News continues keep it here on aljazeera inside story next and then more news after that. Yemen has further split with aid and under the control of southern separatists the internationally recognized government is confined to the president ial palace so how does that complicate the sound he led war against food fuel rebels and is yemen on the way to inevitable partition this is inside story. Me. Hello there in a war will come to the program im laura kyle yemen appears on the verge of disintegration with three major factions now battling over the fate of the country the internationally recognized government has been forced from its headquarters in aden by separatists seeking to carve out their own state in the south fighting broke out off the government ignored a separatist demand that the Prime Minister and his cabinet be dismissed Prime Minister ahmed obeyed been done always widely blamed for Food Shortages in the region its a major blow to a present of a drop in months or has a whos already battling hoofy rebels in the north it was those signals divisions in the Saudi Led Coalition whose support is essential to hardys war efforts the saudis back had but the allies the United Arab Emirates have thrown their weight behind the southern separatists. Its complicated yemen is deeply divided with several groups fighting for control who the rebels have been battling the government for years in two thousand and fourteen they took control of the capital sanaa in the countrys north the internationally recognized government is backed by the air power of the Saudi Led Coalition and up until this week it ruled from the port city of aden but thats now in the hands of a third faction southern separatists supported by the United Arab Emirates south yemen was an independent country until one nine hundred ninety and nationalist sentiment remains strong al qaeda and other armed groups are also active in the region holding pockets of territory in the north and the south so lets take a closer look at the separatists well theyre loyal to the Southern Transitional council s. T. C. And want the restoration of an independent south the s. T. C. Was formed in may last year by a former governor of aden i dont. Have been ousted by the government over accusations of disloyalty until recently the government and the s. T. C. Have been united against a common enemy the whos the rebels but the battle over aden represents a new split in the already fractured country. Well here to help us make sense of all of this our guests in london are a chef. Gammon project coordinator for the International Human rights group the premier also a former member of yemens National Dialogue from two thousand and twelve to two thousand and fourteen and from washington d. C. Now bill corey a former deputy chief of mission with the u. S. Embassy in yemen a very warm welcome to both of you carol weve got the Prime Minister and his government holed up in the president ial palace at this stage do you see it likely that theyre actually going to leave the city of aden i dont think so i was in touch with. Earlier today and yesterday they confirmed again but they are not giving them what seems to be the situation right now is that they are still in the government the government because the president ial palace they are confined to two districts among a than eighty eight districts and theyre waiting to hear back from the president in the uk who is currently meeting with the prime really with the with the with the saudis and. Until then theyre waiting to hear to hear what whats next for the situation is basically have been escalating since two years both groups the president ial forces and the s. T. C. Forces have overlapping control over the city and theyre actually not always anything with. Each other and efforts to merge them together have repeatedly repeatedly failed one group is backed by the u. A. E. And that the s. B. C. And the other is back in support of the us why by saudi arabia. I think it was inevitable to happen because simply you cannot have two forces controlling the same area and then eventually the right ok now to bring you in there because i want to know why efforts to merge these two groups have failed why the sepsis now want to bring down the hardy government. Well as said there have been tensions between these two groups its a question of leadership it was a question of taking control of an area but frankly i dont think either side can take full control in the end this is a failure on the part of heidi if there were any doubts remaining of his lack of competence and lack of leadership these events should shed these doubts he is a man of the south and if in the south he cannot lead and he cannot appeal to people to be unified then he cannot lead anywhere and this fig leaf of legitimacy should now be totally removed ok but it was an easy alliance wasnt it not pale because had he might be a man at the south but he wanted unity in yemen and thats time actually a pace of course to what the sudden succession is wild im not sure that he really wants unity i think he is. Content to stay in riyadh and be well fed and taking care of he presides over a corrupt government. Since he supposedly was legitimately elected he has brought nothing he has contributed nothing to the country hes been a disappointment to everybody even to his closest supporters and advisers he should just step aside and frankly i dont think although on the surface this looks like a proxy war between saudi arabia and u. A. E. The i think there is actually connivance between the two the saudis have not really lifted a finger to help their proteges mr hardy and i think theyre probably in agreement with the us to let them saw some kind of a state. In the south that would be presided over by a puppet government led by isabeau the ok heres a really interesting point i want to get on to the saudi youre a alliance in just a moment just before we do that but i want to pick up on what now bill was saying about how do you agree that hes essentially checked out that hes quite happy sitting there in riyadh to let the south sort itself out on its own or do you think hes going to come to the Prime Minister there i mean i partially agree and partially disagree i think had the support a petrol a. Million issues that was you know able to to to return to basically there hasnt been and mounting challenges including himself being prevented to answer that if you paid. Him by the by the f. C. C. And to remove tensions he decided to go to europe until. Further discussion between the two groups something fruitful and that didnt happen so i do agree with him that he takes. The blame or even huge part of the blame for many of the of the events and his inability to these in these i think crucial a crucial certain stance is how were going. In because the legitimacy the main issue is that there is no other legitimate or a clear political process that can say this is we are point a with handy and this is where were going to go until point b. And until that happens has it will remain we remain a president and it is a complicated situation unless we have a clear plan of how are we going to elect a new leadership. Of the country similar to what happened in twenty eleven and twelve when you see the steps in and provided at least some of them out with your mouth about a transitional process. That this is not the case right now right now you have fighting in the in the north with the with these you have tensions in the in the in the south and we have also been seen frontlines active frontlines where clashes are are happening so i think this is whats happened is and further complicate. The situation and doesnt help if anyone wants to calling for having to remove what happens even complicates it further and doesnt help even it will have to be removed any time soon lets look at the u. A. E. And saudi and the size of their backing probably why is it that the emirates has thrown its weight behind the sudden sat protests i mean has been trying to recruit or pushing to acquaint southern militias who are acting independently of the saudi about forces for the best part of the last a year so why is it chosen that particular side im not sure why specifically that they thought that but the u. S. The. A lot a lot of this trust to many of the members of the last part was very influential player in the current dynamics in yemen theyre very close to the. I have decided to join the fight against against against the fiftys now the usa do share with them that goal and with the with the saudis as well they do agree that they are all of them together and to see that the usa in addition to the ones that results where i think islam would be a dominant player in the in the current in the in the future in the future of yemen in the south the sea now is the most influential power with the consumerist consuming supportively way the course that would weaken islam and the other on the other hand the other groups however the problem is that this approach is unsustainable it doesnt help to whenever the governments will is close to bringing some stability to the ground and earlier this month in general the Prime Minister announced the system your budget which is for the First Time Since three years an announced that the parliament would need to approve the budget so we were trying to bring some. Order at the local level very simple basic basic order these tensions arise so i think at the long run we are the considerations of points of further and other groups outside of the strait state structure will definitely weaken the state ok the bail given if you suggested the idea that saudi anyway and are in agreement here would you then follow up that saudi would support the s. T. C. And abandon had the and and what is essentially the legal the in flash to recognize government of yemen. I think. The saudis are trying to find a face saving way of dumping had the. Saudi leadership and the u. A. E. Is for that matter are both very opaque and hard to judge what their real intentions are they certainly dont tell you that in their oficial pronouncements but sometimes lack of action lack of even verbal support tell you a lot in a situation where heidi is being totally excluded from the south and his government is holed up in a small area in the president ial palace and other than there has been very lukewarm support from saudi the spokesman even suggested that perhaps had the all to listen to the mans of the south really i mean this is not something new he should have been listening to them a long time ago the u. A. E. Has thrown its military support behind the bady the saudis have not of course the saudis dont have any soldiers in yemen but they do have mercenaries under their control and these are not being mobilized to help the side therefore and there is strong friendship between m. B. s and how mad been tried in the u. A. E. And i doubt that they are working at cross purposes here i think they are talking every day and i think that the saudis are probably going to eventually lead statelet in the south to be formed and hope that they can press the war against the north and eventually establish a Northern State that they can live with along their borders i mean this is a country where allegiances shift all the time but if we look back the saudis we. Pushed for the unity of yemen back in one nine hundred ninety s. That would be quite a turnaround wouldnt it for them to now support the separatists but perhaps they see that as the better option when they want to fight the who sees in the north. Yes i mean at this point its very hard to maintain unity in yemen certainly there are hasnt emerged a yemeni leader in Nelson Mandela lets say who can really through charisma and strong appeal unite the people and keep them together lacking that the emirates and the saudis are not able to influence yemeni politics that much and certainly do not appeal across the board i think you know in addition to to it is failure as a National Leader one has to say that they are of color ssion has failed and saudi leadership they have after three years of using all the mercenaries that money can buy using the best military equipment that they bought from the u. S. And the u. K. Thats all they have to show after three years is a divided country in chaos. Color are spreading diptheria malnutrition the country is in such a mess that if this is the new leadership that we expect in the gulf and the arab world i must say were in pretty bad shape ok because as you say after three years of this fighting if we look at the map that we saw a little earlier at the beginning of the program we see the saudi forces heidi force a Saudi Led Coalition do control the vast majority of yemen but if you peel back that top layer will find what mean that its actually controlled by a patchwork of tribes such is the nature of yemen so one wonders and perhaps one needs to ask how strong those tribal loyalties are now to the hiding government. Well i mean for a long time the forces well i think the fusees sure one common goal there are. Many of them dont join for many different many Different Reasons if you if you come to the southern movements they want to push the because they see them as northerners whereas the invaded. If you talk about the trouble british in the north they view them as simply as people from outside again outside their immediate territory and our pushing them out of there out of their area so there are many different interests and why this coalition that. Came together however i think the problem is that there is a lack of a clear Political Leadership from whole spectrum to say this is our vision to young men moving forward. Since thats not the case you need a vacuum and that vacuum gets filled with many different ideas another another and then you have many groups you can say like i have my own plan and i can just. Push forward with the s. T. C. They they felt that with the Current Movement of dozens the Prime Minister he is trying to more control over there theyre the way you went to you when you went to a lot of the news trying to mobilize support around the government and the final thing is that when he or the parliament actually held the sessions and fight and fight inside a tent it would wear them again up which they felt again. Their vision toward independence it will make things so i think further complicated but the again when we talk about the humanitarian situation we talk about the complication we need a functioning state the the problem is that there is no clear political process. By any of the people and in the International Community it was or two pm and during the transition in this critical congresswoman everyone. Its like they have abandoned the abandon the country and theyre waiting for some miracle to happen barak and i think jump in there because i know that youre talking about this clear vision you remember of the National Dialogue in the years between the uprising in two thousand and eleven and the start of the war. Until two thousand and fourteen was that a missed opportunity to settle southern succession as the monks for one thing to create this clear political vision that youre now saying the country said desperately needs. Well the National Dialogue did to you whether it was worth it to come up with a draft constitution the problem is the ones we were supposed to vote for or coming constitution that we see staged a coup against against the against the government and dragged unfortunately the entire country into it into a civil war and until today were all on. That civil war and this is the problem and this is what the problem i think the National Dialogue brings out a clear vision for how humans should look like a clear vision into how the federal system would. Work how does the system with the balance of power between regions and the central and the central and the Central Government but its only a fact if we had this we were able to get it through through where referendum and thats not the case and the advancements of by the International Community to back now prove that quite clearly and strongly like they did from the year two thousand and eleven until two thousand and fourteen makes things further complicated doesnt make things work didnt help when theyre all waiting for some report to happen by saudis or by that youre eighty and say well by the way heidi is weak and the and the and the country and the country is now bill for a. Little mentioned earlier this is the worlds worst humanitarian crisis that were seeing in yemen to this war how is this new split this new level of violence going to be affecting aid operations which were already severely hunters in the country i mean the population is already on its knees well again i mean i seem to be blaming everybody here first the failure of her the second the failure of the head of call ition and saudi leadership and now the u. N. And the world the International Community has led yemen down. Starting with the trumpet ministration here in the u. S. They have shown zero. Caring about the yemeni people and their suffering and if they had the slightest bit of concern they would have pushed for a strong diplomatic solution and believe me with with a strong american backing and pressure on the saudis they could bring this war to an end and they could go back to a negotiated solution now look you know but it is part of a new vibrant and very promising generation in yemen there are young yemeni men and women who are leaders of Civil Society or are leaders in the media and who are spreading the word about whats going on in yemen theyre doing a very good job i commend them unfortunately it doesnt seem to be their time yet to take over the reins of power in yemen the problem with the National Dialogue at the time conducted by u. N. Envoy here malbon or maher is that is it was concerned with the constitution with refinements but there was no real power breaking power brokering arrangement to get everybody the main leaders of those who counted who had soldiers on the ground to agree on how they were going to share power once you need that first then you can come up with the most beautiful constitution you want and you should promote the new generation in yemen. But im afraid the time has not yet come and we are looking at a few more years of bloodshed in suffering would you agree with that there were long way off from any sort of resolution here and that the longer the war carries goes on the more likely we are going to see the breakup of yemen. Well i mean i agree that i think were not any arent close to a. Sense solutions so clear and sustainable. And sustainable solution the conflict the still still on going but again we cannot just wait. Wait and see and say thats thats thats the other thats the end of it it wasnt a similar situation i was reminded that maybe in twenty twenty ten when everyone felt like the father is handing over power to his son and the country is doomed and theres nothing to do to do about it it took two conditions given took a lot of effort and then the International Community stepped in and strongly that act back to a clear process between twenty twelve and twenty twenty forty so i think the burden relied on the same groups who were able one to mobilize themselves in twenty eleven to come together and say now this is the time to come to come together with a clear plan the difference with young men that we have some sort of a plan we have some sort of an idea how to move from the Current Situation to a federal asset that will system we need to support the local and the local them at the local level so they can support and having a functioning and law and order at the local level and i think then i think in the in the future if the southerners were still unsatisfied then they can have the right sort of random but from the region from their point a until that time we need a lot of work and we need a strong commitment and strong word even by the International Community what seems to be happening right there and you can tell me that in her allergies the cunning in the air in her affects the People Matter listening and well take action on your advice many thanks both of you for joining us today for a very interesting discussion indeed siobhan and now bill horry. 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