But english will still be taught in secondary schools those are the headlines inside story is next on aljazeera stay with us. On counting the cost well look at the economic reasons behind the rest in the middle easts second largest economy plus new year new rules for European Finance but thats not all well ask the chief global economist at u. B. S. Whats his dangerous idea cosima cost this time zero. Does egypt support Donald Trumps decision on jewish law and leaks suggest leaders in cairo danger objects to u. S. Recognition of the city as israels capital and saudi arabia stands accused of secret support what does the apparent shift mean for the future of jerusalem this is inside story. I am i mean. I know theyre welcome to the program im laura kyle after u. S. President donald trump recognized jerusalem as israels capital the condemnation from the arab world was swift and strong but is everyone on board the New York Times reports that the gyptian media has been pressured to play down opposition to trumps decision and leaked phone recordings a Senior Intelligence officer reportedly told leading t. V. Talk show hosts to influence their view as to back the decision contrary to widespread condemnation amongst muslims the newspaper quotes Intelligence Officer captain holy asking hosts how is jerusalem different from ramallah which is the base of the Palestinian Authority in the occupied west bank captain al holly was quoted telling the talk show hosts an intifada would not serve egypts National Security interests and could revive hamas. Well egyptian has denied these claims boss is not the only one accused saudi arabia is also being criticized for whats seen as some as a weak reaction to trumps policy change even as king salmon public is not strong the heir to the throne crown Prince Mohammed bin solomon was reportedly urging palestinian leaders to accept the change meanwhile the arab league appears to be increasing its support for a palestinian state jordan hosted a meeting on saturday egypt morocco saudi arabia the United Arab Emirates and the palestinians were all in amman jordan as foreign minister iman safadi said the group would push the United Nations to formally recognize a palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital the u. N. Already considers East Jerusalem an occupied territory illegally and acts by israel in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven lets go now to our guests and joining us from london via skype sami handy as International Interest in ramallah Mustafa Barghouti sekret general of the Palestinian National initiative is also a former minister of information and in weybridge via skype gunderson a middle east specialist at Kingston University london a very warm welcome to all of you mr first of all if you will your response to this New York Times report on egypt you surprised by what a pretty shocking revelations. I am not sure how serious this report is or how accurate it is because it is building the whole story on information leaking from one office. Which contradicts the official positions that were declared by egypt we know that there is really side so many other parties trying to put palestinians in confrontation with. Not only the United States but also with many other countries and we will not allow that to happen but that does not mean we should not be very clear about our position as you lose a limb is the capital of palestine anybody who dares to touch the rights of the Palestinian People in jerusalem or the rights of muslims and arabs in jerusalem or christians as well will be perceived as a traitor to the right of people to history of this place ok and i do not buy much of what was said because i think it is exaggerated that its only on one point but one thing should be clear we want much stronger much harder and much clearer positions to confront what the president has done whats going to get us all wrong in the arab world is a whole lot about later the reason that you first of all National Like you are skeptical about this report but do not think that the New York Times if i write for newspapers and have a cup but patrick if i respected journalist i wouldnt be putting something out that wasnt true. I know there might to be sure about the leak that they got but that leak doesnt mean much its about one person one captain who claims to be in Intelligence Service this is not the official position thats what im saying but thats the point isnt it that isnt that what it wanted in the bearings from the official position yes we want more we want let me be frank with you we need what we want from all out up a Muslim Country does this two things first of all to boycott israel to take away that in buses from israel to the two to disconnect all diplomatic relationships with israel if they exist and to participate in the come been for a book at the business and sanctions against israel to destroy in its policies against our jerusalem and items location and the system of apartheid we know that we cannot ask about him is to come and fight israel but at least there has to be a complete boycott that would help us in our struggle to achieve freedom ok sunny i mean this is a prasco suggests that egypt is very far from a complete boycott and what mr offer is asking and in relation to support from the palestinians that publicly they may be saying one thing but behind closed doors saying something totally different i think i respect the diplomatic. People like you have to. Go and i feel that actions speak louder than words and i dont think this article really brings anything that we know lets take for example that under the mubarak regime barak. Ignored the tunnel by which the Smuggling Networks were taking place but. You see on the other hand going to. Become. One to the. People. Who have no option but to go to israel with regard to me i think i could you can very clear we were out once we got you we lot we expect us to go to war again i think the show. Shamed actor jews were probably. The very same very dark attitudes. Whereby they genuinely believe that the palestinian cause is no longer well quite simple in other words. Some of we are so desperate to keep the connection that they want to keep us in washington a piece of all kind of ok so let me let me just let me just jump in there by that because its not just egyptians who is saying this if indeed we do believe this article to be true the saudis are also saying it and indeed weve had a tweet from the bahraini foreign minister on the eve of the United NationsGeneral Assembly meeting saying lets not get into an argument with the u. S. A side issue is that relegating the palestinian issue to a side issue. Because your original question was asked about egypt but augusta saudi arabia is the same thing with Mike Huckabee says man. Thats his quest to become king is such that he know he needs the u. S. Now hes not can get and he wants to because hes thinking why on earth would i want to upset my life over over the u. S. Who i need to become king over israel plus also i think with regard to the saudis and i think you know their interests and i think a hope and a fight is the issue because the main quite important part of that is how many who are considered the brunt of the Muslim Brotherhood that would be in the main the palestinian cause im number one we are having a go to the muslim brothers this very narrow minded for the six from the saudis this very narrow minded policy from egypt and the proof of the seventies is that by having good. Faith and often when we can they would probably think its usually what the families dont want to say publicly thats proof that the saudi moving away from the palestine israel issue because at their own to be honest i cant point any other word for it selfish interest in other words they believe iran is the greatest maybe the Muslim Brotherhood the great the threat coming because that is what you think god is that. Greater threat in other words everybody is a greater threat then you have also chosen and. The palestinian cause for once and your for arab nations. Just why is it not worth then to go all out to make their brothers in pakistan. Very very. Poor we have an occupying. Force. Kicking people out of their rightful home and instead of standing up with it then im saying we are. There to washington please please put me in a position of power ok. Lets begin. Do you believe with what sunny is saying that the palestinian issue amongst the arabs in the arab region has become a side issue well i agree with much of what was just said that right now i think were seeing certain governments in the middle east courting trump and being courted by trump and it is about survival we should remember that the middle east today is not the same as the release of thirty forty years ago i think that many governments in the middle east are seizing more immediate challenges in their mind its about staying in power so they care about for example what will happen with that on what will happen with the blockade what about the protests for example what we call the arab spring so i think that there is much truth in what your guest has just said i think that support from trump is also another factor there are some who argue that trunk for example influenced the tsunami been solomons position has come prince there are some who argue that he also gave the green light to the current blockade so it would appear that some strong men if you like including in egypt they want to get into his good books and they will care more about that and their survival than they will about palestine which is quite sad to see because of egypts symbolic importance as a hub of arab nationalism in the past and you know that is now kind of going downhill. Lets have a guess here we what what youve just been hearing that two guests are very adamant that there is a shift away from interest in the palestinian cause to more selfish nationalistic interests where does that leave the palestinians. No i dont think that the palestinian issue can be marginalized as they try to marginalize it we had maybe a couple of very difficult years because of the internal disputes in the arab world because of the internal fights that are taking place but i think the palestinian cause came back very strongly nobody can move it off the table and maybe this is what the United States wishes for we know that some countries are so dependent on American Protection and that affects the policies but nothing will deviate us really as palestinians or nothing should divvy it up from concentrating on our main enemy which is israel and the occupation and the search which is what you know exactly when stuff. That i must say and i must say also which i must take more than three young arab states really i had some meetings weve had some condemnation thats what really theres been more action absolutely thats what i explained very clearly in my first answer we dont want just statements we are tired of statements we have a whole library of statements and condemnations which dont affect israel at all what we need are actions and we are also realistic enough to realize that we cannot ask them to fight israel but we can ask them definitely to boycott israel we can ask them to respond to the will of their own peoples which have been out in the streets in millions sometimes against the throne decision one more thing i think what many other governments dont realize sufficiently is that israel is a threat not only to palestinians actually israel is conspiring the now against egypt through the issue through through with your regarding the water of the nile is really is conspiring against jordan and if they are done with palestine and they would want to take part of jordan it is very clear i would even say they want to control the economy of the gulf countries so the sooner the arab countries realize that this. Israeli government is dangerous also for them the better their behavior will be but most of the arab countries are also seeing israel as a potential partner in their new push against iran thats a grave mistake against whom. There cannot think of this as we want to build an alliance with israel against maybe iran with other countries them in threat in this region is israel and those in the movement them in the threat is what israel is trying to impose and i think the sooner they can realize that the better because at the end of the day they will discover that they will have they would be harmed from such a relationship then they would benefit and at the end of the day i am saying if you cant help the Palestinian People please abstain from interfering let us continue our struggle and we are we can continue your struggle and we can manage to keep our question on the table and we can keep the palestinian struggle going on so if you cant help us please dont interfere ok nic i have to ask the palestinian struggle stay on the table heroin and. Well thats a very question in your guest for example just mentioned jordan as one country thats also seen reactions to across decision jordan has a peace treaty with israel but at same time we have seen a lot of protests in jordan shortly after this now it was made i have contacts in jordan and some palestinian and one of my contacts discussed how there were many many people who protested outside the American Embassy and they were saying to me you know it is my right as a palestinian this is my homeland and trump has crossed the unspoken red line now for jordan theres a balancing act here because on the one hand as i said theres the treaty with israel but theres a lot of palestinians in jordan jordanians of past in origin so i think that we cannot see that the issue of palestine will be marginalized for some governments perhaps they would say well we want to survive but i think for the people it is the pulse of the arab street that ultimately matters and that polls can certainly strike back at any announcement that trump cites as youre just going to happen the arab people do not want to recognize them as israels capital and i believe that this is an issue that could cause sufficient anger to to threaten certain certain powers yes i mean how concerned should the arab leaders be of that peoples reaction to any perceived sort of telling their back on the palestinians moving towards the u. S. Recognition of jerusalem as israels capital. No i would have said yes to the reaction because. The fact of the matter is that i have. Got to priorities because ive been reading some of them suggesting that theres nothing wrong with going to israel for what it takes to exclude the architect so you know taking supplements and the like what really puzzled me is the demand of the muppet of egypt the part all of them come in a general question brought to egypt remains in our history as an idol become to sponsor an israel think obo is the missing part of a disputed he remains an idol of an arab history because at this time and israel i would hazard to guess that its easy tomorrow although i havent been telling them all to have them out of jordan oh good thats a call about syria or any of these different countries. That we are what im saying we wear out that says the truth about the capitol and the senate and they mobilize their resources to making sure that truck back down with jerusalem and letting israel know that there is a red line all of the arab people would tender out and say you know what we dont put the turned a blind eye to this oppression and we can stand behind this leader on the matter of israel palestine and the proof of that and look at the prospect and look and popularity in the arab world has hold because he is the only arab leader who has come alone even with leader who has come out and condemned jerusalem capital is a member that can be described as defiant ok but for me they went up when one thing that were not saying can fall on all of us are not all sisi doing enough. Well i referred to narrow minded Foreign Policy very tribal its very very jewish its very much for your interests above everybody else i dont want to be king are you want to be a pow i want to think about my people my community my brother can palestine a wrong injustice needs to be overturned with what the israelis did to the people with the fact that israel is the thing on party land is very stupid or not that belongs to muhammad the man comes in three brothers everything there instead of trying to make his brother thats one. Thing you want a brother or a great the threat. So this narrow minded for equality for all from greed being perfectly correct would actually need to very Serious Problems for c. C. And wind up in the med ok listen the real israel does not genuinely believe that america ever be a true ally because what it might become today we may be different could your very different series of policy one that doesnt necessarily require rushing and that the whole of the inside story some just going to move on now to mustafa we know its me why do reported all the not. Agree on doesnt step to that by abbas cofounder of the buy a bus that abbas visited riyadh and november just before the us is announcement officials clay supposedly ship of told out there its been widely reported again that the conference supposedly the us a pass to forgo the capsule in East Jerusalem and accept a truncated deal how much pressure is being put on about. You know this is story is not true because i heard mr arbors and he reported about his meeting and he never mentioned what you are saying so i dont rely on rumors official positions that we hear but let me explain the essence of the issue today their main issue is that the arabs and maybe the palestinian leadership the p. L. O. Leadership thought that israel is ready for a compromise solution that comes at the expense of many palestinian rights like giving us a state in only twenty two percent of the land while they were undecided we should get forty four percent and we deserve probably more yet they thought there will be a two state solution and there will be a compromise that will bring peace that was the basis of. The madrid conference and after that the Arab Initiative but things have changed and they now have said if you dont we now have a new person and you have to live in the white house one moment it is willing to rest we need to move on we need to look and i learned back because were running out of time that solution did not work israel does not want a compromise israel wants all of palestine and maybe all of jordan so its time to see the reality and understand that we have we are not in a situation where we can have a solution with israel or the Zionist Movement we have to struggle against the plans we have regular against the occupation ical and we have in the times has been on its own with them if we accept who brought them out of the city understands boycott they want to see if we can actually accept said that israel wants more than palestine is willing to give how much pressure is being put on a bus by the u. S. First of all now by saudi by egypt perhaps by other countries to accept a deal where it doesnt get many of the things that it wanted including history some of its capsule including the right of return for many of its refugees. Well i think if we returned to discussing drunk for example i think its worth memory that trump is hes a businessman first in a politician second and from his point of view he is a villain pledges back home to have stronger ties with israel so it prioritized in this i also feel that he is trying to create a. If you like a pact or a closer allegiance with one advance on manasseh with isis with isis or with the c. C. In egypt and the parties is reaching out to strong men because he believes that this is how you comment terrorism hes prioritizing that over the issue of palestine hes proposing his administration is sort of you his business goals rather than a long term interest in the middle east that would also fall to the next president because the problem with what hes doing is hes now shattering any. Reputation the u. S. May have to actually act as a peace broker and im sure that the palestinians would now be happy to talk to someone else about this so given this this shift that has gone on i mean some say that jerusalem as israels capital will become a reality just very briefly do you think that so i think that trump believes is going to become a reality the israeli certainly do but i also see that will be a lot of resistance that the one major. Act of protest ive seen in jordan has been overpowers time were not talking about Socio Economic struggle here were talking about what is for the palestinians a moral issue an issue of homeland and i think that sense of identity is Strong Enough that trunk should be careful so i mean we just have a minute left can we see all of this as perhaps a small blip in what is a decades old issue if we see the end of trump do we see the situation to what it was before as it can be changed. I think i think to be honest my president believes that making jerusalem the capital was the ambition of Clinton Obama bush will get us president i just think that the situation that sometimes it harrison was not there at the time of the former president they had to sit with the palestinians and go she does come to the us president is a recognition of the israeli state the stance of the arab states is the removal of the israeli state and the restoration of the Palestinian Land with jews and muslims can sit side by side together as theyve done for centuries that this goal in using what the future should be means that this whole Peace Process is merely a political process by which to expand u. S. Interests than israeli interests with regards. To the region i think now an unprecedented situation with regards to the middle east where israel is no longer the number one enemy i think rim unprecedented territory website struck and leaders are terrified of this but theres also one thing that i want to say with regard to this period that the people might rise up i think the trumpet call for through some of the capital was so well crime that all peoples heard all of the peoples anger was used up in the arab spring people are tired now seem to be shocked about how do we and you saw the police sting massive prism an opponent being kicked out there the fact is governments what youre stuck with are then why in my opinion and even though i was politically im now going through some of the capital what they must to stroke politically what the u. S. 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