Back in a military court appeared to me was arrested in december after a video of her slapping and hitting Israeli Soldiers went viral. Those are the headlines coming up next is the street news has never been more available but the message is simplistic and misinformation is rife the listening post provides a critical counterpoint trying to bring Mainstream Media narrative at this time on aljazeera. Im femi oke a South African president jacob zuma political future is uncertain after days of negotiations between him and the countrys Ruling African National congress this comes more than a year before his second term is due to expire and today we discuss once there was a possible departure means for both the future of the a. N. C. And south africas political landscape. And youre now in the stream live on aljazeera and we do have a short send you send us your questions and your comments i know you have a lot to say and we are trying to get it into the show. Social. Worker minister. Cabinet. President zuma has been at the center of several scandal since he first took office back in two thousand and nine or that he faces more than seven hundred charges linked to allegations of bribery and corruption denies any wrongdoing and maintain support among a segment of the n c but his scandals have been considered by others in the party to be a political liability ahead of next years general election i made mounting pressure from within the party protests demanding zuma must go and see officials led by South African deputy president. On monday to discuss his fate correspondent for me to miller reports from johannesburg. Well this meeting has been going on for a couple of hours now and the expectation is that the National Executive committee will come out to push jacob zuma to resign and all indications so far is that hes resisted that unless even through talks with the president of the a. N. C. So remote over the last few days where they were trying to come to some sort of solution some sort of exit plan to get jacob zuma out it seems that those talks collapsed there were a number of demands from jacob zuma which the aides see as a party even though the governing party cant necessarily meet around around prosecution related to these corruption charges and and even the state covering the cost of legal fees as well as security for his family you know these reports around what the president may have wanted hes not stepped down yet and so the expectation is that this if he see meeting does come up with a decisive plan and a push for jacob zuma to step down from Office Social Media will continue to report out that story you can follow on twitter the media minute so what will be jacob zuma is like at the end what are the ramifications of a resignation were here to help us on pack this story in johannesburg lobby is a talk show host name is up as a researcher at the society work and Development Institute at the university and community you is the chair of africans rising thats the Pan African Movement of social justice activists and Civil Service organizations welcome everyone to the stream i want to get started with our Community Pretty active on this topic and for a while now this is deal rates and weve basically been kept in the dark it feels like a whole lot of tiptoeing around zuma when he should just be booted out no negotiation should be held with he she goes on to say weve been told to respect the process and wait at some point we have to bite the bullet and make a decision is hard work mandela bear has crumbled in just a few years it saddens us as a nation as we sit around and just wait really what do you make of her comments and just waiting can you relate to the. Well it is absolutely apt i mean everything that is said indexed tweet is so appropriate and a true reflection of the situation the fact of the matter is that we are being thanked and im not making this up the d. V. D. President who is the president of the ins he sort of course i consider treaty a city where he thinks South Africans for the patients and i thought nobody is patient this has been dragging on for the long time and secondly it is quite jarring to learn that the in c. Thinks this is its own private internal matter it isnt it is about the country and they did not take us into their confidence so i think that is a failure in a vacuum of leadership so yes we are weak i want to share this with this comes from south africa have a lesson for us a lot. Of us. And i want us to. See here that kimmy had a visit there in the background as well the if easy as im from the crowd if we if we took a temperature of the mood in south africa right now what would it be how to describe it. Well in september the opinion polls will be saying that seven out of ten so theyre fictions as a whole. Wanting to present so much to step down immediately and within the a. N. C. In september it was already six out of ten so right now in the National Conference with the new a. N. C. President and some of them oppose and so on. I think that right now the mood is shifted way. In antagonism to present him and right now i think is behavior confirms his presidency where hes put himself before they see this but him so for the country its been solved before the people and the way hes handled this without no dignity no sense of decorum and so on coming can you give us an example of that because youre sitting there in south africa so youre saying almost play by play lack of dignity explain give us an example. So for example. Present zuma always maintained with regard to the corruption charges against him in the early days he said i want my day in court i want my day in court and once. The legal system started bringing charges against him multiple cases yes that Everything PossibleEverything Possible to actually delay facing those charges and sadly its been at the cost of South African taxpayers so right now i would say that he does have pockets of support but its waning its declining quite really but its important in the way we discuss this is to actually just acknowledge that most of the africans recognize that the fish rots from its head as they say and we have to do the move present zuma none of us are naive enough to believe that just removing president obama is going to sort out the decay of corruption absolute disrespect of all people at multiple levels and we need not just jacob zuma to go we need the a. N. C. To go back to its own roots understand their servants of the people and stop acting like kings and queens as many of the leadership have been so come eventually if you can just edit and example has really you just said what are the other examples of zuma being selfish admitting disregard for the people including Southwest Well the big scandal was ticks piers money state coffers about two hundred twenty five million south African Rands which is about twenty two million u. S. Dollars used for if it is private residence the Public Protector whos tasked with investigating at such a miscarriage of justice and misuse of public funds found that zuma had broken the law but he held on to it dragged on for two years he wouldnt concede that he was wrong he wouldnt pay back the money until he was embarrassed in parliament and until the matter how went to the highest. Which in the land of the Constitutional Court which found that zuma and violated in fails to defend the constitution so thats a perfect example of somebody who was in it for himself but i will back up what community saying that even in that incident would not turn its back on jacob zuma they supported him the humiliated. Previous Public Protector shes left office now they literally disregarded the South African public and showed us the middle finger so thats why this is not just about you can look at the entire. Thats why they beckoned to get rid of him because they too have been complicit in this so really though it begs the question and to your point and also to me is why exactly now so i want to read two tweets one is someone referencing what you mentioned and something weve also covered here on the show to an aide says we paid two hundred forty six million and on his home he clearly lied about what his role in these huge amounts were this resulted in him having to pay back a small part of the money he was also found guilty of breaking the constitution we dont deserve a president like that but the feeling here points out something that a lot of people are pointing out he says jacob zuma has survived impeachment moves in the past hes known of course some call him tough one died but i doubt if hes going to survive this mass action mean he has survived in the past why do you think now might be different why do you think people like me feel theyre saying this might make all the difference. Well he has survived many votes of no confidence and you know and the public trials in in the last few years the way he is really on the chopping block this time and its different is that there was a really significant event that happened in december and that was the National Elective country so that reagan National Congress went to a conference and elected a new leadership and zuma and his preferred candidate and hes sections before that kind of it effectively lost the presidency at that conference and that put him in a very precarious position because the incoming president well now the president of the a. N. C. Still raima was a has been going against zuma quite a lot in the last few months so this is this is what has shifted and ultimately the dissimilar country has shifted the logical sense in the sea and in shifted the political mood in the can she around as a man and his presidency is it too soon guess to talk about the legacy but the thing the do for south africa can mean its not i think right about it i add and and rudy and as an event its our economy i gather its not its a no its not consume is legacy was that at moments before you came into call us complicit in corruption as. I mean these legacy is corruption corruption corruption there were certain good things that he did but that could have happened without him it wasnt particularly inspiring for example is held back. Because of corruption hes held back progress so for example on the hes insisted and driving forward the corrupt nuclear deal with russia and notwithstanding every sector of society opposing it including the majority in the a. N. C. Because he stands to benefit from the nuclear deal so i think the legacy will be that he destroyed a lot of what mandela built in terms of image in the states i mean myself as a young fifteen year old in the activists that age. It is it is deeply distressing to see a movement that many of us gave our lives too many people gave everything to that is being destroyed so for me jacob zuma within a couple of years in college. Is legacy was that corruption manipulation lies and abuse of the trust of the people of south africa test me let me play this for you comes from Pretoria Bureau chief of the African News Agency i was posted yesterday to the very end of the bike theres something i want to ask you about as im listening and were planning to actually but that please philosophic and do not good to work tomorrow tomorrow. And then proving. Please dont look away when they go to police what they want to know is when they go to a doctor whether youre sick pretty got whether youve gotten bored whether you wake. If you dont put duct tape do not good to work. Because these crises that theyre facing it affect us this man is like mugabes of. This man is like in the goblet. Tasneem. So i mean i think there are significant differences between the station in zimbabwe and mugabe and whats happening in south africa and his zuma i think its actually me its a stretch to make that comparison and i would have to see how one makes it but its something that i put a lot and its something that a lot of people see you know so much trying to be laden gavin so much i think it needs a bit of reflection i think we need to really think about what what the real you know comparison is the comparison though that you know clooney kind of brought up was that of mandela as mandelas government versus. And that im not is optimistic and is mad that colleagues of you know that the one nine hundred ninety s. In south africa but ive heard this comparison to you know it many people have said that so remark was in the new agency will be going back to kind of mandela in c. And i think thats also something that we need to trace and if we need to critique the a. D. F. Of we. See in government got us and you know what what we need now given that the context is different so i think we need to also criticize those kind of easy comparisons mandela. I see the significant point where we can we can talk about how you know tenure as state president was positive for the kanshi but i think we also need to be critical of that and that comparison similarly to the comparison of who got in some commie i want to bring it up because its mentioned something that you referenced earlier siberry similar tongue on twitter says when i joined the a. N. C. In one nine hundred eighty nine there was a movement that wanted to give a better life for all the people who live in south africa the party now is beyond redemption and to just accept the political scene the a. N. C. Has become synonymous with corruption on the other side of that coin though we got this comment very few and far between are comments like this on our twitter feed but she writes said my president has done lots of things look at the schools and universities who me are there any redeemable qualities from the legacy when you look back at the legacy of zuma that you combine. I think that they were. The most important event in that he made was he did the right thing and its a be aids and to expand and programs but i think the credit for that he spilled the Treatment Action Campaign and Civil Society rather than to monday and so he to whom im self but i think that what his name says is really important because we must be very clear that the rocks because what i was able to get away with what he has done over the last ten years it couldnt be that it just suddenly happened he came to power that iraq started a long time ago and i dont want to i just want to be clear i dont want to remand to size the the mandela years which is only five years in power i was the only talking about mandela as the leader of the a. N. C. As a Liberation Movement more so but its you know much as many of us at criticisms of the you know range of Different Things on men before money Economic Transformation and so on in the face of that and them and then i think when you look at where the was taken us to date that period and im in the low would be still a golden period but people must be clear that moving zuma is the first then its a question of cleaning up the National Executive committee that also has our own bunch of cut up powerful people in it and then its a question of humbling in see how im doing itself and going back and listening to people but just to be clear on that tweet about the a. N. C. Outlived its value i think there are many people that believe that right now the test is going to be with him he does well in twenty nine hundred next and his where they in fact in see shows consistent. Passionate urgent attention to your advocating corruption in our state owned enterprises you know what in institutions across the board and if the a. N. C. Does things like try and show to people in the zuma camp weve been implicated by corruption and treat them with one set of rules and treat the rest of the south African People differently then in cities. Is dead politically speaking moving forward yes it but still be the major party in the next election but if the a n c couldnt gain citizenship doesnt decisively address corruption and shows that zuma ends up in prison left and all the a. N. C. Leadership needs to do is allow our Justice System which has been working i think the one thing we all pray and say thank god for the cops in the country and that paid tribute to the judiciary and Civil Society for that all that plato for i want to share with you had a line that really came out with we were just chatting just before the show i said what was your headline for west africa is right now with us youll headline its readers headline readers headline ready i want you to write the hedge im where we are right now. Ok so i really do think that jacob zuma is the cat with ten lives because if he was just a cat with nine lives he to fix those that them all up by now how does somebody who is so scandal prone whos facing multiple charges of fraud record and corruption which it never dissipated throughout his presidency has made one constitutional blend after another what do i mean by that famous i mean that every time as zuma in the presidency and the government has been taken to court most times we lose those cases in court including when he was trying to challenge at the Public Protectors report that he should pay back the money that he that was used to refurbish these homes so i really do think that jacob zuma at still has some cards to play and the reason the assumption goops goes back to what. You are saying that some of his ministers have been complicit in the corruption some of them into some of the members of the agency i think its so they can just turn around and say dude your time is up they too have a case to answer and i must say that clip that you played in asked her what she makes of the members asking us all to not go to work to shut down the country i mean im exasperated by that nonsense because Civil Society for years has been saying jacob zuma is flawed and the agency is also disrespecting the constitution by continuously protecting him and now if they live an hour they want us to shut the country down well we didnt try for a couple of months we didnt try for a couple of years is jacob zuma took us from one scandal to im not that it was the a. N. C. That was the holding his hand protecting him so now they come to the party it is too little too late im afraid so i just have one i could nuance perspective on this looking back some of the good and some of the bad of this person says looking at the legacy this is thomas he is a loss or pretoria and this is what he told the three. The way young people. Can change. And they sure the. Radical action was demonic and when it wasnt provided by the government young people took it into. Being that has and. Is a complete authority and. To be in here if you broke in conscious its also a. Fight no way. Before its been a time when most young people have become. And it is. Kind of. So to seem him intend to discuss Port Authority but also. The light and all of that the good part about what he make of that. You know its interesting that he talked about the feeling that whole movement and the kind of Popular Mobilizations that happened in the country and it simmers presidency in sydney what weve seen is a huge Student Movement yes but also a mess of Community Protests you know across the country have been eating almost in a reeky seventeen even daily basis various small mobilizations in communities around the country that relate to issues and local issues but its all the links into bigger politics and what i what i will say about this is that while weve seen all of their to me youve seen these mess of kind of mobilizations across the country we also havent seen a huge popular. Mobilization popular protest against zuma they have been attempts but im also critical of these a team so there was in the midst full movement that movement didnt manage to gain the kind of support that many thought it would there were a number of the number of criticisms around that even now in the wake of all of this and certainty thats happening and supposedly many people saying that most people in the country when samantha go we still havent seen South Africans really taking to the streets and their lives because we are in a country. Why. Why so i mean thats thats the real question for me at least is that in a country where we see so much protest like havent we had a big popular protest around so many leaving and that that really is a question that i think we have to collectively answer perhaps its because South Africans believe that they will be able to resolve this issue perhaps its because that is a fundamental distrustful of the system and that people believe that you can get rid of someone like summa and theyre still its because there isnt seventy out there theres a im a bit more of the what do you think sure is actually. I disagree with doesnt mean theres a minus for marches that happened in april when unprecedented to never have South Africans imposed democratic south africa marched against the city. President and they cut across hours at what it what one of the biggest to the Union Buildings they were attempts prior to that main event and thats why i say it was a it was a success it cuts across racial lines and class lines i think what has happened is that the criticisms have been amplified but in my view doesnt in any way diminish the fact that this was an unprecedented move and what was the criticism well it was more that white people in south africa never much they only march when their comfort is disturbed and disrupted the criticism was that we have what we call Service Delivery protest and protest by poor people who just want basic Services Like electricity and you dont see white people great perhaps that criticism was deserved there was a piece in a call while the white people in the middle class they never there when real issues i think to pass that is to make criticisms but that movement was unprecedented i would say that it was it was successful and also people protest different ways on social media columns of radio stations certainly the voices are being amplified in a way that they never were in the big end and in my d. N. A. Years with the in tasmania as coming can you believe that weve been talking about this for a hot finale and i want to show you adeline it is headlines from the guardian so this meeting has been going on all day on monday still no result have a look at that headline i know that none of you will be surprised in south africa its been else for patience this conversation continues online using the hash tag back to watching everybody thank you very much indeed taking. To. The. A. The first century. The most memorable moments of aljazeera was when i was on air as Hosni Mubarak fell when at the crowds in Tahrir Square talking. As. If something happens anywhere in the world al jazeera is in place where able to cover me like no other news organizations. Were able to do it properly. And that is our strength. It was a pawn which modern day venezuela was a stop list. For over a century this lucrative resorts has divided the people less than cursed with the Worlds Largest reserves. 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