A perfect example of what i love to see which is which is whats called joint media engagement now i completely agree with with carol which is that if we have kid kids completely just staring at screens by themselves all day i think that i think thats a problematic thing but i also think we should we should you know its pretty hard to raise little kids i have 2 kids and its really exhausting and you know i worry about the guidelines like with the World Health Guidelines scaring parents into thinking that their kids are going to get brain damage if you say hey how about i show you a video for 10 minutes while i take a shower and i wish that i had had a way to keep my kid distracted for 10 minutes when that when it was a newborn for exam for example but if thats happening all day i think we have we certainly have a major problem france there is a study that. Looks at what may happen to getting status spends a lot of time passive and watching a screen and one study came out to say that from paps from language ability wasnt as good that cognition wasnt as good that maybe the Smart Devices were making them stupid. So we seen several you know kind of paper or isnt in a lot of the researched that that looks a negatively its cream time gets a lot of pl this we have done our own research on the adolescent Brain Cognitive Development study which is a fairly large study our 1st papers were in the 1st half of the co heart which is about 4000. 00 subjects and theyre not tiny tiny groups im in we do see that if you have a lot of screen time there we see some negative associations what when we started breaking that down by different types of screen time we saw that it wasnt all my julie explicit it so we saw a kids who were using on social connections whether it was social media were are face time mean or video chatting or im texting in leaves or 9 in 10 year old cant so theyre not you know teenagers they actually had leslie problems they have more physical activity so it was not all equal you know we look to kids who spent a lot of time playing video games in a mall we did see some correlations these are not cause ational studies at those warnings was looking at onetime bite my sack correlations rig at him with kind of behavioral problems in zimmer internalizing next terrorizing problems but we also saw slightly higher i. 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Scores and those kids are out chris lies and townsend schoolers was have glees what were looking out so reseed that did its not universal vine lot of the are many i have his now so i thought i said i also just i want to make the point 20. 00 that its you know a lot at these studies even maybe cities so the which im also involved and florences been talking about lake were looking it a large cohorts of kids but kids are a fundamentally different well all fundamentally different right we all have different characteristics and i think that that may also contribute to sort of these fidei its im so right now the stated literature is where or lumping like a large cohorts of in fence children a and or adolescence together and looking at sort of gentle outcomes for were not looking at difference is between kids were not looking but very closely a difference is between types of scream to am and seeing how those differences may affect sort of cognition like you mentioned may affect Brain Development may affect sort of behaviors or say catterick some right children i know you want to come in here let me just show people just a little bit of this timeline of the c. 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Study this a timeline of events of this is this is ongoing setting with a bunch of 9 to 10 year olds and how i care is that it goes up until the 19 to 20 starts quite a long time and how and and the ways that people think studied or youngsters will study at that point scans they have to test the time on the i pads etc etc so were not really going to understand this fully until these youngsters are actually fully grown adults student i had yeah well i think i think thats true it would certainly not going to understand until are fully grown adults and i often think you know every parent in history has had to deal with the with new things a changing world and i think that this is what we really need to think of as parents as teachers as caregivers we need to go if were moving into a Digital World if were moving into a connected world how are we going to make sure that that our kids can live healthily with these things right that theyre not going to go away you know as as as both as both florence and cara have said right theres not really consistent across the Board Research showing us that its toxic but its problematic so what we really need to do is go our were going to build the kinds of attitudes the lines of parenting practices because the kinds of routines that make sure its integrated into a healthy healthy life that allows us to be able to do the great human things all the great human values and then also and then also put that together with these great new technologies there are so many Amazing Things that these technologies have brought into our lives and what i want to do is teach our kids how to leverage those technologies for kindness and for compassion and to have a better world honestly as i had to precisely with their columns combatives im going to clear get some of the community in because i love in you 3 and i have questions and things when you say with a as you have you here going to make you work this is far and its a challenge being a parent and he sums up beautifully havent i sent him. Well because they. Want to establish a room for screen time but the problem is that there is no will very often to do it with with this. Street and huge cube and all the stuff we did on the internet just so easy so for the need. For a dog owner to just say oh so already steve or norton if. We ever find something thats going to caricature as much as the screen and there it is its just for the better and so i think. Trying to find something as exciting and engaging its new chairman saying show me he has it doesnt look like foreigners found it yet. You know what i think so i think were getting away from you know so let florence i mean lee work with older children like adolescent age but i think. When were talking screen time behaviors we need to be talking with parents very very early about these things before the kids are introduced to st so i am a mother of 2 very Young Children and i have another on the way you know and these are things that im talking with my 3 year old about now and putting a rules and sort of parameters around screen time into practice so that when they age into the ages of wanting to be on you tube and wanting to be on social media and thats what their friends are doing and things like that then they are doing those things appropriately theyre doing them responsibly and monitoring that and. Letting those practices place very very early before the kids are involved in those things i think are really important i love what youre saying here characters ive often said but you know that when we when we do that before surveys they find that the average age we tend to give kids smartphones or devices is 110 or 13 children killed and i have to show you this this is one lucky man hes actually watching right now that one says i am actually considering buying my 7 and 10 year old brother as. I do that i dislike good effort should he do it i think its so absolutely good what i was going to say was that we get we tend to give it to kids when theyre living in 13 thats when they hit puberty thats when they start to be interested in risky behaviors that turn their hormones start to rage thats when they start they start to have aggression i have a 13 year old and hes 7 lee doesnt want to listen to everything i say when he was 70 he wanted to do was be just like dad all he wanted to do was follow the rules i think thats a great time to start teaching good day habits right until theyre already ready. No us like when your little brother is go ahead buy them a photo oh yes i have this one for you if shes she says shes loving the conversation that as a says now much a how i try to limit the screen time the way i matter they get involved with some gadgets and they do it intelligently so even if they try and stop it theres always a wife oh its like there is in our research which you know are 9 and 10 year olds but thats still fairly young we actually see that the parent and the kid reports of how much time the child is funny on the screens dont match at all but there. Was one of them and one parent asked me what is the shocking most shocking thing and i dont know that it was really shocking but then we see that the parents and the kids really dont have the parents do not know how much time the kids are spending and to kind of follow up and some items that have come up repeatedly and i think its really important that we remember that not every child has the same opportunities and i think that theres a lot of pressure saying screen time is the bad guy screentime is the problem were left a problem and there are definitely children who do not have the opportunity to do a lot of these other things they dont have opportunities to play sports they dont have opportunities to go play outside in their neighborhood you know my children there we dont go outside like we have a brand new park right next to our house go play with their friends but there are kids who dont have that opportunity so theyre spending a lot of time on screens and i think that shows up and a lot of our research our research is highly significant based on Family Income based on if its a one or 2 parent home and based on parental jobs as of the parents have more than one job or not so we have to remember that screens arent always the bad guy or whats causing the problem they are an option specially in some families and im sure in certain parts of the world where they its a very different cultures. So what we need to be careful that were just blaming them because its easy to say screens are bad lets take them away without giving another opportunity or fixing some of the problems where kids dont have the opportunity i feel that were doing a screen time clinic right now because f. A. Have made this as a stream i am mostly self into books as a child my children a muscle. I have no idea how to control that or should i even control them. Well you know you know when when when when the Printing Press was invented everyone was worried that kids were reading too many books that they were going to be immersed into the. Books right before i met you know storytelling had been to church or around a campfire in some kind of communal communal situation and when books were 1st invented everyone said oh theyre going to have their nose in it theyre going to be so isolated in the ad to be so lonely theyre not going to develop any social skills yeah. There is this question about guilt though as as as a parent youve been guilty of it are you not bring out your children in the right way if you are now them to spend an awful lot of time on tech which is tech thats everywhere. What do you think. So you know i think clients write up a really good point so some families some parents just dont have the ability to provide other things for their kids outside activities or sports can be very expensive like music things like that could be very very expensive a lot of times the parents arent necessarily in the home. And so i dont know that guilt is the way to feel for those parents as parents really have no other other option and again its looking at this good versus bad and again its just like the nuances of what the kids are doing when theyre in gauging in screentime activities some things are probably good for them some are bad for them some probably lead to sort of social communication that they wouldnt get otherwise you know i think about autism spectrum populations for example that have a really hard time communicating with others in person but like multiplayer video gaming can be really helpful for those kids because they can engage with others around an activity that they are very interested in and they have very oftentimes restricted activities that theyre interested and so again i think its hard to think about like bad versus good. Should you feel guilty versus not to local to you without talking about the nuances the obvious thing thats come from this conversation quite powerfully from out on Like Community is its not easy being a parent he has no idea. No no no and he said as a video comment she followed up with a tweet pop one not a guy hacked. Everything since the printer for her from an orphan who. Grew up. More or. So no saying that the adults had to look at their screen time to help the kids do it as well and so shes got paints books an expensive fragility a book which got ruined in 2 days which is drying where they are kids and they are letting friends i love that you were saying about sending the kids out is that another alternative that doesnt cost money necessarily and thats another way or 2. 00 parents are too scared to do that go play outside. You know i think there is a shift when i was a kid were outside more than i think that kids in my kids generation are and theres theres something behind that theres a theres fear out there and whats going on you know we see these stories in social media where kids went to the park by themselves and people call the police on those parents. Because we have this idea that we should always be with our kids we should be monitoring every minute of every day so it makes it very hard and then also there are definitely kids around this country and around the world who dont have a safe place to go outside like you know i always tell my kids hey you have somewhere you can go outside when theyre like well my friends do this and like well they may not they dont live in our neighborhood they may not have a place where they can play outside i do think giving kids safe places and opportunities to do things obviously playing outside is great for their interpersonal you know connected social development which theyre you know lose a little bit of that when youre doing it via screen its good ivys the exercise which is really important to them theres a lot to be had for it but like kara said i dont want to talk about it just being good or bad because that may not be an option for every family an awful moms like well i do my kids arent safe at the outside the neighborhood we look at has high crime rate or gun violence or drug problems and then were like well you cant i dont have screens either you know youre kind of limited. So i think its important to talk about you know what are the best types of screen times as we figure that out are there things that are better than others so we can you know how direct it instead of this kind of message that its bad because its not going away and we need to teach parents how to best use it rather than just try to make everybody feel bad about it because thats not how i want to put all of you on the spot and ask you in a sentence the idea of a universal guideline for the w h carra instant reaction to that you know so if there were so you would. Be it was. I dont think there is a verse of i think different kids Different Things jordan. I would say the parents should it should ignore ignore as the screens are no part of life and really get involved in thinking about how to create healthy screen behaviors. Florence i think parents need to look at their individual children and decide whats best for them within the resources in options of the house and screens part of that great and if its not thats probably great good luck with the baby was whats the 1st take device you got to buy feel baby what is the 1st type yet wont be for a very very long time or that therell be something new out in 5 years that we havent even imagined that its even possible that a magic yet we will probably have to do a show about that tech device in the future and how to deal with it at such a pleasure unlike many here obviously love chatting to hear frauds for