Yemen many people are killed in an attack on a Detention Center by the Saudi Led Coalition calls for accountability are growing but who can hold the coalition to account this is inside story. On has a welcome to inside story today were looking at the latest escalation of the war in yemen the saudi u. A. E. Coalition has bombed a Detention Center in the city of them all at least 100 people have been killed the red cross says that figure is expected to rise the Coalition Says it attacked what it calls legitimate hooty military targets and had taken measures to protect civilians the u. N. Special envoy to yemen once the coalition to investigate and says accountability needs to prevail were discussing the human cost of the war with our guest in a moment but 1st mohamed there are reports from the mall. Residents on the sakes pujols shocked the city on saturday night aid workers have been pulling the dead injured out of the rubble. Blame the saudi m. R. O. As you quote fighting in yemen were targeting a Previous University that was being used as a Detention Center for prisoners of war. Dozens more have been brushed to hospital. I swear to god i dont know what happened we were sleeping at midnight in there was about 3 or 4 airstrikes maybe 6 it was targeting the jail i really dont know how many times it got hit but it was targeting at the teachin seemed to and the city of demand we were 100. 00 people on the ground level and around 150. 00 at the apple evil and in the red cross came. C. People under lock and key were trapped as the bombs fell rights activists are calling for an International Investigations into the attack on the prison they say innocent people are killed in such operations carried out by the saudi with quality saudi arabia says it plans to air strikes on healthy military targets the quality of the site was storing drones and missiles something called deny a gun a gun was that the are not going to this person the subject International RedCross Committee inspections every now and then and such accusations by riad a baseless especially as its called and its a being shared with the red cross the red cross believes after 100. 00 people were killed and its helping to find survivors some rights activists accused the whole season of war crimes by keeping opponents in such presence there is a crime committed by these in painting a political activists and journalists. And political dissidents whom they used to in places that they constantly have been advised by human rights and you know not to not to put them in a dangerous area its also most of those people who have died today have basically havent even seen in court the Saudi Led Coalition continuous bombing of residential residential areas even if they consider that you know that specific place is they believe may be and may have some. Form of the military a military target these are residential areas this is why. Such accusations has been denied by what these are the side of the bombed prison. We have an official list of the prisoners held inside the prison that is being shared with the International Committee for really. Cross all of the prisoners have been tempted by the army units from battlefields. Equality has been fighting in yemen since 2015 supporting the internationally recognized Yemeni Government against hold these the war has killed tens of thousands and had a devastating impact on millions of yemenis with many on the brink of famine and without blub. The mark province of the conflict in yemen is now in its 5th year and its resulted in tens of thousands of deaths the Armed Conflict and location is vent data project says more than 70000. 00 people have been killed since the war began Human Rights Watch says almost 11000. 00 were injured by the end of last year the conflict has threaten millions of lives 80 percent of the population requires some form of humanitarian assistance and more than 15000000 could soon face starvation. So lets bring in our panel now to talk more about this joining me here on set is has sena but adi professor of International Relations at the university of jordan from london we have but our middle east and north africa care worker at reprieve and joining us from Lancaster Simon may be one senior lecturer in International Studies at Lancaster University good to have you with us gentlemen so has a let me start with you then the saudi backed coalition are saying and theyve come under a lot of criticism for this attack of course that has killed civilians they said that they took measures to protect civilians in the mob and that the assad complied with International Law do you believe that what do you think happened here i dont really buy into this argument by the saudis because this is the 1st time that they do it and secondly i think theyre actually carrying out their psychs without having enough intelligence and that is the function of now. Having proper information intelligence about where people are actually placed. But here if you look at the number of casualties its really hard us you talk about more than 100 People Killed and even this number is and can be more in days to come i think the 11 more time we saw the dont have enough information they just bomb out of this persian because they just want to make us feel that you know theyre still in the war in a given what is happening in them and what is happening with their own partners the United Arab Emirates i think this is an out of desperation is just you know a shot in the dark and the outcome as you see right now was people civilian people are killed what do you believe happened with this is joy. Well i think there are definitely lots of lots of questions the 1st question would be did the red cross share the coordinates with the saudi that coalition that they inform them in fact that there were prisoners in this in this facility. Or not so that would be i think the 1st the 1st question the 2nd thing is i think as hasnt mentioned that this is not the 1st time that you know civilian structures would be would be hit you could say maybe it was a mistake the 1st on the 2nd or 3rd but there is a there is a pattern of if they would like to see a mistake so a lot of questions of questions are asked now i dont want to example who sees the who these have a track record off putting their opponents including journalists and i know personally 2 journalists who were placed in a Weapons Storage Facility in the mud at the irony and they were killed by an airstrike taken by the saudi to this how did it coalition so why did the who these even even know there are lots of questions now if the saudis did know and they were sure the coordinates by the red cross maybe this could amount to a war crime giving the nature of the area this is the might is a city its a heavy heavily populated area and we have a device assad at Coalition Many many times and i would say it would say its again try to avoid striking in populated Populated Areas the possibility of civilian casualties is just so high and its not even worth the risk. Simon rayburn i want to get your take on this and i want to ask you more broadly as well well whats happened here in denmark refocus International Attention a top on on the larger conflict in yemen quite possibly i mean we know that this is a misstating attack the humanitarian cost not only of this this attack but also of the conflict in yemen more broadly is is devastating its a horror and and its the people of yemen who are paying a really tragic price for what is essentially a geo political struggle now it just depends on the on the agendas of other states in the International System may extent to which they can put pressure on saudi arabia on the United Arab Emirates on the u. N. For that matter and it just depends on their their agendas whether they have the political will to do this whether they have the aspirations to speak truth to the powerful allies the saudis and their moralities whether they want to hold them to account or not and if its not then i would imagine that this will continue business as normal until there is some way of Holding Saudi in the emirates and indeed the who these for that matter to account because whats happening here is incredibly complex all of the actors are committing heinous crimes and its the people of yemen paying the price once again for for saudi saudi actions and morality actions and International Communities negligent position with regard to yemen just to pick up on some of that with with has said then why why has the International Community seemingly turned a blind eye to to whats happening in yemen after more than 5 years who i think 1st of all the International System is a loser list right now will is ok we have the only superpower the united state is a lang itself with the United Arab Emirates who are the saudis so it is part of the problem rather than being part of the solution. And for the United Nations to work independently without the backing of the United States i think its not going to be effective and this has been actually happening in different areas of the world so we need like the big countries the great poles to be on board on this issue and until this moment i think many countries value the link with the saudis with the United Arab Emirates more than they value the link with humanitarian issues or cetera so they just talk to the talk they need to walk their talk and we have to probably wait for such a thing to happen but i just want to add 11 point here that is very important without understanding the the broader context of the war in yemen there is no way that the International System would come and step in or the International Community step in and do something or you know make a difference there is an iranian aspect of it is saudi. Rivalry. With you seen as kind of a proxy for the iranians and this is how the reality is inside the many. Great example to that the idea that they that theyre being led by by iran yet at the end of that is an alliance in International Relations you know nonstate actors and country they collaborate in order to make something so now we do you agree with them or not this is a different story but i want to i want to just you know i want to add one point that without solving the broader context the broader problem between the saudis in the united. Without probably mitigating the tension between the arena in leadership and the American Leadership i think the chances for doing something for the International System to step in is really them. But what do you think needs to happen for for for the situation to change in yemen for some sort of. A breakthrough solution. Well i think a couple of things need to need to you know need to take place the 1st thing is i think from the Saudi Led Coalition and specifically talking about saudi arabia in need to assess what does it want what does it want to see in in yemen now as a yemeni i understand why they have problems with the who sees the who sees Foreign Policy is hostile towards the the region i wouldnt trust them with my countrys Foreign Policy and i dont think theyre fit to fit to govern but even the the the. The internationally recognized authority when it tried to stop to the u. A. E. Back to session in aden u. A. E. A number of strikes according to the Yemeni Ministry of defense killed 300 military officers. And personnel its from them from the from the Yemeni Military thats the military that is backed by saudi arabia so you can see how complicated the situation is and we are seeing extra like unprecedented silence from the from the saudi leadership so it needs to come into its own sense into what does it want to see in the scene yemen the other thing which might be an alternative is that they do things need to come into a form of a compromise and if they want to according to their own narrative remove the excuse from the saudi lets question from for for for intervening they need to come into a reconcile with the yemeni with the Yemeni Forces in the yemeni political their their own opponents to say we can come as yemenis into into into into an agreement so therefore we dont see means a intervention from saudi arabia under any any form or or or context now we have a basis that the who are saying we agreed to the National Dialogue outcomes they havent. Government are saying we agree to the National Dialogue outcomes the political the any political actors are saying that so we can start from somewhere were not stop fighting from from scratch but the who thieves need to understand that they cannot take on cities and towns by force that the only way to reach the power is through elections a referendum and then make the People Choose they want to who sees that they want how did they want what is the Political Party what is the nature of the state that the yemeni people the yemeni people want but there needs to be either a yemeni reconciliation and from another level the south especially saudi arabia because it is the biggest neighbor of yemen to come into its own senses what does it want to see in this country. Someone made one is there is there a workable settlement to this where where both sides could could save face. What i guess the question is who are the 2 sides that you imply in the question of both because if you look at whats happening in yemen you have this sense of parabolic forces that are operating theres the theres the who thieves obviously theres the hiding government theres the southern separatists theres all of the sort of malleable tribal Political Economic interests that are moving sort of current like across yemen each of whom have their own interests and then to yemen right now the domestic scene is trying to figure out a balance between these different groups over the very future of the state not just its political future but the territorial future of the state which adds a complex the to this internally as well as the geo political dimensions that have been touched on so its really difficult when one of the actors actually wants to breakup of the country i mean you know yemen is relatively young in terms of a state dating back to the 1990 s. 1990 and and and that suggests that we have these these currents that this Southern Transitional council who want to go back to the pre 990 time of the north and south yemen so that makes it incredibly difficult to figure out any type of serious reconciliation unless there is a real sense of pressure on the s. T. C. From external actors who force them to go to the table within the confines of the yemeni state as it currently yes but without that its going to be really difficult to figure out a solution to this. Hasnt been a you mentioned earlier how to u. S. Leadership could be crucial in or this and charlie in the in the trumpet ministration there is there is a lack of that right now if if that were to change what what could the u. S. Do to apply pressure on the saudis and the cooties in yemen. Well the 1st thing that they need to think of is like providing the saudis with with weapons and we know that the congress has something to say about this but then trump is true overcoming it be congress will every now and then so i think this is problematic because it also sends a message to the leaders of the south where they can continue that they can continue bombing with impunity and because you know the crown prince knows pretty well that hes his back is covered by donald trump so without doing something here in this area i think theres nothing with that would limit. The man because you understand the formula of cost and benefit so until this moment is the saudis are not really paying a big price i mean you know theyre paying a lot of money theyre not winning the war theyre embarrassed because of this situation after 4 years and the list moment now theyre defending the saudi land in a state of actually in the haughty and on top of that the war has generated another war that is a civil war within the southern part of yemen that the proxies or people loyal or alive the saudis are fighting those who are lying themselves with the United Arab Emirates so the United States should make a difference you know take a stand here and theyre doing this simply because trump is happy with what hes doing right now hes getting all the money from the saudis theyre investing in his economy the saudis are actually sending him the message that they need that they want to do something with the israelis and this makes it really the happy you know these no sense of urgency on the part of the americans to do to do anything but also you know the United States can do something with iran you know if theyve reached a settlement with iran over the Nuclear Issue over the missiles or anything over the in syria itself or if they reach this settlement i think this with accu the Ripple Effect will will be. Seen in india men until this moment i think you know its like business as usual were going to see more of crimes committed by this coalition the saudi emirate ecology in and with is doing the same because. There is no offering there is no plan for settlement so one more time i want to go back to my 2nd intervention here is that without working or figuring out the solution with the backers of the forces that are fighting in yemen we are not going to see any difference in even months or years to come 1st. In london then does there need to be some effort to bring the iranians. Into into this to to find some sort of settlement. Im not sure to be honest because the even though Obama Administration literally neglected yemen when it was negotiating the nuclear deal back in 20142015 back then it was much it was really really much easier im not sure what the iranians would if they come in to the table but also the thing is a lot of people just see it from a from a proxy narrative there is a yemeni dynamic that we cannot we cannot simply neglect these are just not you know moving because they are in eons are telling them to do so the people are aligned and the what is known the Yemeni Government are not just moving because the saudis are telling them what to do so there is a an actual yemeni yemeni conflict and that should be that should be should be should be addressed and one of the easy solutions which is not to make things deteriorate even further is we have right now whats the u. A. E. Doing in the in the in the south of the famine just a simple push from the Trump Administration would stop the u. A. E. From you know supporting the secessionists wire by the way equally abusive very you know author a tarion and do not accept any form of political dissent similar similar to the fiftys so they actually creating another who see similar type mentality but in the south of but in the south of a few many yemenis are the ones who are neglected forgotten in this whole in this whole whole equation and i think again you need to put it back into a pro a process that would allow the yemenis to step in and take and take leadership and ive said this many many times and i say it now again in 2015 i told this at everything leadership if you think the National Dialogue outcomes are not popular make. It serves both let the People Choose if this is what they want for the for their country or not simon may be on how do you see this playing out then do you do you expect more of the same in yemen yeah i do as your other guests of have suggested without any any serious change in in the pressure put on the various actors involved not only in domestic yemeni politics but also those regional powers that are trying to manipulate what is a essential in a civil war without that pressure then we will see the continuation of the status quo well see business as usual and well see millions of yemenis really struggling to live their lives on the brink of starvation and risking death and devastation in their lives something has to happen it has to come from International Powers to stop those regional actors from manipulating what is essentially a civil war in yemen and that has taken on regional dimensions as various actors try and increase their influence and position across regional politics so its a complex multifaceted conflict but there is something that can be done it just has to come from those at the top of the International System who can put pressure on the various states but that has to be done without will stay see the same thing continuing has a very if if the u. S. Has no appetite to to to to put pressure on the saudis in all of this then then where else should we be looking for leadership i mean can can can can the russians do anything can can can the other. The other big powers like the u. K. France do anything here and well you know they can probably help the parties talk to each other but at the same time the one who can make the difference is definitely the United States. Short of their own intervention in this crisis i think away as you said the same or said were going to witness of the same thing like with us as usual but. I think where the International Community can step in is in the humid tarion dimension and the fighting if it continues like this. Like more yemenis would be actually one step away from the famine and starvation. And also or and then demand nutrition in yemen is dominant so this could be changed with the help of the International Community but for this to happen you know this should this should be a way i mean it without even the like mind is the United States they had the cand of an agreement in the data in sweden so this could be activated again and probably at least focus on the material dimension and leave the parties until the conditions are there for a political settlement all right well have to leave it there thank you to all of our guests has somebody. And simon may bob thanks very much for being on the inside story and thank you as always for watching a renegade see the program again any time by going to our web site dot com and for more discussion you can go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is x. A. J. Inside story for me has a seeker and the whole team here. I. 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