front of the exterior of the Spanish NationalPolice Headquarters this was the site really where the troubles started last night between the rioters and the Law Enforcement officials here as well it was a trick a point the police had managed to push the crowds all the way up to the top of the street water cannon had been deployed for the very 1st time here in the region now what we have been seeing this morning. And the session. Coming out in front of the Police Station these are people who were against any idea of the seating problems theyve been turning up lording the police. Force they will. Counselor said that it was give us a break now thank you. All right thank you and all this building has become a flashpoint the violence that were seeing. Now the truce in Northern Syria is largely holding despite accusations from both Kurdish Forces and turkey of violations turkish president or edge of tiber to one has warned the offensive will resume within minutes if kurdish rebels dont abide by the terms of the 5 day ceasefire mozambiques Main Opposition Party or namo is rejecting the preliminary results of choose days general election which says the rooting for limo party is headed for a major victory European Union observers are raising concerns about reports of ballot stuffing at some polling stations. Those are your headlines the news continues after head to head stay with us on aljazeera. The world watched as Nelson Mandela head of the African NationalCongress Party the a. N. C. Ushered south africa out of apartheid and into a democratic era where here our determination the beard. Off which it. Can be proud of. But while the new constitution guarantees equal rights to all after 25 years of a. N. C. Rule south africa is now the most unequal country. Critics say one common denominator looms large corruption. My guest tonight has played a key role in south africas modern history. From the time fighting apartheid to her role as south Africas Deputy president a. N. C. And speaker of the national assembly. Presiding over what has been called the period of chaos in. Your certain folks that i now know the detective on a number of my name my you out. Such as the a. N. C. Betrayed mandelas legacy or will new president Cyril Ramaphosa set it back on the right track i made the house and ive come here to the oxford union to go head to head with bullock and bet a scowl successfully she thinks the a. N. C. Transition from a Liberation Movement to a ruling party and whether critics are right to say that it demands loyalty to itself above the country. Ill also be joined by Andrew Feinstein former South African politician and author of off to the party a personal journey inside and see hes. Director of corruption watch u. K. A cozy koza known as an Anti Corruption politician who resigned from the n. C. In 2017 after calling for then president zuma to step down and call on the founder of south African Business abroad and member of the a. N. C. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome mr blecher and better. Returning from exile the embattled became secretary general of the a. N. C. Womens league and rose through the ranks of the African National congress to become one of the partys top picks because. I. Its been 25 years since the end of apartheid theres no doubt the country has come a long way in that time but at the same time the sad reality many would say is that the past decade of a. N. C. Rule has been a lost and wasted decade hasnt no because for me even every difficulty every mistake everything is a lesson and therefore an opportunity to do better so it hasnt been a lost decade you know because thats the view of Cyril Ramaphosa the current a. N. C. President of south africa called it a lost and wasted decade i dont agree but he isnt just the president whos others have gone much further than him the Nelson Mandela foundation has talked about the systematic looting that has taken place in south africa Archbishop Desmond tutu said as far back as 2011 that the a. N. C. Was quote worse than the apartheid government because he said at least you were expecting it with the apartheid government its pretty damning. In there remember that moment when the shop said that and when we need team he doesnt really sound like that im saying maybe. The wrong things have happened yes people have done wrong things but that doesnt mean its on lost its all the a. N. C. Will be remembered for fighting for racial equality. But in economic terms when we talk about inequality the World Bank Says that south africa today is the most unequal nation on earth thats a pretty embarrassing title for your country to hold as a must see it is very harsh but i wonder whether its not an exaggeration i really think that we must see both good and bad it can be said by the world bank the world bank is not god and therefore just because they have said it i mean there is not between god and the world. Those are extremes. There are an institution of study of all im not sure they are some south africa they are all human beings and your country came bottom they not human beings i dont you know if that their verdict is now i dont believe so and we must keep improving on what we discover is the weakness that we have is corrupt and one of those big weaknesses corruption is one of the reasons why we have the commission that is going on where we are saying let it all come out because we need to know what is wrong how wrong it is who did what your acting like you were a passer by or an observer you were in the thick of all of this you know in the a. N. C. You were the chair you were the speaker in parliament you were the Deputy President this happened on your watch these questions so for example back in 2017 your n. C. Colleague provin gordon was sucked as finance minister by then president jacob zuma he said at the time 152250 1000000000 rand or 11. 00 to 15000000000. 00 u. S. Dollars had been looted from the state why didnt you speak out at the time and join with him to call out that looting ours right maidie and we were discussing this. Issues every t. At that time with seized with them that is why we decided we need for these things to be investigated and we need for it to happen publicly in the open so that we get to know what exactly is the problem youre removing that no one knew anything that were just discovering this not the state capital whats called state capture in south africa this idea that associates of the president and other powerful people took over Utility CompaniesEnergy Companies state institutions that happened in full view of everyones eyes actually know what things were not happening in view of everybody finance minister there are many issues im learning for the 1st time in the past few months in terms of corruption in terms of how bad things were something that happened we dont need an investigation because ive been lots of investigations was the scandal involving then president zuma zone a state. Homestead where nearly 23000000. 00 u. S. Dollars or 246000000. 00 round of taxpayers money was spent on what president zuma described a security upgrades which included a Swimming Pool and then. Im curious what kind of security was the Swimming Pool providing the event president of south africa where a minister was in charge of that investigation and in his view that was not as we mean this is the Police Minister the president there then he put out a video to Classical Music in which he described the Swimming Pool as a Fire Prevention measure. He did. Thats their part to according to you and you accepted that