Or not tobar after his government declared and dependents in a referendum world illegal by madrid. There are the headlines the news continues on aljazeera after inside story that are. African Union Leaders have been holding a summit in the ethiopian capital corruption conflict and funding for the fifty five member bloc tops the agenda. Bring in much stated reforms this is inside story. My. Hello there welcome to the program im laura kyle the African Union has been around and subdural from the early fifty five years a symbol of African Unity in the postcolonial decades but its faced many challenges in this new era where corruption and conflict continue to dominate the headlines is new chief rwandan president paul kagame a says africa is running out of time to save itself from permanent deprivation he made the comments of the a use annual summit in ethiopia well as his focus is fighting corruption Economic Commission for africa says the constant news is one hundred forty eight billion dollars a year due to graft thats why the a u has declared two thousand and eighteen african anti corruption. Well get to our guests in just a moment but first mohamed the story up for us from a use headquarters in addas ababa. One issue that dominated talks of the African Union summit is the heart of institutional and financial reform of the African Union these are feeling that the party continental body needs to get more robust and independent in its financing so that it can make its own independent positions another issue thats really dominated here the talks here is corruption there is a feeling that it has reached some untenable hates fifty billion dollars is mostly in the continent every year through illicit outflows and these are feeling among African Leaders that its time to talk about it. Because that is needed to create hope for the thousands upon thousands of young people who are living the continent in search of hope but looking at the composition of the African Union membership some of these leaders have come to power through fraudulent elections and many are skeptical whether they can come up with an images that can adequately tackle corruption in the continent. Well they. May have to implement certain reforms during his tenure as chairman hes pushed for Member States to pay a zero point two percent tax on imports from outside africa to make a you less reliant on foreign aid about hoffas fifty five countries have signed up the Reforms Commission has discussed shopping a focus to a few areas and reevaluating its many smaller bodies to reflect that there was a wants to encourage more unity across the continent through an african passport and African Youth groups and the Commission Wants to adopt a process to make sure members abide by the a use decision. Ok lets bring in our guest now and joining us in dhaka adama gaye a west africa analyst and in a buddha a gem bay a lawyer and former director of North Central zone Civil Liberties organization of a warm welcome to both of you adama the a you its been criticized as inefficient dysfunctional and irrelevant to most africans welcome is reform package correct that look that is really not just an impression but facing that is a very deep shit bailiff for us. But we need to do it and the other side of the. To date at least we did African Union to continue as a voice studies that in existence the whole world look up to the African Union in article has the idea opinion of the continent take an example recently when mr trump accused in a very negative turns million african country is the African Union at least two got by sending a message to him by diplomatic and mediated voices and that led somehow to mr trump reverting back and saluting the african country means that you can also take into account some of the other achievement by the African Union suggest that despite that ignore all that accept constitutional changes in the conditions that military rule is now almost objecting to the dustbin of history in africa and at least this time around even during have to implement it then come up with some ideas of informed including the financing of the organizations activities by african nations then sense so its that half full glass and now its necessary to fill the other side of the glass by african countries themselves and the other guy union as a task achieved with mr khatami coming to that and i suspect that maybe we can see some of the course and changes coming up ok do you agree with that other. Larger firm mr carr government is right. The royal african you know has been played. Recently or has been some improvement on what it used to be but mr khatami is wrong totally wrong where you prove that when you are certain that the African Union the perception of the africa you number africans are joan dramatically tough not because one of the cardinal. Objectivity of certain of the African Union is about fifty years of existence which is the promotion of Peace Security and stability in the african continent has not been achieved in most very many african countries starting with nigeria there is massive destabilisation of the populace in the not is we had the boko haram consistently page in the social life life of the people in the place between two thousand and fifteen and now theres been some appreciable improvement in the security of loss of property in the not is but that has been replaced by is the climate of instability in the North Central and also part of the not is i talk about this like terrible like a ben when this North Central plateau and the rest so theres a climate of insecurity even here in nigeria and conduct there otherwise i would say that is why has the failed on that count. Well one of the reasons why you do within the air you part are played some more fundamental role is that theres be Muslim Movement in and out of nigeria korea thousand other african countries within the sub region. In a manner that if the african you know where strong where you are active and a vision that should have been able to stop the Free Movement of terrorists from one country to the other that really the integration that you want to see the cop pressure on you all to have theme in them checkmate in the activities of terrorists across this area has not been achieved and while this too because one of the cardinal another cardinal. Principle upon with your objective of we did he was found i mean the africa you know of form has also not been achieved and that is the integration of the economies on peoples of the african nations so to that as then mr khatami cannot claim wholesales victory of achievement in the area of integration in the area of percentage perception in the manner that the african nationals or to begin to come into ok i think that while the africa the africa union has done some work there is still throw much more to be done that the African Union ought to admit it are filled in doing ok so donna weve got the package of reforms announced like a government one of them is to increase efficiency do you think that will then in turn allow it since basso address its main aim its core aim which is peace and security for the continent. This is the voice of just not for a magic. Unfortunately one of the listen i didnt intend it to. Be limited to the. Two issues the negativity the nation which is not only. I think that there are other places in africa but there are going around the places within africa that are very unstable and face huge conflicts that many places that are unstable we have slavery happening in libya we have a migration we have chorus in we have that peace and security challenges those things that exist we are not going to hide them that we have to look at the facts in order to challenge them but if you look at the African Union today at least its a box that is accepted and that voice needs to come up with solutions in two thousand to the organization was created but the army if you look up with a cold war and it there were no mechanism for peace and security challenges nothing to address who did but still see started being changed in one thousand nine hundred twenty eight at the care summit of the you mechanism were put in place in order to learn to what is down to peace and security mechanism that the african you know that the upside is as it is called you have also since nine hundred ninety nine in the ugliest summit of the former you that decision to do a military coup makers but we are far far away into ability or the problems of the continent africa is not to get along in studying these problems because not forget it is the charter of the United Nations that is monday in the uk you Article Organization of african of you do you have to listens to address peace and security in the world well after cutting the people both believe you need to bring the un you need to put in place there because it and you need about or to make sure that we put money from africa in order to have those forces that will replace peace and security that. I do want to somehow most of the funds out of syria and and once. First of all let me just put this one point to you adela because a common observation of the a you that theres no shortage of solutions being found around the negotiating table in ad is ababa but the problem is implementing them in countries across the continent. Yes thats true too implementation is for up have been always the big problems not just of the African Union but if you did her organization used to be i doubt it that of course so i wrote a lot of implementation have been seen as been seen as one of the big problems but not enough about it and also they have also a Public Opinion that is existing that is pushing them to telling them that you are just a talking shop youre losing your wallet. You have been a failure nobody respects you so you have to become effective and then people of your proceeds if you want to be respected by the african countries but i think that we need to start by doing things at the lower but were going to score in we didnt need your help when youre in balance language parlance subsidiary level within the nations of the African Union death fifty four if you look at moro side fifty five and if you look at the. African union this is a tension of numbers of states but those are the entities there need to be effective first of all thats happening you need to set up competent people to grounding organisations and also you need to ensure that democratically bids because if we dont have democracy going to the best and the practice the talented and really in a sense of the future it is still the state of the cup i dont think that we did it but i am not that kind of puts a withdrawal of the baby with the bus i write that the African Union now is just to become hockey fifty fifty and if it does so i believe it got a gift because there is good we from the International CommunityEverybody Knows that ive yet to make lets put on targets of the world eleven out of three thousand that have as i want to bring you and have adama just mention good well for me its not a point in wanting to say be a year on the sixteenth but on the issue of. One thing which is one issue when its a cessna discussed im wondering if theres going to be an assistance from the International Community on avian taking control of its own things the u. S. The u. K. Each linage a plan russia or major contributors to the aid in this budget because they then get a say in African Affairs so they can speak happy to relinquish control maybe before i respond to the question of funding which is fundamental to how the African Union is going to be pursued from now Going Forward i just want to respond to the comment by my friend from the car he started by saying the problem with nigerian intellectuals i do not think he was responding to the comments i had made those are views that he has held before today and therefore the generalization i would let it pass however some of the commissariat made simply validate the file that the African Union has not performed or to mali and the problems even in america indications that the African Union can do more i do agree completely that it is not our place to put down the African Union is to encourage the African Union to do what is right and when we talk about the funding of the reforms the problem is that a gunman is proposing they are key if you do not have the funding to implementor you have to go cap in hand begging to be able to implement a program that will help your people that on its own creates a problem of perception it weakens your ability to speak truth to power we believe that the african nations members of the African Union are cut people off point in their activities of the African Union if you like brass some of the things that militate against the ability to fire on the African Union one of them being corruption and it is good that africa you know has recognized that corruption in african nations is a key problem that is why the president Mahmoud Abbas article real them is. In promoting that hes been given the opportunity to speak to the African People about the question of fighting corruption now in terms of also the management of resources in terms of Capacity Building in terms of development of human infrastructure i mean the Human Capacity of of africans to be able to deal with the issues how much of our budget go into this these are the Critical Issues that when african nations gather around the table they should be able to tell themselves that prompt truth that we need to do more we are to be able to deal with this issue because the kind of peer review or mechanism for their citizens understand that because this idea of a getting zero point two percent laissez attacks on imports from outside of africa and every country can ship basing this amount. Of the set aside countries have signed up so this is this something thats going to work to fund a year now that shouldnt be a problem because if you have to have five countries signing on that are five countries that are committed to do three fronts to ensure that it works i am sure that between nigeria. South africa quite a number of the african countries that have the capacity to even so part the a you i believe that the thirty five thirty five nations are modern enough to be able to show that reforms are cheap it is the a commitment it is what they see as the need for it to be done now quite a number of african countries dont see dont appear to see the African Union as the first line of defense for instance that african countries the first deal with france before they talk about africa or the african countries why do we have that because the strength of the African Union is not as it should be i mean it can be so that we have a fricken solutions to african problems at every point in time that is not to say we are so let us nor country under the sun today can. Stand on its own we need to do business was our continents of the world however do we know that we should be able to do it with respect we big need to be able to speak where we are to speak not because we are to live and ive done a lot im free man is going to get it done that and this moving moving it on a little bit were looking at present paul kagame of course hell ever wonder out of genocide. Is he the right man for the job ive been with hes been called a village chief trying to use a village style method in the city and that this doesnt wash that people are unhappy that he hasnt been console seven nuff with the a you are process is that true adama i think mr tunney we may know is a valid and effective leader and he has shown the since he took the realities country one day after the genocide in april ninety ninety four clear the years membership in the vatican we the country and hes dead even goods by brigade economic achievements even though the simpson and nick and public of the country still maybe. Also democratic just like that but for him to take over at a time when the African Union needed this as an actual action to deliver on the policies of reform and the financing of the organization is a good city but he needs a constant people not just the heads of states not just the International Community if you talk ordinary People Like Us because you cant do it can make integration without the people you have to do it with them but so far the good thing is that with the change in time what we have seen happening now in the African Union is that at least theyre talking of things that matter to people two years but you never heard African Union talking about democracy you never hear them talking about fighting corruption thats. That is that rationalization of the activities of the organization looking at peace and security at this desolate what and the second one comes at the right time when it comes now to the funding let me talk about something and egypt because when i was there we had difficulties even getting our salaries because there was no problem ican is in on a voluntary contribution by status but of course instituted but first this is living from importation of goods from outside the region and thats how today the cost is being properly funded for a listing salaries and that is the model that the African Union is spotty i believe it is a slow takeoff but with the support of mr khatami with this decision and with the understanding by the african nations that they cannot continue dating from other people and has a pot ok program them to fund the building of their headquarters like the chinese empty handed and look spying that echo headquarters of the African Union are counting on that of the european nations that guided agenda of the organization i think now with a leader who is that a party and a well organized myself and resident present i believe we can now begin the serious thought that the African Union needs in order to go forward to action ok other is the time right now i mean program is that he says that the time to change is now there is not urgency felt across the continent that there is a sense of urgency across africa because if you see the level of migration from africa i do risk us with africans are taken to be able to cross the far i desire to be able to make it to europe you know there isnt just to with which the african you know must reform african nations must begin to think of how to ensure that there is Sustainable Development in. In africa to ensure that up with the number of africans i have been lost on the trail of the militant really healthy through the Sahara Desert in the last twenty to thirty years perhaps put together could be more than the number of africans who died in the transfer her and Transatlantic Slave Trade there is this all just there with which african nations and leaders must therefore i believe the most noble mr paul krugman which is a spirit particularly User Experience in bringing to an end the genocide in rwanda and the level of progress randa has made in this number of years is a position to be able to assist to cooperate with other provide leadership to of other african countries to be able to see the science of projects which with africas most art in any case the level of instability in africa today has been out of the level of the with the tide that we have not been able to get our governance in this is right once we do that africa should be a better place and i think a shoo in did be the best place in the world to reside down as a one year from now can we expect. To be different well weve been seeing a new African Renaissance you know we can see the scene of the day dreaming and i dont see the things that mistakenly maybe. The god of the messiah will come and fix these problems the problems are so intense people are the city and the brain and you can do simple beating at the African Union. Proclamation about change because they want the tent they want the international themselves into power law to really work the people but at this the mere fact that theyre realizing that were no longer going to keep this is a good thing and that is the thought that African People. As a community where they. Putting their money good people more and more being money to deliver the goods that they expect for the continent democrats see Good Governance infrastructures and to make sure that africa is not the brightest it could allies but other than beloved agent world bank i read all the Important Missions by that their partners china European Countries you never said you did it so mr khatami made plain rude but not what is generally said as a whole would handwrite the african continent if its all going to be good just part of the tradition but the whole sedition to be democratic in the senate i dont implement that at all levels and everything subsidiaries eleven within the nations so that the African Union would just be somehow. Britta of the vision and the dream of going to the fore i was. Not and i think we do know that the leaders got sent it im afraid we have run out of time very enticing debate between the chevy said thank you very much taking time to join us here on inside story adamic i and. Agenda. Thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website thats aljazeera dot com and further discussion to get her Facebook Page thats facebook dot com for slash a. J. And side story you can also join the conversation on twitter i have less as a. J. Inside story from me laura carl and the whole team have a spy for now. 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