Responsibility for the death for the killing of jon 100 g. On the saudi rulers and theres a credible evidence that mohamed was a man himself has been involved was responsible so i think this will stay with him for a very very long time now nischelle thank you very much indeed to have this half hour Prayer Breakfast m P Boris Johnson extends his lead in the race to become u. K. s next Prime Minister. Sleek stylish and environmentally friendly well tell you about the race to make our sky is green. Hello there were seeing some cooler weather push its way across europe now its starting in the northwest and the leading edge of that is giving us some or all the violent thunderstorms as it makes its way through parts of france and through the British Isles thats also making its way up through sweden at the moment but its gradually edging its way eastwards so behind it then thats where the cooler air is force on thursday the already having reached just in zurich and then it pushes across beilin as well as of the temperatures here will tumble as we head into friday it is still going to be warm for now in warsaw but the thunderstorms are making their way across us on friday so then well see the weather begin to change and that line of thunderstorms still stretching down across the alps in the east is still hot and humid the still a lot of thunderstorms here for the west though it is a lot cooler i mean further towards the south and to some of us here were seeing a fair amount of cloud in that cloud could also be picking up a fair amount of dust as well so fairly murky at times for us in parts about syria and she knew that area of cloud is melting away those who by the time we get to friday theres less left to it the central belt of africa is where the majority of the showers are at the moment were seeing some parts of ethiopia also south sudan through uganda and stretching its way towards the west theres some around the bone and cameroon to. In a war torn city in iraq a magic documents the stories of the survivors recording bare hopes and dreams for a peaceful future after american troops withdrawal. But the conflict is far from over. He turns the camera on himself when i see take control and his family are forced to flee no where to hide a witness documentary on aljazeera. And one of the top stories here. A u. N. Investigator says saudi arabia is responsible for the murder of journalist. I just call for an International Investigation jane was killed in the saudi consulate in istanbul in october 27th. Investigators report says there is credible evidence that Saudi Crown Prince mohammed bin laden was involved in the murder and calls for the prince to be investigated and his personal assets sanctioned. U. S. Republican senator Lindsey Graham has hit out against the Saudi Crown Prince saying the u. S. Is not going to give who had been sound on a free pass to act as he pleases. Well heres where a lot of this is class ive been briefed by the agencies involved theres 0 doubt this was orchestrated by the n. B. A. s inner circle approved by him and with his knowledge and its part of the way he does business. 3 russians and a ukrainian will face murder charges for the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines flight m. H. 17 in 2014 the trial will begin in the netherlands next march right image 17 took off from amsterdam at 1031 g. M. T. Bound for quite a loop or it disappeared from radar in conflict hit ukraine using contact with air Traffic Control at 1320 g. M. T. About 30 miles from the Russia Ukraine border where its believed to have been shot down 298 passengers and crew were killed steadfast in reports from moscow. Nearly 5 years after flight m h 17 was brought down there are suspects arrest warrants and a trial date much to the relief of the relatives of those who died it was fear that was going to be impossible to bring anyone to justice as the plane came down in a war zone in Eastern Ukraine where investigators couldnt access the crash site the 3 russian suspects sergey dubin ski ego get in an all out pull out of all retired Russian Military and Intelligence Officers who investigators say had high ranking positions in the separatist army in Eastern Ukraine can create one of the forgotten for votes for the following suspects are prosecuted for causing the crash of a match 17 leading to the death of all people on board punishable under section 168 of the dutch criminal code and 2nd murdering 298 passengers of flight m. H. 70. Investigators say they wont ask for extradition because the constitution in russia and ukraine doesnt allow that but it will request both governments to hand over the summons to the suspects to go get in one of the suspects denies any involvement and says he wont testify in court immediately after his name and the names of 3 artists were released in the netherlands state media here in russia told the findings nonsense russia has always denied any involvement in downing the plane despite investigators finding that the folks anti aircraft missiles came from the 53rd and here mark myself brigade based in force in the west of russia. The downing of age 17 was the most deadly single incident in the war between Ukrainian Government forces and russian backed separatists which still continues to this day of the 298 people on board 196 came from the netherlands many of them going on a holiday. In Southeast Asia is the ceiling frederic hawks and who sold bruce and his girlfriend daisy were on board says she is relieved that someone is being held accountable its a start im satisfied with today there was to blame someone personally so yeah missa put it on the natl and has taken diplomatic measures against russia for not helping with the investigation i think its disgusting they deny everything they dont cooperate nothing investigators say did next step is to find a chain of command of those who ordered the book mistrial to be moved into Eastern Ukraine from russia they are not optimistic any of the suspects will it turn to trial in march next year step fasten aljazeera moscow 3 men have been found guilty of the armed siege on gristle university in kenya the men were charged with conspiracy to commit the attack and belonging to the somali based on Group Alshabaab 2 other accused have been acquitted 148 people mostly students were killed in the attack 4 years ago a gunman opened fire indiscriminately before freeing some Muslim Students and killing all those identified as christians they convict him and could get life in jail catherine soy has more from nairobi. This is a significant ruling in a case that many kenyans have been following closely for a couple of years the judgement itself has been postponed thrice the chief magistrate was supposed to give his verdict finally at 7 g. M. T. But he did not show up in court until 12 and when he did he said that well this is a very sensitive matter and it is because its the conclusion of the fast major case involving a terrorism incident and its going to set a precedent to other such related cases that are still in court so the ruling took about 2 hours with chief magistrate recounting the evidence that was presented before him and also hiring testimonies from witnesses who talked about what exactly happened on that day in february 25th teen and in conclusion he says that the prosecution has proved beyond reasonable doubt that 3 of their cues are guilty of committing a terrorist act and being members of a terrorist organization that is all Shabaab Group in somalia which has also carried out many attacks here in kenya and he has sent a set a sentencing date. Of july and the prosecutors have said theyre going to be seeking the maximum penalty which is life imprisonment there was some relatives of victims of that university attack in garrison of eastern kenya and we spoke to one mother in particular who was very distraught and who said that well this is good its all well and good but then it still doesnt give me the peace and the solace that i thought id get. The emir of kuwait is making his 1st state visit to iraq since saddam husseins forces invaded in 1996 about a sutta was met by iraqs president or oil minister and other senior officials is a rival in baghdad is being seen as a bit too low attention in the gulf iraq has close ties with both iran and the United States turkeys president wants egypt tried in the International Courts the death of the countrys only democratically elected president Mohamed Morsi but shipped better one pledge to do everything in his power to make sure justice is done hes calling on the organization of islamic cooperation to take action is also planning on raising the issue at the upcoming g. 20 summit mostly died or facing trial on espionage charges in egypt earlier this week Rights Groups say his poor treatment in prison contributed to his death opposition politicians in hong kong are pushing for a vote of no confidence against the citys leader kerry lamb a day after she apologized for trying to rush through changes to the extradition law members of the Legislative Council have met for the 1st time since huge protests forced the government to suspend the bill demonstrators say theyll keep flooding the streets until the extradition changes scrapped altogether and lam resigns sarah clarke has the latest from hong kong. This is the 1st time the list of council has resumes meetings since d the protests weve seen over the last couple of weekends the 2 mass rallies weve had which saw 2000000 people march in the streets on sunday of the pan democrats made a rowdy entrance they were wearing black they were Holding White flowers other holes are holding banners now they made this mornings debate all about the handling of the protesters by police theyve called on kerry lamb to resign over this is also a call for the security secretary to resign over the handling of the Excessive Force that they accuse the police of using on those protesters the soft and also those pan democrats the protestant groups they will raise in the Council Meetings a no confidence motion in carry land now this will be the 2nd no confidence motion in carry land there was one last month but she survived that motion simply because the government has the numbers that is expected by this afternoon now as for the protests and the next plans that the student groups have held a press Conference Today on wednesday theyve announced that the deadline for tomorrow night at 5 pm thursday 5 pm for the government to meet those demands which is number one for kerry lamb to resign and number 2 for this extradition treaty to be withdrawn if that deadline is that has not been met their call for action is for students and other prodemocracy groups to rally around the lips of the county building the government headquarters which is where we are now and that is for friday. South korea says it will send 50000 tons of rice aid to help north korea cope with a serious food shortage its the largest food a donation to u. N. Aid programs in north korea since 2008 but experts have warned millions of dollars are still needed to prevent malnutrition Food Production dropped significantly in north korea last year due to drought leaving 10000000. 00 people at risk of starvation. Sudans Ruling Military Council has called for unconditional talks with protest leaders. Have collapsed after a Paramilitary Group and watched a violent crackdown on protesters earlier this month killing at least 128. 00 people protest organizers have continued night time demonstrations since then demanding civilian rule they also want an International Investigation into the violence the resumption of Internet Services and all troops to be removed from cities before talks resume. Ontarios former Prime Minister ahmed who they are has been referred to the Supreme Court over corruption allegations the prosecutor also referred a current minister and 2 Foreign Ministers in an ongoing crackdown on the former ruling elite the measure as part of a series of investigations since protests broke out earlier this year former president of disease but if he was forced to resign in april but many protesters want his in a circle gone as well. First johnson has extended his lead in the race to lead the u. K. s conservative party and become Prime Minister in front running progress to tempe received 143. 00 votes in the latest ballot nearly 3 times the amount received by his closest rival new barca has more from westminster. After 3 rounds of voting now the contenders have gone from 5. 00 to 4. 00 the International Development secretary is out he was the only one of the 5 who believe that the heart breaks it date of october 31st wasnt on feasible goal describing it as a fairy story to try and imply to the british electorate that it would be possible the bad could happen on time. The way the focus is precisely on the remaining candidates all believe the brics it can be delivered at least by the end of the year Boris Johnson is saying that it is possible on time come what may with or without a deal and that uncompromising message seems to have gone down very well amongst his conservative party peers is also very much likely to go down well amongst conservative grass roots voters. The race for orders between boeing and airbus so the Paris Air Show took off on wednesday with air bus announcing a major deal for its new aircraft and theres another competition underway to produce a 1st a viable green planes reports. Stylish sleek and fully electric the evy asian prototype is a glimpse into the future and more environmentally friendly flying powered by batteries the 9 seats a plane on display at the paris a show would produce ciro Carbon Emissions and beechfield by sustainable sources the c. E. O. Of the israeli startup behind the plane says he could fly commercially by 2022 can we build an all electric 787 to compete with todays planes well absolutely none Battery Technology is not even close to that but to fly at this speed at this size and to beat those designs that are out there since the seventys or eightys well here it is this was build the way we believe planes in the 21st century should be electric planes could be a sustainable option for short flight split cutting c o 2. Emissions on medium and long haul travel is a bigger challenge aviation Officials Say that the Airline Industry is responsible for 2 percent of the worlds Carbon Emissions climate activists say that is nearer to 5 percent and one of the problems is that the technology needed to reduce the airlines Carbon Footprint is still out of reach some airlines are experimenting with hybrid technology and biofuels Nicholas Chavez company is working on a hybrid plane with the air boss the european plane maker aims to have an electric aircraft by 2035 years we are all committed to reduce by half 2050 our emissions and the Larger Companies such as ours are very interested to make sure that we can take the quickest way to access that dog but campaigners say the Aviation Industry isnt taking Climate Change seriously enough and continues to put profits before the planet. There are People Living around airports who can no longer stand the noise they will have to be listened to by making new quieter planes little by little change will come with pressure from society and from politicians in crystal the body there are nearly 100 fuel powered aircraft at the Paris Air Show a potent sign of how far the industry has to go to become more ecological but with the air passenger numbers expected to double in the next 2 decades theres a sense of urgency in the air Natasha Butler aljazeera paris. Among our top stories are hundreds are you an investigator on your skull or mass says saudi arabia is responsible for the murder of journalists. And has called for an International Investigation ashaji was killed and dismembered in the saudi consulate in istanbul in october 28th in his remains were never found the kind of mass report says there is credible evidence Saudi Crown Prince mohammed bin solomon was involved in the murder of course of the prince to be investigated and his personal assets sanctioned saudi arabia has dismissed the findings as baseless but a special investigator says the killing is an International Crime with universal jurisdiction when mr cashel loses consciousness there is not even some of the people the power there in the room attempting to take care of him attempting to rescue city came attempting to do something that to me points to the fact that the the notion that there is an accident that the next event happened that doesnt quite match what i have heard there is nor tempt to to do something and there is no scream saw our any expression of of fear over whats happening 3 russians and a ukrainian will face murder charges for the deaths of 298 people who were on board Malaysia Airlines flight m h 17 the plane was shot down in Eastern Ukraine in 2014 over territory held by pro russian separatists a dutch Led International team says the plane was hit by a Russian Missile the kremlin insists it is not to blame the trial will start in the netherlands next march or the russia is not expected to hand the suspects over. 3 men have been found guilty of the armed siege on gristle university in kenya the men were charged with conspiracy to commit the attack and with belonging to the somali based on the Group Alshabaab 2 other accused have been acquitted 148 people mostly students were killed in the attack 4 years ago and theres the headlines coming up does humanitarian aid have a white savior problem the stream is up next to us obviously if you cant i for now. I only give you that and youre in the stream how did an american missionary conduct medical work in uganda without any qualifications we discuss with our panelists whether some western volunteers are during war harm than good in the developing world i heard several dean the stream of course is driven by you are Online Community and today show the story of rene bach was pitched to us by mr vosa. Many of you said it would nice invention Freedom Foundation and your and you are. In a box traveled to uganda in 2007 when she was just 18 years old and founded serving his children a Nonprofit Organization she said what helped me abandon women care for ill and malnourished kids critics though say who had no experience in either Development Work or about a 7th perform complicated medical procedures on hundreds of units in 2015 ugandan authorities closed the groups facility in the town of jinja amid allegations of medical malpractise but the Organization Still operates in other parts of the country and box case has again highlighted the issue of voluntourism while raising questions of whether some charities in the developing world have a white savior problem Kelsey Neilson calls herself a white savior in recovery like rene she traveled to uganda at the young age and shared her story with us i had cofounded this n. G. With another young White American woman both of us were fresh out of undergraduate school and we both came from an evangelical background and had access to funding from our churches and from people in the Church Community so it was not that we were more qualified or that we were actually the best fit to be in charge or to be cofounding this but because we had the power and privilege to do so if theres anything that we as foreign nationals need to do moving forward it is to remain accountable to the people in the country in cultures where working in we need to be held accountable we need to own up when we make mistakes and we need to commit to doing better. A lawsuit brought against serving his children has been adjourned until january 2020 and joining us now from kampala to help unpack the story alas the livia patients is the cofounder of the education and Advocacy Group white saviors also in kampala beatrice is the legal officer with the womens Pro Bono Initiative a group working on behalf of 2 ugandan mothers who say their children were among the many reportedly died underbox care and in the u. S. State of illinois dr Noel Sullivan is a medical anthropologist and the stream did invite serving his children to participate in this conversation but the group said quote we are not commenting or responding to questions so welcome everyone to the program ill start here with the headline this from the news and then an ex an ordinary girl who said yes to an extraordinary god bedford native finds home in uganda and this came out september 26 2713 olivia for those who arent familiar with this story what stands out to you the most about her in a box story. I think thank you very much what stands out on this story is the fact that someone with no medical qualification would come to a country like uganda and treat our children and then relate to being a call from god this is soul dangerous and it is happening in india and in the missionary a wild as well it is it is all about god it is god who seeks people to africa and most of the time i ask myself this question when is god going to send the African People to america only part of europe to go on theres missions of this torrent is really striking to me because this woman knew very well she had no medical qualifications but she turned the ugandan children into. Bodies to experimenting on she did. She much as she is always saying the she sure want to be good for these children she would have gods sure aint a medical doctors to handle these huge and but even the fact that she was seeing them die she was nonstop being she was not stopping to do all this so this is source sure i king in my mind it gives me so many question. On what people who come to africa really take africans floor and also what comes to my mind is the people have ticket africa to be an experimental grounds what you can come and do anything and walk away and to go out without anyone holding you accountable this is a woman who is sitting really in the United States after committing such such things on our children but come to think of it if it was a black woman who went to the u. S. Only part of europe and did this theyll be in jail right now but because of the White Privilege that this woman. And i just feel that whatever she did was right and would do that that shouldnt of the be a strong start to this conversation so i want to bring in the voice. Another publication here and this is of renee who of course did not respond to our calls to appear on the show and speak for herself so this is a quote and what she says the allegations that over a 1000 children died under my care is absolute lies and allegations i cant rule out the fact that children died like they do die and anyhow facility but still its not true to say that i killed them so much right there beatrice what do we know about. Her patients and alleged victim. Thank you so much. Writes know. What i did find. A few. Particularly the fact that. Rainey. She did big to get me. If i may be called. To where people can go and get. People my kids and people what the fuck. All training or my saying to. Maybe trick me. To go to court in the bill we have them. Identify. You can see you know its interesting we have so many comments about this issue its obviously something people are very passionate about in fact on you tube live we have i think ethnic saying there are a lot of well meaning white folks in aid but aid keeps countries poor and its always funny how t. V. Commercials tell you a countrys poor but never mention why its poor colonialism and if i may dr know well i want to actually bring up a conversation that people are having online h. D. Flores trying to empathize perhaps with renee saying i believe the issue may be twofold renee bach may be guilty of practicing healthcare without a license and as such could be responsible for the unintended consequences number 2 of the group no white saviors are using this case to push the narrative white people only heard black people and forgive me for bringing this last tweet in but its interesting to see the response like its speaks volumes that you try to tone down what renee did hundreds of kids are dead and youre treating it like a mistake. Dr no im curious for your thoughts both on the idea of colonialism and how that might factor into the emotionality of this but also that debate that played out right there. So this is sort of indicative of the kinds of discourses that happen every time white savior complex is brought up in the media weve had a lot of really good examples of that over the last year and ultimately it ends up being a case where its about peoples Emotional Experience of feeling like theyre getting critiqued for Power Dynamics that they are complicit in but dont necessarily see how theyre complicit in and so in terms of colonialism for instance to respond to what was said thats very much a case of whats going on today in that a lot of the governments that are supporting different types of aid strategies theyre supporting things like hiv your malaria Reproductive Health but theyre never actually accountable. To the people theyre helping the people that are being helped dont have a say in the kinds of help that is being rendered and a lot of that aid has ended up undermining the Health Systems and Education Systems that theyre purporting to assist and the same is true of the ngo world so its a very valid critique in that the people that are supposed to be helped are not the people who get to have a real true say in terms of what kind of help is rendered and theres very little possibility to render accountability for any kinds of unintended consequences for the actions of Large Development organizations as well as individuals theres nothing new about people with no medical training going from the United States or canada or australia or other countries in europe or elsewhere even to go and help in hospitals or to go start their own clinics this is something that ive been researching since 2011 and its very common and theres a sense that the people that are going are are sort of socialized from an early age to think im supposed to give back i am supposed to help its my obligation but also later its my right to do that and then they go and oftentimes if theyre working side by side with. Professional certified professionals in the countries where theyre working they often un see that expertise that the people have in order to construct a narrative in which theyre the only ones available to help and we see that very clearly in renes case as well that other people werent helping they didnt have the ability to help so i stepped in even though i dont have those certifications so the idea of constructing a narrative of course is one that strikes a chord online before i dip into some of that we received a comment from a former employee of serving his children and he told a stream about the alleged practices that happened under rene box watch so have a look. By the time i was started walking got to talking these children. Some doctor. Trying to. Cluck shouldnt to prescribe. But syria used to go ahead and con so what doctors are prescribed. Because one at one point approach one of the doctor does look to you but one. Told me that you know. How the much is the room deals are the right so it would mean for them to go ahead and prescribe scene then flush the concert was on. That looked as well to the country. And for his safety and because he lives there he asked us not to show his face so he recorded that we use the audio from it so in it he says that rene would counsel what local doctors would prescribe and when other doctors were asked about this they said well a boss is a boss shes the boss what are you going to do so take a look here this via instagram good white person syndrome the persistent and insistent incessant need for us white people to prove that we are not a part of the problem does not deny our implicit role in perpetuating racism and White Supremacy this manifests itself in gaslighting white tears for gelati and the white savior complex and this is posted by your cofounder who we heard at the top of the show olivia tell seeing says im a resident white savior in recovery talk to us about this hash tag this account were going to get started. Well thank you very much. Theyre starting from ginger i grew up in ginger and ginger is like the epic center of lights to them theres some many white people in june just their love of ginger and because ginger is a quiet town anyone can do anything and just walk away and not one is going to really want to let you do so i walked. Alongside growing up in ginger i walked in to enjoy a large and ginger i worked with Kelsey Nelson engine jet and i saw so much happening in ginger i saw adoption i was still. So much that needed to unpack but then there was no way out would start happened you not discuss this a lot and so when i resigned from my job where i was walking and i resigned because there was this terrible wipes go out who was stripping your gun and sporty and i saw that there was no way i was going to walk with her and i was going to listen to whatever she was going to tell me so i quit my job and when i quit my job i stayed in contact with. Her with Kelsey Nelson and the other team members of the noise called sharon and we continued to discuss d. S. And i continued to point out that there was something going on and that wild needed to know and we needed to address see it so we started with conversations on facebook and then we started to hash tag no white saviors but everyone had their own to say because they had seen so much kelsey stayed for some time engine jet and she was part of this community at that time she was part of the problem thats why she stays white savior in recovery because she was part of the problem and sheer will still be part of this problem so this is how we came about with this hash tag and we say that the wild actually needs the truth of what happens in the end. All worlds because so many people walking in danger cannot save. Anything no one writes to the right judge and and i appreciate your passion and i just want to say that its being mirrored online you know i always love when people are commenting in real time in fact responding to what were saying on air h. D. Floras responding to both me and the earlier tweet i read saying im not treating it like a mistake if she practiced medicine without a license she did it intentionally and as such could be charged with medical malpractise but i want to bring in kind of a different angle to the conversation very quickly kyle William Marston who is very active in our community here at the stream charming in you know we asked a question on twitter do you think there is a way to be there on the ground and not exploit whats happening he says i sure hope so otherwise ive been part of the problem he goes on to say people need to be more aware of this is especially before they go abroad and this i found quite telling its hard not to feel like a rock star when you are the only white person in the 20 kilometer radius especially if youre there for a while which i dont know if you intended it that way but can be problematic in of itself and its just very interesting dr beatrice youre nodding but no im curious you know eddie on twitter saying look ive also been there i tried to be a solution but i was the White Privileged class ive never been the privileged class except when i was in africa i tried to assimilate i had empathy i had many great experiences and i had a return ticket back to where i came from so obviously being aware and being candid and honest is important but what else is important in solving this. Well i think just taking away the ownership from the people that are going there to supposedly save people that they know nothing about and instead i think theres a lot of things that could be done but i find that when people go they tend to really favor the kind of assistance that they can provide with their own 2 hands and to realize with some humility that thats not necessarily the most appropriate or helpful thing and if you dont actually have certified professional skills that are being demanded or asked for by the community that you might be part of the problem despite your intentions so what i tell people is you know good intentions are step one of a multistep process and step 2 should always be to try to talk to people in the community to find out what it is that theyre trying to achieve for themselves what are their goals how many ask how you can assist and realize the assistance you can render may not be with your own 2 hands it might actually be about mobilizing resources including monetary resources or other types of capacities to be able to assist with the stated needs of the communities where youre working and if youre not doing that then it might be part of the problem and that could potentially cause harm and a lot of the harm thats rendered those people that go on short term visits never understand because they dont stay long enough to see the long term repercussions of what they do i want to make clear that of course this is not just one story this is not just about rene bach there and as you mentioned earlier a doctor all you said this is nothing new so i want to share with our audience how not do this really is so this in nairobi news american man claims innocence on charges of molesting orphaned kenyan girls thats one story there this from the Washington Post an american pastor reportedly gave miracle water to ugandans it was bleak the embassy actually weighed in on that u. S. Mission in uganda the u. S. Mission is aware of reports that an american pastor based remotely is distributing a substance called. Miracle mineral solution to churches in uganda we strongly condemn the distribution of the substance which is extremely dangerous and is not a cure for any disease so of course were talking about individuals here a living but we got this tweet from always somewhere who says i hope unicef unicef teeth un human rights and the scene human rights what all take note of it so were talking about individuals but what is the role of big aid in this. I think. Actually the role of big aid in this is that. We see this was the breakdown of aid when it comes to africa and this in most cases this aid comes with Strings Attached if a Big Organization is trying to help on a mission in africa there will create theyll create positions theyll create positions for their people even when they know all that this person is not heat not that is how aids now is dangerous when it comes here it is not targeting the employment of law close but it is looking that theyre all in who own the top down the top positions and when it comes to ugandans they have to scope the law positions and they have to be paid. A wage that is not equivalent to that of the expatriates but when you come to think of the expect its what. That youve got going to let you actually International Study not do. You know so when we look at aved. Aid flowing into uganda well into any possible africa theres always some Strings Attached under snow only state look at its not just coming now it has been duffel edges we had recently unaccounted with comic relief when they sent a british celebrity to uganda she took pictures with this child that she didnt know about and comic relief last night the allegation about that goat that david male flew in uganda and went to this family and got the facts you know and then later it comes out that she didnt have any connection but because uganda needs the aids anyone can walk here take a picture and go away and no one is going to talk about it right because we need the aids right dont we well look at the way this aid comes in wont you know just hearing you say that olivia youre saying we need to aid in the mentality obviously is important to analyze and look at on both sides of this equation are all sides i should say and syfy so sunny on twitter saying our governments are allowing this nonsense because they still believe in this white Savior Mentality this ngo are using our people to enrich themselves we also have a video comment come in that was very interesting kind of. You know focusing on a different angle in terms of not necessarily defending n. G. O. S and big aid in general but have a listen to what was said well talk on the other side. Its important to recognize that in many places where National Governments lack the capacity to address the urgent healthcare needs n. G. O. S plea an absolutely vital role in filling those gaps and while its difficult to generalize about them because of disparities in terms of their capabilities or or their agendas most are stuffed by highly qualified professionals many of whom are volunteers and theyre expected to adhere to International Norms and codes of conduct the humanitarian sector has taken steps to professionalize work to improve accountability but these sorts of cases just highlight how much there is yet to be done now well that was a doctor from ireland im just curious your thoughts on that perspective. Well i think hes got a really important point to make but on the flip side i think that olivia made a really important point that sort of general as well with that one which is that its not just that the governments hes talking about filling a gap that the ngos are filling a gap but at what point do the n. G. O. S also have an obligation to actually bolster the capacity of the Health Systems in the places where they work and the other thing that most people dont realize about the aid sector is that n. G. O. S coming in as well as bilateral donors a lot of times they get Tax Exemptions in the countries where theyre working so while you may actually have qualified ugandan or or other professionals that are able to work in that capacity those folks also pay taxes which helps to provide revenue for the government to bolster those systems and theyre supposed to be at how to run their people and if theyre not just their swords are responsible for holding their governments accountable theres no accountability for an ngo sector that isnt necessarily doing that or maybe duplicating a replicating network and we have decades of Research Demonstrating accountability duplications and accountability is always a problem. I want to bring bitches because we reconnected on the phone very quickly beatrice i pulled up this here woman sued over death of babies thinking qualification of course that is rene where is the lawsuit now in just about a sentence or 2. Yes that is in the high court of jinja and it is absolute here england 25 january 2020 right now we are into stages of that suit where we are responding to the 2 to the replaced it given to us buyers are responding and they have been very hard to you to send us their responses to. And we believe that by the 2020 you to be hiding out fully and everyone will get mange one. Of your patients and dr Noel Sullivan thank you so much for joining us. Thats all the time we have for todays discussion but thanks of Course Community for pitching this and keep the conversation going online following us on twitter we are at a. J. Stream. They wanted 3000000000. 00 pounds with a weapon that was 6000000000. 00 in commission. Theres no hope of any more because theres always a small. Really really good business. In essence in the United States have privatized the old Public Function more shadow on aljazeera. Running 6 continents across the. Aljazeera is correspondent. The story. Of a. Young. Were at the mercy of the russian camp or Palestinian Group al jazeera. World news. Aljazeera world to meet some extraordinary women. Who are making things happen the way. Following their daily struggle to survive. For their families to thrive. Egypt swimmin street sellers on aljazeera. How about im going to stay in london with the top stories on aljazeera saudi arabia is responsible for the murder of the journal. And the Saudi Crown Prince should be investigated by the his role as according to the un special rapporteur agnes kalama has released a damning report into the killing of a sheltie in istanbul last year early in this calum are told aljazeera about what she heard on recordings from inside the saudi consulate. The recordings needs to be interpreted they do not tell a very straightforward story. What was done to ease body i cannot deduct. I have a home and i can infer from the sound that something was done based on the technique or. Knowledge of the various people i have consented it is well possible that mr cashel game was 1st put that he was 1st injected with something and then that he was actually asphyxiated weezer plastic bag this is the possibility the nature and the extent of the dismemberment of these bodied these i cannot comment upon its not possible allow me to add one thing when at his 1st as a recording is concerned that i have when mr cashel loses consciousness there is not even some of the people that are there in the room attempting to take care of him the tempting to recitative him attempting to do something that to me points to the fact that the notion that there is an accident that the next you dont happen doesnt quite match what i have heard there is nor tempt to have to do something and there is no scream so or. Any expression of of fear over what is happening do you think that there is any one to day who knows where the remains of Jamal Khashoggi are or yes absolutely and who think that he for that where in the room the people there disposed of the body. Do you know when they are there where 15 individuals involved in that mission do you think the saudi leadership knows where the remains are i dont know i mean ninoy between b. I will just make a guess sara so i really dont want to arm to suggest this is not something i have tried to or determine ok youll be presenting this column are this report i understand on june 26th to the u. N. Human Rights Council which saudi arabia is a member of what do you think is going to happen what do you hope will happen now that youve released this report you know my report makes a friend of recommendations including to saudi arabia as a special rapporteur i am committed to establishing constructive relationship preserve the governments that i work with i have attempted to work with saudi arabia for the last 6 months of not shown an interest in doing so or my reporting producer ranter of recommendations including with regard to the ongoing trial including with regard to. Take to demonstrate non repetition which is a from them and told dimension of their responsibilities given that they have established that the responsibility of the state is involved in other news 3 russians and ukrainians will face murder charges for the deaths of 298 people who were on board Malaysia Airlines flight m h 17 the plane was shot down in Eastern Ukraine in 2014 over territory held by pro russian separatists the trial will start in the netherlands next march with a russia is not expected to hand over the suspects. And 3 men have been found guilty of the armed siege on girl received diversity in kenya the men were charged with conspiracy to commit the attack and belonging to the somali based on Group Alshabaab 2 other accused have been acquitted and those the latest headlines here on aljazeera day stay with us coming up next witness. It in the and pain. And they know what how can one get any. 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