Vulnerable and fetus in their budget reports the directive follows previous steps in pursuit of its conservative social agenda last one use whatever you want of course on the website al jazeera dot com is the address you need you can tweet me i will tweet you back at peter one were back top of the hour with a quick news summary for you between now and then inside story. The battle for power in south africa the ruling a. N. C. Chooses a new leader who will probably be the next president but can the successor to jacob zuma make a difference and does the a. N. C. Still appeal to the aspirations of South Africans this is inside story. And welcome to the program the watershed meeting to elect a new leader for south africas ruling party the African National congress faced legal challenges as it kicked off some delegates were bob from by court orders from attending the a. N. C. Leadership contest the African National congress is d. T. Divided over who should take over from jacob zuma and. Zuma is the South African president s preferred candidate the other main contender. Supporters say his business background makes him the best option to turn around south africas flagging economy or get to our guests in just a moment but first tanya page has more from johannesburg. The African National congress elect of conference is underway and its going to be unfolding here over the next five days but most of the discussion and debate will be happening behind closed doors and those buildings there just in the distance behind the fence we can see some of the delegates there about five thousand or so have come here from branches of the a. N. C. All over the country they want to just be voting for the top job of president but deputy and in fact all the top one hundred he is the shins but of course its the presidency that is the most contested the most important to the future of the a. N. C. And there are really two main contenders the first being of course as many zuma she is a very experienced politician she was a member of parliament and a minister under successive governments of the a. N. C. Shes a former chair person on the African Union very experience shes had a bit of a catch phrase in the campaign that of radical Economic Transformations shes seen as being very pro force and accused of being populist fi some of the main rival is the current defeating president Cyril Ramaphosa another a. N. C. Still watched neither of these individuals is a new name a new face they have a long history in South African politics and in the liberation struggle in the struggle for freedom so around oppose it was a trade unionist he helped formulate this countrys constitution a very popular man seen as being probusiness he has a business background and a bit of a darling of the markets hes got more to find economic policies perhaps because of that many zuma is the favored candidate of president zuma in fact they used to be married to have Children Together she is believed to be the one most likely to protect him from any legal action there are hundreds of corruption charges hanging over him that could resurface where is his deputy so rehman pose a potentially the next president of the a. N. C. Is less likely to protect. The outgoing suma from those charges thank you well lets take a closer look at the African National congress and why this vote is such a big deal formed in one thousand nine hundred twelve the parties govern for twenty three years since the apartheid jacob zuma has dominated the Political Landscape since he became leader ten years ago but with zuma tainted by corruption scandals the n. C. Suffered its worst losses ever in government last year pulling fifty four percent of the vote in local elections whomever wins the party vote in giles vogel either lead the a. N. C. To its First National electoral defeat or become the next president lets get the thoughts now of our guests and joining us from johannesburg. A National Security advisor to the South African minister of police via skype from cape town is last night i do executive secretary of the council of the advancement of the South African constitution and from just outside johannesburg also via skype is trevor a social activist and research of the center for social change at the university of johannesburg thank you all very much for joining us bongani this is said to be a tight race why do you think blarney damini zuma should win. Or i mean besides your package which clearly states that here we have a highly experienced individual with the world of knowledge in government we also have someone who has been nominated by true very key constituencies of the African National congress there is the a. N. C. Womens league and the a. N. C. Youth league these are very critical components of of our struggle in fact of the mest Democratic Movement and as such she stands a very good chance of being nominated this weekend. Delegates who are barred from this conference because courts in that ive been illegally elected they were pro law means in their you concerned thats going to upset the vote up well there is a suggestion that they were pro the meanies woman but that is not quite it you can never be certain of see in quite a lot of several of these conferences you can go to a conference thinking youve got in your bag certain delegates only to find that in fact you dont part of the tech ticks of conferencing in the a. N. C. Is really to hold you or your final wood into your heart things changed we saw things changing in twenty two thousand and seven in fact in a conference in Paulo Garnier where the then president really thought he was going away in president in big who in fact in his ticket he was running against jacob zuma with was on of i mean hes a woman so the two of them where in a ticket against jacob zuma in harlem im a planter who. Also became president of south africa for a brief moment so you can never be too sure what we know for sure is that the numbers are very very close the race is tight and there the key provinces are backing goes on as i mean is room together with the in the the the leagues there of mentioned so its very very important to understand that you can never properly run or many just the a. N. C. As a leader if you do not have these key constituencies on board where women inside africa for instance make up about sixty two percent of or voting pool in general elections ok the a. N. C. Womens league is is very much a very important factor here get so lost in the race does still seem to be wide open lets examine the other front runner now also run run oppose that he is proposing a new deal what does that mean. Well firstly let me agree that the race is incredibly tight and i think itd be foolhardy to try and make a prediction even at this stage just minutes after the conference has finally gotten underway in johannesburg this afternoon i think you know the difference between the two essentially i think it now agree with bongani and thats because on at me hes a man has had a stellar career in Public Service in south africa shes been and a very experienced cabinet minister but where i think opposing may have the edge over is in his ability to turn ideas into to strategies and policies within his background as you mentioned as a unionist as key part of the constitutional negotiations process recently as Deputy President but also very importantly as chairperson of the National Planning commission that developed the National Development plan for south africa which is formally part of the policy and i think the new deal that im opposed to put on the table a couple of weeks ago is really premised on trying to inject some life into that National Development plan to give it some energy give it some focus and one of the criticisms of the Development Plan has been the lack of focus on implementation and the lack of prioritize ation over its many many recommendations so i think were beginning to see that with someone like ramaphosa and i think as you say thats why the markets of warm to him because theres kind of a political set and policy sets and see that flows from that would threaten that would flow from from rambos a victory this weekend ok lets just take a look outside of the a. N. C. Now and give it to trevor at this either can do that hair spot the interest of the people the support of the people. Unfortunately you know you try to be a good election because you might to each of people next to get these an intense agency. Castrati and people who vote that for either of the county deeds there could be our own press or no police kind of interest which almost the organization are in financial and so theres a sense from the president must see is that what goes on inside the n. C. Half the time its got nothing to do with them ok as you know you know i just want to let you know if they say they have got a say in it of the say this is an a. N. C. Vote but if theyre looking at the can that somewhat that propose that we just had that imposes new deal on the other side weve got meanies who has a radical income at Transformation Plan and to either of those policies excite people no they dont because we could have a poor sub you know hes a. Mining magnate be a net and hes pure was associated with you might have gotten a muscle car where thirty four striking where cars were short that hes come by nation who got hit nine percent stake in learning mean and he was not exact youve got to count were going to be in treating the muscle car and air base if you dance that he actually gave and down which indirectly led to the shooting with president has made a kind of economy transformation. Poorly served in c. Has been to create hurt by what his court years did capture where to be shown that the president himself if you use associates are you know in the pocket of a family court. Which is actually getting government contracts sometimes. And in fact. Your family. Actually vision station here and also employed barry put in job at british based p. R. Company populations where they protest the idea of creating. A really fail to understand what else has to do with the conference or small pangani of everythings there gnc conference because many people look at money zuma as i would somebody who is going to camp south africa on the same path as her exhusband look lets first say this and make it very clear that the radical Economic Transformation is not cause as honestly as i mean is a muslim making or dream its an a. N. C. Polisi which dates back to two thousand and seven in fact that is just the lexicon that dates back two thousand and seven when you look at the a. N. C. Itself you see that in most of its policies in particular the underpinning grand policy framework the freedom charter adopted in one thousand fifty five clearly talks about a rug the color Economic Transformation where really in the majority of South Africans who happen to be africans or black. Excluded in the economy and thats a big issue here we have a ninety percent of the population not taking part not partaking in the real economy radical economy transformation therefore talks to. That as for the new deal im not able to actually comment on it because. It does not come from the a. N. C. At all i dont know weighed in money from a wooden no as a member of the a. N. C. Who drafted it or what actually influences or or really gets it to be alive. Lets let it all turn really onward up then recent bongani because isnt that the point the new deal brings fresh thinking to south africa and south africa desperately needs a new path when it comes to its economy. Absolutely and i think we all we all agree that you know the fundamental challenge that traces of africa is inequality and we need to devise a set of policies thats going to be able to to to get to tackle that issue of inequality in south africa and a quick fix such as radical Economic Transformation which to me is really a little more than a slogan and can mean lots of Different Things to different people so what we need are a carefully crafted policies that bring together the broadest range of South Africans in order to check all the challenges that we face and trevor is also right the issue of state capture and the poor levels of governance in south africa have really hampered the ability of the African National government to deliver to its people so weve got to tackle issues of corruption of state capture of the undermining of the rule of law in south africa in order to just strengthen the foundations of our democracy so that we can live a live out the vision and the dream that is there now constitution thats a challenge that i think whoever wins this president ial battle at the a. N. C. Conference is going to be confronted with and thats thats a big challenge for either of them Going Forward and and the ability of the African National congress to then translate that message into something that appeals to the broader masses of our people outside the membership of the a. N. C. Is the huge challenge that looms on the horizon as we approach the twenty nineteen general elections one of the huge issues in south africa as we keep referring to is corruption is the state of the economy just just give us an idea if you can. How corruption affects South Africans in that daily life and how well they are of it at the political level as well what a correction to the story of the every reader truck. Page when talking about the caption how they had to come in to be a future president and even because of a good job and they were caught in birch. Crises and said you call clarity like we get more than a hundred men to appreciate and you know please quit if you came in because your government if you need or Security Program if mork meant i. P. C. S. Out of her pictures into n. G. O. S which were not quite a fight to take care of them and it has been shown that they were moved into and she owns which are owned by cronies of the n. C. P. People who knew nothing about me to have cared patrick china to make money so what im trying to say is that it is not only at the top we ask our state Electricity Company but also at the ports on these corruption some of those delegates maybe half of them there was a good deal on the ground in the local schools in the look at hospital so its really not just thats going to be unfair and thats one reason weve got this family unfair to post such a special its a really unfair to pos a specialist on people you do not know its really really grossly unfair and infects defamatory you can not see that about those delegates that the good deals how do you know that how many people out of the five thousand to you know how many people let people for that matter a get contracts in the government you need to tell. We that two thousand five hundred of those delegates have some contract or the other with government i mean thats total rubbish this is the hyperbole that we deal with in south africa which is now just totally disconnected from the true facts the real facts and not some creation of someones. You know imagine the ssion honestly we have to be honest and the deal with matters in a manner of that can generate some kind of constructive debate ok honey i mean we grow more than we get on oil in my soul theres disagreement on that. They want to jump in there because youve got about facts lets talk about facts south africa thirty percent unemployment fifty five percent below the poverty line its the fact that its got worse in the decade that zuma has been and power how can you assure people that youre not going see more of this with jacob zuma his exwife and this socalled zipped of a case in south africa how can you assure people that theres not going to be more you know. Its its disheartening for you as a woman true in fact i understand your point about grown women to power get that im in full support of women but im not talking about now let me talk about how you have to look a little mean not might be or see thats affecting less and that may be an alarmist point a allow me to make my point because you dont know what i was going to say allow me to make my point dont jump allow me to make my point please lower its disheartening to hear it woman disparaging on another woman because that woman was once married to someone else. And i mean is woman is an independent worse isnt leader of the a. N. C. Yes she was once married to jacob zuma yes they are divorced yes theyve got children but hair Agency Membership and her leadership ability has nothing to do with jacob zuma she does not poor or her mind and thinking from jacob zuma ok only patrick and chauvinism will talk like that and we have to really disuse of ourselves this whole notion that women can never be strong leaders who are independent able to lead their countries now Hillary Clinton dealt with the severely same thing brutally so its now been transposed into this wonderful great leader of. Telling them they were. A man has thrown his support behind his exwife let me move on to north and i mention i think its still ok let me just move on and lets i want to tell us on how little is a muslim mind is on him by looking at the. Lets just lets move on to that please bongani the accident jacob zuma is killing the likely and how is he going to leave the a. N. C. And leave the presidency when are we going to see him go. Well i think hes leaving the a. N. C. In a worse state that he founded in two thousand and seven its a far more divided organization probably the most divided just when thats history you know the fact that the Conference Today was delayed by over six and a half hours before we could get government you know is testament to the divisions in the tensions that exist within the the African NationalCongress Today which is a sad indictment lawson organizations of the overall. Even longer. Than rowdy please can we just let some the other contestants involved get involved in the discussion. And the point is that a persons a mess leaving the end scene in the end in an awful state its facing a crisis as i said earlier a crisis that its going to confront in the next eighteen months as it moves towards the twenty nine thousand elections so whoever takes over from from jacob zuma whether its in causes im going to let me know hes a man or sorghum a person is going to be faced with the huge challenge and the issue about in courses on and as i. Acknowledged contribution as a Public Servant she has taken on the mantle of the populism and the populous slogans of radical Economic Transformation and what monopoly capital that is associated with the jacobson affection and bongani cannot get away from that fact so. Becky actually has of the two thousand long and have passed and if she wants to claim that she could have done so but rather shes part of the populist narratives that have dragged south africa down to the levels of inequality and increasing levels of poverty that we are seeing because as trevor points out of the corruption that has been coming in demick within the a. N. C. Not just at National Level but a provincial and local government level and i dont think any of us can deny that and thats part of the the that major challenges that we face is to have a name see government that governs in accordance with the constitution and respects the constitution and the laws of south africa this current Jacob Zuma Administration has failed to do that travel lets look ahead to the two thousand and nineteen elections do you think we will see the a. N. C. Winning that. Very difficult for in see to make the fifty one percent mark in twenty nineteen and thats part of the crisis of that in seat because they want to hold onto power and the part theyre holding on is not for the masses not for the people but is for person not imports cut into going as its not an interest at the moment in south africa. We have a very high rate of protest committees coming out in the street and doing detroit to do what they want chant guns in the street crying for electricity for jobs and the United NationsHuman Rights Commission and this other can Human Rights Commission has complained about the response of the a. N. C. Government to protest they sent police there used live ammunition theyre using. In fact they are cracking down and their pet undermining the. Rights of South Africans who are complaining against the rich getting to reach out the poor getting poorer these have tended not to come out when they shut down there before and might have been strike is happening now again students what human being three d. Crew a nice Higher Education its time to response has been to use mentors on the people ok we will have to leave our discussion today clearly a very divided a. N. C. Policy well see if this conference can unify the a. N. C. Many thanks to all our guests today bongani. Last night. And thank you to very much for watching you can see the program again any time five visiting a website thats aljazeera dot com and of other discussion to go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com for slash a. J. Inside story you know the join the conversation on twitter at a. J. Inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here i found out. 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