Only democratically elected president dies in court and is swiftly buried by the government that depends 10 what is Mohammed Morsi is legacy and have hopes for democracy in egypt died with this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program im dennis Mohamed Morsi died in court on monday whilst all of you in his defense against charges that many believed were trumped up just to keep him in jail he was 67 and not in good health he needed regular medication that his family and others said he was often denied during his 6 years in detention his term in office was brief barely a year but he insisted he was egypts the jessamine president right up until he died and as rory chalons now reports most his time in office was characterized by optimism which quickly turned to frustration. Mohamed morsi sailed into the presidency of egypt on the winds of a peoples revolution demanding change in 2012 he became egypts 1st ever democratically elected president the 1st civilian to hold the office morsi was born in 1951 he spent his adult life 1st as an engineering professor then as a member of parliament and a political prisoner the egyptian revolution in 2011 set the stage for morsi to reach the pinnacle of power from the start his critics accused him of placing his allegiance with the Muslim Brotherhood and not the country morsi made a point of repeatedly promising to be a president for all egyptians his opponents however claim he tried to consolidate his power by giving himself for thora see above the judiciary and dominating the government with Muslim Brotherhood members. Morsi said his actions were to combat counter revolutionary forces led by the socalled deep state that wanted to kill egypts nascent democracy those forces included members of the military as well as regional powers namely the u. A. E. And saudi arabia who were vehemently opposed to the arab spring in june 23rd seen in scenes reminiscent of the revolution huge crowds of egyptians filled square calling for their president to step down it was a culmination of the town hall Rebel Campaign a movement which was born a few months prior and was later revealed to have been supported by abu dhabi morsi supporters took to the streets to which emboldened him and he refused to step down instead he made an offer of National Reconciliation including forming a new government of technocrats that offer was rejected by the army which days later deposed him ending egypts historic but brief experiment with democracy stripped of the title of president morsi swiftly became a political prisoner once again he was ultimately tried and sentenced to death for allegedly working with Foreign Armed groups and crossing a mass jailbreak when guards or killed. Numerous human Rights Groups as well as british parliamentarians and his family complained of intentional medical neglect and warns that morsi is imprisonment conditions would lead to his death if not improved to the end morsi was defiant rejecting the course or thorough and insisting he was the legitimate president of egypt elected by the people. All right lets introduce our panel now in london we have. Head of the Egyptian Revolutionary Council thats an Opposition Group in chicago we have mohammed oktar a political consultant and founder of the firm insight into crisis in beirut we have rami curry senior fellow at the is am far is institute for Public Policy at the American University of beirut welcome to you all marlin we come to you 1st in london and just wonder what your thoughts are today is this a mentor this moment in the modern history of egypt. Its a tragic moment its a tragic moment for those who supported and elected the president and even those who are opposed to him but believe in democracy for egypt and for the region this is a man who was the 1st elected civilian president in egypts history he was in power for less than a year and all the forces of the deep state and the military and regional calls worked against him they wanted to ensure the defeat of the democratic experiment in egypt and what weve seen is a mans health deteriorate in the presence of a tyrant as those of others to die a slow death at the hands of the military regime hes not the 1st of the political dissidents to die but he is certainly the most prominent and the silence of the International Community bodes very ill in terms of this particular moment all right it is a state in crisis as a state in crisis and the death of the president at the hands of the military regime is a turning point mohammed and what do you think on this particular day is as the egyptian authorities are accused of of intentional medical neglect that has led to the death perhaps at least allegedly of Mohammed Morsy well certainly that was a deliberate attempt to kill him slowly over the last 5 or 6 years or he had been deprived of medical care and his family have demanded the medical access a few times we had recently a couple of years ago. And member of the parliament in the u. K. Mr president blunt had made a require e and he had asked for access to dr morsi and to provide him with medical care is clearly in violation of International Standards and. Prisons. 1st im on a standard which i have access to and have been systematic and havent happened before to any former president in egypt and then when we look at other detainees across egypt the political detainees that many of them have died in jail of course the exact circumstances the lack of medical care and medical access and lack of access in general the human rights organizations and the tyrannies todays detainees all right now lets go to rami and rami curry remind us if you will briefly all of the huge amount of optimism in 2011 after the removal of Hosni Mubarak after more than 30 years in office the removal of this key figure in egyptian history and that as i say the optimism that brought about elections and Mohamed Morsi to power the optimism of 2011 was enormous because the symbolism was enormous egypt was the 1st state in 1052 to have a proper fully military government running the country and taken control of all executive power and held onto that power from 152. 00 till 2011 so much is election and it really was a very close election that was what was extraordinary about it he beat her which i feed by i think 5125051249 extension 8 was just a very very close election which is unheard of in the arab world and very welcome but the removal of the military regime at least temporarily and a civilian elected president in a genuine election was such an enormous symbolic move forward for people all across the arab world because egypt was such and remain such a powerful influencer of events throughout the arab. And some people thought this was the beginning of a regional wave of gradual democrat eyes ation the mistakes that happened showed up afterwards and the revenge action of the military and the deep state and the arab gulf countries and others all showed up later but at that moment january to april 2011 it was a moment of extraordinary hope and deep human expression of revival of basic human sentiments by citizens who could feel they were actual full human beings allowed to use all their brain not just half of it and to live a life of dignity as citizens of a state right around the same are coming back to remembering those days heavy days of of revolution having achieved an awful lot it started to go wrong pretty quickly didnt it as weve already said movie was only in power for barely a year where did he go wrong fundamentally fundamentally was his 1st big mistake i think it was the challenges that confronted him you had a military state that had been in existence since 952 you had a judicial system that was essentially in one way or another an arm of the military and became increasingly so since the call you had you had business interests that were worried about the the fight against corruption you had president 40 sources saying in october that he is going to have. Ensured that taxation is. Is fairly carried out against even the rich and the big corns you had essentially a man who was going to get to 2 to get under way and Anti Corruption campaign so i would rather focus and i think it is only fair to. The focus on the challenges against him you hadnt made it a that had taken all the right that was worried that it was going to be held accountable right so essentially from day one day one the odds were against right a man mohamed sonars told us and about the elites if you like the elite vested Interest Groups that were completely. Rocked by the prospect of the other of the morsy civilian led government but what about the people because by june 2030 the people were coming out old to the streets and demanding change almost in as large a number as they were in order to demand the removal of Hosni Mubarak what happened there well it has been a Systematic Campaign by the military from day one and one and after of president morsi took power to harm his image and to harm the of aleutian image and also to harm the democratic process and midge there have been manufacturing and manufacturing of crises Food Shortages gash or to date and and also Security Issues so many sign are. You suggesting that these were manufactured crises that the movie government didnt make mistakes didnt a d. N. A. To many people im not saying they dont make mistakes but i was in cairo during the time and ive seen the crises and i know i was completely aware of it and it was mostly i manufactured by someone who why a 6 months before dick too and uprising in june and 30 years there were pictures of general sisi everywhere in cairo for 30 on them in parade years and in Tahrir Square if we want to go back and talk about the mistakes of president morsi he was a poor communicator and he did not communicate properly with the people that communicate with his religious. Anguish that most of the people did not understand or appreciate he did not communicate well with many of his advisors and many of them who had and the 1st 6 months in office and his decrees of the talk about the knesset use not decree. He issued in october of 2012 it was extremely disturbing to even to many of people who were supporting him if he had communicated better before issuing that constitutional decree many people including myself or could have been were receipt of of his position and his understanding of the crisis at that point on a not level people really wanted a leader that govern based on the revolution principles and not based on the ballot box bruce the balls that have been a rush into the governing by the ballot box and ignoring the revolution had not been cemented yet all right mohammed let me jump in there come to you in a moment 1st of all lets go to romney though and just try and can text your life some of this because from what were hearing there were a range of forces well established forces which were against any civilian government be it be it morsi or anybody else civilian government but he has been accused of prioritizing his Party Affiliation with the Muslim Brotherhood over and above political if you at political outreach of not bringing in other voices other opposition voices within his government. He has thats correct and he was not the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood he was a you know relatively Senior Member but he wasnt really a very charismatic or. Powerful leader he was brought in at the end because the people that the muslim brothers wanted to run were not allowed to run so they picked him out and he turned out to be at the personal level a little bit bland and not so charismatic but the real problem that they had was that the muslim brothers not only in egypt but in every single arab country with the possible exception of tunisia where they either controlled or shared power significantly proved to be politically incompetent they just did not know how to exercise power they were comfortable in the opposition and very effective in their opposition they didnt know what they were doing when they were incumbents and this happened all over the middle east and yemen and jordan and kuwait and in sudan and and then in egypt so thats the deeper problem they just didnt know how to govern they werent ready to govern they didnt know how to mobilize the enormous goodwill that they had and this unbelievable asset of being the only ever truly independently legitimately elected government that had the consent of the governed of the of herself determinant citizenry in an arab country mean that was an enormous basket of assets and they just blew it they didnt know what to do with it and they started appointing all kinds of people on to constitutional committees and positions and and then of course there was all the action by the state and the army and other people against them to make the greater problems and the campaign to then get them out and then of course he didnt know how to deal that it was a combination of their own weaknesses and the campaign against them which just accentuated the fact that they really werent ready to govern and but the suit they have generally has in the sudanese are learning these lesson absolutely id like a nice night to come back here. Point rami id like to come back to that point thats hugely relevant is there but martha so weve heard about the challenges and it was a fairly sort of inhospitable Political Landscape then for Mohammed Morsi and his government but what it did ignite it seems to me is a fire a passion a desire among the egyptian people for a pluralistic civilian government with Civil Liberties where is that fire and that passion gone now has it has it been extinguished. I think we would i need to contest a little bit what has been said in order to explain where that. Old dream of a civilian state a pluralistic civilian state is going. President morsi faced ringback the sort of all odds that any civilian president would have faced whether he was from the brotherhood or otherwise he did reach out to various political groups and individuals who are more worried about the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood would have a hold on egypt than over the issue that he was the elected president of egypt so from day one president morsi faced the challenges we spoke about i think he did speak to the people and again i contest the idea that he spoke only in a religious language theres a serious member and ive got no his speeches well that he spoke to the people directly and we speak about a population the majority of which is muslim and which can relate to this direct and simple language president morsi was a man who was honest and was steadfast in his beliefs and that appeal to many egyptians i think the odds as i said were stacked against him because we have a military regime like others in the region and others that we saw in south america that taken long time to crumble around this with this is only the 1st phase of the struggle against them for a Civil Society a Pluralistic Society was one that we saw in 2012 those were the 1st steps it was undermined by regional powers by the interests of israel and by not only the deep state but egyptian liberals and democrats who also did not stand by the president i hope that also all these forces have the lesson and know that democracy should should be respected and the. Well of the people whatever the decision is should have been respected and all should have stood together to protect egypts democracy right and the price were paying today in egypt is a price paid by all not only members of the muslim writer so mohammed now what we seem to be witnessing in egypt is an ever more hardline authoritarian regime the the very few number of freedoms that were enjoyed by people under the mubarak regime that see they seem to be shrinking the political space is virtually nonexistent and the number of of people being imprisoned for holding alternative views is rising almost by the month not to mention the closing down pretty much of independent media do you think therefore that egyptians have got the stomach for another fight or they got the stomach to take home the status quo and fight for their freedom again. Well i mean the military dictatorship is doing what it does best which is killing people presuming them and torturing them and we have seen that on a massive scale in egypt over the last 6 years that we havent seen in egypt before mother egyptian history even during the dictatorship of president nasr and this has been a buffer against the people of prising again and there is a fatigue in cairo and elsewhere for an uprising and the military apparatus and the Security Apparatus have been cracking down severely on anyone who attempts to do any kind of dissent or opposition demonstration across cairo and labeled them to arrest and we see in the liquidation. Assess a nation of multiple members of the opposition claimed to be terrorists there was arent any proof and investigation amount and so this is all a quite a hurdle for an hour. Rising again is the dictatorship and unfortunately the western powers are still doing what they do best which are basically providing weapons and arms to a dictatorship and making deals with. A goddess of love the people want and this is going to affect everyone in the region not just in egypt but in the region and also in and europe as well cry of destabilisation as happened in egypt but Going Forward there are some civilian forces were trying to regroup and trying to do here and observation again political opposition again is a common regime internally and overseas and we hope that in the near future that will be fruitful somehow again as the source of your situation right and ramey the the egypt example is preferred he must to be a blueprint for the region and a ul you mentioned here and sit down it is exactly what has happened in egypt that they are trying to avoid and as weve seen from the sit in outside Army Headquarters in call to the way that was brutally dispersed were seeing eerie echoes arent we rather in all specialise echoes of what has gone before in egypt we are at and the specific instances you mentioned were seeing there but theres something very important to grasp about how egypt the life short and come and see and death are from hamad morsi how this symbolizes what is happening all over the region with the cracking down on freedom of expression people being and they didnt put in jail arrested for tweeting things closing down of Civil Liberties and. People governments using their military power to attack anywhere they want in the region so you get some people like the u. A. E. And the saudis and the egyptians theyre involved in libya theyre involved in yemen. Sudanese are involved in lemon yemen or word of it they still are to an extent so that theres a general regression into a kind of authoritarian militarism and autocracy that is widespread across much of the arab world it is almost. Explicitly and directly supported by Major International powers and you see it in the very low key reaction now in the arab world to the to the morsi assassinated to the morsi death that there is a general deterioration across the region and ordinary citizens as as you have asked muhammad ordinary citizens can do very much if they stand up in public theyre going to get arrested or killed or tortured or have to flee so most people have learned that it is not worth paying giving up your life to make a gesture thats not going to have any political impact because the the regime and its supporters are so powerful and so brutal right when they want to be so we have to wait a little bit to see the reactions that will will happen down the road and of their actions going to come when the Egyptian Government simply cannot maintain the basic Economic Daily livelihoods of the majority of the 100000000 egyptians and the system will snap at some point if its not dealt with before and a rami can i stick with you and ask you for a really really brief reply and that is what we do see now is the Firm Establishment of what i suppose you could kula a kind of a counter revolution we try the. Saudi arabia United Arab Emirates and egypt who seem determined to quell any any including the Democratic Values are going to take a hold in any of the regional countries. Weve seen this happening and it was the election of morsi the that actually triggered this when the and the so it is so this they really got scared they saw muslim brothers winning democratic elections and they just couldnt handle it they saw the liberal media continued to expand luxuries here and others around the region they saw the west talking to the iranians so it was that moment that triggered the counterrevolutionary counter Democratic Forces to Work Together and they are also being assisted by the israelis by the United States by european powers and other so its more than just a troika this is a real problem of a growing authoritarian militarism and brutality that is crushing the rights on the hopes of ordinary citizens at some point the ordinary citizens are going to fight back but well have to wait and see thank you very much indeed maha azzam in london mohammed in chicago and rami curry of coolth in beirut thank you very much indeed thank you for watching the program you can see it again any time you like it by going to the website aljazeera dot com if you want more discussion remember theres a Facebook Page at facebook dot com for slash a. 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