Youve been sort of the fact that the line is between what what was considered to be full a french social media platform and the mainstream one but what h the problem is that they are protected by contend delivery and Security Networks and these different operating within the whole spectrum saying basically that we dont have a sense of clarity about how to move forward and ultimately we cannot afford to be in the in an uncharted territory its up to the government and to the other International Organizations to tell us what should be done before we can step into this new to made thats right and its similar to the conversations that happened around moderating isis about 5 or 6 years ago that i think a lot of these private companies are waiting for government bodies to step in and say ok this is what legally constitutes White Nationalism and this is our federal policy on it the issue that were seeing and were probably going to see this start pretty soon is that you can knock down each and all you want you can remove services from it. The poison that infected it isnt god its not going anywhere i think it is safe to say that the internet is a more radical and more polarized space than it was 10 years ago in fact this weekend there was a 2nd shooter who was heavily involved in the grindcore Punk Community he was a you know person who would share lets say far left or any fascist material on the internet thats not what radicalized him you know thats not what happened to him its that you have a generation of its incredibly angry men who are using the internet to socialize with each other in completely unmoderated spaces and as long as unmoderated spaces exist the male violence that were seeing not just america but in every country on earth is going to continue and i think that every time we have this conversation about can we knock down a website with some sort of technical fix well we need to talk about what the technical fixes for a generation of men who are carrying out this sort of violence on a scale that like we dont seem to want to deal with and i think that seems to get blurred in the conversation every time we talk about this sort of thing because i think talking about moderating security infrastructure for a chain is an easier thing to talk about and it requires less soul searching missa heres an if you look into past experiences the e. U. Along with the main Tech Networks companies particularly Facebook Twitter and you to have signed a code of conduct in 2016 the german up a soon to very aggressive policy if you dont flag up content within 24 hours you might be a plan that could amount to Something Like 50000000. 00 euros and the french are saying sorry sometimes we need companies to hunt the Digital Identity of some of those people who are spreading that online otherwise you might face problems why arent the americans doing the same thing. Well the American Government at least its hands are somewhat tied as well these these Companies Like 8 chan are protected under whats called section 230. 00 of the Communications Decency act which essentially states that so long as they dont edit and dont cure rate their content as long as they only provide a neutral platform then theyre not legally liable for any of the content that flows through it except as as was said before for child pornography and previously copyrighted material i think that what is happening in the e. U. Is an excellent example that the United States should be seriously looking at and following and that Tech Companies in the United States should be voluntarily adopting some some of what happens on the internet follows whats called the california emissions effect where cars the metaphor is that cars built in california have lower emissions so therefore cars all over the u. S. Have lower emissions the standards and practices that Silicon Valley undertakes have a way of die fusing outward and becoming larger standards that Companies Use international ok so i think theres an appeal to the conscience of these these corporations that has to be made to the extent that they can be reached but the same time this is my question to cut a line you have critics saying that the caveat to this new codes of conduct the have been established with that over the last few years is basically they give the Companies Need more say over deciding what is legal and not legal this could further undermine the freedom of expression is there any middle ground over here. Just a note im not a legal scholar but i always hesitate any kind of argument that is sort of if we do x. It begets y. Because lets work with specific case cases here and in the case in this very example were not talking at all Tech Companies were talking about a channel were talking about a site that has had issues with child pornography were talking about a site that has no almost no come to moderation tools i have and has almost no moderation rules this is a very different website than per se Facebook Facebook does have robust policies on things like hate speech and Online Harassment but again its seeing it acted out large the bigger point here and problem i think to highlight and i think ryan is the one highlighting this is why how is this how does this keep replicating and happening in spaces like a chant in 4 chan what are what are the ways around it what are what are the rules around it and i think its important to look at not just how are we defining hate speech though that is an extremely important part of this conversation and its important to think about when we define that hate speech what is to be done about it what is the systems meaning that its a one thing i want to highlight for example when reddit had the sub read it right which they removed in february 2017 that the on the sidebar describing the rules of that sub write it because each sub read it like fortune and h. And the creator can be the moderator they specifically called themselves promoters of white identity and White Nationalism no one falls into White Nationalism accidentally its not a thing you ironically are its a political ideology of the far right it is serious it is about the supremacy of of the white race might identity you know theres nothing ironic or the entire about that and i use those words specifically when we start to look at the subcultures on fortune and each and that deal with irony and satire is also important to highlight we start to look at things i through an american context american relationship to things like freedom of speach. Miss abroad rick there is a new trend in the us in particular has is pressing in different parts of the world basically about which is White Nationalist 6 trim ism using different ideologies different narratives and raising of the issue that under threat by different ethnicities and other people of color and this seems to be a divisive issue in the United States of america dont you think that because a visit of its nature people dont seem to be all over board about the need to say clearly that the biggest problem that the u. S. Is facing. Is White Nationalist extremism yes i do agree with that i think. Right now in america it is incredibly complicated. To have that conversation to to figure out where the line between what we think of as traditional conservative values separates into the far right and then lets say the far right separates into White Nationalism which i would consider more extremist. But this conversation is happening not just america its happening in every country on earth and i want to make a really important point about this it happened across europe over the last 34 years you saw this in france in sweden in germany in the u. K. But its also happening in asia and Southeast Asia its happening with internationalism of the Modi Administration in india the things that were seeing with each and right now it happened in south korea with a message board based or house or in japan japanese nationalism and the message board that inspired 4 chan which is to chan or need chan these issues are in demick in almost every Online Society on earth right now and i think that having these conversations and focusing on one particular country is what we kind of trip over every time because what we could be doing is what were kind of doing right now which is talking about how Different Countries are facing this problem and maybe if america was a little more open to acknowledging that there is a problem and that this problem is one that everyone is sharing we can Start Talking about how we can address it on a systemic level that can actually start to fix things right mr heres the reason why when were talking about the need for the u. S. To step in if you remember back into the 911. 00 the americas were the forefront telling the well that you know want with al qaida and with isis later we need to take action particularly would draining the resources of these groups online financially to be able to defeat them and we see what happened later know it comes to white. Nationalist extremism New York Times is still drawing power as between the 2 between isis and why its not solicit stream isnt on the same why in a way or another why of the american doing exactly what they did with isis and al qaida and therefore they must find an answer to the questions the face. Yes. Islamist extremism and White Nationalism are actually very similar in a lot of ways particularly in respect to angry young men radicalizing each other there are 2 reasons why the United States hasnt been able to go after White Nationalist terrorists the way it was able to go after al qaida and isis 1st of all. Its there are no legal designations for domestic terrorism there are certain designations that allow Law Enforcement to investigate what could be domestic terror groups but because of the political implications the government doesnt recognize domestic terror groups in the same way that it recognizes foreign terror groups. At the same time one of the reasons why the United States government cant go after far right extremists is because the beliefs and the rhetoric that these extremists are espousing is very similar to the beliefs and rhetoric that are on display every day by this president ial administration and many on the right in congress one of the issues with moderating. White nationalist content online is that many of the algorithms that were applied to say isis or al qaeda cant be applied to White National i see your point because they would sweep up too many mainstream republicans in the process of the for this i would like to us to the same question to caroline about whether its fair to say that while theres the school about the need to clamp down on the those individuals on the fringe others saying basically we should be targeting the role models the politicians leaders who came to espousing the same ideology well shes now becoming some somehow in a way out another a mainstream not even different parts of the world the world the u. S. In particular but also now getting to and in europe. I think the right and that that has been definite definitely an argument i would say the bigger thing when i think about mainstream social networks drawing a line right between mainstream social networks and 8 chan is that there isnt a lot of transparency around when content is taken down why how when it violated a policy and thats the same thing if you look at Richard Spencer david dukes twitter accounts right david duke being a grand wizard of the ku klux klan why are their twitter accounts online still that is a very good and profound question of which there is not a clear answer from twitter and their policy team thats something i would love to know the answer to why did those accounts stay up another accounts are taken down. I think its important to also highlight as well. Again why is it mean to self identify as a White Nationalist and to Say Something on a more mainstream platform for example i do believe buzz feed reported this that they facebook was going to take down White Nationals or White Supremacy groups facebook groups but some of those groups still stand i believe that was from an article from a couple of things to go to a year ago but these are deeper questions to actually and i do think perhaps we should come back and focus maybe on Something Like a channel full time were running out of a time had no policy was definitely a but as of this issue with you in the near future thanks to brian whos carolines and brian broderick. And thank you 2 for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting a website dot com for further discussion go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Its a story you can also join the conversation on twitter and that is ha incisively from me. The whole team here in doha by for that. 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