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Have a thing called loses consists and your policy leaders said no you have not abolished but if you lost democracy only works in this country if loses except they lost completely agree ok and youre leader said your leader said if the remains campaign im quoting your leader im not to give you any of my views if the remain Campaign Wins 2 thirds to one 3rd that ends it you didnt win want 2 thirds to one 3rd so its not over according to knowledge of fraud i dont have to agree with every word that he said look if you want to review the referendum 1015 years down the track thats fine happy but you know you have to implement the will of the people 1st time around in the same way when you have the will of the people saying that will give you his decision is that abstinence stone people get to change their minds there is a general election and then say i would like the results and we have another vote really just i want 2017 we might have one next month thats in 2 years. But the reality. Of. What happened after the election to reason may want to just with a Hung Parliament with the d. P. So shes the Prime Minister and shes trying to get out of the way she tried to get to 3 times she put a deal and you disagreed with that deal because of the terrible it is the worst it doesnt matter it was bracks thats what you were wasnt great its not behind it weve always said thats not breaks it that is thats half and half or so what youre saying were not sure it is that there are multiple forms of bricks in this which werent on the ballot paper in 2016 maybe there was leave on the in the ballot paper it wasnt it wouldnt leave somebody told you you what reason may work or lets be honest leave means leave thats why founded the group by definition it doesnt mean that thats why were in this mess 3 words but it Means Nothing well talk about that beyond the. Words in a few moments were going to keep it simple folks thought we did before we do just something thats been a big story here in the u. K. Recently given an m. P. Joe cox was murdered in the middle of the Referendum Campaign by a White Nationalist who considered her to be a collaborator and a traitor do you think its wise right now that politicians constantly talk of betrayal of traitors of surrender is an irresponsible for your party did another fraud to talk about picking up a rifle if brooks is in delivered of taking a knife to Civil Servants in london is this not dangerous stuff which the word surrender is a normal part of the english language just like betrayal if we cant use simple language like that that actually you are preventing free speech you know no one is banning you want to talk no one is banning you from that you were saying when you hear when you hear women in Parliament Saying theyre getting Death Threats citing the prime which is of working is not does not make you feel a protest the jokes murder was absolutely hideous shocking and appalling on but never say dont we want to avoid another one happening by all moderating along of course about picking up a rifle and i think Civil Servant saying you want to decapitate the Prime Minister when a david comes on the show last year but im also if you want to know for a large we can do what about of the. Person im not responsible for other people i mean youre chair of the brics a body you actually are responsible for your for us as hes the leader of your party thats how it works otherwise you dont have to be the chair in politics you dont dictate what other people say you dont you have a comment on it lets just be clear do you disagree with the language of rifle and knifing its not language i would have used why i choose different language thats i live what im wondering what is on my own person because theres something wrong with what freud said like everybodys different ok so youre ok with that language im setting it clear youre ok with everybodys different i would use different language its fine ok lets bring in our panel here who are waiting patiently to come in jonathan lives is the Deputy Director of the european think tank british influence hes also a journalist contributor to the guardian prospect among others john of the youve called this new rhetoric the end of playing by the rules you say people have every right to be scared richard makes the point that the people on your side of the argument using. Pretty heated rhetoric. No one is using language which would incite violence on or my story that no one is accusing anyone of treason and when theyre in if they have a date then i would completely disavow that what were seeing now is a very trumpy in style approach where theres an attempt to reframe language and to normalize that reframing because in order to take control of the people you have to take control of the lexicon and let me bring in graeme gudgeon whos a economist at Cambridge University chief Economic Advisor at the conservative think Tank Policy Exchange great youve been a big supporter of brics it Boris Johnson the Prime Minister the u. K. At the time of this recording has said that he will take britain out of the e. U. On the 31st of october he dodged questions of legality whether he would be breaking the law would you support that you somebody says weve got to do that no matter what Parliament Passes oh absolutely weve got to get this done now this is just gone on for too Long Companies are in trouble that they they dont know what to do theyre begin vestments to make even those breaking the law just to be clear want to know where you stand theres a law that says you cannot do this now i dont think you should break the law but the law itself is just ridiculous its technically hands over the power to the since were not allowed to accept no deal you can offer any deal that the they want and they can offer any timescale they want and then they were going to parliament can say ok were going to use the parliament the parliament the United Kingdom which is so far as we start that youve surrendered the key issue of how long we remain in. The European Union i mean its just let me make a suggestion part of mechanics that im going to bring in our Senior Editor the progressive online media outlet novara media she also teaches political theory at the Sandberg Institute is the language around bricks it is it is as toxic as people seem to suggest it is well you know i think its important to be passionate times when you feel passionately about politics i do have a specific question for you because a few weeks ago one of your parliamentary candidates for south North Hampton shared rachel. Tweeted that she totally agree with the list calling for me personally to be either executed or imprisoned. Do you think that this is appropriate conduct no i dont think thats appropriate and i was a little bit come to that well have to look at it and make a form with you i mean do you have a code of conduct about this kind of thing of course we do is that theyre calling for a political kind of be executed against a code of conduct i would look at it of course ill give you that i would give the shirts right we have withdrawn the whip from one of our i mean because of a conflict of interest between his business interests and his role as an m. E. P. Very very briefly is that it seems to me that theres a pattern of behavior when it comes to using language around violence by Party Supporters including niger for raj i remember the day of the referendum result they posted that been won without a single bullet being fired merely days after the murder of john cox so my next question would be these parts of Party Supporters who have been well its a big divisive Movie Theater about what about david the other day its ok to remain is to say let me just quit before we move on very quickly if you agree as you say you do we all agree that we want to reduce the likelihood of god forbid another attack or a murder of a member what give me your top proposal for. Creating a britain where that doesnt happen what would you like to see happen get this job sorted so we can actually try and unify the country about successful Economic Performance afterward so that we can then i mean a lot of rhetoric peoples rhetoric you know any research this is such a divisive issue lets implement it and then we can all move on you talk about implementation richard youre running on a platform to leave the European Union without a deal whether october 31st or beyond but just going back to 2016 when your side was telling the british people that they could leave the e. U. With a great deal with a trade agreement in place you would be easy so im wondering why you deliberately misleading them back then we lived in them we ignorant about how difficult it was going to be which one is it neither what was it and why did you make those promises and why because i actually would have proper leadership from someone who believed in breaks that we would have got that you can say vote great and this is a bad Prime Minister i dont like him. And we didnt. Leave subject to a deal that everybody likes we said leave you went on the b. B. C. In the run up to the referendum you promised the view is that the u. K. Would quote still have a friendly agreement negotiated with the e. U. In the 2 years after we vote no its been 3 and frank said on the economics itll be broadly the same thats what youre told and the good news is it would be even better if there is no knowing its going to be even better and your god be negotiating we would have had a deal and we would have been out by now even michael gove conservative cabinet minister one of the leaders of a Vote Campaign he says he said i quote we didnt vote to leave without a deal that wasnt a massive message of the campaign i helped lead hes being honest about it why not just hes known it what hes not going to so he got it wrong hes not being honest about it heres a man who a few months ago said that we were leaving with a good deal to resume is doing now hes in charge of leaving without a deal or a clean break breaks it and hes saying thats absolutely fine but you just cant trust a word that man says ok you know what else can we trust what you want to tell you we trust you you can trust yes or trust not go for our yes when you know you want for arjun aaron banks who was the big donor to the levy whos got nothing to do with a big donor to the levy you can buy them to have a referendum right now when you were saying in the referendum 3 of you norway Free Trade Agreement none of thats on the table now now youre telling us to forget all that maybe well just own it why pretend you were always for a no deal slash clean break so what did Michel Barnier say at the beginning of the negotiations he said if you want a simple free trade deal you can have one reason may rejected it and thats why were in the mess we are only isnt you know only last week Michel Barnier had a meeting with one of my colleagues one of my party in the piece and he said if we leave with a with no deal with a clean break breaks it then they will start negotiating a free trade do the following week i mean you know what the economists are saying you know what the office of budget responsibility said about that the same people who said that would go into immediate recession would lose half a 1000000 job you said the pound would collapse and it did and were employing a 1000000 people more than we did at the time the referent and you lowest rates of unemployment and well outperform in the euro zone well hold on hold on hold on one of the members of the monetary policy. Bank of england says already the cost of brics is running at 40000000000. 00 pounds a year how the i. M. F. Which last time i checked didnt vote in the referendum so the total is going to fairly pricey on the u. K. G. D. P. Is about 3 and a half percent by 2021 they are better led by Christine Lagarde right who said there will be a complete collapse so no i am asked about a lot of British Retail Consortium that says prices will go up in supermarkets after no doubt that theyll be a shortage of food and they wont they wont do that so you know more than the person running same reason tesco yes frankly you know more than the bank of england because you know more than the more the bank of england because you know hes used every decision hes made about the Interest Rates being totally and utterly wrong when we leave on a clean break we can then make the solutions about what tariffs we cut so we can cut the tariffs of goods that we dont produce in this country consumer goods food you know you have figured out for everyone right under World Trade Organization rules but if we dont get it so you can reduce tariffs on everything on goods that we dont produce ive been to the very senior people there and they said i went to them back in january and they said yes you could easily turn the 29 page political declaration into an article 24 heads of terms and actually that would be a sensible thing to do given where its at who did you meet the w. T. I met a couple of very senior one of the names im going to give you the names there what im telling you the director general of the w. T. A rather says there will be costs and the cost may be very significant and the sector but what his previous i suppose you run the w. B. For him says youd be brutally jumping from trade league one to trade league 3 thats the director john of the w 2 and his predecessor but 2 anonymous people you may have guaranteed you things will be fine. Dont put words in my that you want to say you just said i want to make sure i did and they said we can make some but i ask you their names you say i cant tell me them i didnt say i just they actually asked me not to say the names if you really want to know but the reality is they said what would you know what they thought we could do and should do i think thats absolutely weve always said that we should ask for an article 24 heads of agreement under the rules which basically means you agree the heads of terms you then basically incorporate terms you put into. And you dont the eyes of course that you know that can have that is absolutely the fundamental point of agreement is the 2 sides have to agree of course that he told us how it had to be and here is not going to agree to a cherry picked head to terms trade agreement if we dont give the e. U. What they want which is Citizens Rights to divorce payment parts of the e. U. Has always had more leverage in the u. K. Because its wider its more powerful its rich than we are they can afford to equate reasonable doubt is the truth of the other misery and without so let me bring a very emotional and 1000000000 there almost but let me ask you describe. The Yellow Hammer document from the government also is predicted possibly shortage of medicines food destruction at the border delays are you willing to concede that you know everybody to look at you have to have a document 25 pages it wont take you very long it is the most ridiculous document. Its not so its garbage its not a prediction its what its what they call a worst Case Scenario well actually they called it they called it a base and then they renamed it when it was you know if they kept the base Case Scenario it would be beyond ridiculous it would be i mean this is an internal planning document from appropriate letterman just to be clear but theyre part of the remain conspiracy as well let me tell you what this analysis was based on this just quotes from the document its not my view if between 50 and 85 percent of Haulage Companies were unable to fill in french customs forms not only on the 1st day but for 3 months and then half of them were unable to fill in these forms for 6 months then wed have problems with the french customs and they did their own customs have been handing out forms to lower drivers for the last 6 months and this was why why would. You say there wont be any disruption after no deal right now im not saying that im going to be if theres any disruption will be fairly small jonathan very briefly respond that there will be a small disruption well i mean the government is as you say appropriate see government i say listen to the actual government which has no interest in ramping up the dangers that no deal they are saying that terrible things can happen we have a g. T. Responsibility to listen to those rest and Pay Attention how can anyone read that document on a preview no deal is completely beyond me to bring you on something. Or to bring you know something which you said about poland which i really like the 2nd one just just one thing is that fair now when you hear all the debates in british politics about we were misled we should rerun the vote they were fully honest with us etc adviser for where do you stand on all that im what you call the euro skeptic remain which means that everyone and no one likes. Me there are very strong arguments about why practice. It happened and i think the main one is the democratic principle which is when you vote for something regardless of what the letter of the law says about an advisory or not advisory. Our political system relies on the trust of the electorate and i do think that there is a negative consequence for breaking that trust yes i do you also however think that there is no mandate for no deal if there was one parliament voted to strip the article 50 parliament has since changed its mind which is the right of parliament but ive got a really. Very very simple question for you and its really straightforward i know that you dont hold truck with whats on the other hammer reports because 2 things one is that lowest income families are likely to be hardest hit by the disruption and 2nd is that there may be some shortages that medicine now i know you think but none of thats going to happen but if you could just put a number on it for me how many job losses happening and how many deaths from medicine shortages for you oh were proud of that happening but. Thank you that question has been the great thing is were actually going to get more tense because its going to be a huge success so how many are going to come out you know what their risk because its not your job but rather just told you weve created a 1000000 jobs youre going to the medicines point this is really important briefly so. This ridiculous suggestion that you know we can have a Medicines Shortage lets just think folks you know one of our movies was with 4 french pharmaceutical Companies Just a fortnight ago and every single one of those executives most Companies French pharmaceutical companies its completely ridiculous of course were going to keep selling a horse to be plenty of medicine is your question if we take a break if youre wrong about the medicines issue and the disruption the shortage of food i just want to know how do people hold you to account for that here now in an election thats how elections work you know if politicians stand up and Say Something like well im quite happy to stand up and say. No more about are you jealous and retailers was always hard as well its never half empty im a positive optimistic sort of guy i think i mean its a fine line there isnt isnt that just thats the worry. Always. Alluded to ok. We will have to take a break that your watching had to head we will be back in part 2 with richard ties and our panel and our very patient audience here in the oxford union to discuss whats happening with British Public opinion is it more divided than ever before and whats the future for rich party join us after the break. The next episode of techno team looks into the Environmental Impact of Waste Management trash is a big business with a smelly bill thanks to the complexities of recycling. Different plastics. Become difficult to impossible. Its very easy for us to have a 100 percent recycled material techno on aljazeera. Hello im daryn jordan and with the top stories here on aljazeera Syrian Government forces have struck a deal with the kurdish Led Syrian Democratic forces that will see the countrys military deploy along the border with turkey the agreement aims to counter turkeys military offensive in Northern Syria yesterday f. 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Thanksgiving but if you want to head to head on aljazeera english my guest today is the business been turned politician richard tice whos chair of the Breakfast Party and were talking about what else breaks it richard a lot of minorities in this country people of color immigrants feel as if racism and xenophobia has gone up since the 2016 referendum a lot of the official stats on hate crimes on racist attacks a lot of the polls seem to support that view given the leave campaign ran an overtly nationalistic campaign some would say Xenophobia Campaign is it any surprise to you that racism and racist attacks have gone up in britain in recent years but i think to the extent there have then thats so thats a tragedy and of course you know no one should welcome that you know my view on immigration has always been that this country has been very good at welcoming immigration but you have to have sensible immigration that works for your economy and in the last 10 years weve had immigration of over a quarter of a 1000000 a year and actually weve had 0 real wage growth for the least well off in society and you know thats what happened and people felt anxious about that what youre saying is a very legitimate view many politicians many people in the public hold that view about immigration but its more about the tone for example that breaking point posted that some will remember here that was run. Unveiled during the Referendum Campaign that had in some peoples views not the undertones i mean michael gove who cochaired the Vote Leave Campaign the other leave Campaign Said he regrets the very harsh anti immigrant and foreign aspects of the campaign do you some stuff was said that probably should have been said in some of the stuff was difficult it was tough to do the breaking point post i think that was tough and. It was a tragic trial is it racist was it racist to people have different views do you think. I mean if youre going to do it was it racist you tell me what your view i dont think it was why why i didnt think it was a picture that appeared lets remember on all sorts of newspapers in previous weeks the campaign you cofounded levy you is still active youve quit that campaign you have to be very clear just off the reference yes since then its been accused of antisemitism when it posted an image of a jewish billionaire george soros as a puppet master with tony blair its been accused of islamophobia after post an image of london. Next to the words on a stand in islamic fundamentalism do you condemn those anti semitic islam images by your islamophobia by as ive said you can be held responsible for organizations actions im not asking do you condemn them yeah i dont like it i would have done it if i was involved im not involved ok i think its really interesting isnt it how people try and continue to discredit and smear someone even though theyve got nothing to do with all those issues discrediting what youve just tried to make literally as the rest of you can do if i said one organization and they did bad things after i left as i was it you condemn or say yet i wasnt going to condemn it and i dont like it were not condemning like you ok lets look at your Current Party to break the Party Knowledge of. The most famous predecessor in britain i think its fair to say youve compared him to gandhi and mandela in this very chamber of you. And actually he he and i have to say in terms of delivering lasting change absolutely ok lets be honest breaks it breaks it is a huge opportunity a Seismic Shift in the way this countrys going to be run let me just finish my course that is the last im very sure that is very aggressive before they turn in their graves further. He has a long history of complaining about Foreign Languages being spoken on the train remain ians moving in next door to immigrants causing traffic jams a powerful jewish lobby can you really blame people for calling for it is the leader of your party and your party itself xenophobia even racist based on that kind of language. I just. Dont remember those 3 i mean you only look at the breaks in. Party weve got more diversity amongst our image than any other party in the European Parliament that doesnt cancel out if you have if you really really want candidates it will raise issues that made were very stark reality does not get out of jail free card that you get if we were racist party would we have diversity and i didnt say a racist audience if you just laid just infernos it inferred i said can you blame people for thinking youre racist when your leader says that romanians moving in next door to him i do blame people people say they look at and they said its racist youre saying theyre wrong to say that im fine i did why they racist you dont we are not a racist party you have a problem with romanians moving in next door to you. Basically no i mean you. Know. Because he does some distracting but its not just for your former colleague and party leader catherine blakelock who cofounded the breaks the party was forced to resign because she said islam is equal to slavery muslim men were impregnating White British girls to create Muslim Babies and she retreated a leading u. K. Neo nazi dozens of times she recently compared to the caribbean and said the Tower Hamlets looked like pakistan. And those are those are outrageous things to say and thats why she left the party almost immediately the moment it was set up when we do things which is credit to a particular but then shes the founder of your party thats not just some random possible thats why we got rid of her but why did you set up the party you didnt know she was i want i wasnt involved in that moment knowledge would chose someone to set up the party he maybe he didnt know what she was saying or tweeting or doing. Ok. But for all when we leave anytime soon well. I mean the idea that hes raised this is just wrong supplying wrong i know the bloke is no simple as that is it as simple as i just gave his answer for things that he said ok but i know him better than you im telling you hes going to be honest im glad you know better than i do lets go to our panel here who are listening so carr is a Senior Editor at novara media she also teaches political theory at the sun begins to do your view since the brics a referendum took place in june 26th house racism gone up in the u. K. And can it be attributed to a single figure or campaign or movement or political is that too simplistic but give you an example of something that happened to me the day after the Referendum Campaign i took a walk with my friend in the morning and someone. Into both of our faces and called me a brown seaward and then later on that day a group of men got in my face and started yelling bricks it right so for them that meant something when they saw an asian woman and then since then ive experienced more racism just Walking Around london than i have before in my life and my experiences are backed up by statistics you have huge increases in reported racist hate crimes now im not saying that its caused by proxy im not saying anyone who supports burkes it is racist but what i want to know is what your explanation is for why so many racists seem to feel about the result validated the hateful and bigoted views and why they feel so able to act on them its appalling thank you thank you thank you thank you there is a justification its appalling a lot actually can damage them deeply sorry that you had those experiences of course but it seems to me that its easy for you to condemn it when its around them on the street when its the leader of your party suddenly youre bending over backwards and contorting to explain why im a bit more about things i do that youre saying you know im. You know hes not a racist i know that hes not a racist a lot so lets go to jim is a progress an economist at Cambridge University chief Economic Advisor to the think Tank Policy Exchange grain you were saying in part one in addition to being a proud supporter youre also an academic you have to look at the evidence when theres a 22 percent rise since 2016 in the number of ethnic minorities reporting racism discrimination that theyve experienced is that causation correlation how do you link that to the e. U. Referendum in your view i mean i think theres always problems when theres rapid cultural change in the society its the speed which which matters theres a great majority in the u. K. And its not just leaders actually its a lot a lot of remain as well agree with the idea that you have to control migration but doesnt mean necessarily that you have to diminish it industry or theyve actually increased immigration after they controlled it because people relax they think its controlled really is another country where race is a tax have gone up so its not exactly the best example to give in difference yes but the migration that were going to control in the u. K. Is european migration from European Countries in the sense the same european race if thats controlled i think we will probably will probably experience larger immigration from india middle east and other places but hardly suggests that this is a racist policy will only result in about the policy or they will talk about the people involved jonathan is the Deputy Director of the pro european think tank british influence jonathan the language the restaurant workers and raise their language do you blame your opponents for or no look we have to look at the Referendum Campaign from 2016 which was overtly islamophobia i remember the post is saying Turkey Population 80000000 in brackets is about to join the e. U. And a series of steps leading to an open door that was a naked attempt to terrify middle england into voting for breaks on islamophobia grounds and you had another poster not from your organization from boat leave which has turkey highlighted with a rock in syria on a map next them now that wasnt islam. Very big on a mainstream islamophobia discourse i dont know what was so its probably very much in your view the humbug or the good news is the job of the lawyer we agree on something that it. Didnt come from us. But lets just remember it was government policy at the time David Camerons policy at the time was for turkey to join the European Union thats actually not true. But you know its true i was very sly richard im not lying i worked the European Parliament i worked in the Foreign Affairs committee where turkish membership was government a week it was a take of apparently one if he went to brussels you had no right to tell he was not joining for decades so simple a lot i thought i would throw back at you on the other point for a minister to go on penny is pretty moot in that on television and say that britain actually had no veto over membership was simply not the way to terrify people its very simple process how can we possibly say this is rejected vote. Were going to move on but i think look i want to just go away the point again it was u. K. Government policy under David Cameron you can join the euro 250 using the turkey was always about it was you know it was tough some tough stuff was done you say tough other people say racist wheres the gap between tough and racist subjects if its difficult just wonder where is your where does racism begin for you then with those kind of things it doesnt i do think i do think those posters were racist but they you know they were tough they were shot it was a tough sharp end to the campaign tough and sharp is new euphemisms for what many people are a minimum time allows if there are allowed to use whatever language i want nobody said you are allowed to do what you divide media to follow do we stop what youre saying because youre attacking the language i use ive asked you to define your language your terms very loose stuff and shop to loose about stuff and shop is pretty clear actually isnt as clear as bricks it means bricks yes it is and its just as clearly me please you see you are you youre one of these you still think that it was leave subject to do it wasnt it was leave enough to watch the man go on b. B. C. And 2016 call richard ties and say we will get a deal and if id been in charge we would have got to do ok but we didnt. Therefore we should leave according to your logic before we go to our very patient audience here in your studio one quick question about the brits at party we talked in part one a great deal about democracy an important democracy and yet your own party the brics a body has basically no internal democracy whatsoever its run as a company with 2 directors you and nigel garage with registered supporters not members of its run basically its a dictatorship by your knowledge of projects and thats one of the fast growing tech start up folks at the end of the day democracy basically is at the ballot box actually since usenet weve got things done we are only 25 weeks i mean im sure many dictators get things done around the world thats what dictators do doesnt mean its a good thing its a Company Structure your friend aaron banks says its almost a dictatorship its a normal Company Structure and people have the have the option to vote for it at the ballot box initialism it when they have that option they voted for one of National Action securing 50 percent more votes than anybody else or maybe actually people are focused on the opportunity of breaks it not only one percent of the vote a 3rd of the vote 50 percent more than any other part of 3rd of the vote i mean its a great use of statistics a 3rd of the vote we won lets go to our audience who want to come in now lets go to someone at the back they do their hand up youre a businessman turned politician another businessman turned politician comes to mind that stone of. One of my frustrations sometimes that people in your position is that i feel that you shirk the social responsibility that comes with some of your policies so what do you say to People Like Us who have been told things like go back where you come from when weve only ever lived in this country do you have anything to say to us other than im so sorry that happened to you i said earlier and im very sorry if that happened to you. Of course we have social responsibilities as politicians are absolutely agree with that you have policies on fighting racism yes we do what are we completely intolerant of intolerance towards the police and your policy or that is the policy thats a policy thats just another phrase what are your definition of a little this is a plan that a government can enact using the powers of this. Changing laws around discrimination inequality changing the Education System cracking down on discrimination. Im not even a politician all those folks. Thank you thank you. Recently accused r t shark of hijacking the braggs issue and claimed that the amount of trade crossing the irish border was to use your own words and i quote irrelevant can i say as a point of information there is no such thing as an irish and border it is a you came border imposed on the island of ireland the irish border is the sea if you think it is irrelevant can you now speak to the social and political implications to the people of northern or and if the hard border is introduced if you care so little a picture tells a 1000 words think of a glass jar with a 1000 small it is in it i was going to your knowledge which was horrific by the. Thousands martis those marches represent all of the trades that goes across all the 28. 00 countries in europe ok the trade that goes across the border is between 1. 00 and 2. 00 smarties it is a tiny tiny amounts how dare you this is not about economics ive asked you about the social and political implications for the people of Northern Ireland if a hard border is introduced its not going to be introduced because everybody has again using everyone is not going to. Thats not what. He said there has to be we cant have animals coming across the border without being better than the people of Northern Ireland people in particular and everybody said everybody who said theyre not going to impose a hard border the head of the police force in Northern Ireland says he worries this could be a trigger for violence is he part of a remain conspiracy as well i dont look the reality for you when you know more about policing in Northern Ireland than that but there is no reason for that to be the case so when assistant chief constable barbara great grey who had sought the. Terrorism unit in Northern Ireland says we predict that a 6 to 12 month period if theres a no deal brix it there could be an upsurge in violence that doesnt worry you at all of course everybody should be wired if you know you dont sound very worried you said and i was about smarties and were talking about the return of islands. Where you are used to the economy thank you so much lets go back to violence lets if i want to go to just deal with the violence point that we have no one wants pilots lets be very clear lets go back people are wanting of violence richard what do you say to them i say why did the head of the e. U. Own report into the border last carlson who had a report called small borders to he said that under any situation any type of deal that could be a friction free border has said thats not the case and he said im going to im going to go back to mr at that point because just before he will get the audience away but this is such a crucial as the lady quite rightly says under under enda kenny right he said with good will we can find the Technological Solutions he had good will unfortunately his successor didnt many under tried to hijack for disgraceful his own reasons ok lets go to the gentleman my question is about immigration from the e. U. To the u. K. Couldnt the Northern Ireland border become a choke point because anyone in the e. U. Has the right to go to dublin there is no visa no control no checks and supposedly if theres no border just walk across the border ok so my question is what we do about that would you put a controls between Northern Ireland or nothing but knowing that ok so then there would be free floating immigration into the u. K. Then from that theres been a common travel area in. Northern ireland for 100 years and of course that would remain so youre ok with people coming in from the e. U. Through the frictionless border you know that would have is that what leave me leave. The real i dont think itll happen but to the extent it does you know well have to look at it ok. When we leave on the brakes in portuguese woman and i want to know what will happen to my rights because this settlement scheme didnt work for me i gave your country my youth what will you give me. Thank you very much that question its a great question. And the scheme is there at the moment and it sounds that have you just recently tried to get settled status my status was frozen for 5 months my embassy is helping me i felt very frustrated im sure and i sympathize and im very sorry about that because since 92 for us how much how many years youve been in the u. K. Just feel empty 20 years and youre now worried about your future posts. And she started to talk i was attacked attacked many times you can put on one you can put on im sorry can i listen in straight after the referendum i said the very 1st thing we should do is we should say that everybody is every e. U. Citizens rights were absolutely guaranteed i said on question time in november 16 and i was prepared for it but by a labor m. P. Are you but do i absolutely feel i was absolutely right since you are right to sort this in your country its your country but if you start our conversation by saying that island this fall in you didnt differentiate by anybody then we wouldnt be divided like this ok were going to respond to that that i didnt say they are useful ive always said i welcome immigration on a sensible controlled basis lets go back to the audience and heres were waiting in the front so the back to party is claiming to be sort of an answer to labor in a lot of working class communities so why was your 1st policy brought out to get rid of inheritance tax like who you really you know youre going up into space because that was your 1st policy right. That was not 1st policy our very 1st policy was actually to invest over 100000000000 quid in the regions that have been left behind we announced on the 30th of june at our political rally we said how were going to pay for it and actually you know its those regional road and rail scheme is going to help the least well off in society with the insurance tax point no that is a very regressive tax it helps rich people in this country thats not really standing up for the f. B. I. And its actually its in. Its the most unpopular most hated tax in the u. K. And we think its we think its unfair we think its agree just the administrators out of the benefits from a continent that would go to the richest states or states with over a 1000000 pound weve got policies on the left in the middle and on the right but that is the most unpopular tax and we think it would actually its been pretty well received very little in there we briefly come in you when youre very very very company that you set up an 1001 Property Group documents past me democracy showed that over 40 percent of it is owned by 2 firms one based in panama one based in British Virgin islands so why should we trust you on the direction of this country when a company that you set up most of its deficit and dividends go through tax havens and some country simply not true i mean thank you very much i was just because im a u. K. U. K. Taxpayer i was one of the shareholders there about a dozen shares in that business there were u. K. Shareholders and they pay you to be im happy to be corrected to one very quick question do you own Theory Holdings ltd in panama canal Shuttlecock Holdings ltd or in the person absolutely. Nothing to do with nothing 0 well the president was very good to deliberate about it cracking down on the break about to be cracking down on tax havens when its in office yeah ill tell you why i tell you why because we believe we believe in high growth low taxation if you have low taxation in this country then you reduce the need for people to look at tax avoidance judgement here in the white shirt given that the campaign has been found to broken electoral law by the Electoral Commission why should we respect the results of a referendum on illegal means were firstly firstly thank you thank you it wasnt won by illegal means but there was a there was a law for referendum over 30000000 people participate in that referendum the votes were counted and we won by over a 1000000 votes and then all that was a reality and then after it was done you were saying its a matter of some amount. Overspending thats cheating some might say its not cheating on you personally especially around the line because we just mean just on the 70 ground levy you was fined you paid that fine but i dont know im not involved in leave dont you have no idea but you were at the time of that fine cover the period you were in charge of what i was i was not i was a cofounder of it i generally dont know im 70 grand so you can understand i was going to remain a say come on this isnt fair that one of the main items campaigning got fined for overspending you understand why people say that and its usenet because pretty patel the current home search area asked the Electoral Commission to investigate why the remaining campaign set up 5 companies in the last month so they could spend an extra 1000000 quid illegally and they left a commission wouldnt investigate why because its ok but just to be clear believe you did pay 70 grand fine for overspending in your referendum but no ones disputing that well i dont know because i dont know if they paid a 70 grand finals pretty big news because im not a director of i wasnt over there we dont need to be involved to know whats happening in the news what i want to worry you know what i do know is that mr theyve subsequently been exonerated havent they been so theyve got the 70 grand back i told you i dont know what to do you know if i met police are you cant pick and choose what you know because the middle east i dont know you said suddenly you know about the story suddenly you dont i can tell you what i can tell you was Public Information which is the met police im going to actual crime agency have confirmed that leaves are to you to not carry out any illegal criminal activity gentlemen if i ask you 50 was to be revoked 2 together what was your prediction be for the future of british politics are you someone who wants to see it revoked not revoked for breaks in 20 from southeast london and i for the brits in passing. So i think that i think would be absolutely disastrous trust in democracy in this country would collapse even further than it currently is i mean it would be the most appalling thing. Let me ask you this one last question before we finish lets say you get your wish and this no deal breaks it clean break happens if not on october 31st and shortly after that and lets say i know this is hard for you to hear youre wrong and the economists at the bank of england the o. B. O. Are right and theres a housing crash theres a fall in g. D. P. Theres inflation theres employment at that point will you say nope it was all still worth it bracks it was worth the cost would you say maybe we got this wrong well theres different elements theres the economic issue and i think im right if im wrong people wont vote for us its very simple but it is the other issues in terms of whats going to be exact in terms of sovereignty you we get back our sovereignty from the European Union back to parliament and back to the people so that is you know that is that is something that is absolutely priceless we must achieve that and that is priceless just to be clear that there is a recession you think but we got our freedom back yes i think that even though you would be suffering from that recession is that if theres a recession everybody suffers i do the same way richard you wont be suffering as much as some of the low income communities or as ive said before that actually if we have a clean break bricks it we can cut tariffs immediately on the items of the goods that actually producing those prices will benefit the least well of the poorest paid in our society the most and thats a good thing on that note we have to leave it there thank you to our patient audience and the oxford union thank you to our panel of experts thank you to retire is becoming much thanks thanks dad you guys thanks terry. On the legacy of south africas a. N. C. The boy party or the power out how a liability and how perceptions have changed of this former Liberation Movement turned government you think its appropriate for a man who went to prison for defrauding paul im an eruption to run your call to grow up not to have some goes head to head with my leg to the roof and it is not exactly do we. Get any grief on aljazeera. Hello there it is a picture across much of the middle east we think were going to come streaming across northern sections but not really bringing much with us in the way of it as he touches a little bit lower 24 degrees in tehran 23 celsius across into back sunny skies monday through the east and to the med going is that cloud. In beirut and then by cheese day the cloud is back in the fall calls the time it is not really changing very much weve got 37 for baghdad and the city so not as hot as it has been and of course thats the same story as we head farther to the south across the peninsula temperatures generally in the mid says his youll see on monday weve got quite a bit of cloud just along the coast of oman. Had to choose that it might just produce one or 2 coastal showers that nothing more than that which is sticking really in the to mid thirtys celsius that we had down into Southern Africa if you will for calls across into madagascar and certainly today one of the next few days we could see very warm still in johannesburg by cheese or we could just see even a scattered thunderstorm here and you notice the rains remain quite heavy quite wise but through much of central and and that cat extend you cross into the maybe as you head off into tuesday. Kurdish fighters find a new ally in the Syrian Government as the u. S. Pulls out troops deepens its offensive. Hello im adrian forgetting this is al jazeera live from doha also coming up. Celebrations in ecuador as the government scraps of a stars evil that led to a hike in fuel prices and sparked violent protests. A retired professor said to win to his ears president ial runoff syud thanked the youth for their support. And how solid afghanistan are overcoming war and poverty to love and dream of a better future. Syrias government to struck a russian brokered deal with Kurdish Forces that will see its forces deploy along the border with turkey the kurdish led s. D. F. Says the deployment of Government Troops will help repel the turkish offensive to me along with the syrian fighters it backs into dalton syria on wednesday. They are advancing theyve cut off a main highway known as the m 4 which lies 30 to 35 kilometers inside syrian territory a key border towns. Or almost complete the under turkish control the m 4 is a vital supply line that runs through s. T. s held territory from the iraqi border to the s. D. F. Stronghold of monday which. Has more on the latest developments from action on turkeys border with syria. Fast moving developments the United States decision to leave North Eastern syria effectively created a vacuum there are many players in the syrian conflict and all of them would like a stake in this corner of syria it is a strategic corner it is where oil fields are located it is the agra its the bread basket of syria for the damascus government is cash strapped it would it would definitely want to regain control of this area the s. D. F. The kurdish led the n. F. L. Had little choice because 1st of all it was abandoned by its allies the United States and it is coming under attack and the turkish army along with their local allies the opposition Syrian National army they have been launching an operation against a group they consider a terrorist organization because according to turkey the. Backbone of the s t f is the Syrian Kurdish armed group the white p. G. Which is linked to the outlawed p k k so the s. D. F. Had little choice it struck a deal with damascus a russian brokered deal that agreed to hand over the territories that remain under their control to the government now the question is will they be able to do that because the opposition is making clear that they will fight back they will prevent this from happening especially in the town of members when rebel forces have already sent reinforcements to the front lines the syrian army at the same time saying that theyre sending troops to the north of the country to face what theyre calling a turkish invasion so that the risk of conflict is real is specially if these players cannot negotiate a coordinated withdrawal or an agreement on who takes what in what area lets go live now to the. Border with syria in turkey is all just here as charles try to. Explain the significance of this deal there between the s. D. F. And Syrian Forces for us what could it mean for the turkish campaign. Let remains to be seen i think. Certainly its an indication of the kind of pressures that the s. D. F. Were on the fact that they have made this deal with the asaad government and what were already hearing is reports of clashes between certainly syrian rebel forces that are aligned with Turkish Military around that town of monday should we just mention we know that the syrian army was deployed to monday last night were now hearing reports of clashes there those turkish fools hes having crossed the border its how cold which is directly north all of that town were also hearing reports that syrian army full seize it take control of around 3 or 4 villages there now thats in the west meanwhile in the east in the last hour also weve heard reports of the syrian army moving towards a town called tell tama and. Now those towns are south all the talent of it off. And was claimed by the Turkish Military they claim to be in full control of that 2 or 3 days ago that was proven to be untrue there are ongoing clashes between pro turkish Syrian Rebels and the s. D. F. In russell i now this Troop Movement by the syrian army coming north we also understand that they have been syrian Army Movements pushing north. Towards iraq so. You can imagine the significance of this deal when youre effectively looking at 2 National Army is now facing off each other potentially in a confrontational situation so it is a great concern and it is fascinating in terms of how allegiances have changed but of course you dont increase ease the worries of the International Community of humanitarian organizations in the u. N. When weve already had according to the u. N. 160000 people flee their homes casualties increasing every day and of course there are a lot of people in that area that are going to be between these 2 competing potentially confrontational militaries its a very worrying situation and a very fluid want of that. Charles many thanks were European Union Foreign Ministers will be meeting in brussels later to discuss the situation in syria we can expect to hear from some point in the day the french president and german chancellor have also raised concerns about turkeys actions. Didnt bar on one hand this offensive risks creating an unsustainable humanitarian situation and we already can see it on the ground and on the other hand it risks helping to reemerge in the region in the face of the situation we will stay very coordinated as we were when we notified turkey that we would end our arms sales as well as with any initiatives we have to take in the coming hours and the coming days. Because ive spoken with president to one for an hour of course we have to consider turkey security. But we also think that we have to put a stop to this turkish invasion because of humanitarian reasons the context they were the situation facing the kurds and we really have to find another solution a funeral has been held for kurdish leader killed in an ambush on saturday of in college the secretary general of the future syria party was returning from a meeting when her car was attacked allegedly by Turkish Backed syrian fighters her driver and aide were also killed the syrian observatory for human rights says that armed groups supported by turkey have killed 9 civilians in the area meanwhile turkeys president has dismissed claims that i saw prisoners of escape from Detention Centers in northeastern syria it follows reports that hundreds of people fled from a center in an isa after it was shelled by Turkish Forces yesterday have says that another prison camp in commission was shelled by turkey on friday but on says that his forces will take responsibility for thousands of i saw fighters and their families in Northern Syria. Ecuadors government has agreed to repeal a law that raised fuel prices self to talks with protests leads us so abrasions on the way in the capital quito demonstrators have attacked government buildings and set fire to media offices theyve now agreed to end the protests which began nearly 2 weeks ago i was a serious man well below reports now from quito celebrations are taking place on the streets of quito after an agreement has been reached between Indigenous Leaders of a confederation of indigenous communities from across ecuador reaching an agreement with the president of ecuador and his ministers bringing an end to proposed economic policies that many saw it see as being damaging to the country policies that would bring an end to fuel subsidies that have been in place for decades this was a negotiation that was moderated by the United Nations at the beginning of the day that were clashes that were taking place between demonstrators and police over the course of the last week or so weve seen these these clashes and demonstrations escalating the violence and anger and tensions on the streets as collating so there is hope there is optimism that this could finally bring a lasting peace to this conflict that thats gripped the capital of ecuador now we should mention that Indigenous Leaders also condemned the violence on the streets on the part of of of the police there have been they cited statistics saying that there have been more than a 1000 people that have been wounded 10 people unfortunately that we can report that were killed and more than a 1000 that have been put in jail so theres optimism theres hope that this agreement will finally bring peace to this conflict here in ecuador. In tunisia a conservative law professor and political outsider is poised to become the next president exit polls suggest that chis sired has beaten his rival the media tycoon now bill curry on a turnout of 60 percent. About all reports now from tunis or what that win could mean for the country. He has achieved what eluded his predecessors since the 2011 revolution basis ayad won the president ial election with more than 70 percent of the vote a big win and a strong bandaid for an outsider who nothing gator threw it in his ears complex Political Landscape throughout the campaign sayed focused his messages on overhauling state institutions and ink political divisions and fixing economic problems but. Youve shown the world you freely made your choice and start a new chapter and id like to thank the young for their determination you continue to inspire the world. Sayen a law professor who ran as an independent defeated his rival now bill carter we the media mogul and leader of the secular heart of tennessee a party cutaway was released from jail a few days ago after being detained on charges of corruption and tax evasion he dismissed the accusations as politically motivated saia took a principled stance on his opponents detention refusing to campaign while he was locked up but once the vote was decided. Supporters celebrated victory on the streets i was confident basis aid would win i am very excited for my country in the past elections my vote never counted this time im very happy because the man of voted for has become president the president has seen his powers diminish after the 2011 revolution the Prime Minister and the parliament shape the domestic agenda i sayed faces to immediate challenges convincing the Political Parties but one the parliamentary election to set aside their differences and form a governing coalition and solving the economic problems so i get has repeatedly said that he was committed to helping his people now he must deliver his promises