Matter. Striking scenes in hong kong where prodemocracy protests ended their 11th consecutive weekend as crowd numbers swell will china intervene to quell the rest of. The year in the stream tweet us or comment with your thoughts in our live chat. Our 1700000 people watched down hong kong streets on sunday undeterred by rain and the heavy Police Presence the protocol excuse me the prodemocracy protests was the largest in weeks with activists estimating that a quarter of hong kongs population was in attendance the demonstration was largely peaceful but Hong Kong Police say more than 750 people have been arrested this summer since mass protests against an extradition bill erupted in june but legislation has been tabled but unrest continues as activists push to preserve hong kongs autonomy from Mainland China hong kongs government said it will be gained sincere dialogue with protesters once everything has calmed down by using however is growing impatient with the protests which Officials Say are hurting chinas image and causing economic damage paramilitary troops are massing near hong kongs border and officials warn that further on rest could prompt a Swift Intervention so can the government of china and activists in hong kong reach a peaceful resolution but joining us to discuss todays topic is agnes shouting a leading member of prodemocracy group still in hong kong. Also with us from hong kong a district councilor of the Democratic Alliance for the betterment and progress of hong kong also known as b. And finally we have mary hoya Hong Kong Based reports of the courts we also reached out to more than a dozen chinese officials to join this program but nobody was available thanks for joining us there ladies stocks online but the pictures of what was a really massive protest scene on august 18th this was on sunday. May may ying was there and these are a few things she shared on her feed a woman pleads with protesters to get off the bridge some urging each other to leave to preserve todays peaceful protests another one here this protester came to cover her with an umbrella while she took pictures because 1000001700000 estimated number were out there even though it was raining and she sent us a video comment about what she saw the protests and heres what she told the stream. Was really a much needed period of relief and took care sent to all of the violence at the airport last weekend because especially when midnight on sunday near people were waiting to see whether hong kong to get through the entire weekend without tear gas and almost like a strange kind of new years eve countdown so in the end there was no sure but it still remains to be seen whether this is a new trend or just a brief respite. This what was witnessing those protests like for you. Actually i was opposed to something and i you know i have been a participant in this movement from journalists here now and i can say that hong kong people have tried different kinds of methods to fight for our 5 demands from the Hong Kong Government but until now governments soon pretense of being not listening not listen to. Our fire and also their violence our police is as go lading day by day just when you have a look at the little picture behind me is going to come up any 2nd now and you will see it they will go all of these people on sunday protesting who do you think they are who do you know that they are under there just everyone i have friends there as well i think one of the things this is a big relief for me sunday i actually smiled after the protests because they everybodys out loads of soaking feeds me be happily holding their hat you see each photo was actually on land that means everybody gone to the protests and then these fleet went so i was really happy to see those pictures as news going on so i think it would be good i mean that will last more for the government to be where they are or how does she respond to those 5 demands rather than focusing on violence if it continues to. The rest of the other a range has i think is. What are your friends telling you that they were that today why are they on the streets of hong kong or they are very like. I have a lot of friends that are seeing. Similar groups as well as well at this moment those 5 the monsters that increase strong i think. One of the things that while you do have people that was time maybe strong and then you do have other friends saying well. The only things that im trusting is the penn station looking busy into this incidence so i think theres a lot of people having different demands but and there thats meant to have genuine reply from the government but i think at the moment one thing that was challenging for the government stepped this movement this time is pretty different from the Umbrella Movement theory is fact what happened is this time you dont have like a like a state coming out to say ok we represent the people so if you want to dialogue you can come to me this time is more like everybodys playing their role. Those werent very good at doing design youre helping out free he and like that ok it might be hard if you go into this conversation like who the government should go or maybe they should have rounds and rounds and rounds and this question. I have to see next thing i think any think that you have and this is true that this will be this new but we havent really seen the government really make. It looks like we might have lost marys sound and so why we tried to bring her back i want to pick up on the point you were making nixie about it being a Leaderless Movement and yet even given that the demand seems to be pretty clear amongst protesters so this from eric on twitter who says we as hong kong are stand firm on our 5 demands official withdrawal of the extradition bill amendments retraction retraction of a government characterization of the june 12th assembly named as a riot an independent commission of inquiry to investigate Police Violence amnesty for all arrested protesters and universal suffrage for chief executive of the whole legislature were not demanding separation or independence in this movement so the 5 demands are there and theyre posted many places online activists seem to be pretty clear on them agnes he started though with the extradition bill talk to us about how we went from protests about an extradition bill to what weve seen today. Actually were fight against the extradition agent f l and because if the extradition bill is passed in the legislative can so people could be extradited to the Mainland China was you know you know china is a country with any kind of real floor transparency and it would be very dangerous to hong kong people and also to the system of hong kong to the legal system one country 2 systems of hong kong is how can people or if a foreign or you know chatter thats coming that could be sensed it in Mainland China but when the firelands of the police. Has been escalating in this 2 or 3 months how come people to not only to mouth 40 retraction of the complete retraction arctics tradition lol but also an independent investigation over the fire that some police and also the most important thing is a democratic system of Democratic Political system and universal suffrage and will come very great jump in there elizabeth 2 while will be the context that we can jump back a little bit to chew and we 1st had a 1000000 people march on the 9th of june and demanding that we will go on and off and 1000000 people to the streets we really had no response. From the government and the government had insisted on pushing forward with the 2nd reading the bill which was the next step in the legislative process that then eventually all went to plan and it wasnt until that fall when the ones they when things when clashes happen to gasify a little its one that a few days later the governments that are now suspect. So it seems like the government tacitly implicitly or not and intentionally or not assumes the absence of think want that peaceful protests will be a bit too tame to respond to anything. And i wonder if the government. Needs to take responsibility for how much the escalation has come about because of the message and. What do you think. I think we need to also look. Honestly i mean the government is definitely not doing well a lot of people used to i know that weve used to do you support kerry last just spoke very disappointed but i think that bob and its not only. Happening in july it happened hes starting something what should a lot of like there was starting to seem like bars taken from the road census taken off and just like battling and then later on theres like. That so we cannot just say well theres only police but using bollards and not the not the other protesters i think one thing that we have from any camps just stop you spotless which is why im so happy whats happening on sunday so nobodys using violence anymore and that it will actually be more powerful than using bouncers because the government can always responses say well this is about as im not going to sponsor next meeting and he make a really good point i should say that for anyone whos following the hong kong protests i know who carried that is if youre just stepping in county lamb is the chief executive officer have a look here on my laptop i recommend you follow all of our guests on twitter but mary hawley in particular has the scintillating details of what the protesters are up to how the protests are going mary says here h. K. Protect the online store for protest care announced today that the mainland Chinese Police have confiscated. So a number of goods including gas small some how mates and the own as a now raising funds so they can refund unfilled orders and said that they are closing shop maybe this speaks to how prepared the protesters are what they feel that they are going up against is it the police that are going up against is it the police who is fronting carry them all is it government officials who are they battling right now i suppose really the movement has been the defense of one in the sense that it really started out by with people all the money that this would go that this would be what you want because they see it as an attack on freedoms and liberties so in that sense i think protesters have been really banding together and drawing on various different sectors of society and drawing on professional skills as you see with this hong kong attack website i spoke to. 2 of their members theyre all in tears and theyve really just come in together people blocking a Marketing Business on t. V. To put together this online store which im sure we can all appreciate. Its complicated logistically so i think people are now just banding together to try and respond to all these various needs and seeing what needs to be done rather than going to wards and we want to target and going back to this point and the point about this being a meatless movement i think that is kind of the most fascinating thing for me as an observer as a joe as observer so far is that it is such a. Movement and you do see so many different. Sectors of society trying to chime in and it has been truly a creative one also. Nixie you mentioned the violence being on both sides and so it only being there to look at and there are some online who are saying some group of protestors have apologized for that and have said that that is not part of their movement or it shouldnt be have their movement but others say that it came after Police Violence and i want to share this from sharon on twitter he says one of our 5 demands is to have an independent inquiry into Police ConductHong Kong Police have been using Excessive Force against protesters in different protests since june and these need to be stopped do you see that happening the inquiry into Police Conduct. I think that might have and after what the normal procedure is to think governments up piece wrong on. At this moment on various occasions and you come up to talk my myspace me on well we have a parent system on looking into do you. Think the police force any any complain that they have a little. Not not like a bureau but they have this commission to talk about that is going to look into it and go sheets in all or investigate that so i think the government to be standing strong on going on this normal procedure before that and then curry but i think on the other side when were talking about a purchaser we also new suit look into a lot of the of the hong kong as well of those of those who are actually against this protest i think one of the things that they are mainly focusing on is that amnesty part i talked to a lot of friends including myself those are no 3 with the amnesty on all the protests all of devices i think at this point as mentioned by various speakers here a lot of the violence we use excessive violence we use and those swanston represent the normal protesters and when the balance of using up its up to this level maybe amnesty should be a solution shouldnt be one of the demands of ospel. And these lands. And they had to have the normal procedure after complaining Police Officers this is actually not not a realistic way that. Protesters or even journalists who were attacked by police could follow because the pull this of this is now they are actually often hiding their own numbers are even hiding their appearance so that no one even life. Or a late. Protesters who were being. Recently thats had by police couldnt identify couldnt complain anything about Police Officers thats why these kinds of socalled normal procedure to complain Police Officers fire like a randy useless and i think its very you know you know i mean the same as saying theres no numbers of reference on the this mans who are you going to sue for you dont have a number and theyre swallowed so also hiding there i dont know how its using mosques and i think. Its because Police Weapons legally theyre holding guns legally theyre holding tear gas legally and they are also illegal every one of the love almost all violence. Yes i think we have expanded. I need to say i would think you know somebody can understand she going to. Put a pause on this for now because without a thorough investigation and an unbiased investigation there is its very difficult to prove what youre both saying unfortunately i do want to share some reporting that mary did with quartz in hong kong almost everyone everywhere including pay pets getting tear gassed let me show you how some protesters are dealing with this fascinating to watch this online thank you mary again for sharing this so you dont even have to be able to read all the details of a street just have to be at a watch it we have a tear gas canister. Protesters approaching. Its a very creative approach. Fascinating tactics about how they are dealing with how the police are dealing with then mary as youre reporting or of this how would you sum up the polices approach right now. Right. Undoubtedly we have seen. A large amount of heat ses the magnitude it was of magnitude more than what we saw in 2014 and then people whove just been caught in the fray have had to take into your gas right and i think there is a very very valid question there as to whether police really need to use this much gas and whether. It is achieving any of the intended effect because the protesters that they are looking to no longer respond. To tear gas because they will get masks and so at that point i think a lot of people being affected are the elderly its the hong kong is a very compact place place and so it ends up seeping into homes. Getting into each 3 it does add to the tension and spills over beyond just the protest site so i think undoubtedly there is a lot of. The and anger being felt by by everyone and kind of what weve seen is the government say everything needs to return to normal to kind of peacefully orderly manner of things before dialogue and then inquiry can happen but has there been a chicken and egg issue there because do you see tensions escalating because there is no dialogue and the government is saying we cannot have dialogue until were tensions are really are could have what we call down so i think there needs to be some kind of at least some kind of show of faith i think from both sides and so far i think weve seen. Very very peaceful march sunday i think that has been making the protest inside we havent quite seen the same from the government because that the kind of Immediate Response weve been in the statement has been that the government regrets this public to the tea. Organized on sunday that was characterized as. More simply because technically there was no. What welsh. Government and police expressed regret much targeted in that slogan Police Misconduct so were launching very much action i dont think and i think thats whats needed to push things forward and some very ugly interesting point that you made about the negotiations because were hearing that from people online too so i want to share 2 comments one on twitter and the other on you tube this is troy on twitter who says you only negotiate with the party who has almost the same power as you do but in this case hong kong is not chinas equal therefore china will be stooping so low if they negotiate i believe there wont be any negotiation so keeping that in mind we got this live on you tube robert says i still think china was playing the long game and knew that eventually china would take hong kong and get rid of the one country 2 systems thats of course the system that is in place now agnes keeping in mind those 2 comments about negotiations and moving this forward where do you see them going. They. Were going to get a great kid xscape from their responsibility. So 8 theyre very real its political problem that is created by actually government carol and caroline themselves and it is actually a response answer listens to the 5 demand softer protesters that is actually very very clear that we advocate or from june. I want to talk about it before we wrap up this conversation a very unusual press conference a Media Conference that was helped by the Chinese Ambassador to the United Kingdom hes perfectly precipices a very rare read to take questions read to have to ask questions on said in english so bang that all in mind this happened in last thursday and perhaps it is an indication of what might happen next have a look Central Government of china would never allowed a few violent offenders to drag Hong Kong Dong a dangerous. Dangerous a base should the situation in hong kong be curated further into unrest and control or the government of the hung come special Administrative Region the Central Government would not sit on its hands and watch we have enough solutions and you know how far we can the limits of basic law to quell any and rest swiftly larionov solutions what could those solutions be. I think theres been a lot of strong signalling from the government from the Chinese Government and relatedly the Peoples Liberation army theyve sent out to motion that is now showing. How the military and a military quelling. And protest as i think at the same time it seems to me that will be a very very closely the session for china to make the senate of the troops not to mention that theyre already troops stationed and hong kong and they have been there for well years so any i think it seems to me that a lot of this is. If i might say saber rattling and sending a strong signal that there is acute ability fortunate its troops but. It would be a very very costly but everyone shall make up this from 80 floors who says its in beijings interested keep these protests about the extradition bill rather than the overall status of hong kong within the Chinese State otherwise they risk this protest becoming it Independence Movement is an interesting point. And mix the in just one sentence because were almost out of time here is it too late is this already an Independence Movement. I think. We see a lot of amnesty. Like those black on the key flights you know it all and all that but i know its just not in your hand you can see it is not the independence of it i mean thats you know thats you guys going on right there. I dont think you guys i didnt really know or even. 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