Disarmament talks that might be enough to buy him some goodwill in his shed your meeting with President Trump next weekend but analysts warn if those talks falter then china could decide to soften the United Nations sanctions its been enforcing against its neighbor. China and north korea remain allies with a long history for weeks now Chinese State t. V. Has been glorifying chinas role in the korean war when the Peoples Liberation army fought on the north side against u. S. Forces in a war that started almost 70 years ago. Well the stars are its not what she says in pyongyang that will be significant its what he does him standing side by side will compete with kim jong un will send a very clear message and that message is yes north korea and china occasionally fall out but the relationship for now remains rock solid brown and beijing thank you major. Well the weather is next but still ahead on aljazeera pro breaks at n. P. R. Boris johnson extends his lead in the race to become the u. 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Hello there were still seeing plenty of showers over ticky that have been causing a few problems giving some of us some flooding and they still want to toss it about on all satellite picture that we more to as we head through the next few days many parts of turkey and stretching a bit further north towards the extreme southwestern parts of russia now as we head through into friday looks like most of those showers will begin to disintegrate but there will still be a fair amount of cloud just the outside chance of a shower here in that for the south just pretty hot at the moment but about kabul up at 31 a force in baghdad were a 40 and the winds of them firing that hot air for the south so q 8 is also a very very warm and here in doha its hearts and its really blowing a hooey out there at the moment that wind will stick around as we head through thursday and into friday and will only begin to ease as we head through friday night and into saturday for the south it will be a fair amount of cloud over possible man and in say yemen but this shouldnt be anything in the way of what weather from that there will also be some cloud just grazing the coast of mozambique this is likely to be giving us a few showers that are normal 2 of them could turn out to be rather heavy were also expecting some showers around the coast of madagascar and this system is going to pick up as we head through the day on friday so expect some shellfish showers if you hear. The weather sponsored by the time the ways. This is a dialogue reading about it what actually saying it on International Media and on t. V. When you stop this conversation with skepticism because theres a lot of it on mine everyone has a voice we are being taken advantage of just because we are Small Community without a need that work just helps join the global conversation announces iraq all they want to do is start to feel the same kind of debate that we have here in st. Hello again im. Reminded of the news this hour. Arrived in north korea the 1st visit by a chinese president and 14 yes hell hold talks with kim jong un the leaders are expected to focus on denuclearization as well as Economic Issues. Un special rapporteur yes kalamata has described. As an extrajudicial killing which saudi arabia is responsible to report calls for an International Investigation into the responsibility of saudi officials at the highest level including crown Prince Mohammed bin salah. And saudi arabias minister of state for Foreign Affairs has rejected the report. Says its full of baseless allegations and contradictions. Now it looks at the sequence of events leading up to Jamal Khashoggi. Rates months off to Jamal Khashoggi and to the saudi consulates in istanbul never to be seen again more chilling details of whats happened to the journalists have been revealed on wednesday the United Nations special reports were tossed with investigating crucial to his murder released her reports. In its quotes from recordings she heard 1st hand provided by turkish intelligence extracts that are truly gruesome according to the reports on september 28th 4 days before she was murdered a security attache stationed at the consulate telephoned madame a trip and adviser at the royal courts of qom Prince Mohammed bin salim on the trip the security official g. Who visited the consulate earlier that they will indeed return on october 2nd yes we are all shocked we just spoke i said how are you there isnt anything official but its known that he is one of the people salt later that same day the saudi consul general himself some of the tavi spoke to another individual known only as a head of state security called me and they have an assignment they need a person from your protocol for a special in a Top Secret Mission the assignment is security related over the next 3 days at least 2 consular staff travel to riyadh to be briefed on the mission before returning back to resemble they were joined separately by the rest of the hit squad headed by my head of the trip according to the recordings and as reported by the u. N. Official on tuesday october 2nd 2018 thats one or 2 pm local time just minutes before she entered the consulate mr motorboats heard speaking to chief forensic dr. Will it be possible to put the trunk in a bag no to having to basically adds he hopes it will be an easy job joints will be separated it is not a problem the body is heavy 1st i cut on the ground if we take plastic bags and cut it into pieces it will be finished we will wrap each of them leather bags according to the reports there is a reference made to cutting skin but no detail is given. A few minutes pass and the trip is heard all skink has the sacrificial animal arrived a voice replies hes arrived at 1 15 pm as seen in c. C. T. V. Footage she enters the consulates by himself after leaving his phones with his fiance who waits for him outside once inside he appears to have been met by someone he knows who he also about the whereabouts of the consul general whose office hes then taken to according to the recordings the conversation with german officials she 1st focuses on his return to saudi arabia we will have to take you back there is an order from interpol interpol request you be sent back were coming to get you. There is no case against me ive notified some people outside and theyre waiting for me the driver is waiting for me send a message to your son which son what should i say to my son you will type a message lets rehearse show us what should i say see you soon i cant say kidnapping cut it short take off your jacket how could this happen in an embassy i will not write anything cut it short i will not write anything type it mr jamal hurry up help us so that we can help you because at the end we will take you back to saudi arabia and if you dont help us you know what will happen at the end that this issue find a good end after this has shocked you notices a towel he asks are you going to give me drugs to which he is told he will be anesthetized what happens next are believed to be the last moments of jamal official she is life or at least his consciousness before his body is ultimately dismembered did he sleep someone is heard asking he raises his head says another voice keep pushing push here dont remove your hand push it is the order thats given the u. N. Reports or say is factual she could have been injected with a sedative and then suffocated using a plastic bag there was mention of a rope by the 15 man hit squad but it couldnt be established if one was used sounds of movement and heavy panting could be heard in the remainder of the recordings as well as the sound of past exceeds being used to rap turkish intelligence is that its recordings show thats a soul was used just minutes after at 1 39 pm but the u. N. Special repertory on to the legation could not make out the sources of the sounds that they heard according to the reports only 45 minutes of audio recordings were made available to the uns investigator its believed turkish intelligence has another 6 hours and 15 minutes or your evidence that spans several days. Last week Prince Mohammed bin some man who is widely believed to have given the order to kill Jamal Khashoggi stated that the case of the murdered journalist was now closed but its months on the world is still demanding on servers and seeking accountability with each new revelation about the bloody nature of how crucial q. Was murdered is a reminder that the Saudi Crown Prince cannot simply wish away this story. Now irans revolutionary guard says its shut down a u. S. Spy drone violated iranian airspace in the south of the country according to a statement the surveillance drone was brought down in the south in the Southern Province a spokesman for u. S. Central command says there was no drone over iranian territory but refused to comment when asked if an american drone had been shot down and a top french diplomat emanuel has arrived in iran for talks as tension builds between washington and tehran the e. U. Has been pushing back against u. S. Efforts to isolate iran and is trying to keep the 2015 Nuclear Deal Alive the u. S. Special envoy to iran is also heading to the gulf region brian hoke will hold meetings in several countries including saudi arabia the United Arab Emirates and kuwait hell share intelligence on perceived threats from iran the u. S. Governments already announced its sending an extra 1000. 00 troops to the middle east President Trump and secretary pompei i have expressed very clearly our willingness to negotiate with iran when the time is right no one should be uncertain about our desire for peace or our readiness to normalize relations should we reach a comprehensive deal we have put the possibility of a much Brighter Future on the table for the iranian people. Well we spoke to Hillary Mann Leverett whos a former White House National security official and she says donald trump is convinced that his tough line on iran could yield positive results President Trump from from the very beginning from what he campaigned in 2016 has had 2 messages about iran one is that he thought that the deal that obama struck was terrible not because the deal itself was so bad but president obama really was so bad and that he trump was so such a great deal maker he could make such a bigger better deal and the way he was going to do that was to get extremely tough with iran extremely aggressive and militaristic but at the same time hold out more and more what what would be in it for you ron there could be more Business Opportunity with the United States there could be normalization there could be a comprehensive deal things that president obama actually didnt even offer iran so youve had these 2 messages come out of President Trump himself and he has tried to play his own advisors to use them when its convenient you someone hard line like ambassador john bolton his National Security adviser to really put forward a hardline approach or even might pompei you whos also a hawk on iran. Being is not the only high level meeting hell have on the sidelines of next weeks g. 20 summit in japan speaking to u. S. Media trump announced hell also sit down with his russian counterpart vladimir pierson the u. S. President says he hopes the bilateral talks will lead to frenzy a relations with china and russia. International arrest warrants have been issued for 4 men charged with murdering 298. 00 people aboard Malaysian Airlines flight m. H. 17 a trial will be Held Next Year in the netherlands but its unlikely that any of the suspects will be there step thus and reports. Nearly 5 years after flight m h 17 was brought down there are suspects arrest warrants and a trial date much to the relief of the relatives of those who died it was feared it was going to be impossible to bring anyone to justice as the plane came down in a war zone in Eastern Ukraine where investigators couldnt access the crash site. The 3 russian suspects sergey dubin ski. And of all retired Russian Military and Intelligence Officers who investigators say had high ranking positions in the separatist army in Eastern Ukraine. One of the forgotten for votes for the following suspects are prosecuted for causing the crash of a match 17 leading to the death of all people on board punishable under section 168 of the dutch criminal code and 2nd murdering 298 passengers of flight m. H. 70. Investigators say they wont ask for extradition because the constitution in russia and ukraine doesnt allow that but it will request both governments to hand over the summons to the suspects to go get in one of the suspects denies any involvement and sassy wont testify in court immediately after his name and the names of 3 artists were released in the netherlands state media here in russia told the findings nonsense russia has always denied any involvement in downing the plane despite investigators finding that the folks anti Aircraft Missile came from the 53rd and here mark missile brigade base in force in the west of russia. The downing of age 17 was the most deadly single incident in the war between Ukrainian Government forces and russian backed separatists which still continues to this day of the 298 people on board 196 came from the netherlands many of them going on a holiday in Southeast Asia at least sealing frederic hawks on to seoul and greece and his girlfriend daisy were on board says she is relieved that someone is being held accountable its a start but here i am and im satisfied with today your wish to blame someone personally so you misapply to. The natl ns has taken diplomatic measures again. Its russia for not helping with the investigation i think its disgusting they deny everything they dont cooperate nothing investigators say did next step is to find the chain of command of those who ordered the book mistrial to be moved into Eastern Ukraine from russia they are not optimistic any of the suspects will it turn to trial in march next year stop fasten aljazeera moscow the u. K. Is Ruling Conservative Party has held another round of votes to pick their next leader with one more eliminated for remain in the race the frontrunning probe wrecks that m. P. Boris johnson has continued his resulting lead getting 143 votes foreign secretary jeremy hunt is next with 54 environment secretary michael gove is just behind him with 51 votes and home secretaries to suggest such ija scraped through with 38 votes rory stewart was eliminated the foka has more from westminster after 3 rounds of voting now the contenders have gone from 5. 00 to 4. 00 overs jewett the International Development secretary is out he was the only one of the 5 who believe that the heartbreaks a date of october 31st wasnt feasible goal describing it as a fairy story to try and imply to the british electorate that it would be possible that could happen on time. The way the focus is precisely on the remaining candidates all believe the brics it can be delivered at least by the end of the year Boris Johnson is saying that it is possible time come what may with or without a deal and that uncompromising message seems to have gone down very well amongst his conservative party peers is also very much likely to go down well amongst conservative grass roots voters. And you can find much more news on our web site at the address for that out of there dot com. Hello im a star in doha with the headlines on aljazeera un special rapporteur and yes calum all has described last years murder of Jamal Khashoggi as an extrajudicial killing for which saudi arabia is responsible her report calls for an International Investigation into the responsibility of saudi officials at the highest level including crown Prince Mohammed bin. When mr cashel loses consciousness there is no people of power there in the room attempting to take care of him attempting to refuse she too came attempting to do something that to me points to the fact that the notion that there is an accident that the next few didnt happen doesnt quite match what do you have heard there is nor tempt to to do something and there is no scream saw. Any expression or of fear over whats happening and u. S. Senators will hold a number of votes later on thursday aimed at blocking the sale of weapons to saudi arabia democrat bob menendez launched the move after president on our Emergency Declaration aimed at approving the sales without the backing of congress yemens who the rebels say theyve attacked cake power station in the saudi province of jews than with a Cruise Missile theres been no confirmation from riyadh the u. S. Says its closely monitoring the situation. And irans revolutionary guard says its shot down a u. S. Spy drone after it violated iranian airspace in the south of the country a spokesman for u. S. Central command says there was no drone over rainy and territory but refused to comment when asked if an american drone had been shot down the u. S. Special envoy to iran is heading to the gulf region brian hoke will hold meetings in several countries including saudi arabia the United Arab Emirates and kuwait she being has arrived in north korea the 1st visit by chinese president in 14 years hell hold talks with kim jong un the leaders are expected to focus on denuclearization as well as Economic Issues well those are the headlines next up its the stream. 0. And 6. Here in the stream how did an american missionary conduct medical work and uganda without any qualifications we discuss with our panelists whether some western volunteers are doing more harm than good in the developing world will dean the stream of course is driven by you our Online Community and todays show and the story of rene bach was in fact pitched to us by mr voce. And he said. Freedom foundation that your you are. Going a box traveled to uganda in 2007 when she was just 18 years old and founded serving his children a Nonprofit Organization she said what help ugandan women care for ill and malnourished kids critics though say who had no experience in either Development Work or about a said perform complicated medical procedures on hundreds of youths in 2015 ugandan authorities closed the groups facility in the town of jinja amid allegations of medical malpractise but the Organization Still operates in other parts of the country and box case has again highlighted the issue of voluntourism while raising questions of whether some charities in the developing world have a white savior problem Kelsey Neilson calls herself a white savior in recovery like rene she traveled to uganda at a young age and shared her story with us. I had cofounded this n. G. With another Young American woman both of us were fresh out of undergraduate school and we both came from an evangelical background and had access to funding from our churches and from people in the Church Community so it was not that we were more qualified or that we were actually the best to be in charge or to be cofounding this but because we had the power and privilege to do so if theres anything that we as foreign nationals need to do moving forward it is to remain accountable to the people in the country in culture is were working in we need to be held accountable we need to own up when we make mistakes and we need to commit to doing better a lawsuit brought against serving his children has been adjourned until january 2020 and joining us now from kampala to help on pack the story a lasso a livia patients is the cofounder of the Education Advocacy group no white savior also in kampala beatrice is a legal officer with the womens Pro Bono Initiative a group working on behalf of 2 ugandan mothers who say their children were among the many reportedly died under box care and in the u. S. State of illinois dr Noel Sullivan is a medical anthropologist and the stream did invite serving his children to participate in this conversation but the group said quote we are not commenting or responding to questions so welcome everyone into the program ill start here with the had lied this from the news and then an ex an ordinary girl who said yes to an extraordinary god bedford native finds home in uganda and this came out september 26 2718 olivia for those who arent familiar with this story what stands out to you the most about renee backstory. I think thank you very much what stands out on this story is the fact that someone with no medical qualification would come to a country like uganda and treat our children and then relate to being a call from god this is soul dangerous and it is happening in india in the missionary a wild as well it is it is all about god it is god who seeks people to africa and most of the time i ask myself this question when is god going to send the African People to america only part of europe to go on this new shuns this torrent is really striking to me because this woman knew very well she had no medical qualifications but should tell the ugandan children into. Bodies to experimenting on did. She much as she is always saying the she sure want to be good for these children she would have got sure ainda medical doctors to handle these huge amount but even the fact that she was seeing them die she was not stopped being she was not stopping to do all this so this is so striking in my mind it gives me so many question. On what people who come to africa really take africans floor and also what comes to my mind is that people have ticket africa to be an experimental grounds what you can come and do anything and walk away and to go out without anyone holding you accountable this is a woman who is sitting really in the United States after committing such such things on our children but come to think of it if it was a black woman who went to the us or any part of europe and did this theyll be in jail right now but because of the White Privilege that this woman. I. Just feel that whatever she did was right and that i was just a living a strong start to this conversation so i want to bring in the voice. Another publication here and this is of rene who of course did not respond to our calls to appear on the show and speak for herself so this is a quote and what she says the allegations that over a 1000 children died under my care is absolute lies and allegations i cant rule out the fact that children died like they do die and anyhow facility but still its not true to say that i killed them so much right there beatrice what do we know about. Her patients and alleged victim. Thank you so much. Writes no. I didnt find. You. Particularly the fact that. Rainey. She did big to get me. Started. On the quote. Where people can go and get. People my kids. Will train or my car maybe. They will we. Identify. You know its interesting we have so many comments about this issue its obviously something people are very passionate about in fact on you tube live we have i think at the next saying there are a lot of well meaning white folks in aid but aid keeps countries poor and its always funny how t. V. Commercials tell you a countrys poor but never mention why its poor or colonialism and if i may dr know well i want to actually bring up a conversation that people are having online h. G. Flores trying to empathize perhaps with renee saying i believe the issue may be twofold rene bach may be guilty of practicing healthcare without a license and as such could be responsible for the unintended consequences number 2 of the group no white saviors are using this case to push the narrative of white people only hurt black people and forgive me for bringing this last week in but its interesting to see the response like its speaks volumes that you try to tone down what renee did hundreds of kids are dead and youre treating it like a mistake. Dr no im curious for your thoughts both on the idea of colonialism and how that might factor into the emotionality of this but also that debate that played out right there. So this is sort of indicative of the kinds of discourses that happen every time white savior complex is brought up in the media weve had a lot of really good examples of that over the last year and ultimately it ends up being a case where its about peoples Emotional Experience of feeling like theyre getting critiqued for Power Dynamics that they are complicit in but dont necessarily see how theyre complicit in and so in terms of colonialism for instance to respond to what was said thats very much a case of whats going on today in that a lot of the governments that are supporting different types of aid strategies theyre supporting things like hiv or malaria Reproductive Health but theyre never actually accountable to the people theyre helping the people that are being helped dont have a say in the kinds of help that is being rendered and a lot of that aid has ended up undermining the Health Systems and Education Systems that theyre purporting to assist and the same is true of the ngo world so its a very valid critique in that the people that are supposed to be helped are not the people who get to have a real true say in terms of what kind of help is rendered and theres very little possibility to render accountability for any kinds of unintended consequences for the actions of Large Development organizations as well as individuals theres nothing new about people with no medical training going from the United States or canada or australia or other countries in europe or elsewhere even to go and help in hospitals or to go start their own clinics this is something that ive been researching since 2011 and its very common and theres a sense that the people that are going are sort of socialized from an early age to think im supposed to give back i am supposed to help its my obligation but also later its my right to do that and then they go and oftentimes if theyre working side by side with. Professional so. If i professionals in the countries where theyre working they often under that expertise that the people had in order to construct a narrative in which theyre the only ones available to help and we see that very clearly in renes case as well that other people werent helping they didnt have the ability to help so i stepped in even though i dont have those certifications so the idea of constructing a narrative of course is one that strikes a chord online before i dip into some of that we received a comment from a former employee of serving his children and he told the stream about the alleged practices happened under a name box watch so have a look by the time i was i started walking back to talking used to drain the some duct as we are trying to. Pluck shouldnt to prescribe meds scene but searing new used to go ahead and con so what the doctors are prescribed. Because one at one point approach one of the doctor was called looked at you but one. Told me that you know it was either much easier on your own the over the right. To admit that for them to go ahead and prescribe meds scene then for us you console is on course i was i that looked as well to say the country. And for his safety and because he lives there he asked us not to show his face so he recorded that and we use the audio from it so in it he says that rene would counsel what local doctors would prescribe and when other doctors were asked about this they said well a boss is a boss shes the boss what are you going to do so take a look here this via instagram good white person syndrome the persistent and insistent incessant need for us white people to prove that we are not a part of the problem does not deny our implicit role in perpetuating racism and White Supremacy this manifests itself in gaslighting white tears for gillett and the white savior complex and this is posted by your cofounder who we heard at the top of the show olivia cow seeing says im a resident white savior in recovery talk to us about this hash tag this account we did it gets started. Well thank you very much. Theyre starting from ginger i grew up in ginger and ginger is like the epic sent out of likes to them theres so many white people in june just their love of ginger and because ginger is a quiet town anyone can do anything and just walk away and not one is going to really want to let you do so i walked. Alongside growing up in ginger i walked in to enjoy a large and ginger i worked with Kelsey Nelson engine jet and i saw so much happening in ginger i saw adoption i was still. So much that needed to unpack but then there was no way outwards tat happened you not discuss this alone so when i resigned from my job where i was walking and i resigned because there was this terrible wipes go out who was stripping your gun and spoil me and i saw that there was no way i was going to walk with her and i was going to listen to whatever she was going to tell me so i quit my job and when i quit my job i stayed in contact with. Her with Kelsey Nelson and the other team member of the noise called cheryl and we continued to discuss and i continued to point out that there was something going on and that wild needed to know and we needed to address see it so we started with conversations on facebook and then we started to hash tag no white saviors but everyone had their all in to say because they had seen so much kelsey stayed for some time engine jet and she was part of this community at that time she was part of the problem thats why she stays white savior in recovery because she was part of the problem and she will still be part of this problem so this is how we came about with this hash tag and we say that the wild actually nice not the truth of what happened. And ends you all well because so many people walking in danger cannot save everything no one writes to the right and i appreciate your passion and i just want to say that its being mirrored online you know i always love when people are commenting in real time in fact responding to what were saying on air h. D. Flores responding to both me and the earlier tweet i read saying im not treating it like a mistake if she practiced medicine without a license she did it intentionally and as such could be charged with medical malpractise but i want to bring in kind of a different angle to the conversation very quickly kyle William Marston who is very active in our community here at the stream charming in you know we asked a question on twitter do you think there is a way to be there on the ground and not exploit whats happening he says i sure hope so otherwise ive been part of the problem he goes on to say people need to be more aware of this is especially before they go abroad and this i found quite telling its hard not to feel like a rock star when you are the only white person in the 20 kilometer radius especially if youre there for a while which i dont know if you intended it that way but can be problematic in of itself and its just very interesting dr beatrice youre nodding but while im curious you know eddie on twitter saying look ive also been there i tried to be a solution but i was the White Privileged class ive never been the privileged class except when i was in africa i tried to assimilate i had empathy i had many great experiences and i had a return ticket back to wherever i came from so obviously being aware and being candid and honest is important but what else is important in solving this. Well i think just taking away the ownership from the people that are going there to supposedly save people that they know nothing about and instead i think theres a lot of things that could be done but i find that when people go they tend to really favor the kind of assistance that they can provide with their own 2 hands and to realize with some humility that thats not necessarily the most appropriate or helpful thing and if you dont actually have certified professional skills that are being demanded or asked for by the community that you might be part of the problem despite your intentions so what i tell people is you know good intentions are step one of a multistep process and step 2 should always be to try to talk to people in the community to find out what it is that theyre trying to achieve for themselves what are they are goals how many ask how you can assist and realize the assistance you can render may not be with your own 2 hands it might actually be about mobilizing resources including monetary resources or other types of capacities to be able to assist with the stated needs of the communities where youre working and if youre not doing that then it might be part of the problem and that could potentially cause harm and a lot of the harm thats rendered those people that go on short term visits never understand because they dont stay long enough to see the long term repercussions of what they do i want to make clear that of course this is not just one story this is not just about rene bach take there and as you mentioned earlier doctor all you said this is nothing new so i want to share with our audience how not new this really is so this is nairobi news american man claims the sounds on charges of molesting orphan kenyan girls thats one story there this from the Washington Post and american pastor reportedly gave miracle water to ugandans and it was bleat the embassy actually weighed in on that u. S. Mission in uganda the u. S. Mission is aware of reports that an american pastor based remotely is distributing a substance called. Miracle mineral solution to churches in uganda we strongly condemn the distribution of the substance which is extremely dangerous and is not a cure for any disease so of course were talking about individuals here a living but we got this tweet from always somewhere who says i hope the unicef unicef teeth the un human rights and the soon Human Rights Watch all take note of it so were talking about individuals but what is the role of big aid in this. I think. Actually the role of big aid in this is that. We see this was the breakdown of aid when it comes to africa and this in most cases this aid comes with Strings Attached. A Big Organization is trying to help on a mission in africa there will create theyll create positions theyll create positions for their people even when they know all that this person is not heat not that hes how aid now is dangerously it comes here it is not targeting the employment of law close but it is looking down theyre all one who own the top down the top positions and when it comes to ugandans they have to school the law positions and they have to be paid. A wage that is not equivalent to that of the expert but when you come to think of the expect its what they do. That youve got going to let go actually International Study dont do. You know so when we look at aved. Aid flowing into uganda well into any paddles africa theres always some Strings Attached under snow only state look at its not just coming now it has been duffel edges we had recently unaccounted with comic relief when they sent a british celebrity to uganda she took pictures with this child that she didnt know about and comic relief last night the allegation but cant go to that david male saloon uganda and went to this family and got the facts you know and then later it comes out that she didnt have any connection but because uganda needs the aids anyone can walk here take a picture and go away and no one is going to talk about it right because we need the aids right dont we welcome the west aid comes in wont you know just hearing you say that olivia youre saying we need to aid in the mentality obviously is important to analyze and look at on both sides of this equation are all sides i should say and syfy so sunny on twitter saying our governments are allowing this nonsense because they still believe in this white Savior Mentality this ngo are using our people to enrich themselves we also have a video comment come in that was very interesting kind of. You know focusing on a different angle in terms of not necessarily defending n. G. O. S and big aid in general but how to listen to what was said well talk on the other side. Its important to recognize that in many places where National Governments lack the capacity to address the urgent healthcare needs n. G. O. S plea an absolutely vital role in filling those gaps and while its difficult to generalize about them because of disparities in terms of their capabilities or or their agendas most are stuffed by highly qualified professionals many of whom are volunteers and theyre expected to adhere to International Norms and codes of conduct the humanitarian sector has taken steps to professionalize aid work and improve count ability but these sorts of cases just highlight how much there is yet to be done well that was a doctor from ireland im just curious your thoughts on that perspective. Well i think hes got a really important point to make but on the flip side i think that olivia made a really important point that sort of gels well with that one which is that its not just that the governments hes talking about filling a gap that the ngos are filling a gap that at what point do the n. G. O. S also have an obligation to actually bolster the capacity of the Health Systems in the places where they work and the other thing that most people dont realize about the aid sector is that n. G. O. S coming in as well as bilateral donors a lot of times they get Tax Exemptions in the countries where theyre working so while you may actually have qualified ugandan or or other professionals that are able to work in that capacity those folks also pay taxes which helps to provide revenue for the government to bolster those systems and there is most to be a how to write their people and if theyre not just a source are responsible for holding their governments accountable theres no accountability for an ngo sector that isnt necessarily doing that or maybe duplicating or replicating that work and we have decades of Research Demonstrating that kind of delay duplications and accountability is always a problem. I want to bring bitches because we reconnected on the phone very quickly beatrice i pulled up this here woman sued over death of babies thinking qualification of course that is rene where is the lawsuit now in just about a sentence or 2. Yeah i suppose that the case is in the hypo to jinja and it is obsolete hearing on 25 january 2020 highway route were right now we i end up creating binaries stages of that suit where we are responding. To their replies that they give into ice bearers are responding and they have been very prepared to you to send us their responses to id and we believe that by the by 2020 each will be hired fully and everyone will know its meant beatrice olivia patients and dr Noel Sullivan thank you so much for joining us thats all the time we have for todays discussion but thanks of course our community for pitching this and keep the conversation going online following us on twitter we are at into the stream and i will see you next. Hour. 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The kingdom of saudi arabia is to blame for the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi thats the clear conclusion from an lengthy inquiry by u. N. Special investigator agnes cullum odd whos calling for an International Investigation her report describes death inside the saudi consulate in istanbul last october as an extrajudicial killing she says the individual responsibility of saudi officials at the highest level including crown Prince Mohammed bin needs to be investigated the report details taped conversations about body disposal in the moments before arrival at the consulate she says the killing is an International Crime with universal jurisdiction and she urges a criminal inquiry by the United Nations my colleague both spoke to us caught him out. The state of saudi arabia is 1st and foremost responsible for for the murder i think its important to and cyst that the executors of mr casually waltz a killing by use of state we have focused extensively on the identity of various individuals that where involved in the commission of the crime but 1st and foremost we must insist in putting the responsibility of the killing tools the state of saudi arabia it must bear responsibility for that killing and it must take action as a state to repay all the killing what did you learn in these recordings about the way jamal has showed g. s body was disposed of because his remains have still not been found the recordings needs to be interpreted they do not tell a very straightforward story. What was done to his body i cannot deduct from the sounds i have a hope that i can infer from the sound that something was done based on the technique or. Knowledge of the various people i have consulted it is well possible that mr cashel greenwalds 1st put that he was 1st injected with something and then that he was actually asphyxiated weezer plastic bag this is the possibility the nature and the extent of the dismemberment of these bodies i cannot comment upon its not possible allow me to add one thing when at least this was a recording is concerned that i have heard when mr cashel loses consciousness there is no evidence of the people that are there in the room attempting to take care of him attempting to rescue city came the 10. To do something that to me points to the fact that the notion that there is an accident that the next event happened doesnt quite match what i have heard there is nor turned to to do something and there is no scream saw or. Any expression of of fear over whats happening you will be presenting this column are this report i understand on june 26th to the Un Human Rights Council which saudi arabia is a member of. What do you think is going to happen what do you hope will happen now that youve released this report you know my report makes surrender of recall mendacious including to saudi arabia as special rapporteur i am committed to establishing constructive relationship preserve the governments that i work with i have attempted to work with saudi arabia for the last 6 months they have not shown any interest in doing so my reporting producer render every comment dish and including with regard to the ongoing trying including with regard to the fed the saudi arabia should take to demonstrate nonrecognition which is upon them and told dimension of their responsibilities given that they are established that the responsibility of the stink even board. As minister of state for Foreign Affairs has rejected the report it allows or bear says it was full of baseless allegations and clear contradictions he says the only he says only the kingdom has the authority to look into the case and that riyadh retains the right to take legal action and response to the findings. Has more from istanbul on saudi arabias response. The reaction to the final report issued by the United Nations special rapporteur. Was expected the government does not seem to be pleased with the chilling details that were presented in the report and also about the fact that it implicates saudi officials of the highest level in the murder of. Of the other hand the turkish government seems to be pleased turkeys foreign minister. Has fully endorsers the content of the report and the need for the perpetrators to be prosecuted as soon as possible as turkey seems to be now waiting to see what kind of next step the saudi government will. If the saudis are willing to for further cooperation with the turkish government there could be a new chapter but if the saudis decide not to cooperate a thing the turkish government is going to press for the need for an International Criminal investigation to start as soon as possible and turkeys president. Says saudi arabia will pay a price for casualties that are. In the report the u. N. Says saudis are definitely guilty and they definitely had knowledge about this matter they also see the saudi stance in turkey was wrong now they pay the price for this they will be held accountable. Fiance had spoken to aljazeera she says the world has been left in the dark about saudi arabias investigation. When it comes to the comments from beer and other saudi officials that the u. N. Report did not come up with anything new i would like to ask them why they didnt put the perpetrators on public trial and why you didnt hold them accountable why cant the saudis be more open and provide us with details of the investigation and the socalled trial that is happening behind closed doors and u. S. Senators will hold a number of votes later on thursday aimed at blocking the sale of weapons to saudi arabia democrat bob menendez launched the move after president on trans Emergency Declaration aimed at approving the sales without the backing of congress they will also be votes on separate proposals to hold saudi arabia accountable for Human Rights Violations including the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. Now yemens heathy rebels say they have attacked cake power station in the saudi province of just with a Cruise Missile theres been no confirmation from riyadh the u. S. President donald trump has been briefed on the details of the strike its the latest in a series of strikes on saudi cities in the past 2 weeks. Being has arrived in north korea for the 1st visit by a chinese president in 14 years hell hold talks with kim jong un the leaders are expected to focus on denuclearization as well as Economic Issues around has more from beijing president xi jinping has spent part of this month in the company of leaders keen to toast friendship with him among them russias president Vladimir Putin who feted she with a Surprise Birthday Party when he turned 66 last week and she can be assured of another warm reception in north korea hes been once before in 2008 when he was a Vice President but this will be the 1st visit by a chinese head of state in 14 years and it will provide one Important Message says this analyst i personally dont think the United States or President Trump can achieve any meaningful fee involving denuclearization issue on the Korean Peninsula without. Major contribution by china. As chinas relations with the United States worsen juta their continuing trade war shes forging new alliances with other leaders whove fallen out with the u. S. President she has met the north Korean Leader kim jong un 4 times in the past 15 months the last occasion in january shortly before kims summit in hanoi with donald trump where they failed to agree on a Nuclear Disarmament deal a few weeks later trade talks between u. S. And chinese negotiators broke down president xi is confronting a number of urgent problems right now street protests in hong kong the unresolved trade dispute with the United States and the stalled Nuclear Diplomacy on the Korean Peninsula it is likely to be the latter that will feature prominently in his discussions in pyongyang. Commentators say chinas leader is worried the stalemate is creating a dangerous vacuum china does not want this thing to escalate and happen our Nuclear Arms Race throughout asia that would be extremely dangerous for the area and also for the world. If she is able to help revive the Nuclear Disarmament talks that might be enough to buy him some goodwill in his shed your meeting with President Trump next weekend but analysts warn if those talks falter then china could decide to soften the United Nations sanctions its been enforcing against its neighbor. China and north korea remain allies with a long history for weeks now Chinese State t. V. Has been glorifying chinas role in the korean war when the Peoples Liberation army fought on the north side against u. S. Forces in a war that started almost 70 years ago. Brown joins us now live from beijing everyone so we now know that she has touched down but there have been so few details shared so far about this visit what can we expect. Well i think its fair to assume that the Nuclear Issue is going to be one of the dominant themes in their negotiations of course both she and kim jong un have a vested interest in wanting the negotiations to restart kim jong un wants sanctions lifted on his regime and also i think president xi jinping as i mentioned in my report is looking for some way to play a constructive role in trying to revive the talks so that president from will give him something when they meet on the sidelines of the g. 20 summit in japan next week i