A deeply political question and with next months general elections ahead all sides will be vying for voters rather than resulting the cattle in question sony vaio aljazeera barcelona. The u. S. Ambassador to the European Union is next in line to testify in the ongoing impeachment inquiry against donald trump and 6 pecked at the Gordon Sunderland will be questioned about Text Messages from the u. S. Ambassador to ukraine discussing trumps effort to pressure ukraine to investigate his rival joe biden on tuesday a former Senior Adviser to u. S. Secretary of state mike pompei or was the latest person to testify Michael Mckinley was quizzed for 5 hours by house committees after abruptly resigning last week meanwhile donald trump has been asked about whether hes concerned that his former National Security adviser could testify at that impeachment inquiry its been revealed that john bolton described trumps personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani as quote a hand grenade whos going to blow everybody up in relation to his alleged backchannel activities in ukraine. John bolton i get along well with him some people didnt some people didnt like john bolton i actually got along with him pretty well. It just didnt work out i dont know that he got along with Rudy GiulianiRudy Giuliani who is seeking out corruption and what happens mostly in the 26th election because there was tremendous corruption in the 2016 election now at least one person has been killed in mozambique as police try to disperse a crowd at a voting station after polls closed in tuesdays election ballots are now being counted although activists say there have been several incidents of vote tampering malcolm webb has more from the capital on the puter. The voting materials have been brought from the polling stations to counting centers like this one here are the ballot boxes that voters had placed their ballot papers into and the ballots from each polling station of being counted and put into metal boxes like this there were more stacked up on this side and this counting center there were more than 140 polling stations worth of materials and here the officials are preparing the final reports that not everyone is happy with how the process has gone the center for Public Integrity is one of several organizations thats monitoring the elections its reported violence from dozens of polling stations and one case a province where a crowd disputing the count started throwing stones producer responded firing people burning tires outside and all the coffers and happened there according to our service on the ground which are local people there where 5 people were shot dead by guns and one of them unfortunately died. Opposition of complained of pretaped ballots some observers say they were blocked from polling stations and counting centers. The Electoral Commission says none of the irregularities are significant enough to affect the result and police havent confirmed any deaths. Generally the election process was peaceful and tranquil we urge the people to remain calm and peaceful and wait for the information being broadcast. And the media. People in mozambique cant just waiting for counting and results to be announced but also waiting to see if this is an electoral process that they can trust. At least 35. 00 foreigners have been killed in saudi arabia after their bus collided with an excavator saudi media says the passengers were pilgrims of arab and asian descent had happened about 170 kilometers from the dina home to one of islams most holy sites. Hello im mr in doha with the headlines high level u. S. Delegation is on its way to turkey hoping to convince the turkish president to call off his offensive in northeastern syria its believed Vice President mike pence and secretary of state mike pompei o will try to broker a cease fire meanwhile Turkish Forces and kurdish fighters continue to battle in the border town of russell and considered a Strategic Point for both Syrian Forces moving north of also become a major obstacle for taki Northern Islands d. V. D. Has said it cannot support the current threats that plan being worked on by british Prime Minister baraks johnson and the e. U. The do you piece statement comes just hours ahead of a key summit in brussels on the u. K. s exit from the law hong kong leader kerry lamb has been shouted down for a 2nd consecutive day in the Territories Legislature opposition members protested in the chamber and called for her to step down at least 10 people were moved by security cameras trying to answer questions regarding her annual policy address. The president of spains catalonia region kim tura has called for an immediate end to violence thats rocked bosler in a night the protest was sparked by the jailing of 9 separatist leaders on monday over their role in catalonia is failed independence bid 2 years ago tourist says the riots harming the image of the separatist movement. France and germany have reached an agreement on exports rules for their joint military programs but they remain that olds are the saudi arabia germany has agreed not to block french exports to 3rd countries so long as the equipment is made with less than 20 percent of german components germany banned exports to saudi last year over its role in the war in yemen and the murder of janice Jamal Khashoggi president Emmanuel Macron has defended frances decision to continue sending weapons there the Us Ambassador to the European Union is next in line to testify in the ongoing impeachment inquiry against donald trump its expected that Gordon Sandland will be questioned about Text Messages from the u. S. Ambassador to ukraine discussing trumps effort to pressure ukraine to investigate his rival joe biden on tuesday a former Senior Advisor to u. S. Secretary of state mike pompei and with the latest person to testify Michael Mckinley was quizzed for 5 hours by committees well those are the headlines do join me for more news here on aljazeera off to the stream stay with us. Didnt the u. S. Treasury or just a few months ago say that no child should we bring the stories and developments the dramatically changing. What someone is a buyer see. On 00. A year in the stream whats the danger of facial Recognition TechnologyCivil Liberties groups a privacy shouldnt trump protection but government and police argue that attack ensure safety but do you think. Today will look at how major cities are taking very different approaches to facial recognition and explore how the Chinese Government is using this technology to track citizens but 1st how does facial recognition even work check out this clip from a documentary i filed for a. J. Plus. Facial Recognition Software creates data points that compare facial features databases are built from drivers licenses mug shots and surveillance video. The initial technology was developed in the 1960 s. Today its replacing fingerprinting and police line. Facial recognition databases used by Law Enforcement in the u. S. Including 117000000 adults thats one in 3 americans. In San Francisco california is widely known as attack but last week city officials voted to ban the use of facial recognition by police and other Government Agencies proponents of the tax say it could help prevent or solve crimes but critics contend these systems are prone to error pointing to cases in which they appeared biased against women and people of color if adopted widely they argue facial recognition could be abused to target rights activists or marginalized communities. Here with us to unpack the debate mab cagle serves as a technology and Civil Liberties attorney at the american Civil Liberties union of Northern California and london Silkie Carlos the director of big brother watch an organization tackling issues related to privacy and technology and last but not least in new york city a little hey newman is a security reporter for wired she focuses on Information SecurityDigital Privacy and hacking welcome to the stream everyone so here i want to start with you you know we heard a little bit there in the intro from that clip i played that album kind of the basics of facial Recognition Technology but what is it and why does it seem so you pick with us today facial recognition they it was people to be identified in real time by surveillance cameras that most of which look like ordinary surveillance cameras and it completely changes the nature of placing so it enables the police potentially to identify and track thousands of people at any time which puts an awful lot of power in state hands and i think really rebalances the relationship between this isnt and the state so you know you said in your piece that its replacing fingerprinting with fingerprinting a Police Officer has to also. d fingerprint you have to have interaction they have to have probable cause some kind of purpose with facial recognition were all being subjected to this kind of a pecial Police Lineup were all being treated as suspects so really help us break this down just even a little bit further than it was an excellent definition from silkie there but just for our International Audience so when were talking about patient recognition what for you makes this even more chilling perhaps than c. C. T. V. And whats the difference between facial recognition and using some of the apps on our phone to either unlock our phone or to use facial recognition features on some of the apps we know and love. Yeah i think that pervasiveness as he says that comes from the fact that our face is just sort of out there in the world and were not necessarily choosing what sees it or what it interacts with you know when we use it in an app or to authenticate something that we intend or to go into a building that we want to go into or Something Like that you know its an interaction where were making a choice when were being sort of passively viewed through cameras that are placed in public or sort of semi you know Public Private spaces that were just moving through in our daily lives that that becomes kind of out of control where were just walking along and our faces like leading in front of us in this new way so matt what concerns that San Francisco lawmakers specific lee have when it came to racial recognition. Theyre concerned about a lot of whats already been said you know facial recognition Face Surveillance provides the government with an unprecedented power to track individuals and groups with hardly lifting a finger on the in terms of human effort you can i mean imagine a world where you step outside your door and the government instantly knows who you are where you are who youre sociate ing with us and even the expressions on your face whether whether its correct or its just a guess this is a dangerous signal and she and some cisco at the heart of innovation here recognize that this technology has dangers unknown dangers right now its inaccurate its dangerous and if its perfectly accurate its dangerous to our democratic rights matt so they stepped up in the act sorry i didnt mean to interrupt you i thought you were done but as you were talking i couldnt help but wonder as you were outlining all those things you know my i phone and apple knows all those friends and even just without the you know face i. D. Technology that exists but its not just lawmakers in San Francisco of course that are concerned sara rashid tweeted in saying i am for the ban not only is that and they said way to profile people but there is no Scientific Evidence that facial recognition has helped improve safety or deter criminal activity i would love to hear from you say ok after we watch this video from brian hoffer he sent to to us he is the man who drafted the law that banned San Francisco agencies of course from using this Technology Take a listen to what he said. I think we all intuitively understand the dangers of this technology that right now today it would be really reckless to use it because of its really high error rate but the bigger concern is actually long term that its going to become perfect surveillance that we will not be able to move about society freely i think it would obliterate our 1st amendment protections like the freedom of speech religious assembly and association i cant detach myself from my face i cant. Leave my house without my my my face and everywhere i go on oh no ill be tracked so here forgive me your name sounds so similar to me i meant to ask willie let me im curious your thoughts. Yeah i mean i think as you said theres just a really cumulative effect of this and i also really appreciate it mattes point that you know whether this technology succeeds in becoming highly accurate which it currently is not or whether it stays in the state that its in its really dangerous either way because youre either sort of potentially misidentifying people or having you know people get involved who are totally unrelated to something or the situation that we were hearing from in that clip where youre constantly correct being tracked so its kind of either way theres just this. Serious concerns so i want to posit something for all of you and for our audience on the flip side of this and get your thoughts on it so we reached out to a local Sheriffs OfficeSheriffs Office here in the us who their department is using facial recognition in the cloud you can take a look at this web site here recognition mission can be used to identify suspects quickly now this is the Washington CountySheriffs Office and they actually sent us a statement on what theyre using it for and how its gone for them and they say we can provide that facial recognition has been a successful tool for us and it has several Success Stories one thing to understand is the facial Recognition Software we use is not the deciding factor when identifying individuals if we input a picture of an individual and there is a result an investigator takes the information as a lead this is a human based decision not a computer based decision so when you hear this and you hear the explanation for why it might be necessary what do you make about. Well for starters we know that from recent reporting by the Georgetown Privacy Center that Many Police Departments are actually misusing a surveillance and facial Recognition Systems and that these systems dont make us safer so to build even a straightforward seeming Face Surveillance system you need to get hundreds of thousands of photos of innocent individuals who never consented to be part of the Face Surveillance data base and really right now as we would as other guests have said its inaccurate technology its biased technology against people of color and particularly women of color and many of the critical Public Safety benefits are theoretical but what we do know is that its its inaccurate and that departments are being transparent about how theyre using it there was a report recently in gizmodo that actually debunked some of washingtonians claims and found that theyre not even following amazons own guidance and its a very poultry week guidance theyre not even following that weak guidance and using the system that doesnt make anyone more safe. So i want to push on just a little bit here in this conversation and move on to the United Kingdom because police there and Police Department had been conducting 3 trials of facial recognition cameras or earlier this year metropolitan police in london find a man 90 british pound thats about 114. 00 when he protested having his picture taken say ok talk to us about this case because you actually bear you saw with your own eyes. Yeah it is it was really shocking and i think really speaks to. This new power imbalance that occurs when police have facial recognition. A man came out of the train station and saw a group of us standing with placards in the flats letting them know that the surveillance cameras in the area were actually facial recognition cameras and a very very small act of resistance he maybe pulled the bottom of his jumper of his chin and we had been told by playing to the place of asses he. Watching how people really were responding to us informing them of the facial recognition cameras so very quickly he was sweeps by a team of Police Offices they demanded to know why he had dead to cover his face they just wanted his id they really riled him and he was about aggravated d and they gave him a fine and this is sent chills across British Society actually has been the clip of what happened has been viewed millions of times online and i think people are now starting to wake up to whats happening in the u. K. With this technology and become outraged about it this trot socalled trial by the piece has been going on for 4 years now and weve been campaigning and were still campaigning for it to come to an end because this is incredibly undemocratic and democratic its incredibly on british to see a massive a and install like this raising peoples Civil Liberties and really changing the nature of sense of society and freedom in the u. K. You know matt its interesting weve outlined some of the dangers and you know a lot of people who are watching live on you tube right now are agreeing with you and also you know pointing to other things emery for example saying i think the technology on its own isnt the danger thing is its the intent of the people who are using it it could vastly improve our lives or turn our countries into Police States i just want to scroll down a little bit in this you tube chat he also goes on to say the same time the riches of Silicon Valley who are developing all these technologies are forbidding their own kids from using it so i think this is a sign that these technologies should be regulated your thoughts on that yes so 2 points 1st. These systems once theyre built and deployed the harm will be we will be able to reign the harm and thats exactly unfortunately what weve started to see him places like china history of surveillance histories around the United States and in other nations is a history of surveillance technologies being turned against people of color against activists and against immigrants we can fully expect governments to do the same with a Surveillance Technology and thats exactly why a coalition in sarah cisco not just of people who understand technology but 25 different organizations ranging from or exact represent immigrants rights to use Racial Justice to the homeless to even criminal defendants a Diverse Coalition is what came together here and said all of our lives depend on the freedom to walk down the street safely without being tracked all of our lives depend on the freedom to not be logged into a government database because were advocating for our own rights in this Democratic Society and so while census those leaders recognize that here in the heart of technology they need to play safeguards in place for new dangerous technologies what really drove this was the community and a Diverse Community and that sort of movement i think is really important point that is possible everywhere that is not just something that can happen here is there cisco and were already seeing the domino effect places here in california but also across the United States are considering similar similar bans lending and i think the idea and terms of you know potentially until it if our police saying is that perhaps there could be a way if the technology were Accurate Enough and if there were enough incidents sort of how these algorithms work and how decisions are being made in a really granular way at each stage that it might be possible to set limits on how you can sort of query one of these databases or years one of these services so you so police are able to sort of get their match or get their thing that they need without the cascading effect. But because as matt said once the systems are set up theyre there and theyre persistent its difficult to know how to set those parameters and i think thats why i was the advocates are calling for this sort of pause you know particularly within the u. S. This week but in general because there needs to be some time to sort of societal and as a Global Community to discuss how the use restrictions might be possible if there are possible so you you mentioned something that happened this week and so i want to let our audience in on its own when say the House Oversight and Reform Committee in the u. S. How the 1st hearing on Recognition Technology to examine the impact on civil rights and Civil Liberties i want you to have a listen to the founder of the organization Algorithmic Justice League and shes speaking to congress about the systems and this in this clip in particular caught on c. Span here in the u. S. Shes speaking to a representative of the standard. Take a look at this tweet and britain now the exchange here because its so interesting a. L. C. Starts with are algorithms the most effective on women some going to scroll down and have you listen to a little part of that. We need i heard your Opening Statement and we saw that these algorithms are effective to different degrees so are the most effective on women know are they most effective on people of color absolutely not are they most effective on people of different gender expression no in fact the exclude them so what different graphic is it mostly effective on white men and who are the primary engineers and designers of these algorithms definitely white men so so filthy here outside of the u. S. Where you can see what it is the discussion is and thats happening in the u. S. What do you make of this in these systems and the inherent bias is that some would say are built in. Its a big problem and it needs to be really carefully examined we have similar concerns in the u. K. But we have pressured the pace to do some independent testing of the algorithms theyre using in that you saying a Japanese Company would any see. And weve asked if they understand what price is like the inherent in the technology. And they have said basically that that that theyre not interested but theres also issues with what kind of what shifts of being put together as well so weve we 1st saw this technology being used that looking hill carnival which is a black british celebration in london. And thats what this surveillance you know it was that community that we used as guinea pigs for this today and its 2 years in a right which is just just incredible so its you know it was a matter of not any how biased. But the people that lisa talking with it but i also think that some of the Technology Issues ots have rolled right and i share other guests is that actually the better this becomes the more perfect a tool for oppression it becomes as well you know most definitely and you know its worth mentioning that you know i have a gauge of kind of how much our audience is responding to each show that we do here at the stream and this one has tons of twitter threads and tons of comments on you tube so i think you know its generally something that a lot of people are concerned about wondering how many of the questions are left unanswered very quickly want to share history with you before we move on to our next portion of the show an organic african feminist saying what worries me the most is that were asking what can we do a question about developing new technologies rather than also asking why are we doing this and what is motivating us to do this not asking the latter enables the facade of value neutrality that goes on into a very lengthy you know thread that you can check out on twitter of course for now though lets dive a little deeper into this conversation lets look at how the Chinese Government is using a sophisticated facial Recognition Network to track its own citizens with a focus on the minority we Muslim Community take a listen to this comment sent to us by cindy you a past guest on the show. Chinas you sufficient Ignition Technology fits into why do you know if its a 10 to rollout a nationwide criticism where every system is rated only trustworthiness based on information from data and yes it facial recognition in changing that way to seeing this way change will kiss up being recognized by cameras as they cross the road and then identity is displayed on big locals across the rage in chinas proud coach at this sort of public shaming can be very effective man when you you hear that from from her there i mean in chinas contacts is there a particular fare or is that are they taking this a step further i mean what can you have any content contextualize that for our audience. China should really serve as a lesson and instructive lesson of what the United States and other nations and frankly what the chinese Chinese Government should avoid one of the stories on the chinese use of this focus time mosque that previously years before before Face Surveillance had been bustling at prayer hours and now that mosque is desolate and deserted this just illustrates very clearly that showing a fact that happens when people know that going outside means having your face scanned your name logged into a government database and maybe your identity placed on a watch list for government agents but we would be fooling ourselves if we didnt think that the United States government had a history of turning surveillance technologies against these kinds of communities we have seen it with everything from license plate readers which scan vehicles to social media surveillance that the people who are disproportionately targeted by american governments and local and federal governments are people of color they are immigrants and weve seen black lives matter tracked and were seen ice the immigration and Customs Enforcement agency deployed these similar kind of tools right now so its really important and thats what its really important to act and defend ourselves right now and thats exactly what San Francisco and now a domino effect of communities are going to do with this particularly dangerous technology. I also do the same in the u. K. I mean i just i just want to point out that even in the trial phase any day of peace have been using facial recognition against peace activists not the most dangerous people. And people with Mental Health problems as well so we havent even seen you know this is a bold towards war thors hammer it isnt like the time i mean the stop point and the end point because technology is really just stepping in nature i think really well i also think that china is a really important example in terms of thinking. So whether or not what we know about their system is true its not that i particularly doubt that they could develop but you know this sort of mass scale ubiquitous special recognition i think its probably all true but the source on it is the Chinese Government and the source on you know their ability to spot someone in a crowd of 50000 people at a concert or something all those sort of triumphs that they discuss and you know this type of footage that youre seeing on the screen and this is really all coming from them with not a lot of you know moving or independent audit and going on so one of the dangers you have is if the system isnt as robust or isnt as accurate as they say maybe someone who wasnt even jaywalking gets put up on the billboard and gets publicly shamed and thats type of thing would be really difficult to bring to light so just again it shows the potential dangers either way whether a system is working as intended or not you know there are still big ramifications i think whats interesting is the idea of opting in and opting out and when you dont have that opportunity to opt in so i want you to take a look at this we did circulating online our producers found this before the show this is Matthew Brennan who tweets wow china airport face Recognition Systems to help you check your flight status and find the way to your gate note i did not import anything it accurately identified my full flight information from my face now that is pretty creepy to me its eerie though i could see the argument that it makes things efficient but i want you to have a listen to a clip from 27000 that shows another side of this and it lucian who works as the head of an aid station in shanghai explains how facial Recognition Software can help regular passers by on the street. Thats a good. We think running this facial recognition system has reduced the time needed to do searches lighten the workload of our staff and made our searches more efficient that lets us help people faster when they are unsure about their identity and helps us as much as we can to find their relatives and hide them. So when it comes to talking about dementia patients or very people who are outside and lost facial recognition some would say well it can help that silky whats your take on the beneficial uses and the opting in but but but not having a choice to opt in i mean it might be that there are some beneficial uses i just havent seen them yet and inherently. Particular issues that is the inherent risks with live facial recognition in which there is no consent and that is inherently. So they eventually amass identifying tools when you have a one to one face comparison will cause theres a whole host of things that can be useful for all but we must play that with life facial recognition whereby thousands of people can be identified at any one time. Very quickly i just wanted to throw this comment in there i was dumbfounded personally when people say this but. T. W. Saying due to the Large Population in china i think its necessary since it easily reduces crime and perhaps the majority of the chinese population accept said watching over me is fine unless otherwise im a criminal which will make me hate that system and we will be watching thats all the time we have for today thanks to our gas. Only we can keep this conversation going online by following us on twitter we are out. Of the next time. On march 13th 2019 the f. A. A. Grounded the u. 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