So how can these be compressed in times of days for the people prisoners can be in a tent this is being you know it is within a discourse of containment of these persons here either in our own islands or on the mainland but in the end we really have to keep in mind that these bases either send us or simply migrants their purses and they cannot be treasonous and you know as detainees in a sense or essay that thats a danger for National Security as such so we really have to look into how 2000 and if you go on a minute how to find solutions in europe and maybe save britain but maybe lets have a new course at where we are going to be to and this poses a kind of sentences for some countries in europe seems to be a safe country for us hes not there to dynamics the big one the main one is people escaping. Conflict people escaping whats going on in syria we were talking the to him. He was mentioning the people getting out of afghanistan for totally understandable reasons well so thats the big one but is there a smaller one its is how politicians at the leading edge of Eastern Europe who are on the the extremity of the e. U. React to this within a prism of the flow of their own domestic political structures the way that a country like hungary say will tilt or italy will tilt slightly to the right a country then goes off at a tangent maybe spends 18 months or 2 years reacting in a particular way and then as weve been discussing about italian politics it then tilts ever so slightly to the left yeah i think we have to remember that this hostile environments and this increased hostility is not unique to. To some countries i think weve seen an increase of this rhetoric across europe and also in other places around the world. But also these policies the Migration Management policies being implemented in europe a quite consistent as well with the with the evolution of this kind of deterrence and containment externalize station so i wouldnt really say its only based if Eastern European countries but actually the way in which the european Migration Management rejean and the way in which the european Migration Management agender is being implemented as a whole so i think it is this quite a few layers in this story is another one of these layers materia the way that certain western european leaders are basically saying to those Eastern European leaders i guess there will be penalties involved i mean that kind of adopting the moral high ground but theyre saying were going to penalize other countries how would they do it and what would the penalties be. Its hard to say in dns it as it removes same ease western government ever benefited and worked rotten to and maybe the eastern governments for some time no government right now even the centrist party is in europe once had higher levels of migration and many not as a 1st countries all right now did benefit from the tell important policy lets say politics up close in the ports in dnd said this is the kind of. I would say unfeasible in a societal bias that we reached in which all of do you want to close the gates so yes when you say we want to punish this did not put these beings live that is mostly to read ok people who were really there but in dnd in terms of solidarity it seems what we have seen is that it is sorely lacking and even now for instance with the change government immediately there is no consensus on whether to go back at sea and take back and doing search and rescue operations fulvia that migrants would to crease again review seem to be saying a couple of minutes ago here on inside story deal with the problem of source when is the war in syria how do you do it when its the the crisis the ongoing situation of being an afghan from afghanistan how do you do it. Yes so i think that the you know meet today we have the highest levels of displacement in the world so we have 70000000 people displaced all over the world but you have to remember a very small percentage of those people are actually riding in europe or even making the Journey Towards europe so to even have a language of a crisis or an emergency when as as you rightly pointed out is other places in the world where theres hundreds of thousands of millions of refugees m. S. F. Works in many places around the world so we also have to keep this in perspective and we also at the center a humane approach we have to center approach in which people can access their their rights to seek asylum they have they are able to be individually assessed and in the meanwhile theyre not trapped in Detention Centers and not trapped in containment camps where their health and wellbeing is deteriorating every day this currently is full of 1000 children on the great island unaccompanied by the children of the greek islands and theres no solutions for them to be living anywhere thats safe for them you know so we really need to make sure that we have approach where were actually you know keeping things in perspective and were addressing were making sure that people that do arrive in european shores have access to the humanitarian assistance that they need in case we sound like were criticizing this this poor Structure Plan is there a sense in which perhaps it may just be the beginning of a common across the e. U. Migration policy. Im quite skeptical of that but lets just try complicity you know right so yes its true that if you compare the situation to the one just 2 months ago its reading comparable in terms of how much you know how many steps italy has done to deescalate situation and other countries did you know to have italy that was perceived as being you know perceived this has been left to lose. Might be the truth east duggar revelations are these that means that. All right most migrants will need to be processed by 1st conscious of our own we stay there probably in the future and we have to work around it and the 2nd thing is the truth is do you does not have a common migration policy when it comes to regularize once and it always begins with them by same too many you know. You know even 1000. 00 bees too many so we have to look at that approach but its always in the hands of the Member States so yes we can be positive but only Member States that. Just didnt do not know start not looking just at short term but also look at means Long Term Solutions which must mean that the military many seen as a scene that we always be a crossroads of migration and so therefore that we will have to have a public system of social risk in place that makes it stable. And the boy was in an essay that do you share negativity from. In as much as it may not be a common policy across the knessets just to you but its got to be i mean 2015 were talking about 1300000 people we really need to find solutions i think a lot of the still the problems that were discussing though and not linked to the numbers of people there i think theyre not linked to the the situation there that the people that are arriving in there are actually linked to the political crisis. And i think thats what my tail was touching on that there the that theres a lack of you know other countries stepping up theres a theres a political there was a political crisis that was deescalated we have as i said before we have to keep this in perspective its you know i dont like talking about numbers because i think thats a secondary point but the numbers are very small yet you have yet you have people dying in the Mediterranean Sea at a ratio that we havent seen before and why is that that is because theres no power its currently doing productive search and rescue when before 2015 there what was the case so we have to also make sure that we we are not also buying into the political crisis that are being created and that were looking for humanitarian solutions were being rational are being pragmatic and were making sure that with entering the needs of people at the heart of the conversation which often gets lost ok there is this elephant in the room the voluntary aspect of what were talking about what we think this deal may or may not become would it work or would it be helpful to say poland and hungary if the e. U. Centrally said we will throw money at this and that would then presumably send the right signals to the greek government which brings us back to last boss 24000 people who came out of boats and theyve ended up on lesbos they cant go back and they cant go forward yeah right you see the problem here is that indeed this kind of deal is not going to greece you know in a way in any way so for now this tentative deal yes it. Does not go to help in greece and spain unless we we negotiate this kind of agreement that its not only a sense of the terrain. To be to them other than one fault or state interest lets suppose that this happens then yes it might help to put more to. Say. Probably its much better to throw money at them saying we want to punish and kind of like this 1. 00 to not participate at the same time and not be. At that you know Group Countries 300 pilots on duty buying this deal which is monitoring the end and i think that migration can be dealt with more of the number of. Countries that want it but are disputing any deal that can alleviate the pressure on 1st countries arrival should ease days not huge consensus on these despite these kind of 1st steps and so even germany and france are some will be pushed but it will not be computed right now at least and by the narrative of crisis that really wasnt enough to say well you know backtracking and be backtracking a bit and maybe going back to this International Force so yes there is some way out of these prices it will be willing to take my missteps underway for years a theory here on inside story weve just been joined from birmingham by marianne a research on violence and boarders at the university of birmingham welcome to you here on the program weve kind of established in the past 25 minutes or so that this is a a domino a chain of responsibility to make this draft deal work and function properly within that chain which country or which countries reaction is the weakest link for you its a bit complicated but a thing this reaction is that the west wing because they dont seem to have an actual plan that a way respect human rights. But at the end of the day its the e. U. s responsibility to takes to take some action and actually something how can it be made to work. Her. Im not sure that it can work if were speaking about they get their kid there then its not going to work its not working because all the responsibility has fallen on grays agrees is incapable of doing anything and im not sure its willing to do anything and they you at the same time they do the same still and are willing to do something and we have seen this with. The agreement that they have made with italy and libya their grandmother they have made in grays so im not sure that theyre actually have said their minds on finding a solution were talking about the e. U. Turkey deal thats a little bit of agenda were also talking about this new draft deal that they will Start Talking about early next week who is the Main Driving Force behind that and are you convinced that they can deliver on the mend some that they need to deliver on to make it a success. No i am not convinced that they will find a solution and they will make a success out of any detail because they dont seem to be willing to find a solution so i am. Unless i see the actual day less the talks start and less we have the final draft and the final agreement then all i can say is that i think its going to be a failure who do you think you know the past has shown us pardon me for interrupting you that who do you think will win out here the lobby that seems to say send them home or and maybe deal with the issues back home wherever home is or welcome them to europe but move them around within europe and then process the paperwork i think the love with us send them back with wayne but its not going to be successful because in order to send them back they 1st have to establish that where this and the bike is a is a safe place. And. The country that will accept them back should actually accept them because this is how Bilateral Agreements are pork and im not sure that its going to happen. Again of that they. Should should get some search should have the for the final response a break then people should be distributed and get out because if they some of them by their lives are not safe because at least those who are in greece the majority of them are refugees that are not economic migrants are or however they want to call them ok we have to leave it there thanks to all our guests today they were removed. Lucky. And thank you to you 2 for your company you can see the program again any time on the web site out to sea org dot com and for further discussion to check out our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter at a. G. Inside story tweet me ill take you back on that one for me and the entire team here in doha thanks for watching will do it all again at the usual times tomorrow until then from me to you about. This is a dialogue that you decide not to have to. Take is really human survival everyone has a voice that has started to their community because of course this is a debate and its a heated one this is a little creation literally before we do teach and ideally join the conversation with people i think. Knew what is happening to we were muslim. They will be with us and they will be outraged on how to 0. Well you know. Some of it i like. Im adrian filling in the top stories on aljazeera the Hong Kong Government isnt acting emergency laws including a ban on face masks of protest rallies chief executive says the ban shouldnt be mistaken for a state of emergency shes been unable to stop or. Island against how hong kong is wrong hong kong its not in a state of emergency and we are not proclaiming that hong kong is entering a state of emergency but we are indeed in an ok sion of serious danger which is a state a condition in emergency regulations ordinance by the chief executive council to exercise certain powers and i would say that we are now in rather extensive and serious public danger leading democrats in the us are accusing President Donald Trump of breaching his oath of office after initially asking ukraine to investigate a potential rival hes now asked china to do the same and White House Correspondent kelly how could reports from washington. With his presidency caught up in an impeachment investigation over a phone call with the ukrainian leader u. S. President donald trump on thursday called on china to get involved china is just about as bad as what happened with. When you phrase the unconventional requests to beijing comes as trump faces questions over his administrations request to foreign governments to help investigate former u. S. Vice President Joe Biden his potential democratic rival in next years president ial contest. Trump was chinese authorities and other countries to investigate bidens son hunter and his business dealings overseas members of the u. S. Congress are investigating allegations trump abuse just president ial powers in a july phone call with ukrainian president vladimir selenski we need real support in a trunk calls for an investigation into the bidens which is now the foundation of an impeachment inquiry led by democratic lawmakers on capitol hill 3 committees in the house of representatives on thursday question former u. S. Special envoy kurt volker about his orders from trump regarding a meeting in kiev just one day after trumps infamous july phone call with ukraines leader bowkers name is mentioned in the complaint provided to congress by an anonymous whistleblower House Speaker nancy pelosi says the impeachment inquiry is investigating whether trump implied he would withhold military aid to ukraine unless an investigation was launched against there is a quote quid pro quo if youre if you are already a couple days apart and granting or withholding and then asking for a favor to create dirt on your political opponent but trump maintains there was nothing nefarious about his phone call with the ukrainian president the whistleblower never says it was a conversation he got is it the vice of ideas sex or dessert has he wrote something the result of 6 years the former Vice President argued theres no evidence that he or his son committed any wrongdoing. John. There are no true church scares me. Sure theyre very independent you sure to say. Yesterday if you charge let this. Be. Still the number of trumpet ministration officials ensnared in the impeachment inquiry continues to broaden Vice President mike pence is now in the spotlight after reports the president tried to involve pants in efforts to pressure the ukrainian leader Kimberley Health at aljazeera the white house the deaths off the 4 days of antigovernment protest in iraq has now reached 44 Security Forces are using live ammunition to disperse those to firing a curfew in baghdad a new dam in ethiopia is threatening the water supply to countries downstream representatives from saddam ethiopia and egypt are holding an emergency meeting in khartoum to discuss how the water can be shed theres the headlines that hes continues here on aljazeera. Mudda and saudi consulates next. Nobody is happy with that but back then cut it into pieces it would be finished it is secure fishel animal iran has the right. Were. Back again are trying to find out what happened to demolish saudi arabia from farms or to turn water markers. Democracy show you from up. Some form of closure to foreign minister saying this was all a terrible and the execution of Jamal Khashoggi your frequent critic of the shots on the regime and the side of the saudi consulate to your amy im. Trying to. The world here telling of josh of jane was a premeditated foreigner monday the 1st of october 28th. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary in the belgrade forest in the northwest of the took his city of istanbul. It was the start of the week so there were only a few visitors. Just before sunset surveillance cameras picked up a car belonging to the consulate of saudi arabia in istanbul it passed through a security gate before moving through the forest it would later emerge in the tookie shouts about newspaper that it was carrying the saudi military attache. Xeni what took his intelligence would call a surveillance mission. According to. Elma xeni had returned to istanbul from jeddah that day with a deadly plan. To eliminate the saudi journalist jimbo. When i was on the 21st of june 27th Tina Mohammed bin selma was made crown prince of saudi arabia. 2 weeks later a major diplomatic crisis blew up in the gulf between saudi arabia and 3 of its allies and qatar. Also that june another writer close to be in selma advised either to take part in the campaign against qatar or to leave the country. Chose to leave saudi arabia he flew from jeddah via london to the united states. The pressure increased believe into 14 or to 15 when he was banned from writing minster of information decided to publish the letter from writing and i think you found that very insulting you should remember the german was banned from tweeting and writing articles why he. Because hes. Weve. Worked. For i think 100. Version 230 no he just has to do it right. 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In august 27th teen ashaji tweeted for the 1st time from his self exxon in the us i returned to writing and tweeting grateful to his highness the minister of information for his kind efforts gratitude and loyalty to the royal crown prince no free pain is broken and no tweet is silence under his reign. The tweet seemed confusing and contradictory and posed questions about her relationship with his native country. The saudi authorities had banned him from writing in a phone call from an adviser to the royal court so doubt qahtani. Ashaji later referred to this ban in a b. B. C. Interview shouted be a little you. Vidar you. Must call your bluff will be a real hard if you will live any im going to be. In september 27th teen the show she started writing for the washington post. This enabled him to communicate with a far wider audience and sphere of influence. For the saudis i think this was the scariest thing the guy writes for a paper thats already all over the world that are driven by this is a makers in the us. Also my premise in mind enoughs if i have a family coffee then them for better than many men do a lot of the thought. That i am their mother wasnt the most because he more. By this time she wanted to legalize his status in the u. S. And in december 2017 was granted political asylum that offered him a degree of stability and he began to create a network between washington is down bull london and other world capitals khalid elsa fori took the producers of this program to his friend jamals apartment in Tysons Corner virginia. They managed to contact a show she saw on the dollar but the call led nowhere. The phone. 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