Point youre making about pakistan which of course we will talk about the right now were talking about in the end ministered kashmir but things up here point so im saying like then tired template then that our discourse has been built on lands there was a smokescreen that was created that there is a terrorist threat to the pilgrims and the Tourist Police went to the hospital they went to the or tails and houseboats and they told the pilgrims to leave bashir you know and the pro indian politicians or of whom was the and all these guys they went to see mr garner they went to see mr morley and they were they were they were told that india will not encourage 35. 00 iraqi 70 but what happened ultimately is in the digs actually the same regions it promises not to do so why should we try to go so you mentioned the government and i want to play an excerpt from the Prime Minister himself here in germany have a listen to what he said about this for a vocation. Hum something moved our friends i have full faith that under this new set up we will all get together and rid chamoun kashmir of terrorism and separatism this heaven on earth our jamu and kashmir but once again reach new heights of development and to track the whole world towards it of living will increase for our citizens citizens will receive all the benefits they deserve without any obstacles or challenges nagi blogger do you want a man so what do you think when you hear that what do you believe the taking government hopes to gain from this. Well i think there should be a long running movie from for india is as real estate and people has having walked on parks and i dont its not true what this time will be just like what you just played he speech makes no mention of to how any of this is going to go about by simply labeling peoples aspirations for their rights as being there is limited separatism does he have a special device that can somehow meet people who. Acted differently behave differently be different people because if not then all this is going to do this is where you choreographed moves which will happen with militarization increase militarization all very night and this is the way it will be raffled that its meant to push against a wall and to try and incite them about you know their head lessness and incite them to greater violence i think its always been part of india. And the army general saying its going to get guns instead of stones because then we could shoot them this is again another animal that if men you know clearly if theyre waiting for the optics of a good media to resist so that they can be even more brutal then moderate. And not literally nothing else so instead i see you shaking your head see them go ahead. See 4 i think a lot of create news has been circulating especially in the International Media which have their own ideological biases here i dont say that i know this is not about each question of the media. Just seems like hes trying to get it out times. Refer to what i cant speak english be strong. Ok and for your information the Security Forces are all live actively percentage of restraint in you know what the times and and the feeling that i get how many but usually its also a little shy i would love to hear what sort of a screen is on this see them go ahead. You know and you know were praying indian army are somehow barbaric in august you know beef would be straight out of a bible study. From what so now am i going to belong to the wanted community that theyre going to be with actually it can equally cleansed these lord induced by not abuse in Kashmir Valley i want to hop a 1000000 of them have actually been forced to flee and become. Those people who could you hardly a threat so you know if you talking against her own community here but let me come back to the bigger point which is you know this. Is Something Big human rights you know being crushed all the people and all these all these years more be rated by a sense of ideological bias what you how i want to get on these nonpolluting so to be writing are going to meetings of all faiths but meetings people are going more people who have appreciated what is happening because were big god in the last 70 years lives. It was no better sociological you had made your point you made a personal attack against a tosser which this conversation is not about but i want to give her the chance to respond to that very briefly natasha yes yes please this is not this is not about the i mean this is about saying that you cannot have a military solution to a political problem secondly about the sheep and issue not just a mess i mean my but from my well look at what were going to eat it becomes 2 years that resisting the communalisation political dispute what kinda doctor says are doing is just when i think the sheep and it issue and using it for it and its what has happened right now. And its future even last ditch the 2nd stance is and does not make them in any way you know more secure they have not addressed the issue of line not dogma justice lark ever has happened and its anguish needlessly instead of that why just one plane does it i didnt rule so we mentioned the panda of course which were. People who are mostly hindu who love to kashmir and you hear the debate right there on why they laughed and whether or not they were quote unquote ethnically cleanse or if they left their homes because of the changing demographics so there is talk right now about people coming back and an idea of a Settler Community i want to play a video comment from someone who talks about what this rebel cation might mean for the demographics of kashmir this is mohammed is an anthropology professor and an expert in kashmir and political movements and heres what he told the stream indias decision to article 370 is constructed for media is because it leaves the up for a future of such a clueless and. To a minority of disempowered dispossessed minority because. This decision has not been taken for their development as india is saying but it is to secure. And for hindu india this is basically the final battle to me it is in the problem the process and we of course we oppose it and push me to the locals that theyre not going to sit quiet because for them its an existential question. Bob is that a fear for you what do you make of a comment. Absolutely like where we have the situation of palestinians how they have been reduced from from majority to minority and we have an example in jan kill or the 94 discernment the german genocide happened then tire region was turned from muslim majority in terms to minority area so so so the fears are genuine the anger is genuine and i dont know what i what what you know i dont think the indian media is like not playing a good role here and then mr sharon has information that comes from the indian media which has incontinently saying that everything is hunky dory in fishman despite protests in cargill which is a district in the separatists and so are massive protests and so which was initially denied bring them government and then them and then after b. B. C. And right technology reported it theyve been saying that yes there were protests so all the fear is that the issue really is will become minority in their own in the know on own own stated in the orchards the agricultural fields that their houses will be taken up and they will be cut to size and see whats happening with the Indian Muslims those those are those. The plight of Indian Muslims is before everyone they have been cut to size they have no position in the media there nor position in the politics and and now here was the last you know choice for for r. S. S. And b. G. P. To go and you know. Cut muslims in kashmir decide so others youre talking to them is taking it had freedom. Listen this whole idea that somehow muslims are under threat in india this is a complete concoction and this is part of the liberal International Agenda as well as the Islamic State let me get a little light in order. Comes for to get through and consult before it. Even who is a lot like you know one i dont know because we catch here straight finish up your point and then bob you can get an. Audience in india 180000000 are living peacefully and integrated communities theyre not living like a good deal like in question the reality with 97 percent of the people are muslim so you did it you did me you get into dependence with other people at the rate you build reading to live together you but Kashmiri Pandits and be able to slip in claims can be tracked back and read to resettle and you didnt learn more it will give you a mix of the source id well we did you want people getting it you know its something that you know so it would let me tell you but this is how the oculus you should live we should have a secret to what we do so its not believed i did i take your back way into our community who disagree with you this is how democracy should live i want to share this twitter account that we got from unisa says imagine living in an open air prison guarded by hundreds of thousands of armed forces and your favorite celebrations meaning eat with no human occasion with your loved ones that is kashmir right now but i want to push on just a little further with this week from tomorrow who says it does not matter whether you and i disagree or agree with the move what matters is whether the 7000000 people in the Kashmir Valley do but no one is asking them talking about having a seat at the table natashas so many people weve heard from feel similarly like but this conversation is happening without their voices and without their say. Well thats precisely the point that the midis are not made part of any conversation about their future in a substantive it always gets reduced to being about india vs pakistan issue and both of these countries do use my degree and sort of nationalisms in order to transform the state and the fisheries are the people whose lives are affected by it and who are being suffocated from every site also to just add a little point about what saddam said earlier i mean it would be really nice if we just didnt make assertions without any proof that have been through un reports one last year and one this year and a whole literature art that indian Mainstream Media never report about the goings on in kashmir the fact is that this is not how democracies function if youre actually concerned about about you know about People Living together peacefully then secularism democratic principles constitutionalism have to be keyed to that and part of what is happening right now is all to be at that in the constitution and the way in which it has just been treated in this manner this is the left this move this way is not only. Because she needs an attempt to do that but its also a strong signal to those who speak for secular democracy in india that they will be just liberal and national or that they do their right to dissent will be treated as big news or something because there is a. Chamber within which there is no need for proof or evidence you can simply say well were doing this will be ok were doing this were going to let men lets hear it from the people who are sought to be developed that we wont let you let you have just having to live under this kind of militarized state endlessly and on top of that this medium and its just our use this as these ones where you know and and even when as recently there was a precious and it together letter thats all talk all that sort of thing is now going on in indian media especially televisual media so i only i think id like to take your point so were running out of time here but as promised we said we would also talk about pakistan we have about a minute left but i want to share this headline pakistani Prime Minister and right hand visit kashmir amid india tensions barbara do you think that pakistan should have a say in whats going to happen or will they will they be able to. Box them down. Has to be a plebiscite and broker group them side in the region and if theres a tinkering with the 70 and if india is managed to do to take the territory as a unit dont make it may make that this winter unitary it i dont really even have the referendum happens later when going box comes forward walks on pollution but at right now i dont think they have a mite many options they are limited options and i mean obviously unfortunately that is where i have to pass conversation so much more to say if thats all the time we have for this portion of the show we can keep the conversation going though on twitter at a. J. Stream of course also on aljazeera dot com forward slash the stream i know theres much more to add thank you for joining us of i. Train and equip the opposition in syria so they can help push back these terrorist people in power investigates how the us supplies soviet style weapons to its allies through private companies and the Us Government could wash their hands and say well we didnt know where it was coming from so weapon that was supplied by the Us Government may well end up being pointed at us soldiers yes absolutely we pick it up less than 2 months after the fact to americas secret pipeline to syria on al jazeera. If you want to the world might look like very soon got hungry and angry is in the extreme example of the predicament the whole world is going through. Seems Mass Immigration story we had gone to clashes between the cultures and the problems that the culture of that is. Harsh grading the us. Is not comparable. We european culture this is not like budapest. Triumphal march. Dreams of conquest and look for global try. This is very very uneventful. Towards the precipice without resistance we are tossed today just lucky. It was then just 10 years ago. Now this is it. In an exclusive series of documentaries i was born into a very ordinary japanese family hero shows 5 different stories i am just so excited to focus on anything else right now from 5 Different Countries it was really rude. But i was supposed to leave those with one journey no one in my family has ever been to mecca this is the joyful location the road to has an aljazeera. Video emerges of China Holding military drills just across the border from hong kong as protests continue in the territory. We shall carry this is al jazeera live from doha also coming up. One minute. One wants to do. And his Prime Minister says the removal of kashmir is autonomy will benefit the people of the region and this Independence Day address. Fears about the state of the u. S. Economy seen asian markets take a tumble. Plus the teenager leading the way on Climate Change now she set sail on a u. N. Mission. New pictures ever emerge showing chinese Paramilitary ForcesHolding Drills in a sports stadium just across the border from hong kong the minute worse took place as antigovernment demonstrations continue in the territory china has called for the sort of the law to be used to restore order in hong kong. Is live in hong kong for us so these images that were seeing rob do we know yet the significance of. They could potentially richelle be quite important weve been getting reports out of Southern China for the past couple of weeks about increased military activity vehicles being seen on the roads and so on but this is the 1st time weve seen these seen such a concentration of vehicles in the schools some of them potentially could be armored at the stadium which we know is very close to the border here with hong kong that theyve been involved in trills and that we know these are very recent pictures filmed in the last day or so by independent 2 independent western News Agencies albeit filmed surreptitiously does it mean that we are about to see the Peoples Liberation army send columns of troops into hong kong imminently not necessarily does it mean though that china could be preparing if it has to fulfill its pledge of not letting things here spiral out of control then well yes possibly i mean china as we know does place great store on social stability. Social stability almost to an obsessive degree and would have to have in place the kind of assets that it would need in order to do that if the government of hong kong was threatened was about to collapse or if even worse as far as chinas perspective goes the disorder from here was likely to spread to other cities in Mainland China then yes it would make sense for the Chinese Government to be able to have the assets to put in to put into practice its pledge to save hong kong resell so rob there and hong kong as are any sense than fear this is what what what the feeling are you getting. I mean certainly a growing anxiety there has been for 4 weeks now we know that i mean the threat the warnings from government officials here are very sincere they do see that hong kong is potentially looking into the abyss this situation is very grave i mean to give an example of that clip thats doing the rounds on social media here it is of Peoples Liberation army trucks on the streets of cow lou and now just the fact that its been shared so widely i think gives a sense of the nervousness here in reality we know that the Peoples Liberation army is here in hong kong they have been for 22 years but they good grip generally stay in the military barracks in their bases but yes trucks will move soldiers from one barracks to another thats maybe what this these pictures that have shown that have been widely circulated and the fact remains that the people through the Central Government of china and also the Hong Kong Government knows that it would be a very serious step to put these Peoples Liberation army troops actually on the streets dealing with protesters it would undermine Business Confidence it would be seen very negatively around the world it may even backfire in turn a crisis into a calamity so china has got to know that its its gaze the last resort and it has no other step to take that action and basically all those things are in a fairly chaotic position at the moment the police are generally still in control the airport yes was closed 2 days ago now its opened yes the protests to getting more violent and sadly more people are being maimed but at the end of these protests it is still the police who are in control of the streets yes we are going to have probably more serious demonstrations coming up at the weekend but by monday and tuesday hong kong tends to go back to work and the police if not the government at least the police tend to be in control of the streets richelle ok private the latest in hong kong rob thank you. Donald trump has offered to meet xi jinping to discuss solutions to what is happening in hong kong this is what he tweeted rather i know president xi of china very well he is a great leader who very much has the respect of his people hes also a good man in a tough business i have 0 doubt that if president xi wants to quickly and humanely solve the hong kong problem he can do it personal meeting question mark some breaking news coming out of gibraltar the u. S. Department of justice has applied to seize the Iranian Oil Tanker grace one the British Overseas TerritoriesSupreme Court was expected to announce the release of the vessel shortly decisions now been delayed until later on thursday the ship was seized off the coast of japan alter by British Royal marines last month but the ron accused of violating Oil Sanctions against syria denied the allegations and labeled the seizure an act of piracy interest simmons is in your alter so what does all this mean andrew. Well it was just over half an hour ago i was in court and everyone was expecting the release of this oil tanker then dramatically it has to be said because the attorney general michael amounts was quite ruffled he told the judge that in the early hours of thursday morning and late on wednesday night there had been contact with the department of justice in the u. S. Involving the documents involving requests and a declaration that there will be in these legal terms a supplemental request of detention power to the existing detention and so that really through the judge he said will that thats just so short notice that detention a request will have to be proceeded with processed as such he then indicated you know what do you want to do with the existing detention order this is the order that goes back to july the 3rd when the British Royal marines boarded the vessel and arrested its 28 crew members of the ship ever since so you have a situation now where if though if ever there was any doubt about u. S. Interest in this case well is. Certainly gone now as u. S. Want to take a handle on this and theyre using the Attorney Generals Office to try to do it so the attorney general on the one hand is being instructed by the u. S. Requested by the u. S. To apply for an extension of the order on the other hand he had intended to do just the opposite pretty extraordinary so that then this does go and dance what government intended to do andrea. The general to government intended to of the u. K. Government intended to release the tanker evidently the documents were reported to have been exchanged a guarantee that this these all of the Light Crude Oil on board this tanker would not go to syria in contravention of the e. U. Embargo on such imports and then it would go somewhere else although it was unclear exactly where it was going to go to and we were expecting to hear that at this hearing but of course now we have to wait for at least the other 3 hours until we have the other hearing in which we will wait to see whether or not the attorney general spins the wheel effectively and goes for an extension or rule the existing detention this time directly from the u. S. And not the u. K. Not really gibraltar in essence its a very prickly situation and you could read that in the body language from the attorney general of the judge was pretty bemused by it all but said well look you sure you can do it by 4 oclock local and it seems he thinks he can so we wait to hear from the attorney general on this remarkable situation all right enter simmons life press center potter thank you indias Prime MinisterNarendra Modi says the removal of indian minister kashmir as autonomy is to the benefit of the people and the region and his Independence Day interest he said the move is to ensure the ideal of one nation one constitution which will foster growth. And intimate moment of Freedom Fighters fought hard and long for a free nation but because of article 370 and 35 b. There were issues but today i can see standing here of the red food the right. One nation and one constitution. Bora who is in new delhi for us modi said pretty much which which you would expect but how did he really explain revoking indian administered kashmir or autonomy and not really consulting the people in the region before he did this. With russia the indian Prime Minister has not said anything new in his address as far as the. Media is concerned or what hes done is hes hes said that he could do what no other politician no other government no other Prime Minister could do before him and yet again brandishing his image as a strong man as a strong indian Prime Minister and pandering to his water base now having said that if you look at it in another way some analysts that ive also spoken to say that thats a jibe at the Congress Party however another Prime Minister previous Prime Minister. By was from the same party as Prime Minister more the part of the asian the party there in the right and his policy towards kashmir the analysts say was very different from Prime Minister movies his policy was to win hearts and minds in this case Prime Minister movie has not consulted the local politicians or peace thats what the local politicians the politicians of this mean valley have said theyve been placed under house arrest if the politicians have not been consulted and the people of the state have had no say weve seen shah fazul was also placed in the house arrest yesterday shot fazul before he became a politician was an i. A. S. Officer an officer with the indian administrate of services and spoke of reconciliation between the union and the state of Jammu And Kashmir so many ways he was the ideal kashmiri from the Indian Perspective he has been placed under house arrest and before he was he the things that he said it was clear that at least him. Very disappointed with the Prime Minister or the and the decision of his government so modi has said that part of the just to keep justification for this move for revoking the autonomy is that it would bring about development is there any indication that thats actually true. Well nobody has an answer to that just yet Indian Officials of course say that now there will the floodgates to development have been opened the investors will rush in and the state will finally have the infrastructure for development the use of germany will have jobs that the of course want ive spoken to many casualties over the years of course they want jobs of course they want development but one economist a leading economist in india has said that even in the presence off while