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And it will be a fairly cloudy day 29. 38 on tuesday in aleppo heading to the south the tell much as have come down to. 38 degrees however as that has happened the humidity has risen so feeling very uncomfortable and it will stay pretty much like this as we head off into choosey as well if id have anything the temperature but that doesnt necessarily mean it wont fail host 41 in abu dhabi and we have a few in muscat now we head down into Southern Africa where we still remain to need the rain. And rain on monday a warm day and 23. 00 a warm pretty much what we tend to expect for this time of year but then on cheese day this front really does just by those 7 scholz so we should see some rain doesnt tend to cool things all 15 degrees but it will be warmed and and with a high of 27. Take the worst possible material eurabia. Comparable to our make up. And put in place to. Ban time is going so many people out here this is the silent. But doesnt make you feel like a we created a. Disaster. And investigation south africa toxic city on aljazeera. Aljazeera. Where every. Israel begins to demolish palestinian homes close to the separation wall and the ok what occupied west bank after a long legal battle to stop it. Followed will be drudges there live from doha on Martine Dennis also coming up. Gangs of men attacked protesters in hong kongs train stations after another mass prodemocracy knowledge ends involved and. As iran raises its flag on the seas british trying the u. K. Prime minister calls an emergency meeting to decide her governments next means. And to own calls to win ukraines Election Commission says president selenski this policy is well ahead in the parliamentary vote. But 1st Israeli Forces a started to demolish about 100. 00 palestinian homes built close to the separation barrier in the occupied west bank the residence of what the this force a 7 year legal battle to overturn what is a military is vick shouldnt old but israels high colts dismissed the case allowing for the demolitions and thats despite the land being under the administration of the Palestinian Authority. Well madison is that correspondent hes that was in the up the pied west bank so the demolitions have now got under way. For tonights right let me give you an indication of how things have been progressing if i can show you that payoff house that pink stone houses just over my shoulder there now in the early hours of this morning that was home to a family that had 6 children a husband a wife and a set of parents as well they were living in one room and then the Israeli Security forces moved in removed the family and we when we were here we heard screaming and shouting as the family were led away now by house has been demolished by about a 3rd in the work is continuing to tear up tear it apart as you can see the digger there beginning to move its way further into the innards of the house let me just show you we are in East Jerusalem at the moment but let me just show you across the road there that is the west bank and over on the hill you can see another car pretty again a 3rd of that property has just fallen to the ground in the last 10 minutes or so as its being chewed away theres a property right next door to us at about 715 this morning local time which was home to 2 families and the reason you suddenly started hearing a series of very loud bangs this was another mechanical digger that was tearing away at the roof now the reason for all of this is as you mentioned military ruling that was made about 80 years ago the military ruled that there could be no properties built within about 250 meters of the separation wall of the separation fence let me just quickly show you the separation fence runs up the center of this road here you can see how close the properties are on the site that meant as far as the israeli authorities were concerned that these properties were legal but there is a catch in that this area is administered by the Palestinian Authority these. But things were built with the authorization and the appropriate permits issued by the Palestinian Authority israeli saying that it doesnt matter these properties are illegal because of military ruling and therefore thats what these properties be toned down theres a little bit of a sting in the tail as well for the families because not only are they having to see have homes be destroyed but under the law if they dont destroy this that their homes themselves they have to pay for the demolition ride and rubble how many people do they have an idea as to how many people actually losing that happens and what happens to that. Figures are actually very difficult to ascertain simply because there are different other the determination is and interpretations of what constitutes an Apartment Building for example if some organization is regarded as simply an organized building such as the one behind me for example which is partially complete others regarded as the buildings in which people are actually living we understand that of all the properties that are being affected and we think there are about 102 apartments that doesnt necessarily mean that they are buildings weve heard that there are 16 buildings and 102 apartments across both sides of the separation separation line that are being affected by this but out of that only 3 of them were occupied which was the family that was living in the paint store house of the family that was living in the building next door to us so that in those terms the numbers are fairly small in terms of occupancy but were also talking about a wider figure which were led to believe is about 350. 00 people who have invested in these properties he all aligned and paid for the construction and as i mentioned before they are losing all their money and they will probably have to pay for the demolition work thats going to be taking place. Right rob matheson live in the occupied west bank thanking. Now the british Prime Minister trees a maze due to hold an emergency meeting own irans of an oil tanker in the strait of all means the British Governments reported to be considering sanctions as part of its response to the crisis the iranian flag is now flying on the captured vessel as it remains anchored at the iranian poles of banda its being seen as retaliation for the season of an iranian tanker in the british territory of gibraltar that in baba reports now from london. You. A Radio Exchange apparently detailing what happened in the strait of hormuz on friday a British Navy Officer from the frigate h. M. S. Montrose tells the crew of the oil tanker stener him piro that its in a recognized International Strait and must not be impeded he then urges the Iranian Navy Patrol boat which ordered the tanker to change course not to intervene. Late. And through the end of the senate. But irans revolutionary guard soon arrived by helicopter and seized the tanker Iranian Maritime officers said on sunday the vessel and its crew of 23 from india latvia the philippines and russia a safe in the port of bandar about us weve already announced that if the ship or the crew members if they have any needs we are ready to meet them however there are some regulations and we should conduct a casualty investigation with regards to the vessel the u. K. Has written to the United Nations Security Council insisting the stand imperio had been in the territorial waters of oman and saying iran had violated International Law the British Government is calling it a hostile act but its wary of escalating tensions we have seen as i say a ratcheting up the last 3 weeks of events and tensions in the straits of hormuz and with iran as a whole we need to make sure that we thought this go back to the Bigger Picture of the russian ship with iran and make sure that we protect our International Shipping taking to twitter irans foreign minister mohammed jeffard zarif is accusing President Trump security adviser john bolton of quote turning his venom against the u. K. In hopes of dragging it into a quagmire i had a very long conversation with him over the weekend britains foreign secretary jeremy hunt phones a wreath he then said to her on was implying it had retaliate. For britain hoping to seize the grace one tanker of gibraltar britain insists that was legal because the grace one was breaking e. U. Sanctions by carrying oil to syria hans expected to Tell Parliament on monday what diplomatic and economic measures britains planning in response to the latest incident if his conservative leadership rival Boris Johnson becomes Prime Minister in a few days time settling a major diplomatic dispute with iran will be top of the to do list for the barber al jazeera. Irans Foreign Ministry thing in venezuela accuse the Us Government of economic terrorism basically laws u. S. Government run using a terminology that has lawful kharkiv and uses economic pressure is a pure and simple we need to repeat it again and again and we do not negotiate with terrorists. There you will not negotiate with terrorists we will not negotiate with this because this is the economic order them but they are doing it on cuba what is the earlier republic of venice word big a little bit been the aggressive move. Right lets go to hong kong where the chief executive carrie lamb and her top of visuals in the process of addressing the media after another mass rally against said government ended in battles with the Police Hundreds of thousands of prodemocracy demonstrators returned to the streets of hong kong for the 7th straight weekend but alice after the song turn that anger on the office of chinas government that mcbride reports. As police were warning they were about to clear the streets protesters busily prepared the barricades that were meant to stop them. The protesters had laid siege to the chinese central governments Liaison Office in hong kong and police decided it was time to act. There was a tense standoff objects were thrown at the ranks of riot police who then responded in force. Police fired multiple barad use of tear gas canisters as they made the protesters give up ground. Fighting he said been raging forward firing tear gas as they go pushing the crowds further back from one barricade to the marriage some of the protesters are saying to leave the streets and fall back into the Central District others already and their friends to stand their ground as this chaos continues. It was a violent 10 to an otherwise peaceful protest again attracting massive crowds they took to the streets chanting go Home Congress keep it up was good but this is exhausting work through the summer heat i am tired and really hope to take a rest but it is time for it is time for us to continue and now is the summer of this contact. The protesters are demanding the complete withdrawal of a controversial extradition bill that they say would allow. China to take political opponents to face summary trial in mainland courts many see it as a further gradual erosion of hong kongs freedoms within china i think fighting for something that we think is right and we should have been told that. If we dont come out now later on we wont be able to come out to tool the full year theres no justice from the government thats why i have to protest tensions were raised before this march with the discovery of bomb making equipment which police say could be linked to the protest movement and police had demanded that this march finish early but as the numbers swelled it became obvious there was no stopping the crowds was they once more surrounded government buildings in the police headquarters. The violent tend to the day shows increasingly a small minority of protesters are willing to risk injury to themselves and to the police. Roadblock bright aljazeera on call well later in the evening dozens of mouse men attacked people who were returning home from that demonstration i. Have it is have immersion social media showing a group of men dressed in white and armed with sticks and storming into a metro station in the district on the outskirts of hong kong at least 22 people were taken to hospital one of them is in a Critical Condition and opposition politicians blamed this attack on suspected gang members and say they will investigate. Right lets go live now to sarah clarke our correspondent whos in hong kong 1st of all weve just seen in fact i think. She talking again what is currently saying and how is she addressing the issues that arose from yesterdays events. Hong kongs chief executive terry lamb and the Police Commissioner are currently holding a press conference to address those bonding clashes which you just mentioned which happened in your long which is in the New Territories in Hong Kong Well away from where we are now which is the Legislative Council building or the government headquarters which is where kerry lamb is speaking at a press conference she has condemned those violent clashes she said that challenge the bites line of the one country 2 systems agreement she said the government will investigate the you know incident as you mentioned around 46. 00 people were injured in those attacks and shes also suggested that there was an organized more as you mentioned they appeared that the group appeared in wearing white t. Shirts and they were targeting those protesters for on their way home from the peaceful rally which we saw on sunday here in hong kong she said that they broke the rule of law shes requested the commission to investigate and to arrest those protesters all those people that mob who were involved in those violent clashes she said the violence wont solve any problems its hurting society and its hurting hong kong people and the Police Commissioner has backed what she said and what seems to be pretty certain is that this whole protest movement in hong kong has evolved in the past and is a rising where there are Peaceful Demonstrations to begin with attracting vos numbers of people and at the end of the demonstrations things are turning rather ugly voles in quite often violence on both sides it must be said positions seem to be holding in home co. Look it certainly is that the violent clashes we saw last night has certainly escalated the level of violence weve seen over the past month or so these have been described as targeted attacks the prodemocracy lawmakers there describe it as an act of terrorism theyve called it white terror simply because the mob or these gangsters as theyve been described are wearing white t. Shirts and they were armed with metal steel rods and theyve bought leave reach some of these the antigovernment protesters as you mentioned who are turning from this rally when those antigovernment protesters tried to board the trying to escape misuse those people on the train and a journalist was also attacked as well as a lawmaker so the response from the prodemocracy nor mike is has been swift and they have vehemently condemning what happened last night in your long now i should say the probe will make is that turned around and declined in order to say that they were there was no involvement from this side because theyve been accused of actually being part of this collusion with the group that attacked these antigovernment protesters last night so the prodemocracy lawmakers saying a sign that they believe this cooperation even collusion between the police and what we often refer to here in hong kong as triads that theyre like for the criminal gangs so certainly the level of violence has been escalating and these protests have continued for more than a month at this stage there is no end in sight sarah clarke live in hong kong for us thank you. Were going to come hear it out in fear of what the philippine president will do next protests as he delivers his state of the nation address. A cause of so much sickness the problems trying to get clean Drinking Water in iraqs largest Southern City. Hello there no its about picture across much of central and Southern Europe to the north we havent ever low pressure weve got cloud even some thunderstorms you can see that had working for eastwards in the last few hours out tools these more western regions of the southwest it is about the heat the temperatures only increase not just on the increase but actually well above the average 5 degrees above the average in london on monday 33 in paris a very warm day even warmer on shoes day 36 celsius in paris that is 12 degrees above the average for this time of year feeling very hot and of course thats a very high temperatures you need to really take out and about that so warm as spreading across into Central Regions but then in vienna both a 30 degree celsius not so on monday because we have then got this cloud still attached this front working its way eastwards we could also see some of the thunderstorms through poland germany over monday really by choose day that should work its way further east was and you can see a nice day into rome either 35 celsius and theres a 30 celsius in berlin again the temperature is above the average Northern Africa it is fine and dry temperatures here actually fairly typical for the time of the year 33 in tunis on monday and weve got 25 on both days. Meanwhile 28 celsius as either in tripoli. Right. Brad its time for us to take a look at the top stories here. Israeli forces of started to demolish about 100. 00 palestinian homes in the occupied west Bank Residents of one of the fullness last a 7 year battle after Israels High Court dismissed their case despite the line being under the administration of the Palestinian Authority. The british Prime Minister is to hold an emergency meeting over the british trying to oil tanker seized by iran in the strait of hormuz the ship and its crew detained in the iranian port of banda. Hong kongs leader caroline has strongly condemned the violence following sundays prodemocracy rally she says the people who vandalized the office of chinas government and suspected gang members who attacked protesters will all be held accountable. The thousands of protesters are joining mass rallies across the philippines theyre calling for president rodriguez to turn to his resignation the demonstrations coincide with president to tertius state of the nation address as he elaborates on his policy priorities and that could include the reinstatement of the Death Penalty and possible amendments to the constitution the president is also expected to press on with his socalled war on drugs despite International Condemnation jimmy joins us now from manila and so tell us what is what is driving specifically this and deter. Such a protest since. It is this going tense and the major prevailing issues were seeded see so far from the 10s of thousands of protesters who showed up here today i do contentious issues the issues of what they see as acts of aggression by china and thats. South china sea and there are trees on their philippine been sold and the proceeds to happen should resonate with the good that theyre doing and the opposition towards you so cold war or drugs which critics and say here get actually more than 20000 but let me know since we launched it in 2016 when he was sworn into office no march started about an hour ago were seeing thousands of protesters coming from different organizations their friends sections maxence of Civil Society organizations when they just need or is it just communities and even members of the home of former members of the government theyre expected to stay here today for a few hours and listen to the president s speech which they say it was basically just be a call for them all the by you places he has made that and continues to come in under his presidency or i do mean i will leave it there is a very noisy rally to me down the road to a correspondent live in a. Now in ukraine the new Political Party formed by the president calls to win a majority in parliament and therefore be able to push through his promised reforms president. Called sunday snap election after his landslide victory in president ial elections in april in a paris election cabalist paid off as mohamed a day now reports think it will never get this election so president will admit his alinsky is fast Major Political test the vote was initially set for october but zaleski the committee in time politician dismissed parliament it is integration speech in may and called for. Sinking us traum monday for his 7th of the people pertti to pursue what he said would be an Ambitious Program of reforms the little 1st time voters in the capital kiev could barely hide the eggs and about spitting in the elections. Procedure was clear for me even though i never voted before but nevertheless its funny to take part in the elections when you have the vote and you know that your vote will matter taking into account what is happening in the country its also very cool to each of us here we are grateful to the people of ukraine for their support thank you lets applaud the people of ukraine for their great trust in our party here in the servant of the people i am allowed to say servant of the people you see theres no more campaigning im now campaigning only for ukraines. Zelinsky how sadies most likely candidate for Coalition Partner in parliament is that recently formed the halmos or voice of ukrainian rockstar c. V. S. To mark a tree i vote for the future. I voted for volleyball because i think that although next. Already showed the results one year we are all of france at this point so we need to change but its not. Change. We need to change in order to make real change the apartment willingness to place ukraine in the harms of mobys politicians analysts say is symptomatic of the publics discontent with establishments ukrainians in the event majority they do not trust in old politicians and those new coming to power with the presidency and with the rest of Political Parties they are on experience and it will be a serious test definitely it will not be easy work for president and for his majority or for his call listen to all of the country was able to take part in these elections because still remain under russian control and influence of. All the force issues and he will have to resolve now that his party has a formidable presence in parliament. Algis either. Bring 2 wildfires under control but one blaze is still burning dangerously close to villages more than 800. 00 firefighters are battling the flames in Castillo Blanco thats about 200 kilometers north of the Capital Police are investigating what started the fires with one man arrested on suspicion of at least 13 people have been injured several regions remain on high and. Firefighters here he just stopped and then went away my father was trying to hose the fire while my mother and i waited to deal with there if it was not for me and my mother all of this would have been burnt by now. Its a calamity at my brothers house im more afraid for his house than mine because his is made entirely of wood and hes not here hes in front. Puerto ricos embattled governor has announced he wont be seeking reelection next year but is refusing to give in to protesters who are calling for his immediate resignation in a video on Facebook Ricardo rosier says he will also step down as leader of his party if on his days of demonstrations after leaked messages showed him and his advisors insulting women the disabled and victims of hurricane maria. A gun registry being introduced in new zealand the 2nd wave of foreign reforms after the Christ Church mosque attacks the government also plans to make it harder to get and keep a gun license and noncitizens will no longer be able to buy firearms the changes follow a ban on assault rifles in april when 51 people were killed in the christchurch attacks are gun laws date from 1983 and are dangerously out of date with technology with trade and ultimately would society the changes announced today been decades in the mightly and it is now up to this parliament to deliver in the interests of public and personal safety. People living in iraqs largest Southern City say their government is failing to deliver clean water its thoughts that 120000 people have needed hospital treatment within the past year in bastra after Drinking Water polluted with sewage and toxic waste as a summer binge of aid now reports some fear a repeat unless the problem is fixed. To fish are just about breathing but it looks like theyll be taking their last gasp soon swimming next to a Treatment Plant one of many providing water from salty tributaries and canards to the more than 4000000 people of basra. The aging network is unable to cope with rising demand. The quantity as well as quality of the water is a major concern. Was among 120000. 00 iraqis who needed hospital treatment after drinking polluted water last year his family struggles to afford the 15. 00 needed every day dubai clean water from privately owned tanker companies. I have recently developed a skin disease from filthy water in our taps and it took me 6 months to get traces of a majority of the affected our women and children this water of water costs about 50 cents not everyone can afford bottles like this one what many people are able to afford is water taps like these which come directly from the river and its tributaries and it is this polluted water which has been the cause of sending more than 120000 people to hospital in a city which is home to more than 4 and a half 1000000 people since last years outbreak of disease the problems have been identified but solutions require serious efforts and funds a supply of clean water is among the many basic services lacking in this oil rich city or to. The real cause of Water Pollution come from the main water sources high level of salinity and bacterial contamination to the corrosion of water pipelines and there are infrastructure issues contributing to bus rose water problems. Human rights watch says untreated sewage as well as industrial and agricultural waste is pumped into waterways the fear is that this situation is only going to get worse because authorities havent done what they need to in order to protect the people of basra and ensure that there is adequate Water Quality and quantity iraqs Health Minister says the government understands the severity and urgency of the crisis. We have a comprehensive review of the environmental. Challenges and in the relation to the Drinking Water we are now for the 1st time in over the last 5 to 6 months we are producing regular bulletin on the stand of water it will take more than monitoring to solve the crises in addition to government mismanagement and neglect Climate Change and dams in neighboring turkey and iran are also taking a toll on Water Resources and theres a constant fear that another outbreak of disease might happen at any time job it out of the era buster. Time to take a look at the top stories here about Israeli Forces a started to demolish about 100 palestinian homes in the occupied west Bank Residents of what this last a 7 year legal battle after Israels High Court dismissed their case despite the land being under the administration of the Palestinian Authority from matheson has more from what the al home this. If i can show you about our house that big story house is just over my shoulder there in the early hours of this morning but it was home to a family that had 6 children the house for the wife and the 2nd parents while they were living in one room and then the Israeli Security forces moved in and removed the family and we when we were here we heard screaming and shouting as the family were led away now as i speak for most by about burden the work is continuing to. Tara tara the party can see. The u. K. Prime minister to resign means to hold an emergency meeting of the british flag the oil tanker seized by iran in the strait of hormuz the ship and its crew are detained in the iranian political band. Hong kongs leader carol lam has strongly condemned violence following sundays prodemocracy rally she says the people who vandalized the office of chinas government and suspected gang members who were attacked the protests is all be held accountable. We absolutely do not condone that sort of violent acts and i let me made this clear again violence is not a solution to any problem or violence will only breed more violence and at the end of a day the whole of hong kong and the people will suffer as a result of the loss of law and order in hong kong thousands of protesters adjoining mass rallies across the philippines theyre calling for president roderigo to tertius resignation the demonstrations coincide with the president s state of the nation address as he lays out his policy priorities and that includes the reinstatement of the Death Penalty and possible amendments to the constitution all right up to date there is the very latest headlines from us here at aljazeera coming up next its inside story. Aljazeera. Problems of besides the instability is corruption we listen because i hadnt been so who are pushing the United States and President Trump into conflict we meet with global newsmakers and talk about the stories that matter is iraq. Are flags of convenience and Inconvenient Truth for the shipping industry the registers the Iranian Oil Tanker seized by britains armed forces and dozens of other ships to why are they sailing under a foreign flag and so the practice be stopped this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program im to you navigate the threat of military action between iran and the u. K. Oversees the oil tankers is provoking a debate about a common practice in the shipping industry many vessels are owned by companies in one country but registered in another an example is the iranian tanker detained by britains Royal Marines a couple of weeks ago the British Government said the grace one was stopped near gibraltar for carrying oil to syria in violation of e. U. Sanctions like around 7000. 00 ships worldwide the tanker was sailing under the flag of panama but the panamanian say they removed the super tanker from their shipping register 2 months ago and their d. Registering another ship which disappeared from tracking maps in the strait of hormuz last week while under International Law every commercial ship must be registered in a specific country many ship owners choose a foreign country to register and a practice known as flag of convenience the flag state is responsible. A safety inspections and working conditions of the crew ships registered under flags of convenience can often reduce operating costs avoid regulations and hire cheap crews panama has the Worlds Largest shipping registry followed by liberia and the Marshall Islands critics though say the practice allows substandard regulations and makes a hard to hold ship owners to accounts and some shipping is involved in crimes such as smuggling weapons or illegal drugs. Lets bring in our panelists for this discussion via skype from kingston in the canadian province of ontario we have who chang has any ari hes a professor of International Relations on Security Issues at the university in all mon joining us from london is phil diak on hes a Maritime Security analyst also a partner at the Maritime Security Risk Consultancy dryad global and over in new jersey via skype we have Lawrence Brennan he teaches maritime law at Fordham University thanks very much for joining us on inside story and welcome to all if you fill if i may start with you over in london is it fair to say that part of that cheaper and easier process of registration in another country doesnt mean fewer regulations for these ships and recent incidents in the gulf are now shining a spotlight on certain issues. I think its fair to say that the industry as a whole has improved its standards considered rare over the last decade or so and most of the prominent flags of convenience are all signatories to the best and highest standards the thing to remember is that a flag of convenience is ineffective effectively a business and the businesses are trying to attract their customers and we talk about panama being the largest so what it offers is a set of regulation and standards and as you mentioned every vessel has to ascribe to a flag therefore its trying to attract as much business to itself now they may all ascribe to the highest on the safe or environmental for ship and safety and welfare and some of the areas youve already mentioned and whilst the flag of convenience in this case how them are is the largest there are others also vying for business so im not sure its fair to say that its a way of avoiding issues but each vessel owner will discard decide based on their own Business Metrics as to which flag they will describe to. Over to laurens brenin just break down for us if you may when its merchant ship registers with a country known as were saying as its flying state what does this actually mean in terms of how much oversight and jurisdiction the country has over the vessel. The country has over that ministry of oversight over the vessel the manning the crew the safety and security regulations. But not to the exclusion of other nations. Depending on the circumstances the location of the ship other nations especially port states have the right to inspect and regulate flags of convenience can be of high quality and some are not of the same quality and as my colleague noted earlier theres been a an improvement but throughout the 1960 s. And seventys most of the major environmental disasters were on tank vessels tankers that were flying plagues of convenience and a lot of those were old ships that could no longer survive after open 90 the exxon valdez disaster the older tankers 25 years and older and the single hull tankers were were taken aside but weve had similar problems the ones were seeing in the persian gulf strait of hormuz and even the in the gulf go for belmont in the 1980 s. In the tank a war involving eram in to some extent iraq in the United States where there was war declared on tankers bound for each other the enemy rand would attack it tankers bamf air rack and vice versa ultimately the United States volunteered to represent other nations and damned certain tankers that were being attacked and in fact the kuwaiti tankers were reflagged as u. S. Ships in the late 1980 s. The flag of convenience states or parties to many of the International Treaties there are questions in disputes among the experts as to the ability of those ships to be inspected investigated but a lot of that work is done by classification societies and again some experts will disagree that quest patient societies are equal in their representation in their skills in the United States. The american brewer shipping is not a National Society but is the society that does most of the inspection create us what chips and in some port the u. S. Coast guard but Lloyds Register theres an italian registry a german registry and they have many skilled professional surveyors former captains of ships former chief engineers and licensed professional engineers let me cross over to canada and which i have signed yari so obviously what were hearing from the panelists is that this is a money making industry for countries like panama and liberia who offer this type of service but why do you think countries flock to panama in liberia and why do they register their ships over there as michael mentioned there there are a number of countries who are known to have. Vast majority few issues on their flank. On short i dont sound like a very arguable that there is not as i. Use for a number of issues for example when the americans in the early 1920 said they decided to do that was to somehow to to make you detour on their mind. Not on alcohol. Relations that existed during those days disturbed by putin and other countries. To destruction was that. There are other cases out there that there is a combination. Of Business Model number of companies they would benefit from. A convenience to some august they dont want to get to take this possibility for for 40 ships i mean distaste im talking about this so it combination of reasons. You know came together and. In order to put us in the situation that we are getting now so what do you say vanity fair says that. Which i has on the ari is that a fair system which allows these countries to avoid all sorts of things like taxes inspections and labor laws not necessarily because for example your weight in kind says it is not convenient for the country that loses that that. Is good for the company. Benefiting from the situation its like if for example you. Claim a plane used. By a company in lets say year. Any given country that. Plane comes under the jurisdiction. And so davey had a unit that used to benefit from to say there is it. That that pain in some other cases when that is not such and then that creates this is why he did meant you bought it its really. Become now it came to surface in this context for concrete resting confiscating ships and so forth so that hes in need really to improve even further that i know my colleague mentioned that the situation that youre living in now is much more convenient and much more improve the comparison to the old relations that existed but the reason need really that you review. The deuce you in order to make it very very clear that each. Isa has if thats right. And not just the. Convene in a convent for the for their own has for example been a minute registering a number of ships on line you dont even seen those those sheets and that east is creating a problem. In the past few years in. Government in panama. A. Big number of those who use it for a number of reasons their violation of International Law and so forth and some of those flags everywhere used by Current Events so although this is not fair but in the absence of better after the b. B. C. s ration that you are confronting now and that is not. Clearly an idea that situation fell over to you as our panelist from canada was saying panama has now decided to deregister a number of steps were hearing up to 60 ships over the past few months and that includes the grace one thats the iranian tanker that has been and is still detained as you know in gibraltar by u. K. Authorities to what extent do you think panama is very being pressured to do so at this point and if it is being pressured by whom so the International Chamber shipping monitors the flag states it publishes annually the performance of like states and the performance is measured in many many cats crees and is publicly available the purpose of that is to keep accountability amounts of like states for the fav reasons that weve just been discussing now the flexi its all businesses so theyre going to be concerned about their reputation and their ability to attract business or ships into their registry and therefore if theres a reputational issue such as a vessel that they is deemed to be breaking sanctions and operating a factory illegally then its up to them to really take action and. Clean up their portfolio so in this situation cleaning up portfolio is a regular event but we all seem very much aware of this one because this ones in in the news and its very current so the like states they are businesses they want to attract business and be seen to be compliant which most of them on the very large ones are and also those vessels that are registered with those flags states the owners of them the operators of them they also want to be associated with a compliant business or compliant process and registration process so this cleaning up is probably housekeeping that youve seen any business where theres a regular turnover of vessels we just mention about applying online now if youve got a large volume of vessels moving around in terms of their registrations then some extent you know the or your administration of it and your ability to administer it effectively with inspections which should of course happen every time theres a registration until flag amongst many things then there will be the situation where perhaps as a lag between when straight and inspection right so the example given there of applying online you would expect to be caught up eventually to be conform conforming to the process of wresting feels like right lawrence what do you make of this concept of cleaning up and particularly at this point in the context of all the regional tensions as it is likely panama cleaning up or how much pressure do you think panama was under and by whom look to the flag of the iranian ships that they have in the past few months i think theres no dispute that the United States has encouraged panama or liberia Marshall Islands and maybe others to take appropriate action to ships that are engaged in improper an unlawful conduct such as smuggling. Trafficking drugs while waiting sanctions. Such as was done at the early 21900 centuries but the us and british navy in fighting the slave trade one of the important things to realize is the internet. Ashville nature of maritime commerce theres 35. 00 trillion dollars thats good every year in world global trade most of which 80 percent or so goes by sea and the infrastructure ships ports facilities and thats a lot of money its really the driving force of the World Economy oil is a significant part of that its probably the most valuable commodity trade. Where shipowners try to save some money is own crew its coal manning expenses bunkering expenses a small amount and the quality of the ship in the ability to keep the ship in service wanker and with fewer problems is important so its a business competition between competing problems with the managers of a vessel do we repair or ship do we keep it another 2 years do we get rid of it buy a new ship what the economic benefit ok family just family up on that point with you lawrence so clearly there is a big economic angle to this so if a vessel gets the flags then the owners of the ships might have to register the ships and their countries and correct me if im wrong here but so what are the economic implications of that. Well the us is a great example we have a thing called the jones act which requires us owned u. S. Flagged u. S. Manned ships to trade between 2 american ports so if you want to bring oil from the u. S. Gulf coast to new jersey you need a u. S. Flagged ship there are some interesting exceptions for cruise ships and passenger liner but if you have a u. S. Crew its probably 3 times the amount of cost now the magic issue that makes all ships equal is insurance and particularly environmental insurance what is the whats the cost of having environmental coverage pollution coverage under the checks and Indemnity Club p. N. I cover and the citizens get a financial responsibility no ship particularly no tanker is going to get into a poor without having a citizen get a financial responsibility to show that if theres a pollution event theres millions of dollars available to respond to that pollution event and weve seen that historically in the world for the last 60 or 70 years and weve seen some ships break up and and cant get to whats called the port of refuge those are real problems the 1st thing we did at the beginning of the iraqi invasion of kuwait was to make sure that iraq could not use its ships in global trade its tankers and we were particularly concerned that they would use those tankers to cause an environmental disaster so the British Government the ministry the Foreign Ministry and the u. S. State department where i was a conduit as they say in london for my navy duties we arranged for an Order Council and u. S. And british insurers were prohibited from providing marine insurance to iraqi flag ships in 1900 that wasnt the 1st time its done its been done for hundreds of years right and its it continues to be done ok over to canada and when china has a new area what is. This the registration that were seeing by panama is it in your opinion a way to pressure iran to keep pressure on its economy on its oil flow. I think hes part of that that pressure because you dont doesnt have. That china. Use in order to. Or you have to be monitored or. Range to measure and our staff. Is precious you know for example if you look at the Current Situation there are 2 you know and in sheeps that are stuck in brazil because they they are not. They cannot get fuel. By that because unions because of the sanctions and consequently it puts a lot of pressure on on to eat any and. Hardly any to sanctions that are imposed on them by different names or National Entities and so. You spend it any prostitute read. It makes it it makes you dont even more want to read to. You its ranting and i handed it to you was this the issues that ought thats what i made of it but there is no doubt that. I cannot be used. To men so many other countries precisely because of that kind of relationship that. Pertains. Rest of the community to know that there be any security risks however who are trying to widespread the registering of ships and particularly in hot spot areas like the strait of hormuz. I believe so because then. Like you did the other sheep that now eats. Eats arrested by eat any and it is true about that was the disappeared from the front irradiance for sometime last last says they go is so now is in a limbo at least that is shit that is also the heart. Is so that it and then the question is really what to do if you destroy it you are deed and in going to q 2 just simply let it sit in one of the again or so for how long and there who is going to take care of the crew and this so many other questions of that nature and read out for you go use the question of insurance and and its read write a game lets put it out yeah. Lets put that to fail because i see you nodding your head phil ill give you an example this stana imperio which is currently seized by iran for according to iran violating International Maritime law is in fact swedish oh and those on board are india under russian law and in filipino we hear but its the u. K. Flag thats flying that particular ship so is that fly just symbolic or to what extent does the u. K. Now oprah text and to that vessel. So youve just highlighted exactly the murkiness of what is the the oldest form of globalisation International Aspects to shipping so youve got u. K. Registered youve got swedish own youve got those different interested parties of the cargo so it is when it comes to whos got responsibility ultimately iran has an issue as impounded a vessel that has multiple interests normally its the u. K. Flag that sits above all however of course you know weve got a swedish and vessel part and we also go. But you call they say you know there are other parties that are going to feel the impact of the ever on his decision again thats the point before about is going to happen in the straits of hormuz is to registration process as on a wider scale i dont believe just because its the straits of hormuz thats going to happen what were saying is that pressure applied to stuff like states either by themselves or by external parties to enforce whatever of sanctions or other rules that are being broken and to take action against them so in the case of perhaps the United States putting pressure on panama to take a closer look at vessels that are conducting activities that are regarded as perhaps illegal all counter to certain agendas then yes that we can see the registration processes with all the problems that my colleague has just mentioned with stranded cruise stranded assets to and where do they go in the case of a direct stated iranian vessel it can go back to iran but once its then flagged with an iranian flag what can it do we just heard that its options really are limited at lawrence final word to you do you think that were going to see more deregistration and more the targeting of fleets. Yes i think thats true but theres an important economic issue that is easily confused we have deregistration and the seizures of ships recently and its the general maritime practice ships in court are personified theyre the same as a person so when my client calls up and said that the british flag tanker hit my fishing ship in the strait of hormuz and i have a maritime william and i want you to arrest that ship. There can be an arrest and its a civil process it normally doesnt occur with the Iranian Revolutionary guard launching helicopters and small boats its usually an order from a judge in a net madureira time court and its brought up by a civil office of the marshal or in some other countries the sheriffs right now in a case in a case like the one we saw or involving stana pirro. That would have been done in a telephone pole between the lawyers or representatives of the fish boat and the in the tanker and they would have said hey my fish broke and he had it your tankers fault you owe me a 20000 dollars 100000 dollars a 1000000. 00 the owner of the tank would say i dont want my ship arrested anywhere but particularly here and now my insurance will be happy