A bill that would impose jail terms for suggesting poland was complicit in the holocaust israels called it an attempt to challenge the historical truth thats it from a stay with out of the streams that. Hi im femi oke a little overweight afghanistans capital kabul has been hit by four major attacks killing almost one hundred fifty people pushing an already angry population to dispatch after more than sixteen years of violence and political turmoil why does the war look no closer to ending well speak with a panel of afghans to ask that question and here in the stream live on aljazeera and you tube be sure to send us your comments and questions and well try to get them into todays show before we started the conversation take a look at this video from our colleagues at a. J. Plus. You dont miss anything that goes along with. Along with you. As you just saw the afghan civilians are often the victims when bombs go off and elsewhere the war in afghanistan is complex attacks a carried out by groups including the taliban i still afghan officials often blame pakistans Intelligence Services for the violence u. S. President donald trump has stepped up talks are off the table and infighting in afghanistans government divides its attention caught in the middle. Of this ordinary Afghan People are putting increasing pressure on all of the players to end the conflict but how realistic a prospect is that he with us to discuss my son that is a former Senior Advisor to the chief executive of afghanistans unity government dr Abdullah Abdullah is also the former afghan ambassador to france and canada on skype in San Francisco california us ally is an independent journalist and the founder of documenting afghanistan that is an Online Platform for afghans to share their own stories see them and see them and kill is the cofounder and deputy c. Of hope for education and leadership in afghanistan or hello to short a youth n. G. O. Promoting Student Leadership in afghanistan and he lives in kabul but joins us today from the hague in the netherlands and in doha qatar. Is an online producer for out zero dot com she often reports on afghanistan and pakistan welcome everybody you may remember at the end of that little video from a. J. Pass it said what is going on in the country are rooting for your perspective a simple bright doubt whats going on. Well i mean. To say that theres no incentive. Or whether. Or or even people join you. So this is just. This is your home. This is somewhere thats very dear to your heart if you were trying to explain to somebody outside of afghanistan this last few weeks of extreme violence how would you tell them what was happening why its happening. Is that everyone is very sad about what has. But there is something that needs to be said to the world and it is that the wall thats finally come to a conclusion and theyre no no. To be blamed for of these things has to be there for all of the things that happened in the country and now the world and the International Community knows how to solve the problem and how to overcome this issue that is something of us. So i hear the hope in your voice but on line people are not so sure a moral directive three to you this is from. The most afghans their primary desire is to live and not to die for that to happen the war needs to end the war continues because there is no understanding there are in a stalemate both sides hang on to a delusional fiction that military victory is possible this is a stalemate according to this person what would you say about that for a Military Point of view its a stalemate from a political point of view i think that we have reached a new stage in the political process that involves not only afghanistan and afghans internally but also the region around afghanistan and the countries that feel that they have a big stake at what is happening in afghanistan and then globally with the big powers like the us china russia and many others who also consider themselves as stakeholders sob like the u. S. Nato or very deeply entrenched in afghanistan have been for the last seventeen years we have seen ups and downs in the Afghan People obviously had hopes that have not materialized so far and what needs to happen is to realize that we need we are at a defining moment meaning that we have to put the finger on what the cause of the root cause of the problem is and then we need to pull together and find creative and Realistic Solutions to the problems that exist whether they are again jus Political Security economic even and political as well i just stated the obvious. Well the obvious is not easy to deal with i may have stated the obvious but we need creativity this in seventeen years weve tried almost everything in the book nothing has really but you realized afghans are suffering more than ever before they do remember the last thirty forty years we have suffered every day during this over the occupation during collarbone the majority in every phase as had its own blood bath period right now the hopes that people have or being tested and i think that we need to rekindle hope and optimism in afghanistan instead of you know trying to deal with abstractions and things that are real cina i was checking out your twitter feed from the we cant this let out it may could not catch up with the death toll when reporting on the Suicide Attack in kabul today it was rising at a blazing speed every minute chilling how are you telling this story to an audience of been following it for seventeen years. I think this time around the situation in afghanistan is not just its not just about the attacks its also about how young people in afghanistan are actually feeling that theyre going to die any moment i mean it for me as a journalist its so shocking to be covering an event when Something Like there its a pattern whenever i see whether its in the summer or in the winter if we look at the recent years attacks like this happen one after the other one hundred killed its a pattern same thing happened last week a lot of people were killed in this attack before that intercontinental was under attack and i could not catch up with the numbers i was in touch with officers and they were giving numbers and hours late. For me when its so difficult to catch up on these numbers how would a pond in kabul who are actually facing that tax i deal in with it so its been happening its been happening for a while now but right now whats really sad is that the uplands are feeling the were going to die any moment and we need to be protected who is going to protect us so i trust the government. So why do you feel that way. I definitely feel that i was. There i was in kabul for her one day and when i was in kabul a different. Situation there was not as normal as it was before nothing was normal there the people the people who are very sad i couldnt see a smile a single smile on the face of. But lets deal with it wisely and the the wise. Think about. The solution that could be actually. And by this i mean that this is not only a National Issue this is not an issue that afghanistan and solve it but this is an issue that the International Community jointly should solve it and thats why i say the word hope i know that there are fear i know that there are the people are not happy i know that the people are going through a very bad situation and so am i and so other young afghans are going to the situation but i see that there is progress i see that the International Community is taking the right back to them it doesnt mean i just something i want to hear what that progress is give us one example. Yes so one of the biggest examples of the progress could be the u. S. Strategy of United States strategy for south east Southeast Asia and also afghanistan. I mean the country inside the country very involved young people have involved with the activities that carries young people in and all of them are very optimistic about the new strategy all of them are very happy about that because in the new strategy that supports afghanistan and that it could be the start off a chain that could be the start of an end to this terrorism and believed her. During that yeah people are very disappointed with the United States i mean its been you know next seventeen years here theres been you know nearly a trillion dollars spent you could pave the roads in gold and none of that sort of happened right like theres no incentive like i was mentioning earlier for youth to not join armed groups whether thats the end is all about the riots k. P. C. There is not some widespread kind of system being built to to try to you know could reach into the villages and help people with education or just basic needs so theyre not on the street begging and picking up garbage for a living so people are flooding out of this country right why why do we have so many people crowding in the lot of this country right now were all trying to get to the e. U. If thought things were going so great there then i am really absolutely i agree with the heroin on that because the attacks that weve been witnessing as journalists and of on living in the country i think it underscores the fragility of sixteen year United States military campaign and i mean despite the fact that theyve been fighting the taliban for so long my question here to mr omer here is that if were if we have to be creative about getting a solution to end this war what would it be i think we havent tried talking to the taliban yet from just recently said were not going to have a conversation with the taliban we i think in any case u. S. Is not winning their desk so i think that its a good question in the countries arena let me first say that i think reality. Lies somewhere between what both hold and sort of on said i think reality beans that a lot of work has been done enough on a stone we have seen progress in so many feel the spin reported Everybody Knows about it security has been one challenge and there is a reason for that reason is that there are groups of i phone or so that keep on fighting a. Those groups enjoy sanctuaries outside of afghanistan but they also or this this is fact dissatisfaction within the country and then there are there is weaknesses there are weaknesses institutional weaknesses corruption governance weaknesses as we talk in the political rifts that exist in society if you put all of this together its a black and white picture but the reality is great now coming back to you so much can i can i interrupt for a moment and ask you. Well ok so for the last sixteen seventeen years weve all known that whats going on inside of pakistan that theyre funding and arming you know what operations of militant activity inside of i want to start this is everybodys known this you know anybody from a farmer to even you know the president i was told in United States that this is going on so its been sixteen years here so with my sixteen years United States billions upon billions to pakistan so how is it that the United States didnt know this was going on entire time we thought reckless so now so that they all know that the policy is changing we are in the middle of a transition in policy its a five six month old policy it will take time i believe. I mean i can say that the problem for us now were going back to them to solve it for us this is a little bit strange to know well i mean i thought it well i dont think i dont know. I dont think the United States can be blamed for nine eleven and i dont think the United States can be blamed for creating this problem i think that there are regional players and regional dynamics that play afghanistan as a victim of geography and that means jew political. Movements in dynamics play a huge role in have an impact on what is happening inside afghanistan if you look at afghanistan history its all about is geography now if i may mr. Sharon as your question. Creative means that we have to set up an end goal the end goal is peace the end goal is to belittle insecure. Pretty therefore it means that we do reach that goal so far we have tried as i said before a lot of different options have been put under mr bush and. Mr obama in the new set of options with mr trump. So how do we reach the law i want guess we have a Live Online Community as well in this conversation so just pulls from it i can bring them back in many cases and you mention the end goal being peace and of course before we get to peace though there are People Living their daily lives and struggling with that and so we want to check in with them on how theyre going about that we got this comment via you tube some of this watching live for a novice does clearly the military cant solve the problem people should take action to overcome their challenges rather than just hoping things will get better clearly also this is someone who is not in afghanistan but people who are are doing things that are taking action in the way that they can this is a piece that you wrote sure enough in case i die its entitled why afghans keep notes in their pockets and you spoke to several people residents of kabul who are doing things like this theyre writing their names on notes i have pulled up one on my screen here to write his name where he was born his age so that what area so. If you look at the situation in a harness on right now its not just the attacks that the afghans are being killed and its also the drawings i have spoken to a lot of people lot of saying that their babies killed in drawing the sites that theyre also killed in protests by the police. This happened in the summer on june second when the when the protesters were demonstrating against the attacks in kabul so its not just its not just the attacks conducted by ice a lot of the taliban they dont feel safe in the country they think that any moment we will step out of the house and we can get killed we can i dont get shot in a protest we can either get killed in a drone or well get killed by and i still are a Taliban Attack so when i was talking to them about what the situation is in kabul in afghanistan in general and i was very shocked about the fact when they said we started carrying piece of paper is now with us in case something happens to us. Our families it would be easy for our families to know where we are and find out if they need blood theyll be able to find blood for us if we are injured the reason they said that was because there were many bodies in the recent attack. On the on the Diplomatic Area that were going on and they could not identify them so there are plans are actually scared about the fact that if we die its going to take them a lot of days to identify our bodies so we might as well just keep a few papers that continue we are in our pockets in our purses in our jerseys in places like that where they know where they would know we are so theyre kind of feeling the sense of get in the country which is very which is very sad and its and its a bit shameful as well that they dont feel. Any sort of protection from the government or from the troops in the country so she was yes youve just given us a reality check here for what it is like to live in kabul to live in afghanistan and live free those attacks let me show you this our mark as you pick up a story that weve been sharing on aljazeera amazing story of courage we call it how can they be helped its about a little fourteen year old boy this is a story that we have put it on in december its on facebook on aljazeera right now have a look. Thank. You. So much. And you want. To see the number of people there displaced by this conflict people online are pointing the fingers at some of those geo political actors that you talked about a little bit earlier omar this is a tweet we got from deep hockey says the perpetrators of terror attacks in afghanistan are mostly harbored and nurtured by pakistan were precisely the Pakistan Army units of sanctions on the pakistan generals and businesses run by that military and significantly reduce terror attacks in afghanistan thats one persons claim on the other side that we have this tweet from east and we heard from a little bit earlier who says the u. S. Should learn from pakistan how the peace can be brought to the conflict zone u. S. Continuous desire to invade transoceanic country the irresponsible destabilizing behavior and that must and so someones pointing the finger at pakistan another persons pointing the finger at the u. S. Haroon what do you make of those two comments ok well i would say its all about its not just the United States and russia or United States stormed or you know so we have china we have iran we have all these surrounding countries that are involved there saudi arabia included on that often either there are you know their favorite villains because very few heroes and on some left theyre mostly died and were martyred so what we are are people who made it through and these are. You know the people who were able to be bought people who were not bought by United States or somebody else didnt really have back backing to stand their ground and continued to be the strong men or whatever they are. Right now what youre seeing is the president a shovel money trying to push out some of these people who are still remnants of these kind of past days but we have all these Different Actors all these Different Countries playing their games instead of obama stunned with our blood. I think we can not blame the u. S. For the last year yes that we should let the u. S. And the International Community for the past sixteen years but for the last one year there has been significant their contribution has been very important you cannot just stay disciplined stay disappointed you cannot continue disappointment and thats not the right way to donald trump is not open just right. Pollutant our best interest in mind were very delusional i mean were not talking about. Not liking this either other than other things that he has done theyre talking about the interest of afghanistan the same house were talking about you know i dont personally holosuite so what it is that we dont how cretans an International Community i want to believe that this wont understand this we were going to have to work our own selfdetermined these type of things right create so sustainability we dont have those kind of so were just going to winding illegally in what im trying. To do here i mustnt im a little sort of get away from this blame game and looking at this issue from a black and one perspective. You know there are those who are trying to help and i think the Afghan People know whos there to help you or those who are trying to hurt and i think the Afghan People know whos there to hurt over all these years we have learned our lessons and their dogs who are big mistakes so deafened people also know whos making a mistake and so we have learned you have to learn from this so i said something earlier that i want to put in perspective no one has drawn this city no one has used a drone specifically on purpose against civilians civilians have been killed by drone attacks on occasion in certain parts of afghanistan but its and we have seen it all when. Its at the airport the drones have. And used specifically were against terrorist outfits along the border with pakistan if you look at the record in a urged everyone to look at the record you see that drones are being used and mistakes have been made but drugs will be used against terrorist outfits i let me just bring in howard who know how to use our hearing the story but youre right at the end of the show was that one point you were trying to make i have. What you were saying is that the United States hasnt killed people sort of kabul thats not accurate. This just happened if you. Will thats not accurate because just a year ago i did a report on how the. The drones actually attacked a civilian area and a lot of kids were killed in that area not a single terrorist was killed and i had actually investigated gneisenau said the man would actually be everyone knows that the mistakes of bin laden i mean lets move beyond what were trying to call isolated incidents because theyre not obviously you know she and her work has shown that this is a pattern but all you are mentioning the going to get out to make a point in going. On and wondered. And. Guess how tight for a minute were literally right at the end of the show hold tight because were going to have to take this conversation online ileka how people reacting to add a scotian will into this week from july of this is the only solution to peace in afghanistan is talks with the taliban and of course that is controversy itself so i know that that would lead to a whole other topic i mean this this conflict has been going on for seventeen years as no way in twenty five minutes we can dress all of the points but thank you. For bringing your best efforts and helping us understand it a little bit more from one of your perspectives now al jazeera is ongoing coverage of afghanistan is on a dedicated page to go to al jazeera dot com and search for aljazeera afghanistan thank you so much our conversation always continues a stream and i will see you there take everybody. 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