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And with about eight hundred million users instagram has become a fashion for many including those who dress modestly plus size models or designers who sell gender nonconforming clothes so we asked our community some of their favorites and heres what they told us gio rubber gado says mine are two germans joe lasted for formal executive smart casual and daniel toni for casual i read a street where. On instagram also wrote to us with her favorite cut to be whose style is a sharp as her wit you can see some of her instagram photos right there and ill throw in a shout out to just one of my favorites kima whose pitch was also an inspiration for todays show. Now modest clothing has had a very successful few years especially marketing to the muslim demographic for example nike developed a professional sports people and the u. S. Department store macys announced it would begin carrying modest clothing and he shops and stores but modest fashion designers of many faves have already been highly Successful Online speaking to regular to their consumers for years so with us now to discuss our. Sisters and founders of the frock in my see thats a modest clothing line were also joined by for human citee shes an entrepreneur and a fashion director at blue may a modest fashion label she created with her sisters welcome to the stream all of you really excited to have this conversation especially this topic of course i want to start with a video comment we got because our community is just as excited to have this conversation this is a her and she is a passion entrepreneur in the modest fashion industry heres what she had to say. Something and learn. To see. Big. Much effort to reach out to real women and hear from them and see what they want i was really shocked to understand how little consideration is given for a real woman coming into test. Yes i mean can you relate at all were you shocked to before you started your line that you couldnt find things that specifically spoke to you in the way that you wear your clothing. Its interesting i just think we used to spend our childhood buying clothing and then going to buy trimmings and lace and all these different of the snippets of fabric so we could like scaring markets like odds and ends in random dresses that were not in schools to fix the clothing in order that they were able to be one way out of the modest way because there really wasnt anything available it was all about the jeans tank top pair of short shorts and that was it and so it was very difficult and thats how we started just training our eye in the fashion sphere of how we would alter what was there in order to meet our needs thema as a designer when youre looking at designing something thats money its what are you looking at what are you looking at that perhaps another designer might not be focused on. Im looking now way not out there in the fashion world already something that a lot of the modest. Clothing the girl that would want to wear a lot of the females the hoops to they really are inspired by or like back there in mainstream fashion and they like the you know on instagram but its so hard for them to find so we try to recreate it in ways where its modest and theyre able to carry about those ways in which its money that was what i was getting at what are you looking im focused on were well you know by making sure that it will be covered making sure its long sleeves making sure it didnt have any cut out. It can be luther very easy youve given them the options there are like Different Levels of modest as well and we like to have you know Different Levels or any kind of muslin or even non most. So we actually got a tweet here from mona who writes and that to me modest fashion is an outer expression of our devoutness to god we still do however like to dress fashionably and trendy so thats why having the verona collection writerly available at macys thats what we talked about the beginning of the show is so incredible its like finally having a voice and i want to actually share a picture here for him of this is one of your designs on the runway tell us a little bit about the thinking behind this. So right now what we created that. We had in mind like the latest trend definitely laurel hope was the color of the year. We try to incorporate the blairs also like we did which to surrender you know what was trending and what most of the consumers are into we like to see that and make it like modest growth. I just want to show you this this is the rock em i say this is your instagram ladies going down here i slip in brooklyn i lived in a very Orthodox Jewish area and this was not the fashion that i was seeing no definitely not not not us hows your battle needed to be reacting to this because this stuff is easing here in the beginning i do have to say that when we first moved to brooklyn we were definitely seen as different and we still stand out and what weve noticed and what were trying to say is that we are not the define our of in judaism of what is modest for everyone and what is immodest for certain levels we are trying to share a perception and say modesty is about an attitude its about telling the world that a woman can be valued beyond her body so when we design clothing were not looking at what skin to show were looking at how you can have fun with fabrics and drape and play and layering to express the woman with her desires a through design what was interesting that i found that you know over time people seeing us more and becoming more label as that of followers our customers our cars with like hey we can also be modest its relatable its easy its actually do or do selling us a way that we cannot you know we can wear what youre wearing and also their passion or not only being a mother so aside from sharing allostatic were also sharing an attitude and when we we welcome women from all different faiths that have all different standards of dressing and for example they would say to us i dress like this a b. And c. And i want this to be covered and say there is no problem with making that fashionable as well because its not about what you want to show its about who you want to be and thats our whole attitude about our whole brand is that designing clothing that changes the perception of what a modest woman is so i want to give you this critique. Great here im not sure i completely understand it but maybe you will this is verges on twitter who says theres a fetish obsession with the word modest nobody is interested in what it represents theyre just using it as a ticket to stardom as a creative designer im pretty troubled by where its going to goes on to say representation and inclusive clue city is important but how its represented is equally important and right now its noisy modest you tubers grabbing the limelight and see me and you relate to that at all i hear i heard a yes when i was reading some of them i was. Actually discussing recently we were talking we said we were getting quite i would say not bored but it was like a mother said a word for lack of better wall would modest this and modest that and the world is a new modest dream and what we were trying to and what we constantly try to share is that its not necessarily about a specific area of skin that youre covering and not covering were really trying to show people just by being out on a cells that its about how you value yourselves as a woman and that is what were trying to share so yes more ladies are still at the modest step now we want to use money so we should be talking about this have you come up with a better way its a description its a i would say its almost like having a sensitivity a sensitivity to yourself and to your surroundings solzhenitsyn. I would say and. I like a little bit of the word sensitivity because its modest often especially today its like what is this and modest that modest is a new everything its a kind of loses its losing its beauty and how it will tend to city so its almost about. A womans empowerment and because everyones modest will be different everyones modest what someone might consider modest in a tank top and shorts someone might say is not model or its really about a sensitivity to your surroundings where you are what youre doing and how you carry yourself and then are you sort of content empowering a woman to feel like she doesnt have to separate your lies herself in order to be valued i want to ask you about Media Coverage and the impact that youre having but i would ask you to sit tight because were doing a couple of different fashion john was in the program today so if the he were and yet and see me keep watching the show were talking about more fashionable live back with you in a couple of minutes now the runways of milan paris new york are coming off the back of a really successful year of inclusive a t. V. And Great Strides are being made in fact one publication even found that twenty seventeen will see the most diverse year in fashion but the major fashion houses have been slow to reflect the popularity of plus size fashion on social media is francisca me on the shes the c. E. O. And founder of plus size at the last city in kenya you can access pieces. You know online or you know in the sharks and argus is because of the work that we have to do to sure they have their stock is that there is a big market that needs not to be not one and we look forward to having more connections that are saying. That in greece the plateaus going into to make them look fashionable to make them look if youre confident about it and you know i would be every day that are. Being inclusive in the fashion industry and we hope to see this change Going Forward and the lucky cheese but for ever because it is different. So were talking plus size models with us on the phone Trey Campbell is a songwriter and plus size model for a sauce he recently was in mens fashion week in new york and charlie recently is a fashion blogger writing about plus size fashion really good to have you both on the show ok let me just recreate a moment that we had an editorial meeting yesterday i said outloud that i didnt think the plus size was a pejorative word and emma lekas said. If you look at me she is probably not characterized by many people as a plus size but at the something as something similar to what i said but actually that terminology is something that we got online we just got this via you tube misty knight says why do you people say so call when it comes to plus size clothing to me thats an admittance that people are aware that plus size clothing doesnt encompass true plus sized people charlie terminology is so difficult here what do you call this john rocker yes. I am very very happy to call my so is so cool find it offensive. In terms of what song is it i think its really how you identify. Im on the edge of kind of in the. In straight mainstream shops and shops ok to the larger woman. Even when it comes to you kind of plus size fashion it excludes a lot of women so. If you are a u. K. So is twenty eight which is going to be us twenty who are i think youre probably not going to be out shopping a lot of the stores out so things are Getting Better in terms of being able to show in stores. Yeah plus size is such a massive trade and im a little curious challenge them bringing. A plus sized model timely to curious about how would you describe the way the main fashion industry treats people who are not a size thats petite all built with abs how would you describe that situation well unfortunately i feel like the fashion industry has taken note of what the majority of fashion consumers are a lot of consumers come in all different shapes and sizes so for me i think its a Good Business move just to be paying attention to the actual consumers of fashion are described. As that there are ways to describe it you describe you know were looking at pictures of you yeah so im yes you hundred and seventy five so im definitely bigger. And you all were talking about the term plus i personally love the term but. Probably comment. Well i mean more and. More personality i have more of a love and i. Own the term. I love the owning of it i want to bring in one other voice to someone on twitter Jacqueline Jackie mary says it is the responsibility of designers to make people who are larger or dont have off the rock rock figures feel qualified to be consumers and the same goes for diversifying the beauty standard with different kinds of model looks so tray i know that there was one complete company in particular that made you feel valued as a customer tell us about that. Definitely so as a bigger guy its difficult to go into a lot of the bigger Retail Companies and sign apparel that first and foremost make you feel comfortable and secondly that fits well so a dear friend of mine told me about the company ayso who is pretty much ahead of the trend when it comes to being all inclusive with sizing. I ordered a couple of things online at the top of last year. They came to me in two days they have two day shipping and this was incredible i found it astounding that an Online Retail brand was able to get my so well without me actually go against the store and trying on something im. Going to just bring him back in and see me as a human im just wondering if all of you listening to each other are you a movement so he might do you feel that what youre doing is a movement or youre part of an easement to open up the fashion industry. We definitely are this is the movement of the fashion industry has been lacking and its really great to see that its finally you know theyre finally picking up a lot of designers are trying to be more body inclusive theyre trying to be more you know we have big designers trying to create. We have person serrano which is one of my favorite designers who. Always has plus size models i think its a Great Movement thats happening right now in the world and hopefully going Getting Better new year terms i want to bring up something that we got some interesting feedback from our Online Community we asked do designers have a responsibility to be more inclusive haley lynn writes and the word responsibility makes inclusive any sound like a burden i think with the current state of the world and every other industry and please city is a natural progression in order to not only ensure self acceptance but also for designers to survive as businesses would you agree without charlie yeah i think its not really about was then its about jim and me being nice people and being inclusive. You know i think what im getting from this is more discussion we wont die the scene we want toys and we will design a. Fashion house if you give us. Their kind of gotten better over the know. They need to start listening to peoples demands and needs and realizing that we need choice trey im just wondering if we took social media out of this makes the fact that we can see you havent seen charlie as the high end simian so he met your vision of the kind of fashion you want to weigh it was just social media out of that makes we think its the. Honestly i think we would still be in the same place as two years ago because body positivity and visibility is such a big thing in social media its brought the calls to the forefront the calls to mainstream attention so honestly im really thankful for social media for connecting so many people and bringing awareness hired and i quite well i just i just like to add that i think this whole responsibility of being inclusive in that thankfully to social media its not just a movement its more of a community so when automatically when we feel part of a community and when others feel part of a community of plus size models and different interface that make people feel comfortable to cover up more or to show amazing pictures of themselves even if theyre wearing a size twenty eight being part of a community allows someone to say oh hey i love doing this and it gives them more of a sense of power and freedom to to continue doing it actually also is educating the design is of what you know who they consumerism and we consumers so we do you know share our boys and their needs and it is their responsibility and if theyre not owning up to that responsibility then they might not you know they might not survive and they might not have that same connection to their customers in the community thats what we have to do because we listen and we feel like we are connected we have peers with our customers and without because of all the communities that i so want to throw one other thing at you this is a headline that we saw not too long ago new York Fashion Week calendar ads category for eunice facts and not on the binary fashion we actually got a video comment from someone whos talking about opening up that realm on the runways this is april and this is what they told us. Gentles fashion isnt until the Twentieth Century drinking age of five progressive done for you grounds of gender the rise of jennas fashion comes from a desire for a more Inclusive Society this is not a fashion trend but a Grassroots Movement of individuality and. To see me im scrolling through their instagram rate now rickett dot co clothes that transcend gender just going down rate now how important do you think mainstreaming yourselves is is that except in something that you are looking for for me i think i think the whole idea of mainstreaming what we want to share is very important because it sharing it sharing an attitude and sharing a vision of inclusively of saying that. We design for all cells us as women we can be who we want to be regardless of how much skin we are showing or not so the whole idea of inclusive beauty and mainstreaming what were doing is very important because more of a voice is just as much a voice as it is a fashion label that just appeals to the aesthetics and says i just had a picture of you to vogue no less congratulations and. Lots of stories from him about his job charlie you funny the press and allowed chasing you to im just wondering how the media is reacting to staff that helps get the word out. But. Maybe not so much i think. Is a secular barrier to people actually saying its ok to be different sizes were ok about showing that. Yeah i think its definitely Getting Better. Bloggers out there who are very heavily. A big logo it really has just partnered with an amazing question here and all of the newspapers have picked up on. The issue but that is it comes with a lot although. Its kind of scary. To. Think big and go in a newspaper because you know that youre going to get criticized or are. The hate around is terrible. So you kind of have to go to what would you say to people to make them understand what it is that youre trying to do so they might just maybe take a pause before they start trolling you. I think its just. You know just because i. Mean im not human i still like i still have. I still like to have interests and hope and i am human just because i doesnt mean im not charlie heres someone i would completely agree with you though i think most people that are watching our show would completely agree with you this is the curvy fashionista who says in a Perfect World i wouldnt be relegated to shopping online only i could walk into every store knowing theyd carry my size and style a static masses would have race and size diversity there would be ignorant comments made and wed be fully welcomed and celebrated train the last few seconds of our show here what would be your Perfect World. In a Perfect World we would just be more open to diversity i think were and a day in age where its so much is in the mainstream and social media and i think we just need to be aware and to celebrate our differences instead of tearing each other down because of those differences i personally believe that those differences and the diversity of the world are what make it such a beautiful place with him to try and charlie in ohio and see me and say he must thank you for making the show so incredibly stylish train before you go you were on new York Fashion Week you walked that catwalk in three was what was that experience like. It was exciting and nerve wracking that and. I dont know i think. Im hoping that this is going to inspire other designers. And more body. To. Africa transforming. Africa. When the news breaks when people need to be heard. Like it a good thing is there. 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