Is it too late to stop Climate Change scientists warn time is running out as millions of young people demand World Leaders and now the world that passion turn into Political Action this is our story. Hello and welcome to the program im wrong come on were running out of time to stop Climate Change thats the warning from the United NationsWeather Agency as well and leaders meet in new york from major at Un Climate Conference the World MeteorologicalOrganization SaysCarbon Emissions increased 20 percent in the past 4 years which are on track to be the hottest on record and ice sheets are melting faster than before causing sea levels to rise by 5 millimeters a year scientists warn that even if every country meets the carbon emission cuts agreed in the paris climates agreement in 2015 the world would still be 3 degrees warmer which is potentially catastrophic. Its this see thats forced millions of young people to protest from asia to africa they rallied to demand action from political leaders meeting at the un the swedish teenager who inspired the Global Climate strikes says their voice must be heard millions of people across the globe. Marched and the hmong does real Climate Action especially young people. We show that we we are united and that we young people are on stoppable. Before mondays summits the u. N. Secretary general told al jazeera as planet as a west program that World Leaders need to turn up with plans not just speeches i have seen a granddaughter. I have no idea how the world will be when they have little of my age when they will be 70 the world will be completely different but when seeing is clear my age in the nation is the obligation to allow them to leave you know a Healthy Planet and we are not feeling that obligation we these drawing the planet in which they live to leave. I. Lets bring in our guests joining us from kale in the u. K. Sharon george senior lecturer in Green Technology and environmental sustainability at Kiel University on skype from london and cofounder of the activist Group Extinction Rebellion and in brussels simon head of Public Affairs and campaigning at klein a nonprofit Environmental Organization welcome to you all id like to begin with you Sharon George in kill its not so much Climate Change anymore but its Climate Changed even if we try and reverse things now its almost too late isnt it to try and do that so surely what we should be looking at is an achievable goal and how to deal with this new reality that we find ourselves in. I think so i think with Climate Change is here we keep talking about Climate Change prevention weve gone way past that now Climate Change is happening and it is affecting things around the world so now were in this new rain and i have adapted ation but that doesnt mean though that we can just ignore the prevention that every day that we prevent. More and more missions being emitted the worse things are getting so it needs to be a 2 pronged attack at this we need to be caught in the missions even more urgently while we now look at mitigating the effects of the impacts of Climate Change that are here let me bring you clear feral in london youve got people on the streets youve got young people talking about all of this but is there really anything that an organization like yours can do it seems to be that it might be too late it might be time so adept just trusted you to the new reality that we found ourselves in. Well. Yes i think that the situation in that you know such that the Scientific Community dont know the new set until when Different Things will happen in terms of the way that this is going to play out. There is a great complexity to the things that we are trying to model and that people are trying to project. The rigor of that work is very much appreciated by people except for benyon but its important that we recognise that were in a very high risk situation this is a Risk Assessment moment i think and indeed there is a need for mitigation and adaptation and a lot of the adaptation is going to be social and to be honest emotional and psychological that people need to get their heads around the fact that we are guaranteed now i think to pass on a worse life to the next generation every every successive generation we dont have any precedent for that we dont them somehow to do that so yes the challenge is huge. Its not to say that its useful or i think acceptable to say that you know the time has passed and weve missed the boat we cant stop anything from happening we can still prevent things from being the absolute worst Case Scenario and and in my opinion its absolutely important that we dont sort of writings are by saying its too late also 6 were ready has been set up in a way i think to see ahead the potential for the social and political conditions that can lead to things like fascism resource scarcity displacement of millions of people theres going to be war theres going to be famine people are going to suffer and so arguing the case for direct democracy now is hopefully a preventative measure of those things emerging but how do you keep claiming your optimism when you hear somebody like Sharon George say actually you know there are drastic measures we need to take how do you keep europe as in how do you how do you sell that autumn is into you know people who could potentially be extinction rebuild rebellion supporters i mean its quite hard is that. But its not about being optimistic because i dont have to hold a huge amount of hope and lets be honest you know ive lived my entire life as a organized a campaign of sustainability practitioner and educator and i feel. Very strangely liberated by the context of our life right now because i think its fair to say that for me it seems theres nothing else really worth working on some people think that will have social club so then 10 years even in the u. K. So what other work is that it to. Bring people together in the community i want to bring some an old token hit from brussels sun we get told so often the we need to as individuals do something stop using plastic bottles Single Use Plastics we need to cut down on the amount you draw if you will we need to there are measures we can do as individuals but thats not enough is it the course of like to ask you is this is about legislation legislation they just place in isnt this is about Big International organizations the un the e. U. Actually putting in place legislation putting in Place International law that can be that is achievable and that can be enforced. Definitely i mean we all have a role to play but if were really going to to to get out of this mess and tackle Climate Change we its government has to play their part and bring in these laws and bring in the policies that we need to see and also the private sector as well but we know unless government brings in those policies the parties had one tags and so. Thats what were trying to do it would force the court knows that we have really bring in new ambitious policies a new laws theyre going to help get us out of this mess but the bottom line of all of this i mean is that businesses wont change unless they see a profit in it so that has to be you know a halfway kind of measure you know businesses still have to make money but we still have to try and do what we care yeah business is to say that i think were going to have to take people just as much as profits now but also its not going to be profit for profitable to burn fossil fuels in the long run it just wont be i gave an example of some work that we did recently in poland we bought shares in a Company Called ennia which wanted to build a new coal fired power plant there in poland and we bought some shares and took a shareholder case against that company and force them to stop building a call for a power plant and as soon as we want to a case their share price went up 4 percent which showed that the market agreed with the fact that bill burning fossil fuels is not going to be profitable so theres a huge of course a huge environmental risk to burning fossil fuels and carrying on as business as usual but also theres a financial risk to these companies that we continue to bury their heads in the sand and not take action so you know we need government to force them to our bodies probably communities have got any sense theyd be doing the right thing already sharon i see you nodding your head in agreement there but it must be very difficult as a scientist to actually put forward a plan to big environmental agencies the big World Governments agencies like the u. N. For example and get everybody to sign up to i mean that must be frustrating for the Scientific Community. Its hugely frustrating weve been saying weve been warning about this for decades and its almost now were in this situation of a told you so and the what from a scientific point of view if we see any problem through the lens of technology or this isnt a Technology Problem we know that we technically we can solve this by cutting emissions are simple the problem here is economic and social socially thats changing now we see movements like the extension rebellion moving toward an ordinary people who would not normally protest put voting with with through through the means of protest so the problem lies with the economics and there are new Business Opportunities that will emerge out of these but there are Economic Impacts of doing nothing and we are are going to see a massive changes in things like you know the ability to grow food flowed in massive environmental impacts through flooding worldwide if were even if we stick to the 1. 00 target which is going to be massively difficult now to achieve because weve left it so long that every day we leave its going to be harder to achieve if we even if we just stick to that the amount of Sea Level Rise that we predict is going to affect millions of people around the world to live near to those coasts and cities. Located towards the near to those coasts the economic damage this going to occur even if we stick to the ambitious target is going to be its going to rack up and then somewhere were going to have to meet that cost financially. I was only a decade ago people thought environmentalists were funny tree huggers you know they were a bit you know not quite serious about the way the world worked Extinction Rebellion has changed that slightly in the is much more kind of activists but youve still got a problem where Large Businesses and World Leaders are dismissive of what youre asking for how do you change those mines or do you even bother do you even bother with the Business Community do you even bother with you know governments. Well the Business Community exists you know governments exist what were proposing as our top demand would be for citizens assemblies to be formed can take these. Deliberative and well informed processes forward in order to make different decisions that currently our governments quite frankly are not capable of you know their lobby their vested interests we havent seen the make any of the right decisions impact in the u. K. They consistently drafted and inforced policy which consistently makes everything much much worse theyve acted against the common interest almost every turn in terms of the environment particular this government we have at the moment so i think you know to say that we want to ignore them isnt isnt true but we certainly want to see power given to people that are capable of making very different decisions and as for the Business Community you know how the weve had a very well opposed to perception recently you might know that weve done a lot about actions around fashion week and around the fashion industry weve been invited to round tables in the house of commons and to other meetings with people in business to talk to them very real have a very real conversation basically about what the situation is and i think that respectful in on any level with people who hold any power in our society is super important and thats what were about is nonviolence respects and you know cause to engage with reality which is hope what were bringing to the table whether or not we can turn around the people quickly enough or ask people to make the right decisions then you know that remains to be same because of course since we launched it made a huge impact but only really on the rhetoric. Not only emissions and not on biodiversity loss which is so space is heading for total total catastrophe potentially within our lifetime one of the. People whose mind you definitely need to change is the u. S. President donald trump i want to bring in simon when you have such a powerful man the leader of the free world he calls himself i mean how do you when this man says were ripping up the Climate Change agreements we saw on the restrictive to business they restrictive to growth how do you get your message out to somebody like that to the people who support him who say actually you know maybe you guys on telling the truth and youre making out to be a lot bleaker than it actually is. Well i think you have to stick to the evidence and stick to the science and i think Extinction Rebellion and threat of the homework in the school strikes and all the people out there protesting across the world. The past year and of the past week the pattern last friday that we saw deserve huge huge credit and i think theyve driven i think theyve driven this issue roy of the political agenda and yes its only in the rhetoric of the moment but weve got to keep that pressure because the only way we have going to get anything meaningful actually through this pressure and i think. It is have a lot of credit for that in terms of donald trump you have to. Try and take people with you and appeal to the evidence and to the answer and to the facts and you know hes hes the president yes hes very powerful but you can still take action and small legal action against more Different Things that will stop him doing what hes trying to do and i think. You know china are starting to take action now on Climate Change other countries too and hes a very isolated on that world stage and yes its you know its terrible they pulled us out of paris but theres an election next year and hopefully well be able people be able to make the case that Climate Change action on Climate Change is one of those issues that deserves to be to be to be voted on and you know heard some of us want to have a follow up question with you because im very interested in this kind of legal action that you guys taking and this idea that you can buy shares in a particular power plant and get them to change their behavior is that is that working on a micro level is this working on a much larger level with other organizations doing the same thing. Well if you take our cases on air pollution and weve weve been the u. K. Government now 3 times in court and weve also won a number of high profile cases in german cities and one that was meant as the. Governments had to bring in policies that arent good enough by any means but they brought in policies that is basically going to lead to the phase that diesel vehicles and euro and diesel vehicles are harmful to our health but they continue to be manufactured will billy remember the the volkswagen scandal yet the mark in these are is dropped drastically not party to the scandal its partly due to the fact that governments are now having to take action air pollution so what wed like to see is the action that we take would lead to a Ripple Effect so. Were taken action on coal fired power plants across europe were trying to get them shut down or at least cleaned up in greece in germany remain here. And we hope the you know victory in one control alito the policy changes in others and and push that world and in our own way to towards to tackling this issue and i think you need i think the issue of the problem of Climate Change in the disaster of Climate Change is far too big for any one movement or any one organization to be able to to to deal with it its going to take everybody coming together to do their part to try and achieve that change and thats how well get that change and sun earth has got a huge role to play but its only a small welcome compared everything everybody else is as well so what were saying then is like a 3 pronged strategy that you guys almost represent you have the legal action and the Business Community you have activism and we have science sharing george and kill those that film a few years ago lawson where. I think matt damon gets stuck on mars and he says im going to have to silence the s. Out of this to try and survive is there a scientific solvable is there something the Science Community could do rather than say its all doom and gloom and we cant really change anything we need to adapt. I think this is this is a think its got its got the theres solution lies and lots of Different Things the problem isnt just one saying make this problem weve weve got emissions coming from transport weve got Emissions Committee for electricity production weve got be a from Food Production so we can all individually have an impact on waste in less you know we talk about fast fashion we can try and buy more ethically and we can we can do things like lobby our governments to do things are on the more on a big a scale and increase the level of of electricity and energy from renewables the other thing theres not a national planting trees say they want to deforestation thats happened so that just planted you know that the recommendation from the i. P. C. C. Report was to plant you know millions of trades that could make a massive deference to see question that carbon is in the atmosphere so there are things that we can do but its not going to be one thing its going to be lots and lots of Different Things but you cant plug trees because somebody like bill and sarah the leader of brazil says actually youre messing with my my economy by doing this and i actually was quite straight with mccrone when mccrone said they were going to get money it was like no this is our economy the us with everybody still thinks as an individual country nobody thinks globally on this and thats a big problem for all of you when it comes to trying to sell this message but to the Scientific Community because you know the evidence is there but youre still coming up against the economy. Yes and that this is a historic think weve been weve been banging on about the evidence the evidence is there for decades now and now we have so with the planting trades youve got the food fuel debate if youve got if you want to go towards biofuels youve got issues around well with the ethics of growing those biofuels in the food fuel debate them so i mean that fundamentally the problem is weve put too much pressure on the resources in the planet we have and were not managing those resources in the way that sustainable you know we strongly believe scientifically that we have enough resources that we have enough you know we can we can draw more energy from renewable to to support ourselves if we manage our resources sensibly and thats whats not happening globally and its going to take a lot that the likes of president s around the world and leaders to step up to that and really take the Scientific Evidence and look at the social impact and come up with a coherent plan thats going to be ambitious and difficult but i think people are ready to get behind that. Now we are running out of time but i do want to ask one question to all 3 of your begin with you simon in brussels what do you want out of this un Climate Change conference where other the big things that youd like to see happen we would like to see National Governments making ambitious actions. Phasing out fossil fuels from their economies of us action on transport those drugs action on our housing setters the proper concrete policies and proper ambition not like what we saw in germany of the weekend which is a pretty pathetic plan a plan that had plans to carry on but burning coal or into the future thats not the right thing to do what we want to seize ambitious policies that shows they listen to the public they listen to peoples concerns and they get this message and theyre going to take action clitheroe would you like to see from this un Climate Change conference. Well its hard to say isnt it because you know the International Negotiations have been absolutely terrifyingly ineffectual and it does seem to me that using only. Only science as a sort of guide and then allowing sort of politics and economics to come in and say that some realistic for the economy that would be better for our economies keep things same its also to do with an attachment to what exists now and sort of lack of imagination for what the future could look like but i guess what i would say is the commitment 1st stop the harm would be my what i would long to say so a stop on day forestation a whole on searching for hard to find fossil fuels. All of the things that were actively making worse which when you know we havent even stopped making the harm worse it gets worse every single day so that would be the 1st thing to stop the harm and then to commit to begin the repair that it needs a very very different. You know approach intellectual and emotional. George what would you like to see. Say a stop on any subsidy that supports fossil fuels and id like to say more subsidy for renewables and low Carbon Technologies and Tree Planting and have attacked and i think with government star sub putting money behind those negatives and taxing those those initiatives that are more harmful then i think the those economies all find themselves. Thank you very much to all our guests to Sharon George and kale clarifier in london and simon all called in brussels and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website aljazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story and you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a. J. Inside story for me iran current and the whole team by now. I. Through these doors will walk the influence as the experts my special guests. 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