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Hi im femi oke a little overweight afghanistans capital kabul has been hit by four major task getting almost one hundred fifty people on pushing an already angry population to dispatch after more than sixteen years of violence and political turmoil why does the war look no closer to ending ill speak with a panel of afghans to ask that question and here in the stream live on aljazeera and you tube be sure to send us your comments and questions i will try to get them into todays show before we start the conversation take a look at this video from our colleagues at a tip last. Enough that she was over there you dont miss anything to go along with not one of the most of them. Along which. As you just saw the af. Answer villains are often the victims when bombs go off in kabul or add elsewhere the war in afghanistan is complex attacks are carried out by groups including the taliban and i still afghan officials often blame pakistans Intelligence Services for the violence u. S. President donald trump has stepped up air raids talks are off the table and infighting in afghanistans government divides its attention caught in the middle of this ordinary Afghan People are putting increasing pressure on all of the players to end the conflict but our released a prospect is that here with us to discuss that is a former Senior Advisor to the chief executive of afghanistans unity government dr Abdullah Abdullah is also the former afghan ambassador to france and canada on skype in San Francisco california us ally is an independent journalist and the founder of documenting afghanistan that is an Online Platform for afghans to share their own stories. And kill is the cofounder and deputy c o of Hope Education and leadership in afghanistan or hello the short a youth n. G. O. Promoting Student Leadership in afghanistan and he lives in kabul but joins us today from the hague in the netherlands and in doha qatar. Is an online producer for out zero dot com she often reports on afghanistan and pakistan welcome everybody you may remember at the end of that little video from a. J. Plus it said what is going on in the country how rude for your perspective is a simple bright doubt whats going on. Theres no incentive peace room or. Or or even people do. So this is just. This is your home v this is somewhere thats very dear to your heart if you were trying to explain to somebody outside of afghanistan this last few weeks of extreme violence how would you tell them what was happening why its happening. It is of yours that everyone is very sad about what has happened. But there is something that needs to be said to the world. It is that the wall thats finally come to a conclusion and they know no. To be blamed for all of these things and who is to be they for all the things that happened in the country and now the world and the International Community knows how to solve the problem how to overcome this issue that is something of. So i hear the hope in your voice but on line people are not so sure on our ill direct this to you this is from. Most afghans their primary desire is to live and not to die for that to happen the war needs to end the war continues because there is no understanding there are in a stalemate both sides hang on to a delusional fiction that military victory is possible this is a stalemate according to this person what would you say about that for a Military Point of view its a stalemate from a political point of view i think that we have reached a new stage in the political process that involves not only afghanistan and afghans internally but also the region around afghanistan and the countries that feel that they have a big stake in what is happening in afghanistan and then globally with the big powers like the us china russia and many others who also consider themselves as stakeholders like the u. S. Nato or very deeply entrenched in afghanistan have been for the last seventeen years we have seen ups and downs in the Afghan People obviously had hopes that have not materialized so far and what needs to happen is to realize that we need we are at a defining moment meaning that we have to put the finger on what caused the root cause of the problem is. And then we need to pull together in find creative and Realistic Solutions to the problems that exist whether the or again jew Political Security economic even and political as well i just stated the obvious. The obvious is not easy to deal with i may have stated the obvious but we need creativity this in seventeen years weve tried almost everything in the book nothing has really but you realized afghans are suffering more than ever before they do remember the last thirty forty years we have suffered heavily during this over the occupation during taliban the majority in every phase as had its own blood bath period right now the hopes that people had for being tested and i think that we need to rekindle hope and optimism in afghanistan instead of trying to deal with abstractions and things that are real cina i was checking out your twitter feed from the recant this let out it could not catch up with the death toll when reporting on the Suicide Attack bore today it was rising at a blazing speed every minute chilling how are you telling this story to an audience ive been following it for seventeen years. I think this time around the situation in afghanistan is not just its not just about the attacks its also about how young people in afghanistan are actually feeling that theyre going to die any moment i mean its for me as a journalist its so shocking to be covering an event went Something Like there its a pattern whenever i see whether its in the summer or in the winter if we look at the recent years attacks like this happen one after the other hundreds killed its a pattern same thing happened last week a lot of people were killed in this attack before that intercontinental was under attack and i could not catch up with the numbers i was in touch with off issues and they were giving numbers and i was late. For me when its so difficult to catch up on these numbers how would our hands in kabul who are actually facing the tags are dealing with it so its been happening its been happening for a while now but right now whats really sad is that the afghans are feeling that were going to die any moment and we need to be protected who is going to protect us citizen i trust the government yeah still i do you feel that way. I definitely feel that i was. There i was in kabul for her one day and when i was in kabul and if the situation there was not as normal as it was before nothing was normal there the people the people who were very sad and i couldnt see a smile a single smile on the face of an but lets deal with it wisely in. The white space to think about the solution that could be actual and i and by this i mean that this is not only a National Issue this is not an issue that afghanistan can solve it but this is an issue that the International Community jointly should solve it and thats why i say the word hope i know that there are fear i know that there the people are not happy i know that the people are going through. A very bad situation and so am and so other young afghans are going to the situation but i see that there is progress i see that the International Community is taking the right that. Doesnt mean i just something i want to hear what that progress is give us one example yes so one of the biggest examples of the progress could be the u. S. Strategy even as a strategy for south east Southeast Asia and also afghanistan. I mean in the country inside the country im very involved with young people involved with the activities that carries young people in and all of them are very optimistic about the new strategy all of them are very happy about that because in the new strategy that supports afghanistan and that it could be the start off a chain that could be the start of an end to this terrorism and he believed her. During that time yeah people are very disappointed with the United States i mean its been you know next seventeen years here theres been you know nearly a trillion dollars spent you could pave the roads in gold and none of that sort of happened right like theres no incentive like i was mentioning earlier for youth to not join armed groups whether thats the and theyre all about to rise k. P. C. There is not some widespread kind of system being built the to try to you know could reach into the villages and help people with education or just basic needs so theyre not on the street begging and picking up garbage for a living so people are flooding out of this country right why why do we have so many people crowding in the lot of this country right now who are all trying to get to the e. U. If thought things were going so great there then i am really absolutely i agree with the heroin on that because the attacks that weve been witnessing as journalists and as on living in the country i think it underscores the fragility all sixteen year United States military campaign and i mean despite the fact that theyve been fighting the taliban for so long my question here to mr omar here is that if were if we have to be creative about getting a solution to end this war what would it be i think we havent tried talking to the taliban yet from just recently said were not going to have a conversation with the taliban we i think in any case u. S. Is not winning at their desk so i think that its a good question in that country sharif. Let me first say that i think reality is lies somewhere between what both hold and sort of on said i think reality beans that a lot of work has been done enough on a stone we have seen progress in so many fields its been reported Everybody Knows about it security has been one challenge and there is a reason for that the reason is that there are groups of i phone or so that keep on fighting a. Those groups enjoy sanctuaries outside of afghanistan but they also are this is this is fact dissatisfaction within the country and then there are there is weaknesses there are weaknesses institutional weaknesses corruption governance weaknesses as we talk in the political rifts that exist in society if you put all of this together its a black and white picture but the reality is great now can i can i interrupt for a moment and ask you. Well ok so for the last sixteen seventeen years weve all known that whats going on inside of pakistan and that are funding and arming you know the operations of militant activity inside about want to start our listeners everybodys known this you know anybody from a farmer to even you know the president was told in United States that this is going on so its been sixteen years here so within a sixteen years United States billions upon billions to pakistan so how is it that the United States didnt know this was going on the entire time we thought reckless or now so that they all know that the policy is changing were in the middle of a transition in policy its a five six month old policy it will take time i believe. I mean a difference is that the problem for us now were going back to them to solve it for us this is a little bit strange to know well i mean i thought they were all a little bit i dont know. I dont think the United States can be blamed for nine eleven and i dont think the United States can be blamed for creating this problem i think that there are regional players and regional dynamics that play afghanistan as a victim of geography and that means jew political. Movements in dynamics play a huge role in have an impact on what is happening inside afghanistan if you look at afghanistan history its all about is geography now. Im sure it has your question. Creative means that we have to set up an end goal the end goal is peace the end goal is to belittle the insecure. Rooty therefore it means that we how do we reach that goal so far we have tried as i said before a lot of different options have been put under mr bush and. Mr obama is a new set of options with mr trump. So how do we reach the law i want guests we have a Live Online Community as well in this conversation so just pause for a moment so i can bring them back in but when you mention the end goal being peace of course before we get to peace so there are People Living their daily lives and struggling with that and so we want to check in with them on how theyre going about that we got this comment via you tube someone is watching live for a novice clearly the military cant solve the problem people should take action to overcome their challenges rather than just hoping things will get better clearly also this is someone who is not in afghanistan but people who are are doing things that are taking action in the way that they can and this is a piece that you wrote in case i die its entitled why afghans keep notes in their pockets and you spoke to several people residents of kabul or who are doing things like this and theyre writing their names on a note so i have one on my screen here and writes his name where he was born his age so that what. So. If you look at the situation in afghanistan right now its not just the attacks that the crimes are being killed in its also the drawings i have spoken to a lot of people lot of are saying that their babies were killed in drawings besides that theyre also killed in protests by the police. This happened in the summer on june second when the when the protesters were demonstrating against the attacks in kabul so its not just its not just the attacks conducted by ice a lot of the taliban they dont feel safe in the country they think that any moment we will step out of the house and we can get killed we can i dont get shot in a protest we can either get killed in a drone or well get killed by and i still are a Taliban Attack so when i was talking to them about what the situation is in kabul in afghanistan in general and i was very shocked about the fact when they said we started carrying piece of paper is now with us in case something happens to us. Our families it would be easy for our families to know where we are and find out if they need blood theyll be able to find blood for us if we are injured the reason they said that was because there were many bodies in the recent attack. On the on the Diplomatic Area that were learning and they could not identify them so there are plans are actually scared about the fact that if we die its going to take them a lot of days to identify our bodies so we might as well just keep a few papers that can tell you who we are in our pockets in our purses in our jerseys in places like that where i do know where they would know we are so theyre kind of feeling the sense of get in the country which is very which is very sad and its and its a bit shameful as well that they dont feel. Any sort of protection from the government or from the troops in the country so she was yes youve just given us a reality check here for what it is like to live in kabul to live in afghanistan and live free those attacks let me show you this because you picked up a story that weve been sharing on aljazeera amazing story of courage we call it how can they be helped its about a little fourteen year old boy this is a story that we have put it on in december its on facebook and out there right now have a look. Thank. You so do you. See. The. New one. You see the number of people there displaced by this conflict people online are pointing the fingers at some of those geo political actors that you talked about a little bit earlier omar this is a tweet we got from deep hockey says the perpetrators of terror attacks in afghanistan are mostly harbored and nurtured by pakistan more precisely the Pakistan Army punitive sanctions on the pakistan generals and businesses run by that military and significantly reduce terror attacks in afghanistan thats one persons claim on the other side that we have this tweet from east and we heard from a little bit earlier who says the u. S. Should learn from pakistan how the peace can be brought to the conflict zone u. S. Continuous desire to invade transoceanic country this irresponsible destabilizing behavior and that must end so someones pointing the finger at pakistan another persons pointing the finger at the u. S. Haroon what do you make of those two comments ok well i would say its all of them its not just the United States and russia or United States park florida or you know the so we have china we have iran we have all the surrounding countries that are involved there saudi arabia included but also from either their you know their favorite villains because very few heroes and on some left there mostly died and were martyred so what we are are people who who made it through and these are. You know the people who were able to be bought people who were not bought by United States or somebody else didnt really have back backing to stand their ground and continued to be the strong man or whatever they are. Right now what youre saying is the president the shovel money trying to push out some of these people who are still remnants of these kind of past days but we have all these Different Actors all these Different Countries playing their games instead of obama stunned with our blood. I think we can not blame the u. S. For the last year yes we did we should leave the u. S. And the International Community for the past sixteen years but for the last one year there has been significant their contribution has been very important you cannot just stay disciplined stay disappointed you cannot continue disappointment and thats not the right. Donald trump is not open just right. Pollutant our best interest in mind were very delusional i mean were not talking about. Not liking this either its either that or think that hes done talking about the interest of afghanistan saying hes were talking about you know. Someone is that we dont how friends and International Community i want to believe that this wont understand this we were going to have to work our own selfdetermined these type of things right create so sustainability you dont have those kind of so were just you know winding and he came in what i was. Going to make that announcement did you hear i mustnt you know im a little sort of get away from this blame game and looking at this issue from a black and one perspective. You know there are those who are trying to help and i think the Afghan People know who was there to help your dogs who are trying to hurt and i think the Afghan People know whos there to hurt over all these years we have learned on lessons and their dogs who big mistakes so deafened people also know whos making a mistake and so we have learned you have to learn from this i said something earlier that i want to put in perspective no one has drawn the city no one has used a drone specifically on purpose against civilians civilians have been killed by drone attacks on occasion in certain parts of afghanistan but its a nasty fall when. Its at the airport the drones have. Used specific you have terrorist outfits along the border with pakistan if you look at the record in a urged everyone to look at the record you see that drones are being used and mistakes have been made but drugs will be used against terrorist outfits i let me just bring in our who know how to use our hearing the story but youre right at the end of the show was that one point you were trying to make i have. What are you saying is that the United States hasnt killed people sort of kabul thats not accurate. This is happening. Thats not accurate because just a year ago i did a report on how the. The drones actually had a few billion in and a lot of kids were killed in that area not a single terrorist was killed and i had actually investigated. Would actually be everyone knows that mistakes have been i mean lets move beyond what were trying to call isolated incidents because theyre not obviously you know she and her work has shown that this is a pattern but all you were mentioning the going to get asked to make the point and was just really i dont know if you arent one hundred. And i. Guess hold tight for a minute were literally right at the end of the show hold tight because were going to have to take this conversation online ileka how people reacting to a discussion i will into this week from july of this is the only solution to peace in afghanistan is talks with the taliban and of course that is controversy itself so i know that that would lead to a whole other topic i mean this this conflict has been going on for seventeen years theres no way in twenty five minutes we can dress all of the points but thank you. For bringing your best efforts and helping us understand it a little bit more from one of your perspectives now al jazeera is ongoing coverage of afghanistan is on a dedicated page to go to aljazeera dot com and search for aljazeera afghanistan thank you so much our conversation always continues a stream and i will see that take everybody. To. Get. To the final stretch. Of. February on aljazeera south korea has the twenty eighteen Winter Olympics can records be broken aljazeera will bring you the latest from pyongyang china the big picture examines the present day crisis in venezuela by exploring the divisions rooted in its past senior officials will meet to discuss the biggest security challenges facing. Will be nine from the Munich Security Conference partition borders of blood looks at the troubled legacy of the events that shaped the indian subcontinent and in a series of special reports we look at new trade and travel routes which are opening up the loans february on aljazeera. 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