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Today voters in staines council in your region go to the polls with a thorny question of secession on everyones minds what will happen next and im really could be a lot ill be bringing our gas your comments also on todays show aljazeera has a new Podcast Network zuhdi its first so closer than they appear grapples with questions of american identity meet host and writer Carvel Wallace but first we return to a story that the stream has devoted several shows to. The weekend crises sitting off the news and it is far from over take a look at this video from aljazeera is a have a. Doctors without borders estimate that nine thousand died in the month that followed the start of the military crackdown and me and more which began in late august. Most of there were hindu who died were killed violent. The estimate contrasts sharply with me on mars government total it said four hundred refugees were killed that month. Doctors without borders says their estimate is conservative and the actual total is likely to be far higher we have published of most conservative figure we had its. If you look at the surf a. V. Did. Interview with more than Twelve Thousand people which were randomly sampled from a population of six out of thousands. The killing you heard about in the report has driven more than six hundred thousand room. Men women and children over the border from myanmar its a bangladesh since attacks and security checkpoints by a small branch are armed group prompted a brutal crackdown on rather than just civilians by the me and maher army now bangladesh have struck a deal to send back but what would they be going back to joining us we have dr adams asia direct to add Human Rights Watch and challenge me is an aljazeera reporter based in bangladesh gentlemen good to have you here via you said it is a couple of pictures i want to show you this one here where are we what are we seeing whats happening. This is an cox bazaar name about a killer a couple of kilometers from cook the problem with some of the biggest refugee camps are now when you take this access as though it is part of the asian the high where that is built by the Bangladesh Army now this goes right into an area called ruin my mother part which is zero line the border between me and my mother and bangladesh and theres a refugee camp bare and this is the access point now in the beginning on the influx in september and early october pozen suffering just took shelter on the roadside and any empty spaces they could find and people were giving them clothes the local people were handing them clothes and food so what you see its got a bunch of clothes all across this place is because they abandoned the clothes they were wearing because theyre talking are very so people were giving them relief coat and you see them in the streets and people were actually taking shelter in these places which is much much more better now because since the british army took over its far more stable now the camps are organized you dont see them in the street just aggression in september and october was very dire picture save a little bit about it definitely so then we saw of course as you saw the beginning of this show this segment theres been an agreement between bangladesh and me in march to return some of those People Living in talks bazaar but the main question that were hearing from our Community Members is what happens when and if they return this is what car dean a former stream cassies a director general of the ira kind union and this is what he asked. They are returned which says they could be attacked again by Security Forces who are going to provide protection for. International involvement. Right to protect there has to be a safe zone. Administered by the international community. Additionally their citizenship issue has to be addressed. So brad he raised a number of concerns but chiefly protection who will protect them. Yeah i mean the International Law is very clear that. Turns out to be safe and voluntary it can be forced and if you are thinking of it in bangladesh right now as dire as your circumstances may be why would you want to go back to your villages and of them burned out the people who forced you out of burma are still in power and in fact the bernese government both the military and civilian government are in complete denial about what they did they are not taking responsibility they are not saying even though some rogue elements committed these crimes the military launched an inquiry of itself and surprise surprise it said that we didnt kill anybody we didnt do anything and there is a a Media Campaign in burma. That is saying that this is all fake this is fake news weve had our sons who choose. Websites say that allegations of Sexual Violence were fake news and so i dont think anyones going to be going back any time soon this agreement between burma bangladesh is just words on paper. It was cobbled together under pressure from china which wants to be seen as a Regional Power broker but no donor is going to support this now if people do go back it is absolutely essential that the United Nations monitors on the ground but we have to be very careful that theyre not sent back to camps worst Case Scenario for the rain it would be to be moved from camps in bangladesh where they have relative safety to camps in burma where theyre basically living in detention or possibly in concentration camps where they went be at the mercy of the burmese army or police and any time when they decided to go after the ring you know again. Theres a tweet that brad shared he says i tried to go back this is a quote to get the bodies of my children but they were already on fire for him to survive a phone to law totally village a new human rights report documents bernies militaries extreme methodical brutality tanveer if im looking at you reporting here what are the stories that youre telling now. Well i just got back from cox but there on fourth of december whats interesting to note that we spoke to many of the ranger if it is a recently came within within actually early week of december and late november they were saying the atrocity is still going that theyre burning our villages and theres a Place Housing refugees crossed into bangladesh even after this agreement signed between bangladesh and leanne maher and also important to know that there is a delegation there was set up with joint working committee in order to repair trade lot of this ranges within january or february of next year it too little time if the ox most of the ranges there are very serious apprehension in going back immediately unless theres some sort of security guarantee some sort of assurance can you imagine asking somebody to go back to their captors that they just came back so traumatized the children the woman and a little man and you asking them to go back immediately with a sure is that me and mine has a shared them this hardly builds a confidence on bam to go back immediately definite no you cannot force them either and the fact remains even today are from came up with a report that theres really just still coming across the border theres still villagers been burned as Human Rights Watch on the side since october a lot of villages were burn and the fact that we are married assuring that well take you back is very contradictory to the situation on the ground with things to be still very volatile and critical for the range of refugees coming into bangladesh as well as over there yeah we actually remember here again many outbreaks of violence considering the years and twelve there were two that forced many thousands that to cross the border bangladesh and every chinese an outbreak of violence denial by the authorities and those who stay are persecuted and remain in burma. Are living in fear of their lives every single day the people who were burnt out of their villages in two thousand and twelve a fact that weve been forced to so but in camps that some call concentration camps they cant leave the villages without permission he was moved around the country theyre denied medical care food we have high infant and Child Mortality rates in these camps and they have no future they cant see a time when they will be able to live freely in their own country so brad and tell they were going to leave it there for now thank you for reminding us that this is a story that may not be Headline News but its still incredibly important to the hinge so we go from cox its bizarre to take you to catalonia in spain where crucial votes will take place on thursday have a look at this clip from al jazeera. With an awkward smile the spanish Prime Minister enters the political battleground. Mariano rajoy he was here to rouse loyalists for his Peoples Party in the fight against the capital and separatists who got the best part of their thank you for defending spain thank you for defending the constitution thank you for defending the law according to opinion polls roys party has no chance of winning thursday snap in the general election. The challenge is to form a majority thought with other anti secession parties and stop catalonia breaking away theres also a high possibility separatist parties could score in the jar. So as you heard there polls show that things are very close between Pro Independence and anti independence parties the vote is the first since october when the madrid government crackdown on an independence referendum it had declared illegal and took direct control of the wealthy region so whats likely to happen next and how strong is the Pro Independence movement two months on joining us to discuss this. And. Its a Communications Consultant commentator i want to start with our community we got this from this on twitter who says i think the results in thursdays election will be crucial this election has been called by the Spanish Government and will be held under the most difficult of circumstances spain has imprisoned consulate ministers and force the president to. With all of those facts there so and you know what is the mood like right now in the lead up to this election. I dont know its a bit too much maybe for me to speak about the general mood but i would say somehow the tension after the Police Brutality and everything that we saw of the first weeks of october has gone a little low having people in prison having people outside the country has left more like a feeling off. And sadness i would even say and yes there is still a bit of anger against madrid by many people and many parts of the population but theres less tension that said. People are in general a bit cautious about what is going to happen on thursday as you just said pauls havent been very clear it depends on who make the paul the results are very different and there the general idea is that probably as you just said prime dependents and unionist parties are going to be kind of a very very equal so were just waiting to see whats happening maybe had who follows closer kind of and its movements can give you more insight. And looking at some polls here from the Financial Times and they sort of put the most together as averages catalonia independent separatists forty six point nine percent unionists forty three point seven percent and down here nonaligned seven point eight percent so close but does it still class in catalonia. Well it does feel like at least in this election being so important thing and then going through so much tension. Many people who might have never voted in my might show up. On thursday because this gives the pollsters gives them a hard time because when somebody that has never been will call says no i will go you never know whether to believe them or not and then and lastly on all of them all right. Its also different because its going to be on the on its not going to be on. Usually polls and got a little used to be that also bit of. Uncertainty to the whole poll but obviously from the from the point of. The president s going to be generally pretty comfortable in saying that they will all haul preserver at least relative majority here are we got this comment here on twitter excuse me her name is and im going to get this see you add to our says the Spanish Government knows that this vote is not enough to solve the catalan situation theyre still going to have to negotiate anyway and sonia i see you nodding your head there but i do with this said what will resolve the issue. Well this this whole negotiation thing is like waiting for god up there weve been weve been told so many times that they would sit down and negotiate the end that we dont really expect that anymore i mean you see im wearing a Yellow Ribbon because weve got so many politicians in jail also there are several doesnt web side where clothes are blocked before october first and are still blow the website off seven million a fanatic about an a for instance which is one of the Major Political organizations in kind of only a little cat its still blocked by the Spanish Police havent received any notification so. We can we can label it anyway but these are certainly not normal democratic elections. Adding to the comment that you tweeted you just showed us i think what the person was trying to say i could fully agree that is that these elections might not solve the background problem or the background conflict which is we do have a part of the cotton population whos asking to be able to decide on our future on what we would like to be or organize ourselves and that conflict between that we are and the fact that the spanish Central Government says no you are not entitled to decide on that is going to remain there so even if their union is hard to swim with a very. Small difference the conflict is still remaining there and you still have a big part of the population who is asking for an absolutely different way of organizing so what is the point of this election if the conflict still remains its not decisive what is the point what what are you going for is this for. I think the Spanish Government will rather than on or stay for longer with the location of our in article one fifty five direct rule from madrid im sure that mr modi not a whole in Prime Minister will of lot whove been able to apply direct rule for for much longer i do believe that there were forces outside of spain perhaps the European Union for all their cut because theyre. Told him not to apply it for long as we just call for us not elections and and took advantage of them as much as they could but hes your party and theyre Popular Party seemed to be beamed to to come in last in this in this election is all right even even if you were saying even if pro spain already is eventually made it to the top theres a huge majority in catalonia who do not. At least least i would rule at least. I supplied it so all eyes on thursday thank you. For joining us for this part of the show i dont forget you can watch full coverage of the election right here on aljazeera this thursday now from spain we moved to San Francisco in the United States to meet writer Carvel Wallace the host of a new podcast thats already winning praise take a look. A look at the morning when i. Was sitting less than human ive seen a man who has been homeless and hungry. Slept on park benches and in apartments with no electricity hes been the only black person in his world. Been told he has people. That he used to make white people feel and see. I see a man who thinks every day about whether or not he will be the next morning. I look in the mirror and i also see a father and a friend and a magazine writer who makes a list every night of all the things in his life that hes grateful for his health having a bad. Two children who are alive from the full. Like the nation the birth always looked toward the future. Dunning us cover what they write of closer than they. Cover out there some paul cost a little snack little five minutes not to see a one day grounding of groceries and the other pub costs like you all of which is a free call smale with extras and the lot even when you think youre full of what you cant take anymore if people are looking out for this podcast and want to think what is it a balance what is calvo trying to do and the and the team or what whats the whats whats the mission here well i mean thanks for having me on the show i think that america is that point where theres a lot of reckoning to be done one of the most things i say about this time in American History is that this is a time where everyone is paying for everything and a lot of American History has been about taking things on credit basically. That weve been a weve tried as a country to show certain times for pression wrote this to shove certain crimes against against our own values under the rug and it seems that this is a time in which all of that is coming the bill is coming to right people are being held accountable that fear that we should have been feeling the entire time now people are feeling a larger level and so what i wanted to do with this show was i wanted to open up a space to have that conversation to say some things that maybe we need to be said and want to be said but the people have a hard time period words and as a writer kind of the one thing i know that i that i can offer to the world is im pretty good at putting things into works and and is so in that way i wanted to create you know create another way to talk about the fear the anxiety the confusion the doubts that a lot of people like myself from people close to are experiencing right now. I wanted to create a place for people to have that in a larger larger level and carvell is someone who would listen to all of your episodes so far i think you have done that but what i get from your podcast is this feeling a giant there be session for america and so its interesting then that weve gotten this comment from outside the United States this is claudia on twitter she says im an unconditional fan of closer than they appear from spain im a white european queer woman interested in politics and activism her question for you is in your opinion how can white people fight White Supremacy and racism without falling into their racial color blindness speech were all here but were all well yeah yeah i mean i think that it requires a certain amount of. I mean i think i think the person who writes is on the right track right knowing that thinking that were all human and equal is not enough in other words is true but its not enough so its true that role human were all equal but its also true that our lived experience differs greatly and you know once i had a great friend say to me about being black she said were not black people were people who are who have the black experience which i thought was such an interesting distinction and its one that has guided the way i think about race that yes you can say reese is made up in races not real and its biologically but its a its it is a social truth and to live as a black person in this country to live as a woman in this country were a person this country is centered center gives you an experience its also true that to live as a white person this country gives you a certain experience part of the problem that america is facing right now is that we for centuries have been told that that experience of being white in america was the default experience that that was the normal one and there is a collective feeling of fatigue with that because thats not true and believing thats true has guided this country to kind of pave over the Health Safety and happiness of lot of people so. So so to balance this idea that were all human beings with the idea that and therefore to be human being and to grow up as a black person in this country means that certain parts of your humanity have been challenged and that needs to be repaired you have to hold both those truths theyre not opposites but the way this country works we think of them as opposites so to answer the question that claudia asks which is what can she do you know i think of this is a movement and everyone has a drought has something skillful to do with movement im a writer some people can work in politics some people can work in finance some people can take to the streets i think that i think that we all i think this movement requires all of us to do our work at a high level but theres a certain out of consciousness that has to be developed in order for that work to not be harmful and this distinction between knowing that were all human but also recognizing the specific ways in which our experience has been harmful and our healing from that thats a big part of the consciousness that is developing cover you get very passable in your pub castine talk about america you talk about yes south i know a little bit about your family background who put you up at the roots a fight club when you should definitely throw a punch him when he shouldnt. Say and say anything thank you would not talk about that this is absolutely taboo we have thirty seconds left you know nobody im mad i know that you know how long that is so we decided seconds and im going to the you would not go that. There isnt really i mean when i talk about my story not because i want people to know about me but because i think it can help people understand and feel more at home more safe and honest in their stories and thats all about having the right to be because one of the things that systemic oppression that it messes with your administration has been doing thank you so much i thought the time we have thank you so much for joining us you can find them a a past couple puck us how that can my laptop well anyway will you now to get help paul costs and you can i will be online at how much that a strange thing. In. The first century. 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