And i think also if you take a snapshot of whats going on right now in the area you would see an increased naval presence without this being organized less convoys for example but if you go back in history back in the late eightys when iran and iraq were fighting a war and attacking each other shipping we saw that quite moisten close escorting up was indeed being and it carried out i think also British Naval vessels so it is a potential scenario and im that of course if that is jason is. Will worsen even more than what we see now thats certainly something that the shipping would appreciate in if the situation does worse and one of the scenarios is of course that the strait of hormuz is closed entirely whats it implications would that be if that happened. To close the strait of hormuz entirely is impossible for for example a country like iran and that would be my assessment but i think it would be difficult to keep it closed for a sustained period of time if its would immediately be taken to joe open it up again and what were seeing now is so assumption on us they hold back a little bit they are nervous going into the area and some of the ships not true to go in and of course if the situation worsens more people in us will probably be the tempted to do the same and that would be problematic of course for all for all the oil prices and the up off the overall Global Economic development r. J. Could listen to a great get your perspective on this depreciate that thanks very much thank you. Well plenty more still ahead on the news hour including another waiver extension for iraq which many a worried for its Energy Supply when the u. S. Finally calls time on trade with iran. And if they did why not have a saint who can intercede on behalf of all the hopeless cases in mexico. As sending out press to stop gentrification a seemingly hopeless last ditch efforts underway in mexico city. Thats coming up to cause a shock for argentina at the hands of colombia in the upper america son of a hot potato. Now sudans former president could be brought before a court as early as next week the chief Prosecutor Says that bashir will be referred for trial unless he files an appeal in the next few days the former leader is facing corruption charges he was into posed by the military in april after weeks of protests against his rule and his government. Where the deputy head of sudans military council has denied reports that the Transitional Council is not willing to talk to opposition leaders pushing for a civilian run government and again im gone but at the not in doubt it was you know one anyone who tells you that we ended thread zisha all military council are refusing to negotiate is line we are the ones who want to resume to talks but based on your conditions. We get our power from you and you only theres no other one we can count on but let me say it again were not rejecting the resumption of negotiations its the other side. Well join us on set is why lead to maybe by whos founder and president of the sudan a policy forum just a medieval welcome to the program and lets start with these these Legal Processes that are apparently underway now in the suit against the former president you satisfied that they could work. I think its just an attempt by the ruling gone to deflect attention from the pressure thats being exercised again his then by the African Union moreover it was applauded by the high delegate mr nigeria from the us i think. Having suspended so down from the activities from the continent to the activities of the African Union is a serious manner is a serious matter and i think that they are just trying to deflect attention from from the massacre that was committed on june 5th ok well come to that in just a 2nd but as far as the Legal Process is concerned. Can you just clear something up for us so the chief Prosecutor Says the pressure will be referred for trial in less he files an appeal in the next few days just explain how that works and what that actually means because normally youd expect to appeal against a judgment. Its just the whole process is not independent and its not credible because i mean its just if we get to understand the politics of the region itself its the same body deemed the same ruling its just that the islamists especially the politicians were kicked out and its the military officers who took over so its its just theyre just being been victims and theyre just going to trying to squint again is another group. Im not a legal a few days myself. But i think theyre just going to drag their feet especially if you know that on one of bashir is wanted in the i. C. C. So rather than taking him to court for having killed or influence the killing of half a 1000000 human beings you are taking him to court for having embezzled of all 70000000. Dollars and guess who gets what the people who are in charge of their legal case like i built up. Some. 200000000. 00 where they found in their own houses so the whole process is not credible its not its not independent so i cant find. A scientific way or a legal way by which to judge this process im writing he would never be brought to court people would never see on the way to very bad sort of way it stands right now so what about the deputy head of sudans military council denying reports that the Transitional Council is not willing to sit down and talk to opposition leaders pushing for this civilian run government. I mean he hes just trying to lead you to meet himself using some tribal chieftains some Software Leader and he himself is not restricting himself to his position as an officer i mean if you look at the governing that he is bringing about every now and then he he himself is trying to play a political role and there isnt a single act that was sticking by the transition and military council which they is that they are c. D. s about any democratic transition i mean there are very clear points that were asked of them i mean this whole issue of internet connectivity. I mean. Taking c. D. s actions to investigating the perpetrators of the criminal act or the mass exodus if those 2 things happened if those 2 things happened you would say that would demonstrate a willingness to move forward to a democratic transition then negotiate the negotiates negotiated themselves i mean People Forces of freedom and healing will get the signal that these people are c. D. s about the democratic transition but you cant be speaking about the democratic transition why you are just trying to say the convent this whole Legal Process of investigating the killing of some 114 civilians all right well leave it there fascinating talking to relieve thanks very much indeed for your perspective your time thank you thank you. Well hundreds of sudanese nationals have protested in london calling for sudans Ruling Military Council to step down theyre demanding that governments including saudi arabia end their support for sudans military leaders and that self to more than 100 people were killed in a crackdown on a rally in khartoum earlier this month that we were just discussing. Was running. Well this is the 1st stage of a protest has brought hundreds of sudanese nationals onto the streets of london hey were outside the United Arab Emirates embassy thats one of the governments but the protesters accuser propping up the military rulers in the hard to miss a lot of anger but theres also a lot of solidarity being expressed they fear coming out of that of only because they feel you know fascinating they fear of being killed by so many places a woman here and raise i think have been with my on the last day of them that if youre a young saudi arabia are donating to see 1000000 dollar bill they are military counsel hunt who gentile onto the show he and then militia and these are the people now standing against the will of the people. Who during the process we got the news that the chief prosecutor in sudan had announced for the president bush who was to stand trial i hate big open the gates dozens of other former government officials so we took the chance to ask some people here what they made about. The cattlemen this case public doesnt see what was the size of the funny guess thats whats always this is like the never do anything and the machine no. See if any c. D. s like c. D. s actually going to get a cd. But after passing by the Egyptian Embassy the protesters have now ended up outside the embassy of saudi arabia another country that they calling on to stop supporting those in power in a cartoon and while back home theres a crackdown on protests these people see it as their responsibility to carry on what theyre calling their revolution a vigil was held on saturday in malis capital following a. As of deadly violence between communities the International Criminal court is investigating allegations of crimes against humanity and the president to mali is under increasing pressure to deliver on his promise for peace it was hard because more now from the capital bamako. Theyve come to this open air slaughter house to escape death. Still vivid is the smell of burnt flesh. Baria full on the lost his father. It doggone lost his son. They said im a light in front of my eyes. Going accuse fall on the sinful armies blame doggoned see each community accusing the other for the killings in attacks on their villages along with the harm done to them we can never go home its not safe anymore. This is what is left of berries home full only say doggone hunters were behind the attack. Last sunday hundreds of dawn died in what appears to be retaliatory killings while the International Criminal court investigates what may constitute crimes against humanity hundreds of thousands of people are fleeing the center of mali turning this meat market into a makeshift camp. And fall on these have come to the capital bamako not just to escape the violence but to be closer to a government that has failed to protect them in their villages and they hope that here. Can deliver on its promise to bring back peace. Want unity and yes despite the support of 20000. 00 u. N. In foreign troops the president seems unable to bring the country together. Hes facing mounting protests with calls for his resignation including from the influential cleric. Leading the demonstrations. General says the president is my friend but i will continue to denounce his governance people from the north the armed groups the people fighting against each other were all volumes we need to promote dialogue bring an end to the violence thats turning into a senseless war. It is a country in crisis deeply divided with each Community Mourning their dead unable to break the cycle of revenge well lets speak to. Hes standing by for us in bamako given the historic tribal and the seas its difficult to see how this. Cycle of revenge as you put it is possible to be broken and to how its feasible to create this landscape thats required. Thats the challenge for the government to try to get these different ethnic groups that once lived peacefully together back on the table and 2 and 2 and to stop this violence i mean were talking about multiple ethnic groups and you know today. Communal attacks are happening in the center of the country. But over the weekend theres been several attacks in the medicare region which is a region in the north where there are large swath of lands and regions that the government has no control over over there armed groups are in control armed groups that are that are often associated to various ethnic groups so its a real challenge for them in government to try to find peace given the circumstances. This weekend Security Forces say that they have in their words neutralize 20 members of armed groups in the region of medicare and a joint operation with the French Forces its a small victory in what seems to be an endless conflict in mali and it is connected to this to the this endless conflict as you put it between the farmers in the. Well absolutely i mean we spoke to one of the salami leaders in that region of mecca he says that at least 40 full lonnies that were members of these armed groups were killed. In this operation so much more than the 20 that the money and forces mentioned remember back in 2017 its in that region that the Group Islamic state in the greater sahara claimed responsibility over the ambush of American Special forces in special forces i mean this is a conflict that spreading beyond the borders of mali affecting these areas where the full on the population live and so because the full lonnies are not getting the protection that they need they say from their respective states whether. Or so they go to these armed groups like the salami state in the greater sahara for protection just this weekend. The. Communication branch of. State. Mentioned that several groups that are active in mali burkina faso unusual again swore allegiance to. Really reinforcing the strength of the state in the greater sahar that has really claimed the responsiblity of numerous attacks in the region just not in mali but also in brick enough fuss and of course in this intercommunal violence that were seeing in most keith no one has claimed responsibility for it but with the do go on leaders that we spoke to they point the finger to these groups saying that they are exacerbating the situation and that the government is doing nothing about it nic thanks very much physical courage take you straight away to libya where the Prime Minister. Is speaking lets listen in message. Of these pleased despite the hardships with over the past 2 years the government of national up. Or was pulling that solution lies in dialogue among the people of libya it is the only route to exit this crisis thats why we have been working at a number of fronts met with a number of people from all walks of life from different slices of society we are calling for peace and accord and yet when the pleasure and aggression was launched we never hesitated to. Defend our capital and the 7 states we all aspire to. The foundation of which were laid down by the february revolution we are all confidence of the ability of our people to stand up and do it to feel the pleasure and aggression which aims at undermining democracy subverting our efforts towards establishing a civil state thats what we have taken all the measures in this century to supporting our National Army and revolutionary fighters and by the grace of god we were on victory and we have proven to the whole world of. The volcano frat operation was a success. Despite this was clear to each the diligent aggressive were adamant to continue with aggression. Everyone with this is that we have reached positive results domestically and internationally including the security measures we stepped list in tripoli and other cities which have contributed largely to reestablish an order and very functioning of the military and security establishments we also. Have defeated the ice in certain other places as a result of this occur feiss by the honest men also with a supporter in collaboration with other friendly state such collaboration still stands we will never spare any efforts until we eradicate this epidemic despite the hardships and obstacles. And we can see the science of recovery through the economic reform plans based on harmony of the monetary financial commercial plans besh an illustration of spending and supporting the national oil establishment. We are all aware that we are about to have the all inclusive congress yet the aggression was meant to undermine our efforts and create a status quo and also subvert the will. Of the people however we have told them. Grave lessons. And. A petition as a National Army was real when they thought there would have been had a big walking into tripoli. And within this context so our people in the east say that history has it that you always stood up to injustice and oppression you will never be if you will so the seeds of rift among the libyans. Those who are sowing the seeds of rift are trying to propagate the Current Situation as a war on terrorism or a conflict between east and west yet time it has come for the silent majority to have their say in the. War will come to an end no doubt. We will reap nothing but regret and damage and on this occasion. All those who stood up. To the belligerent aggression and injustice. Based on international and patriotically sponsibility and despite the blitter integration which we will continue to fight and stand up to today. Of our. Political initiative in order to find an exit to this crisis and i call on the libyan people to support this proposal and our initiative is summarized as follows 1st. Of. All inclusive Libyan Congress be convened with the coordination of International Players to include all the components of the social fabric of libya including all heavyweight political and national figures. Whereby we pave the way for building the state of a rule of build on the rule of law and democracy is the 2nd. During this congress and the agreement will be reached on a future roadmap whereby the Constitutional Foundation be led and agreed upon whereby president ial and parliamentary election be held before the end of 2019 i did a katydid Legal Committee be a commission be also formed to undertake the future responsibilities to be agreed a bone 3rd of the congress will ratify and endorse the relevant legislations on the constitutional reforms as indorsed by this Legal Commission before being. Submitted to the National Election commission the 3rd or 4th the International Community be called to support this initiative and the United Nations will oversee the measures to be taken including the European Union and the African Union to provide the necessary support 50. Did a gated committees and units being formed from the executive and security establishments be formed under international of our side in all the provinces in order to undertake the necessary deitys for the future measures including the security measures 6. An agreement be reached during this congress on the mechanism in which a Central Administration be established maximum use of our resources including social development on equal footing among all provinces based on Good Governance and. A Supreme NationalReconciliation Commission being formed under this congress. In order that the Transitional Justice general pardon and other relevant legislations be that defied including incriminating those who are found guilty committing war crimes ladies and gentlemen during the coming period of time we will continue to exist efforts to provide the necessary. Atmosphere for the future obligations and will continue to be for the security measures including the financial and monetary measures with the central bank. Who will also continue with our security measures. And our plans to establish a National Army and National Security apparatus to maintain the role of flow. That is the libyan Prime Minister if i as. I remember in recent weeks forces loyal to the world who need to have to have been trying to seize the capital tripoli from the internationally recognized government which is part and he said that try to resolve this crisis he said that an all inclusive Libyan Congress should be convened to seek agreement on a future road map also talked to the dedicated Security Units and the National Reconciliation commission which among its responsibilities would be to include incriminating those found guilty of committing war crimes lets bring in he joins us live from tripoli tell us more about what was said and put in context for us. Well it seems that the Prime Minister faisal is announcing a new age in this conflict and from his speech it seems that hes announcing a roadmap hinting about elections but also its clear that this stage which is announcing is go it is not going to have have to within meaning that. Some large it had meetings before that briefing with civil or leaders of a different kettle of the Libyan Society including military commandos the latest was. Last night he had a meeting with the military commanders and ministers a government of National Accord to announce a new phase of the military confrontations on the southern outskirts of the libyan capital it seems that the camp led by saddam is determined to defeat have to his forces and also to refuse or reject any idea to have hefted within any political settlement in the coming get is teach also. Is hinting that the negotiations is different from before april 4th because before april 4th thats when have his forces launched an offensive to control the capital of tripoli remember nic at the was a meeting get that was due to be held in adamus on april 14th and have said it was part of that meeting and he was expected to be part of the new government to but. After april 4th after the military escalation is started by his forces now. Is announcing that the negotiations before force is different than april 4th which is. Kind of indication that there is no place for have to in any coming or any future. Settlement in libya and also in tunisia during the the past couple of weeks so much had meetings with the leaders and. Figures from the east of libya to try to choose people who. To be alternatives of the world. Have to has been also and now calling on the International Community and the United Nations to get involved in. This he has Just Announced nic all right thats the picture from tripoli thanks very much Health Officials in pakistans southern sindh province and struggling to treat people who have tested positive for hiv most of them children the World Health Organization says there arent enough drugs to treat all those infected or a burden manly has this report. Imtiaz ali and his family live in the tiny remote town of project area it got wild attention 2 months ago when medical experts found multiple cases of hiv mostly in children the ali family know this pain too well of their 6 children only one had to contract the virus 2 of them died. My wife and i h ive been negative but sadly 5 of our children contracted hiv and 2 of them died recently now i am more worried about my other kids as there is no proper treatment available here and i cant afford to take them to any good hospitals doctors were baffled when they found many parents who tested negative to the virus but their children positive. Authorities trace this back to a local doctor. They have accused him of infected patients with the virus through contaminated syringes he denies these allegations and the investigation continues. Screening centers were quickly established including the district kept larkana but the findings were worrying from just over 20000 people screened more than 750 people have been diagnosed with hiv 80 percent of the children. The unsafe practices. And. The banks are feeling unsafe. Says is not enough antiretroviral treatment stopped in pakistan only halted the new patients are being treated the illness also carries a social stigma the clinic has set up counseling sessions for women too afraid to be screened worried if theyve contract the disease out costs from the community the ladies mostly they are coming in their door nor their go ahead terry has happened if someone is positive there isnt is this 3rd order of every miss we want to give their own decisions to them in order here. Not to not the children be never referred to was a deficiency theres also concern if the government doesnt act quickly in the virus could lead to aids an illness that is far more difficult to treat. Back in russia Darrow Imtiaz Ali spends what time he can with his children but its a battle to keep that temperatures down a common side effect of hiv a little more difficult during the School Teaching some a months. Manly aljazeera. Well lets take this on we can speak to anton post new york is president of the International Aid society joins us via skype from london and it is a very troubling distressing story this is not parents not a hiv but their children what do you think is happening here why its a tragedy thats almost certainly could have been avoided you have to ask yourself how did children most of these are children get infected by hiv well its either through their mothers juju or in pregnancy and delivery or breastfeeding or then you and as the mothers a negative thats not how well then its through transfusion and we heard about the some of the children may have been. All through the use of unsafe practices such as their injuries because if you give an injection someone a small amount of blood is drawn into the syringe and h. L. V. Can last in that syringe from a few hours to a few days busy some of that reuses that syringe are they giving an injection. Into a child the virus can be found other similar stories to this one elsewhere in the world oh yes i recently there was a whole sort of mean yet demick happening in the Central United states where families were crushing up opiates and sharing syrian jews in the family feeling if they did that anyway it would be you know be safe. Unfortunately h. L. V. Got into that chain of events and there was an aberration in those families so theres a whats happened here is that theres not enough International Commitment to stop this kind of thing happening and weve taken the our eye off the ball. Well i think in terms of safe practice the world knows that we shouldnt use syringes again that they are a potential source of transmitting not just the but other. Such as hepatitis b. And city and i think whats happened is that theres just been very unsafe perhaps these people are not being trained correctly and they really shouldnt have now do several things 1st of all