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1st time people were confronted with the fact they can only grow it could also have negative consequences and that the planets natural limits would soon be reached the Success Story of growth was in crisis weve reached levels of prosperity which carry the seeds of disruption and necessitate a complete relook at the whole world social political and other situation. A couple of rome reports sold 30000000 copies and became a global sensation. And soon this calls themselves came under attack their calculations ready tried as irresponsible fear mongering because its impossible to admit the end except. The Success Story of growth must continue. Unfortunately many of us call those predictions turned out to be right and in many cases reality even so possibly predictions. Yes the cover from reports was causing an International Uproar the Brazilian Rainforest and the amazon basin were still nearly untouched the huge brazilian state of much of grosso largely populated by Indigenous People consists of a forest and 7 today but much of that is left since the mid eightys progress aided by International Investors has been eating away at the rain forest 35 football fields of forest disappear every minute its been the same story over and over again lumberjacks move in 1st thank cattle breed us and finally the soybean very. Well and they have lost. This quantity of one point containers is new on the nail your. Aesthetician know what automation all given the pledge government and i bear below School Fairness he leered of seen they get out upon knowing that a god is following a cie into all there is the society as i am the ia wars are the dance of the fuzzy and the keep thing theyve each quater havent seen or stamp their heads they are. 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And the savage piece is region it was just lived by indians its just amazing forest. 3040 years just off colonization and its the most important region nagra business off the country. Its just the right place to make new investments to make money. C you carol a good part exported to russia china and in other countries. Do you see any limits know the limits of the disk i have and the limits. To. In response to the crisis of the seventys Economic Policy underwent a change of course new growth had to be felt no matter what the cost even if that meant only using the prime and forces of finance capitalism. These had been contained after world war 2 because there were hundreds possibility of the Great Depression and the war itself. Monetarism was a new magic word. Among them was the idea that if you put more money into the economy liquidity it was told that additional money in the economy would help really best that would help give us more production that would allow us to consumable goods and we would get growth back again so this little hiatus if you like in the seventys primarily caused by the oil crisis lead to a transformation in the economics of society and in particular how we think about right now we think about stimulating growth i. Governments deregulated Financial Markets Banks Insurance Companies and Investment Funds going to influence and were now allowed to gamble with currencies stocks even with peoples Retirement Funds kept there was that lose and the Financial Sector was flooded with my. Divorce a pact with the devil and the beginning of a slow process of self disempowerment in exchange for growth governments relinquish the power to Financial Markets but who do we mean by Financial Markets and capital and what does it all have to do with us. The group is europes biggest Insurance Company and one of the biggest players in the global Financial Markets. Its been fun for 600000000 Oil Different from 400000000 feet even so see shown at 400000000 for the software c. E. O. In the game so say showing leading via foresaw good ones oquinn one fist to she went on my country to so for stay in. The us via some. Of figure one inch on base your pick your own and back to a little fin see a party for mukesh cotton and the same box to pop its a peon so buy spirit box and investments invest its own in you will be here in an infomercial to investments in autobahn and when the tulio to take. The sum was more than positive closed in china therefore also a show although some kind of one of the growth. In the developed markets in europe and us. They also know new lions to be seen which we could never knock to a finance if a few of whats in it. Does if your puts and its high fashion mission via in so going to invest the high sheen visteon i sucked in him obedient its at the law. As a given into token fini got no ponding given me a in didnt try and then he can and then who will this fax to mean decent and none mukesh to the left eye doc and. I defend it and thats after his sister to mistys committee is to stop it thought it looks foot and overlooks that the toilet i thought was an invoice and 9 as ish much to me id have a 21st. Take the 76 a gothic anointed yacht i will miss he thought he could hang. Up the sax to record all cars for cost by this thank god to 6 months i thought to. Look for cost beyond. The number of millions of insured individuals its sent on its way to multiply when andre has group as a team has a rough idea to which countries and sectors the billions that flow they hire an asset manager he determines what stocks or bonds to invest in. And most of our clients are institutions what they want is they want their their money invested in the Capital Markets. Our customers expect their capital to be returned they want their money back and they want a return on that game and the world there is another agenda. Well why im commander just 1. 2 trillion euros obvious its and in germany were managing 490000000000 euros of a sense of. The Financial Markets they have a social role in distributing peoples savings towards investment and that investment is usually a form of there so when you get you take out a loan for example to buy a house that line could end up in a bone and we could end up buying that phone so growth is important so that individuals and companies who borrow money in the Capital Markets can actually pay those lines back. With a less free trade when he said 20 just when you imagine a world with 0 growth thats a world in in which pretty much everything gets frozen. If you havent got a job in this new world with no growth bad luck. Youre going to have to wait for somebody to retire before maybe you get their job. And Society Without growth probably wont work at all. Not for long. It would be cherry and to collapse. Without growth societies would descend into chaos according to the financial and political elite. But is that really the case isnt it rather the blind faith in growth that leads us to chaos. In the eightys the world of finance operating from the city of london and wall street increased its influence and governments and societies and became the driving force of capitalism today Financial Markets not governance determine the wellbeing of anti countries. How did it come to this how could Financial Markets gain such influence over our lives. One person who knows the financial world better than almost anyone this year at college for nearly 30 years he was a Successful Fund manager on wall street and in the city of long. Known of plants beautiful niger i was a scientist and ive been offered 20000 pounds to go and stone wall street in 1008. And that was one of the worst i was the beginning of. And we went into the new era of reagan and liberal trade the socalled big bang in the city was all about financial deregulation lets go let the market decide and lets hire people and lets see what happens yes i suppose this really kind of controlled atmosphere which weve had before and it was that that we walked into where money now talks now money wins and you need people small people to trade the markets and make finance the powerhouse behind capitalism which is supposed to be. The plan seemed to work the stock markets build roads no longer needed to be financed by increasing wages and tax revenue now it was all about credits governments and individuals were to take of loans from banks and investors. So that they could be good consumers and thus generate books to. Credit cards. Overdrafts or to use lending for houses becomes widely available and its at that point that explodes that now its not just the very wealthy have access to all these things consumerism is now people lower down the income scales as well and if you look at money supply in that and supply credits in the early eightys it just explodes. Has been access to consumerism and promotion of current consumerism close debt which is created the growth we created and where we are today. The cold logic of the markets took over producing winners and losers. One of the people who knew best how to profit from this new logic was donald trump. I really think i have an instinct but i dont think its the instinct shark i think its the instinct of of maybe getting what i want or knowing how to get what i want. Only if you recognize the profit of that unitys in this new era as well as. He made large scale purchases of derelict new york apartment blocks and promised to transform them into Luxury Hotels and apartments to see financing from banks high on the market boom and through the largest tax break in new york city history trump himself had practically nothing more happen is an incredible place where you build a huge building in a sold out in a matter of days i mean you know you build a building with literally 3 or 400 units im building a building is one of the hottest buildings anyones of the scene is just selling like hotcakes when happiness else is becoming a place of the rich period. The genie was out of the bottle the brave new world of finance or capitalism could no longer be constrained and great efforts were made to set it as a controllable and secure system. The whole industry is based around a kind of illusion and the illusion of certainty there is a vested interest if you like inside of the system is to project knowledge and extra knowledge but they really dont have any more knowledge than. From mother to daughter an ancient craft kept alive by a bustling matriarch. From start to finish. All traditions intertwined with new designs making this familys place unique into an easy as rich tapestry. Thread on a jersey though. In a world where a journalism as an industry is changing. Fortunate to be able to continue to expand to continue to have that pass and that drive and present the story in a way that is important to our viewers. Everyone has a story worth hearing. To cover those that are often ignored we dont weigh our coverage towards one particular region or continent thats why i joined aljazeera. Aljazeera explores prominent figures of the 20th century and why buildings influence the course of history the souls that did not get enough credit for it in the bucket you want to be the big historical figure but he was mandela the biggest icon in the world the prisoner and the president who came together to end up apartheid in south Africa Nelson mandela and f. W. De klerk face to face on. Hello again im dennis in doha and these are the top stories about jazeera its leaving Hong Kong International airport have been canceled thats after thousands of antigovernment protesters flooded into the arrivals of more than 100 flights have been affected but the Authorities Say flights which have already checked in and flights currently on route to the city are unaffected members of the public are being told to stay away but mcbride has more from the airport. People here are carrying various banners and posters calling Police Brutality calling the Police Murderers and so on it is true that police did seem to adopt far tougher tactics in clearing away sundays demonstrations possibly it was a way of trying to maybe scare people into not coming out not taking part in illegal activities if that was the case then maybe they have to think again irans foreign minister has given an exclusive interview to al jazeera and accuse the u. S. Of destabilizing the region jeffords or is it more warships in the gulf would only lead to more insecurity the gov the comment comes after the u. S. Announced its working to form a military coalition to protect commercial shipping after attacks on oil tankers hundreds of people in indian administered kashmir have rallied peacefully elf to aid prayers the demonstration took place under the strictest regulations since the region was tripped over autonomy exactly a week ago the internet and phone lines remain cutoff. Backed forces in the yemeni city of aden have ransacked the homes of several government officials but southern separatists in yemen say theyre committed to a ceasefire at least 40 people have been killed in the past 4 days of fighting as u. A. E. Backed forces overran government bases and the president ial palace south africas president Cyril Ramaphosa has successfully blocked an inquiry against him by the countrys Anti Corruption watchdog the ruling by the high court in pretoria stops all actions previously ordered by the watchdog and allows for a review of the inquiries report president had been accused of deliberately Misleading Parliament over a 50000. 00 donation to his Leadership Campaign which he denies today lets go back now to growing pains. They view growth as something positive. Its great watching our kids grow up or seeing a tree grow. It we always aware that all growth must come to an end. Theres a limit nature knows no such thing as infinite growth this ruth seems to apply to every kind of growth but one Economic Growth is somehow supposed to continue indefinitely. As one person recognized the 150 years ago growth is the fundamental principle of our Economic System capitalism only works when the economy grows but call mox recognize Something Else as well it is this growth that will eventually destroy the system itself. And today. Every reach that point is the system about to collapse. At infinite growth actually be possible. The Bloomberg Company from new york place a central role in the Financial System since the 980. 00 s. Rumor has provided Stock Traders and bankers with lightning fast Price Fluctuations and finance data from around the globe making it one of the worlds most influential media companies. Around the clock Bloomberg News agency in stock market channel broadcast the glad tidings of the free market. Our role in Financial Markets is as a provider of transparency i would provide a huge amount of data you should not have numbers on markets on economies all companies provide a net chronicle of capitalism telling the story of money vitally important to bloomberg and central to what were about dolls. I dont raise dangerous as one of us deported numbers we look for if i say. Or on their own the state for the economy steady solid growth in Financial Markets do usually reflected in solid growth. In economics in demand in jobs markets reason is that people feel wealthier if you look at the textbooks there should be no limits to growth but if you look at the newspapers at the moment you get the feeling there is a. Great growth in the central question now is whether were in a cyclical slump or theres something structural is going on. Just. By release of systems based upon people remaining to have confidence in the information theyre giving out and the promotion. Of the ideology and the narrative which finance is based around which is increasingly become this kind of game show croce things. For a period time everybody wins. And then as you know a number of economists marx keynes are pointed out is eventually all these means go on and the question. To those heavy lobbying by the Financial Sector on the government to ensure actually that this Financial Sector growth could continue and governments believe that it was in the interest of the economy because everyone told the monitors and told them that if you had all this liquidity in the system then you must be growing your real economy but actually what was happening within that system rather was that you freed up all this money which was then used to bet on the increases in the value of Certain Companies and certain shares and of money itself in the system and the people who were doing that betting were not only profiting from it but they were also the only people who were regulating the system so it created a huge unstable and incredibly. Equal system in which the rich got very much richer really very fast. For decades society has been transformed into an enormous market to which theres allegedly no alternative. The huge sums and very few in the Financial Markets scream for hire jones and have penetrated every corner of the globe. New ways are constantly thought to expand profits already in the tree is. The road seems to be getting to small for the capital. When i was a kid i couldnt afford to fly in an airplane i actually joined the air transport industry before i ever flew in here. Today people take flying for granted it shaped the way we buy goods be shaped places people go to shape the meetings between people and different cultures. Over the next 20 years we expect the world to meet 32000 new civil aircraft. At the moment around 1000000000 of the people who live on our planet fly by air regularly. The remaining 6000000000 dont yet fly by air and its these people who will be tomorrows passengers and tomorrows customers in addition for those of us in developed countries who take flying for granted. Have delivered over the last 6 years more than 100. 00 brand new airplanes towards airlines in china. On airplanes every string days the changes. That take so. I thought theres a retailer or something to turn the bible belt. Up since i do well. I thought i was up thats about to get a lot of value and were currently it will have a slightly montreux 100 alcohols. In china they tend to and every year in the range of 10 or 15 in you have falls want to be viewed imagine if everybody cannot fault the travel expenses even the peasant was low cost the business walter a worker is willing to travel by air the marketing is fantastic you cant imagine and i i already seems that this is a sign of that thats why when i look at it every time im asking about the perspective of the market i cannot imagine as a dime ation of this market where ny hands a reference of 1400000000 which is even more important than the whole of europe and more atrophy means more pollution what do you do about that. We made every single effort to try to reduce his emissions but if we look at as a social benefits and as economic benefits as education industry or bring to the humanity and then people may think differently we. Are trying to make as well as smaller and smaller. To make it a real village. For decades growth was kept on life support with debt only if you had the courage to say that the party couldnt go on forever but no one listened to them. In september 2008 the time had come the house of cards collapsed its a black monday for the American Capital market despite dramatic rescue efforts over the weekend all efforts to keep the worlds 4th Largest Investment Bank alive have failed lehmann brothers is shutting its doors for good its also i think a necessary part of the cleanup process i mean we knew it was weak we expected to go its not going in the way that people expected it to but its gong. To. The long run im confident that our Capital Markets are flexible and resilient and can deal with these adjustments for a long time so that. There was a deep shock in the system that was a sense of my goodness we cant let this happen again governments have to have a better handle on this system and for a while there were attempts to do that it lost it probably a matter of a few months in fact by the end of 2009 and into 2010. The very same companies a been responsible for some of that disaster was still engaging in those same kinds of risky trading procedures that for a while had been stopped in the wake of the crisis and we learned a lesson but then we forgot it again. The financial crisis was a huge opportunity for governments to free the world from its dependency on Financial Markets and to change the system. But they wasted it instead they did all they could to revise the old system spending trillions of dollars to save the banks. Then something incredible happens the banking crisis miraculously became a sovereign debt crisis dr addends became public that governments and the citizens press objected to a sturdy policy is on their wish millions of people suffer to this day. Thanks and stock markets however to demonstrate a sense of normalcy as soon as possible in reality nothing is as it seems kept and as a survive the crisis that no longer functions like it once did. Even though its not as busy as it used to be this is still the center of capitalism you can look at all the tourists who are outside the building taking pictures they all still believe this is the center of capitalism its a symbol of something that means something to that. 10 percent im sort of like the weatherman for the stock market i come in every day and try to figure out whats going on in the stock market i talk to trading desks i talk to analysts i talk to people who know a lot about the stock market and i go on the air and on the internet and explain whats going on. Remember the s. And p. 500 is down one and a half percent this month you have very clear market leaders and the reason weve had it is because of better prospects for earnings in the 4th quarter remember what the market leaders have been energy tech events lagging today energy tax and banks thats interesting theyre mixed. But its you know if i may just change crowd are. Human beings want stories they dont want an endless list of numbers nobody is impressed with a list of numbers they want to know. Whats going on tell us in plain english what the markets were doing and thats the real skill set and often thats not easy because things are very complicated. People have always claimed that capitalism can be evil and capitalism doesnt help people i completely disagree what i see in the last 150 years is millions of people have been lifted out of poverty i personally am a true believer and still believe that the system works well and im committed to that system. At this underfund and the new york about the van that fell from the 1000 mention of the market. Committee of dimensions in time to get attention because you can just fall into a dozen shots which tells me its in the wind as the hellish defense hot in the housing this is one of the New York Stock Exchange this is a list the average i was in was 1st published it. Is in this its the machine just about wins. In jackson cause the decide when to name in me a given of every just a top not been given and is going to name. Him off the acting course just come on the awful scene and be among the hostages have been known to the i love village often belzer if you have been in with our side long outside but it was a constant of our kind of talks to me getting tied to given a sinking truck since trying to balance because of dr mark police towels on top of the funding bill just one day early kid up. I think will be seen over the last few years is cracks in the in the shiny surface of capitalism. And the 1st thats what they look like in a. Just look at Say Something not quite right the way the light reflects off it and thus you look more and more closely. You see this you see that these cracks gay rights of the heart of the model they go right to the heart of the basic ideas of capitalism. Capitalism is to work. The system deliver what it promises. Providing growth jobs and prosperity for all. Jambo inside your new Smart Factory in the see this is just. Fine lets put it. In the basement on the cabinets young con and he said well up to. The traditions as long as its you just. Get a couple to keep your hobby like a little slow. Motion done on a lot of. Unix boxes been diminished. But thats in the city on the bend us on the on the bad self you can find dont understand and this is all fine not to visit spots that was on the tube is thats been the truth is its come mostly for she said. Ever since the Industrial Revolution machines have been replacing you label that by causing great societal upheaval its. That until recently they have only replaced the physical labor of humans. Now machines are capable of doing what makes us human suni they able to think its a completely new chapter in Human History which will have massive consequences on how we live and work. Cant. Technology thanks watson can. I be im watching is a technology unlike any thats come before because rather than force humans to think like a computer watson interactive humans on human terms. Sepsis 20 students is among the dead because of cognitive often stunt testes a stammer and off to compliment. And dom its going to stop kids and then get an insight and system in how to bite something lengths unemployments in full view not find the discus something contex into plenty of them heaven into system begin to learn when time goes entirely deceive us also do not have hospital was just him all talk and on to it. If youre interested in checking if youre a spectator stand evolutions make special notion take great great gesture only as well as picture the rights of a Mystery Mission get yes you can be able to do it the right people dont just look at me michael in self will interact with we can have a short. Visit me stop by and zoom in on a farm set up so shuffle im getting tired here i can finish my work. Then never off damiens hi nicky i t v ted sometimes thats bullying. And just how true in extremis a friend extreme is prevailing. In the future agribusiness and robots will be able to carry out nearly every would seem to previously performed by. Means of jobs who. These new technologies can survive economically both but that much in the world. And that could endanger capitalism itself. Who would be able to purchase all the nice things mass produced every day and there are not enough people who can pay for them with their wages. In Financial Markets algorithms have long since been running the show computers interact with other computers and fractions of seconds without any human input. In this room thats what we do here we have an on off switch right was theres really no human in our bench and i really dont believe in leaving the room. And letting you know something trade unintended its about being there with the creation you know youve worked on. You know even if i dont i dont know you dont control it but you watch it is it doing everything they designed it to do there are many mathematical models that come out of fields such as horse betting that are used and our business is kind of fundamental pieces of Algorithmic Trading we somehow project and then our couple this society this idea. That that this is a safe environment for people to build up their rear tire meant time is actually a hyper competitive environment and. Depending on the product theres theres you know sometimes i feel safer going into a casino than trading certain products in our space i mean. It is a very different world than the way its advertised to the general public. Financial markets out of control and no longer have any connections to reality. While algorithms and robots produce growth they only provide work and prosperity for a few and its this growth thats destroying our future on the planet. The signs that something is going wrong with the a system thats become impossible to overlook so why do we consistently ignore them. This is for t. V. The network was always stuck together for your. Time trusting a lot better now than i was before i did you know because if they even hire you style you know to me. You guys look like so you obviously dont know what im talking about but you know this is a really nice quote i call if i want to know the most powerful name in Financial Television wall street week his back yes the news guy bridge actually purchased the rights to wall street leaks i view myself as a capital artist again this company that ive created is my canvas. I know you guys in the media dont like capitalism but you know someones had to pay for the camera and the microphone so i mean at the end of the day the capital system is the only system that weve been able to design that works. Lets talk about growth ok there is a perception right now in these elitist academic salons ok now were not going to grow anymore well thats just flat out wrong if you study 5500 years of Human History we know that human beings are designed to have great intellectual curiosity and to innovate there are so many things that were going to do over the next 50 years thats going to shock everybody in terms or keep ability were going to pull asteroids down from the Asteroid Belt or a load of platinum that would be where the 1st trillionaire comes from were going to unlock the ability to stop aging were destroyed cancerous cells in our bodies all of this innovation is ahead of us and theres a tremendous opportunity for growth. Theres a sense of desperation to this strategy that we dont want to base a realistic in the world we would much rather have. You know a total fantasy for our guiding star we would like to have this vision that no we dont have to think about detailing christ we have to think about making grows Even Stronger we have to go for it we have to make America Great again we have we can all be billionaires we can all we have property empires and of course its a little asia but if it goes back to exactly that same simple basic fact we live on a finite planet that there isnt the space for the dream of this reinvigorated the rest fetich this is. Just. We live in extraordinary times our world is becoming increasingly complex. And many are disappointed to find that they are worse off than they used to be. And instead of doubting the Economic System they turn to those who have profited from it the most those who continually promise new growth. For these empty promises more and more people are apparently willing to sacrifice democracy peace and then vironment. Capitalism has reached a new level of escalation but its no longer suited to the world we live in. Its and its closer than we think. Hello there we have got usual scattering from the storms across northern sections of south america and the units little sulfides a line of cloud working its way here through the north east of argentina working its way through year ago i said that is where the bulk of the rain will be. 26 celsius but notice this 16 in what is areas that is on monday but by choose day it is fading pulse of the cold with 10 degrees celsius the best that youll see thats actually 8 degrees below the average for this time of year for the south the crawls is the big time which is typically in the late thirtys and we have usually way of scottish is not generally through much of the Dominican Republic haiti across tools kiba and then youll see what more rain. Across areas like panama on tools but cheese day its not about day across the yucatan peninsula. Conditions 26 they got smaller 24 celsius under sunny skies into mexico city the story really the 90 states is the heat weve got more heat advisories and really heat warnings in place as well so to give you an idea some of these temperatures like kansas city 35. 00 probably feeling more like 43. 00 degrees celsius this rate in the fall called his having his way across towards the east so wet day on choose a particular new york with a high the a 27. Who has a sponsor countdown and. Told. Us what is going to use it will you give to the people who will be attending the manana workshop we listen im super ghosts. Explain apologize for someone who is also terrorizing we meet with global newsmakers and talk about the stories that matter just 0. 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Rich precious mentality condemnation from pakistans foreign minister after indias decision last week to revoke the autonomy of indian administered kashmir. Plus find out how rwanda is saving its get real a population from the brink of extinction im joined with the sports including a mid season drive a demotion in formula one and rafael adele defends a hard court title for the 1st time in his career as the strong survive tree at the raw just. That will fly thinking Hong Kong International airport have now been canceled thats after thousands of antigovernment protesters flooded into the arrivals more than 100 flights have been affected but the Authorities Say flights which have already checked in and flights currently on their way to the city and not affected the move comes as demonstrators occupy the airport for a 4th day they want to raise International Awareness of their coals to our correspondent robin wright is there at the airport bring us up to date with what the situation is. Thats right martin well as we continue through monday evening here yes the airport is effectively brought to a standstill one of the most important airports in the region and its pretty much stopped we have as you mentioned there all of the remaining Outgoing Flights of today are canceled there are still incoming flights in fact we are at the departure level but just below us here is the arrivals hall and the arrival level we still have passengers many it says i have to be quite but mused arriving into these chaotic scenes and it has to be said that there are still probably thousands of protesters here as you mentioned they want to get their message across to the people who are arriving about what this debate is all about it but these numbers have thinned considerably earlier on in the after monday afternoon when the word went out to target the airport we were among thousands of people who were descending on this terminal we had to walk the last kilometer or so on foot because the arrivals hall and also the departure hall was completely swamped thousands of people it was simply impossible according to the airport to still be checking passengers in use. Simply couldnt get to the check in counters so this campaign Rolling Campaign seems to was begun over the weekend where they tell the they told tourists and visitors about whats going on here it has to be said things are a lot messier still well behaved but very very messy are on a lot of the walls here and a lot of the pillars there are all sorts of posters that have been put up by the protesters complaining about what the protesters see say has been Police Brutality and clearing away these illegal demonstrations that took place here sunday there was a much tougher response from police there were more baton charges that were filmed that were distributed online that havent raged people here people are particularly angry at the shooting of one party one young woman who was shot in the eye with one of these socalled bean bags so that brought out thousands of people here to the airport over there is the passenger. Giving the flight information arrivals and departures there is an awful lot of red on the departure board on and off a lot of them used passengers wondering when theyre going to get away from here there are still a lot of protesters at the 2 check in desks theyre sitting behind the check in desks some passengers just over here have taken the chairs from behind the check in desks to sit down and wait to be told just what theyre meant to do marty all right rob thank you for that rob mcbride live from Hong Kong International airport thank you very much indeed well now we can speak to an italian who said china political analyst hes joining us via skype from beijing thanks for talking to us and the world is waiting the world is watching waiting really for beijing to snap how provocative is this an action as far as beijing is concerned. Well its very provocative i mean this this is more than just civil disobedience theyre really impacting the economy of own kong remember this one of the biggest destinations in the world that house just a huge of persons if you think 7000000 people who are residents there and you have over 30000000 people who are visiting on a yearly basis this could have a very big impact on the own economy remember own home does not pay taxes to the mainland they only all tax money stay with in ohio and its a situation where it shoots its past seems to be fast to tear it ignite not a situation yesterday when they were just standing by right now the language coming from beijing is. Ratcheting up his net theyve talked about this being a form of terrorism and theyve called this a Color Revolution what are the options before baking in terms of their response to what is going on in hong kong. Well theres a theres article 18 under the basic laws which allows the Hong Kong Government if they feel the need help in restoring a Civil Society they can ask for the p. M. A. To comment but theres another option is well if china china and the mainland sees this as a foreign interference then they would be allowed to come in because that would be defense of the nation and if there is any evidence that there are outside forces there are strong suspicions given to the meetings by prodemocracy independents who are seeking regime change with United States officials also with officials from the embassy in hong kong this is fueling this feeling that the this is part of the all pressure tactics that donald trump likes to use when you say go shooting just like with taiwan and the battleships going through there in trade or right but the authorities in beijing will be well aware that perhaps it would be the worst possible. Situation addressed in terms of the optics of it if there were to be Chinese Military presence on the streets of hong kong contravening what its supposed to be this this that one country 2 systems arrangement with it which is still in place a pace to still be in place until 2049 it would really backfire for china. Well yes and this is unfortunately what has happened this is turned into a p. R. War obviously there are people or entities who are intent on provoking beijing into reacting this way beijing is shown a lot of restraint but there comes a point if you know at some point people start dying on either side police on the protest side and order cannot be restored and the city cannot function then you have a breakdown in Civil Society now that would not be in contravention of the basic laws if the Hong Kong Government requests it or if it gets to a point where its obvious that things cannot be restored by the local authorities and theres that theres another option as well isnt that wondering at wondering how sort of viable it is and that is for the kerry lamb administration to actually sit down and talk to the press hethen try to get a handle on what their grievances i mean what about that as an option sounds wonderful who would you talk to there are no quote leaders out there people who sit on the periphery and say theyre not leaders theyre founders of democratic parties theyre students and things like that but this movement is a mob it doesnt have any figures so who do you sit down with and remember that this has been an escalating situation at 1st it was all about the extradition treaty which was overblown as for a Little Theatre now has changed the regime change there are people insisting on universal suffrage and that the basic laws be changed in order to make home calling in essence an independent democratic separate country and attacking and good to thank you very much. Thank you ferrier on the foreign minister has accused the us of leading a military buildup in the gulf that can strengthen the entire region in an efficient interview without jazeera javits a reset more International Vessels in the area would only lead to more insecurity this is a tiny body of water and the more Foreign Naval vessels you have in this body of water the less secure it is for everybody. Based on experience presence of the United States important naval fleet in the persian gulf has never produced security if talking about threats coming from countries in the region the threat is coming from the United States and its western allies who are pouring their pins into this region making it a tinderbox ready to blow up. A whole bar our correspondent who interviewed the foreign minister has more. Definitely of the view that this is something that would further destabilize the region and he joins the statements made by president rouhani and Supreme Leader before the. Families of the presence of the naval buildup is something that could destabilize. The region the Iranian Defense minister when he was asked about israel saying that it would step in a coalition saying that this could have disastrous consequences on the region these were the words of the iranian interior minister so for many a european perspective this is not something that there would. Bring about. Security in the region he lashed out of the same time 2 key u. S. Allies in the region saudi arabia and the United Arab Emirates saying that he should not buy security this was his words from outside this should come talk and engage with iran for the sake of Regional Security the situation continues to further deteriorate i asked him about whether iran words one day consider pulling out from the deal if nothing happens and the if President Trump decides on maintaining the sanctions he said that hes very concerned about the potential for any blow last but military confrontation but for the time being iran will definitely stick to the deal because they consider it to be the best option available or on the table. And you can see hash in full interview with the Iranian Foreign minister on top there on tuesday and there is there are 30 greenwich mean time dont miss it lots more to come on this hour to their news hour including. Dozens of people who were injured in scuffles between Israeli Security forces and palestinians at the air