Another program for unique identity i mean digital and parametric i didnt of identification all this data was collected there was no there is more Data Protection framework so it seems like there is no law theres more gentlemen we can mess by the government to protect the rights of privacy you to uphold the constitution which which means that right to privacy. Every day is that the government is not willing. Despite all the assurances. Jonathan were talking about a country that was marred by violence to 1007 was a clear example of the violence that erupted in the country because of the hears differences over the Political Landscape when you conduct a survey or a census in a country like kenny Adult Children the risk of further stoking that sentiment there has prevailed in the past yes the thought risk i mean i recall the previous answer got so scared i think of 999 i mean it nearly sparked so violence and i recall the result of a source where not even released so i mean the government should have learned lessons from more this and oh well what has this. Person looked rough violence in. A few years ago right so the question of thinking or disease into consideration and not just why and if it was it 1st in need it forgot that all this information what it had to do like i said early on was to educate the public i mean it like you people suggested it had 9 yes and no to do this i suppose so between that from then until now it had all the time and i believe audio resources are not the battery to educate the people says talk to people that the next census will be different from the norm will be collecting this this or that data from you as sort of and also measure to outweigh. Any doubts in the suspicious and or from the people from Human Society sorts of issues that may show that the Data Protection act before parliament that the nation about should have been passed by now dont have given. The people some confidence and again it would up a little if you feel sort of sufficient. And all that the government did was try to go that this or this a for mission a not for political election for Police Political and election purposes ok door harvey said out of the gate. In the. Interest or secure reach a misfit earlier on that would be dr attacks that will kadian kenya and other parts of the country the government needs to these to god that in order to be able to plan security which is to work yes but then on the other hand you should up or diagnose rebel just police well if you feel well if you suspicions you know and all of the half of the people. Patrick if the census is generally speaking about the need to could i just point to that please please go ahead right 1st with regard to the man 999 census. Its only data about one question that was not released and that was the question around make up of ethnic groups so how or how many people that had in the 2009 census the same question was asked on the data was released and i think it with reference to 2000 and census their walk concerns prior to the census being carried out asking that question given that we had just come out of postelection violence in 2008 that dunn might have a spot. That on might sort of build up tensions that didnt happen with regard to terrorism and security again i really have to insist that the census data being collected is not to be used to target individuals you know it has to be anonymous by lloyd to be anonymised so the idea that the government is collecting i. D. Numbers so that they can target if you poured whether they be suspected terrorists or not is itself illegal you know that i mean that the. Could be an illegal one this is simply so that government can know how many people inside a particular place is for the purpose of our locating resources not for the purpose of enforcing the law against them and in fact the noise clear that. The data cannot be used for any other purpose so they cannot share aid or theyre not allowed to share it for example with law enforcement. Forces or Security Forces theyre not allowed to and a lot of share it with prosecutorial forces you know so i think jonathan is wrong that you know there is no proof reason why at least in the context of the census why government should be allowed and should go out to be hoovering up data that can allow it to specifically target individual citizens. Gemmas when it comes to a government that has been saying that is being coming and attacks by armed groups therefore installed the new issue of the right for people to pass on information. Intelligence gathering to the government the massive surveillance platform that was put into place but then when you go to a a census why would you ask people questions that would raise many suspicions among them. In fact when im most International Fast to raise the alarm about why you are asking for a passport and id numbers the government. Responded by saying that they wanted to know how many people have genuine. I. D. s of documentation however if you look at the study sticks are that is totally what it is that is the amount beat of another department of registrations its not a month it or they can a National Bureau of statistics saw from the what their suspicions are raised and you find that its it looks like the government has its own ideas on what it wants to do and it is not really perhaps following the law. We agree that kenya has a security challenges however the measures that we have taken already in terms of surveillance intelligence or all done within the law is enough. To do. Such as a journalist and this is a recurrent issue across africa i mean the the censuses and the key issue of the political ethnic and tribal divides African Union has established a vision to work 2030 away says that we need to have sensors to be able to make projections about the shifting demographics and what kind of resources we have to put in place but when you come and ask me and aquinas to question like about me own ethnic affiliation. What kind of purpose is he going to Self Development in a country like kenya africa before as i just question let me recently gave to the other guys response what that area what i said what i said and i just try to play the devils advocate and all with what ive said previously about it got information to fight and if the french are reserved for screech at a country ill just play try to play the devils advocate but the other question look trouble is im annoyed and candaces exists in most countries but immoral in its intent it is more so in august and 0 and one in some countries that others are making any and. We have tribes about. 12 tribes and a country but its a guess or tribalism and ethnicity its not as pronounced as it is an im sorry to see it in kenya right so i do not know how this problem of ethnicity if you tend to see it as sort of what. Could be tackled but. Some of this believe im not an economist but for disallowed offical economics such as made to know how many people you know live in reeking one region to area b. Areas see a right not to. To have the government and locate resources to disinvest to various free to venture a guess but invariably a good like i said any of them might did mr b. Public Information Campaign i see a question you know to try to to try and change the peoples mindset that look as such is be not fall into far your 1st post right but to have the go bent you know i have a look at resources for example to have that got bent developed in a dick. Effectively which sure how do you start in reality more often than not in all of the. Much use an arm or can i see a sinister gun and or noble patrick this is going to be my question to patrick with we know how it works in in a country like kenya where a predominant ethnic group goes to an election than strikes an alliance with the king maker and come to power its been historic is there any concern that new findings in the new census that could change the demographics show new realities could upset the prevailing political order in kenya and this is why many many people are anxious i dont expect that it will but again youre right in the sense that the way the date or the way to utilise and how its manipulated does get people worried in the 2009 census there was. Sort of incredible numbers being reported from particular areas of the country that were then found out to be completely untrue. And its this sort of manipulation that is worrying and i think even in 1909 it was the same issue where the government did not like what the data said about. Ethnic composition of the country so i think that yes there are people who are concerned around this mostly for me it is the politicians who might cause trouble around the numbers because they use. Ethnic groups as bargaining chips and the more people you can claim and your ambit the more you can claim thank you thank you very much that it will patrick. Skip Rhona Jonathan of really appreciate your contribution to the program. Thank you too for watching you can see the program again and its time by visiting our website www dot com for further discussion go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is a. J. Inside story from a hotshot about on the whole team here by phone to. September on aljazeera up to his of war and famine aljazeera looks at the dramatic transformation emerging to the inspirational stories of ford diversity p. O. B. 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