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The shoot of Climate Change remains the most pressing challenge for us in cuba this. Rising sea levels have already taken a village on one of your islands do you see the possibility of all the people who care about us one day having to leave got here i dont know why its a part of any kind of a homicide in that. You know. For those of us on the front line it really does not matter what hes agreed to and. Because we will continue to go into what. What you just saw was a tape from. A new documentary exploring the real world effects of Climate Change specifically on the small nation of us check out this video produced in december twenty fourth. It explains how rising sea levels have affected the livelihoods of the islands one hundred thousand residents. Its an island nation halfway between australia and hawaii roughly the size of the United States but only two percent of it is land. Is just three meters above sea level some of these are already under water and half of the population has fled to the tiny capital itself which now has one of the highest population densities in the world. The government has begun a program to train citizens in skills like nursing or mechanics that would make them attractive to other countries and its even bought a large chunk of land in neighboring fiji which says its willing to host population so will the rest of the world start paying attention before the people. Become the first wave of refugees fleeing from the rising sea. In a studio. Climate Displacement Program manager at the washington d. C. Based Advocacy GroupRefugees International many. Thanks amy i am its you of course know that the chicks circular logic right now a little cold but were breaking it for supporting topic and it kickstarts arms was this was partially kickstarter find another world through me or was once writing for audience what it was that inspired me to make this film the first place one of the first minister i can compute it passed and. To talk with someone fourteen and i was amazed by whats happened there i mean theyre losing it and. I start questioning myself about zero sum shit between people and whats going to happen for people and everything so then i you know i wanted to make some movies like this character says i wanted to salute. Just just oh its just so you can not make another plan its this movie was nice and if youre just giving us numbers and. So when it starts feeling something that isnt on for like three years everywhere is going on there well thats. Maybe shes a mother of six thats not a little hole on land was because you keep a story about me this is a talking about characters that touch our heart that he of course you know thats well president on you are a former cast of the stream you were last on the show and twenty fifteen each star already its hard as well i know that but why does important for you to be a part of this or lead me to these quite frankly i wouldnt bet you can signal you told me that you wanted to go through my step to school here you know now i really was not aware that shots were being taken a lot of the shots in the film i know nothing and so my entire focus was doing the job that i was doing and seeing that im sort of for the first time really see. So i its not something that im acting out im actually doing working that sometimes messing with in my face when im talking to get well and i swear thats only. But i really. I mean i will show you this pizza here its a production photograph the matthys team took and theres so much blue in killer brass its really hard to tell where the sea ends and where the sky begins but this is im not even exaggerating here an apple cut apocalyptic story matthew how did you convey that this is potentially the end of the world for the people who live in care of us they can see it coming how do you do that. So you know i really focus on the photograph yeah i think the islands themselves one character i mean i really it showed some grins ireland to to bring that to the chances in dramas as ive been doing there but. Going for them a stunning photograph in a country is really torture is out and building a very strong sons cable so its just having a we can sense of whats happening there but its really its an amazing experience to do risky bets because you hands are told is basically seen in you know just separate things according to news of the pacific its just its just its just a very very special place and youre going to theyre going to lose a place so some useless and chants of hopes to basically shows the police are going to lose and the issue we have was in cuba maybe we dont have enough of the kind of his movie its like its very sort of legs or whether its raising it slowly slowly slowly was like i didnt want to make it and i couldnt make like those dramatic can of genesis movie where you select storm and draw it and ever since it is a very very john mattick so its a solo movie but its coming its coming very slow i want to bring up a couple tweets to me before we get too much further into the conversation because i think these are really apps for rape now and we got one from paul i want to share this with their id like to hear paul says where is here about us and he mentions i might seem ignorant but hes not the only one who asked that question so with that in mind we got this tweet from back and this is what backside more aware and this should be raised in my opinion most people dont know that your boss even exists let alone that it slowly being swallowed by Global Warming so you questions their former president are those questions that you are if simply no i and how do you answer that how do you know that its not and you crashed and i keep coming through every time i come through. Different countries. Possible in general are not what is this so its not you this room was set. Up to challenge that we have tears. In focus of the force on the part of this no nobody knew or cared about you can opt out of the world being that whats happened here bears so i had to make that statement to the United Nations general assembly. So weak and so yes and i think out of the campaign and i think this you doing what you want to for us has been times do i dont know what is happening and im glad to say youre somebody stand thats the guy after what you did to work. And we still are not getting the kind of action thats needed you know that the best shot so we still. Got it you know i think its so valuable to really focus in on you know whats happening in specific places like care about us and to bring in the cultural aspect. You know its not just the loss of you know a land mass or an island its a peoples its a culture because that person was personalize it in a way that sometimes is really difficult to do because people will see numbers ill see you know millions of People Living on the coast of bangladesh will be affected and they only see the numbers and they dont see you know who the people are who the individuals are so films like this to a bring a really Important Message to the public who you know their eyes glaze over when they read the paper and they look at you know four Million People displaced by you know this event or that and so so its really valuable what youre going to do with the film and take it around and show the culture and the unique culture what were losing thats been around for thousands of years i mean thats the other part too that is just so tragic you cant just pick people up and move them somewhere else. I mean you know as the president now is and can tell us i mean people are their land and that story is just so important to bring to the broader public im just wondering what options that. Mr president one of the options that comes up in the film is International Community we cannot do they spy asked souths you went to the u. N. In geneva and this is what you told them how to look so the next step is is the Global Community willing to come forward as discounts are willing to to make a contribution towards. Getting some real action on the ground so that we can give some sense of comfort some sense of security to our people who do we appeal to and turn to for our peoples right to survive and the challenge of Climate Change and so let me pose that question again because i dont believe there is any authority who can answer that question for us to be and we need that authority what is the future for us mr president do you have a question yet who do you a penalty now where its being a question thats being tossed around i mean we. Are is agreement but i think we wont accept that. Nobody has accepted life and responsibility for that next and i think this is what remains to a good week and the press that. Forest the bears agreement might mean a great deal because regardless of what levels of mission we cut it into zero our future is still very much in jeopardy so that question remains one of the assets to and i mean only talk about help from the International Community and what others can do of course one of the other topics that came up really themes that came up in the stirrups was migrating with dignity but you are seventy five people as a film i receive cities as you go to new zealand and you try to close the light and times of one of those people i want to tell us about how you tell her story and what struck you about her story so good about that program. So i. Use it to help me just fine is a key the names of the people so our sons are some truly evil characters some very well you know all the time in the program so we had to develop since these very last four years. In ulysses s. And the new life is absolutely i mean was not as a life long is basically they dont they dont have to care about money that all have to care what went on how to care about you know you know like the system is free so its also the. Consequence from things themselves to go to the new and you want to know really things thats when you come across that movie and im so glad that we can really captures a woman doing it in that time because its really giving a real example of what is the its to do its and bring and make that sometimes miss its most strongly because everyone can relate to. A specific search. As it resonates with me when mispresent said migrating with dignity thats exactly right i mean this is part of a product debate were having right now globally about migration and about refugees and its incredibly important. Again to have a film like this that describes what thats like because there is unfortunately a migration anti refugee rhetoric and again we forget these are individuals these are humans these are these are people and what is the experience and how do they need to be protected and assisted its you know as you may know the people who are forced to forcibly displaced because of Climate Change do not fall within protection of the refugee framework so if they arrive on another you know leave their country and arrive in another country they cant seek asylum they have no right under the Refugee Convention so the new zealand courts have addressed this issue theyve been somewhat sympathetic to it and now we have new zealand coming forward with us this range meant to do this which is incredibly important and you know my question back to you mr president is whether you think this new initiative by new zealand is going to be a way forward i mean by seeing countries finally stepping up and doing something do you think this will perhaps encourage other countries to follow suit. Well i think its its really that kind of response that i think challenging the international right you need to come up and im not a particle this is a country of cynic and you accept. But the missions that ive been standing obviously into the entire International Community and the only response up to now has been from. A stop buying land and. Let me give you just that no choice but to begin to think that they have to accept it but the message coming forward for us really is really loud and clear in the recent days if and when you get the sense of wonder that people get this and its going to have nowhere else to go as a result its a consequence of the impacts of Climate Change in fiji walks up to new zealand this coming or whether or not you think this is the kind of inevitable response that this has to come to get done distortion we are finding ourselves the biggest mistake we read and i think its sort of it used to deny that but he said youre not going to. Set the policy that i do not need to buy person with you could essentially eat for election rather than waiting for things to happen and then spend on people will become indeed become climate refugees yet guys theyre not prepared theyre not ready so its about using a little bit of common sense to see whats going on and youd like to avoid repeating i know that there is a lot of. Denial that we dont want to migrate but i think that is the choice for the individual to make but as a government as leaders we have theirs once ability to power them to be able to know that the able to make that choice if they choose to save and thats their choice but its there that you have to stay behind because they dont have the best you can trust them with resources then we should accept response now is im so glad that you brought that up because youre actually thinking along the same wavelength of our community a little bit not much weve got a little bit earlier from each floor asked of course this is directed to you or president tom they want to know does the former president believe that your boss people should seek refuge should gather or will this. Isnt free to seek refuge in Different Countries what effect will that have on the future of terrible culture or if you if if i wasnt. Responsible of course you know if you can give me all islands of myself i have a very happy but i think lies that are. Wonderful to keep up you get so that at least we maintain that the question thats been great raised were going to know your decision all right density but of course thats not right and as far as possible if we want to keep up weve had the experience of going to Different Countries its not entirely new so weve we had some experience and its if it can be done if there is a program to pursue it that we have come to you about our own sense you you know rising to the challenge now that mission will surprise an alice mentioned earlier that when you move its not just you we know kiting doesnt deep deep connection to the land especially in care of ass as a moment that matthew cool it for us your fishing but you tell us so much more than you just fishing havoc. And then it will be gone so. We can not build resilience were going to billions or find somewhere else to live we have to go somewhere. Whether this is a good thing or not but the reality will be. If we could do this and then our. Ability to retain the culture has been distinct how the decision thats being distinct well known im going to be very easy. I want to share with you an idea mr president from one of our Online Community theyre eager to help you solve this issue so black physicist says levees and pumps like new orleans maybe they they could be a solution for helping you out making sure the water doesnt come across it so high that you have to move but in general the sea is not to be trifled with is there a technological solution to this rising ocean. Well thats precisely the question that ive been asking the route here ive been talking to richard is more about what i was actually talking to the United Arab Emirates and you know those islands including the engineers who built the islands themselves that that change ive spoken to the koreans ups workers that the new zealand i was there anybody who thinks has an idea of how we may be able to continue to live on the right i think youre wonderful to be able to do that and thats anybody thats happened thats of course were talking about the technology and now theres no question in my mind that it cant be done after all weve got Richard Branson talking about building a space surely we can build out thats the question that is going to get the challenge is what would be willing to come forward with the suspect and of course the money which is slightly too there was a question in your town where you are youre taking footage that im just guessing plans of floating i am going to plan and then is it that the cost comes up and someone says well you know thats thats what it will take to build it but morris point that asked how did you get into that group and what was that like hearing that answer as its only correct yes it is its this is a solution that was caused by simmons who got president up on it and then one of the most both small and big general in company of the planet so its doable we can do it as we can build those islands and the question is first of course at. The next price is extremely thankful that the second question is like what can you bring to those. And thats what i want to look at in that movie also likes to bust people up a strong connections as they learn to the students so once a building is it going to look a little bit but theyre going well its going to keep their work and keep it you know like whats going to mean some of us coaching here the prosecutor till its meaning when the day theyre going to just leave and very very hey take iran its thirteen although its Technology Baby and the answer but since no. No i think its a you know brings up one of the challenges for this whole issue is the need to plan for both at the same time for migration went to ignaty and to ensure that there are legal pathways and that people themselves have a right to selfdetermination and their human rights are protected but not taking away from the fact that there are mitigation efforts we can be doing to prevent Climate Change and theres also adaptation and resilience building many to be done and theres been a divide sometimes in the community about too much concern about you know stopping Climate Change is taking away from the need to start to adapt and prepare for it or you know i remember going to an islands conference back in two thousand and ten and someone from the Solomon Islands saying you know how dare you talk to me about being a climber refugee i dont accept that you need to step up and you need to prevent this from happening and you need to provide the funds to help us to adopt so these are two parallel tracks that as president tong well knows you have to balance both messaging we have to do both its not a you know we need to do everything we can right now to be preventing the worst effects of Climate Change from happening and we cant let go of that and but at the same time we need to plan for it as president says we need migration arrangements we need technological advances and we really need the developed countries to commit to giving resources to help the least of the most vulnerable adapt. I want to thank the sweden on me because there are a lot of people who are on the same page about this issue in our community and then there are some who are little bit skeptical and even cynical this is a tweet we got for liam and he raises an interesting point he says the new documentary reinforces the growing just course of your boss as drowning or sinking wells emoted he goes on to say in another tweet drowning and sinking just forces close down debate and then make the ultimate outcome seem inevitable newts you know president charles what do you think this is a i think its a very fair comment but i think the question is if were going to win this thing thats. Just. A suggestion something that you see here but the question is are we going to go out with a mess and our first option would be you know we worked up to go and maybe the conscience and the morality of people around the planet you know lets give us a chance we need to begin to chinas to rebuild our resilience so that we can some via this challenge and so on you know its not about giving up but its about highlighting the challenge. I think im very im very conscious of separate question by some people to say if theres nothing can be done not just dont know its not possible no its actually the other way around were trying to render all of what ive been trying to empathize i was thinking that. I thought then lets get about it lets just impost lets see what can be done its going to be out there from what i can see there but its nevertheless its still not a socrates how some of the way he wanted to. Resource that and weve got maybe a kind of content cant contribute to doing the recipients we can afford it i thats a positive hopeful note to end on preston tong that matthew and alice thank you so much for being part of this conversation it is not to. Yet were going online but let me just show you a tweet was just had in doing this show for cameron can he says the pilot refugee crisis will not end with tara bass its the start and many more countries will. Be refugees including the u s a you can follow. Stream at sundance and of course. Stream see you next time and. When diplomacy fails and. Terrorists weve proven the. Vision. Instead of being. In a four part series. The reasons for divisions in different parts of the world and the impact they have on both sides of shame at this time on aljazeera. And the. U. S. And British Companies have announced the biggest discovery of natural gas but what to do with these untapped Natural Resources is already a source of heated debate nothing much has changed they still spend most of the days looking forward to for the dry river beds like this one five years on the syrians still feel battered or even those who managed to escape their country have been truly unable to escape the war. Cards from. What makes this moment this era were living through so unique this is really an attack on sleuth itself is a lot of misunderstanding a distortion even of what free speech is supposed to be about the context its hugely important level right to publish if you have a duty to be offensive will provoke thats all about it as people do setting the stage for a serious debate. Up front at this time on aljazeera. This is al jazeera. On live from studio fourteen here at aljazeera headquarters in