Progress in their battle to contain multiple large wildfires raging across the southern part of the state blazes of killed one person destroyed hundreds of buildings and forced two hundred thousand people to leave their homes but those were the headlines the news continues here on aljazeera after upfront thats what. He was born in ireland seventeen found himself in the middle of a Political Revolution in egypt i went onstage and i spoke about democracy and i was put in a cell if you will with the sixty people well put a hundred thousand people and after four years imprisoned in cairo. At this time donald trump says jerusalem is the capital of israel and the Palestinian Authority says if thats the case the two state solution is dead but why did the Palestinian Leadership have so much faith in the United States to begin with the Palestinian Ambassador to the u. S. And in the arena will debate how serious a threat the far right poses to democracy in europe. Sums up what thanks for joining me up front President Trump on wednesday recognized jerusalem as the capital of israel he says that hes just recognizing reality israel says its capital israel seat of government is in jerusalem Israels Parliament is in jerusalem so why shouldnt israels closest ally the United States just recognize that reality and recognize the capital of israel actually thats exactly the opposite he totally rejected reality because the reality of the city is that it is actually all by the palestinians you are talking about three hundred eighty thousand palestinians who also live every shaab every mosque of the. Church of the school and what do the palestinians plan to actually do about this is the thing you could actually do to stop this movie youre powerless when we dont see this movie really to seriously affect the status of jerusalem because the status of jerusalem is ensuring that its people and nation and shrines in the region the islamic world and ensuring that International Law and actually what that statement did then once the is sure the Real International consensus about the opposition and the criticism was actually said why is everyone so youre saying i want to say oh its not a big deal as this is it is a big deal it is a very big deal because its about the status of america its about the status of the u. S. Administration directing such a head on the heart of the two state solution which is also that and this vowing and actually going on a new us promise about the status of jerusalem and the two state solution is a stab in the back and is a kiss of death to the two state solution so its a grave matter. Its a grave matter its a strategic matter i want to get into some of the details you mentioned two state solution and other issues why this the moment that the Palestinian Leadership has decided to say the u. S. Is not an impartial broker that you know this time you know and the two state solution bill clinton back in two thousand when camp david broke down he blamed Yasser Arafat the palestinian for everything he says all the fault of the palestinians in two thousand and four george w. Bush said to ariel sharon in a letter you can keep most of the settlements in any peace deal barack obama offered israel the biggest military aid package in history even while israel was bombing gaza twice during president none of those moments you didnt come out and say its over now youre not impartial why now why do it if its someone say too little too late for the Palestinian Leadership because it was a limb is the heart of all the matter youre also limits thousands dying in gaza and that was happening with american. By israel that. Was discussing politics now as far as a political strategic decision is the make it or break in jerusalem is the gate of peace or anxiety and confrontations we we were. We were trying to believe and we were trying to hold against hope ok that the u. S. Will come to one day to its real role as a an equalizer and the mediator but to keep its policy which settlements are illegal find a solution is on the sixty seven borders and in the heart of that was dissolution some people would say what do you have to show for a quarter of a century of peacemaking or twenty five years or so of negotiation. David and what did you get one of the palestinians getting from the dismal failure in the in the mediator side in the u. S. Side yes america could not get itself to deal with the situation as a Foreign Policy issue as a former youre married with them every seven days and you have a claim america now america what america was letting you out of it when you five years out of the Palestinian Leadership was standing on the america that was hotels that you know some its not their fault yes but the america to bring these years might have. Made so many mistakes and they did commit so many mistakes but america did not change the rules of the game that we engaged in the middle east Peace Process ninety nine ninety one on its basis two four two three three if you want Security Council resolutions land for peace the end of israels occupation that began in one thousand nine hundred seven the establishment of a state of palestine independent and sovereign East Jerusalem its capital the illegality of the settlements im talking about it in position ok there are these u. S. Policy has remained all these c. E. O. s are now changed you know its had so its cutting ties with the u. S. Government on the table is an option where will you be when you stay negotiate with us no matter what no no no i think the state is staying negotiating no matter what is definitely not on the edge and and they believe today so what is on the other that its a selfinflicted disqualification of the u. S. As a mediator and we believe this administration by this announcement has really delivered three big damages the first of the u. S. Start us as a mediator here the second is. To the ability of the u. S. To actually bring about a two state solution because they aimed a shot of the heart of the two state solution which is your solution the third the actually this empower of the constituency of peace you know the peace camp the ones the hundreds of millions in the region in the world are the ones to see and into this conflict and the import of who the armageddon ist the nonsolution missed the ideologues the terrorists who are burning families in the west bank the settlers and the Settler Movement who are in control they have empowered those who do not want to see it was you. Know you have to raise lethal i use the phrase its a kiss of death. Let me ask you straight up clear it is the two state solution now dead the two state solution from the u. S. Point of view and mediation is that thats not what it is and is as a solution if together in their Community Council no not at all if tomorrow or today as of now were supposed to as opposed to jerusalem can there be a two state solution i dont like the romantic statements you are talking to. Lets not get more than i thought a lot about it was saying is under a little i said if you had a solution i did i say that you say you know ive got a vision you said he shot a bullet into the heart of the do you think this my response is what is it dead the its not your analogy its you fired a bullet is it dead its not my remit or responsibility to actually declare such a thing i am only an ambassador so i couldnt vary the message ok so hes i america this week said chief former chief negotiator for many years for the palestinians said President Trump has delivered a message to the Palestinian People the two state solution is over is he being dramatic as well no no no no thats his right he is the one who deals with a two state solution hes a chief negotiator if you agree with me those are the chief negotiator of course i agree with this its a dead body im just trying to get clarity and then at the deuce later solution it is its still an option its called a solution right on the this is and its still solve this is what being premature this is being premature its over no no no no give quoting your chief of the give to give the palestinians. The ship the ability to convene very soon shortly they will convene a call has been issued an invitation to the Central Council of the p. L. O. Let them set this is a strategic moment this is not any action that the moment the only option now available is one state for equal rights for all focus on the jews they should live among you who are some clarity who live in the historic land the for so long as the land for going to the sea thats very youre out of it now we can have a discussion the option of netanyahu or of an apartheid arrangements is going to be rejected and the start of school is going to be rejected a lot of youre just very large in which youve come in quite dramatic to use your phrase but the two states that one state solution now theres only one state single state thats what you said the same thing thats what we will say that my president your president one geologist ok so this is a solution is dead then he said if netanyahu insense im confused if the netanyahu insists to kill and bury the two state solution the only option we will accept is for. Maybe some of this weeks post jerusalem we believe there numbskull or Senior Leadership the Palestinian Authority the p. L. O. Committed to two states or one state its a very simple question im just asking but you are if you know if you want to position now if i did what i know what your position i dont want to live in is that such an announcement that was made by President Trump has definitely reversible three things that the us start us as a mediator damaged the prospects for a two state solution because a lot of them is at the heart of it and damage the consequence of peace now what would be the consequences of that is something for the Palestinian National leadership to make not for me one last question as a Palestinian Leader whats your message to young palestinians maybe watching the show with this interview who feel hopeless who feel desperate who feel the world is against them who feel that theyll never be free and this latest jerusalem is it is just another blow to their hopes and aspirations whats your message to them it was a catastrophic moment it was a very helpful moment i understand but it was also a moment that we saw the. This announcement by president has brought. Has really brought the international consensus. The u. S. Administration out of the world including the. This is the first time from the. British all the way to the. Do. Nothing. Its identity its the question is in the political and strategic sense and they believe we palestinians are but the more important side of the story is a lot. Of belief which is. Thank you for joining me. But theres an outrageous Racial Disparity hiding behind the official start up from produce a. Reality check. Really it comes to come out on top in global ranking as the second wealthiest nation on the planet. And the. Life expectancy education and. Wow. Story entirely according to the comparative study australia was right for. Human development index. One hundred. Not surprising given that today aboriginal Life Expectancy is ten years. And children are twenty six times more likely to be. Found. On the twenty sixth of january seventeenth. 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To them kinds are under way to finally recognise Aboriginal Peoples in the constitution but unlike the us in new Zealand Australia doesnt have a treaty with its peoples its as if operational dispossession never even happened so next time you think the picture postcard australia its worth remembering that while australians are born equal some of more equal than others. From. Germanys alternative to the near no one shes of golden dawn in greece far right are grabbing the headlines and seem to be on the rise across europe in terms of thousands of people joined in poland. And what youre up to in violence so all europes liberal values under assault at risk from the far right result. Asked some on the left guilty of crying wolf joining me to discuss this are sasha pollack author of go back to where you came from the backlash against immigration and the fate of western democracy and david good heart in london author of the road to somewhere the populist revolt and the future of politics david sasha thanks for joining me on in the arena david we hear a lot about the rise of populists near nazis the far right before we talk about the impact of that righties especially in europe how would you distinguish between these different terms phrases or are they effectively all the same thing no i dont think they are the same thing and i mean the being being able to define them clearly is part of the argument that i think were not going to have i mean i would say that the kind of accepted definition of populist is the view that the vast majority of people have the same interests. Those of those interests of pity to gain. A relatively small elite controlled society in its own interest is corrupt and selfserving if you can have populism of the left you can a populism of the right. Near nazis in these sort of selfexplanatory in a way its the sort thuggish street groups racist groups as you say like golden dawn in greece going far right is probably the most problematic of the three terms you mentioned. And theres a political are going to but who should be categorized as far right or not should the former to now be regarded as far right im not sure i would put them in that category but such you might disagree with me so you would put the Front National in the far right category are not it probably has some far right supporters in it i mean thats a different thing but as a whole i would say the. Are legitimate part of french politics and they cant not be they got a third of the of the vote in the president ial election just because Marine Le Pen got one third of the vote doesnt somehow legitimize her or normalize or seems to me david that youre arguing that simply because these parties have given voice to the supposedly long silenced grievances of the working class that somehow they are all a corrective to the political system and i would ask you do you think that parties advocating doing away with birthright citizenship banning mosque construction or banning the construction of minarets or hollow meet are these decent populists is a decent populism when the Danish Government decides that its going to take away valuables from refugees arriving i would argue that these sorts of ideas and these sorts of policies are actually a threat to our political systems and we need to distinguish between populist parties that are voicing grievances legitimate ones and those who are actually threatening the core values of our societies over there is absolutely no threat to liberal democracy in europe we have a lot of parties some. Some decent populist i think a legitimate populist and some illegitimate populism and racism is one of the obvious dividing lines or. Various forms of extreme islamophobia. But theres absolutely no evidence produced no evidence in his book that liberal democracy is about to collapse and already cited the ban in france which was then overturned thinking by the courts anyway everyone regarded as pretty rosy that what i would argue is that in a lesbian result lots of populace parties have been in government these alleged very results the fact that Marine Le Pen won thirty three percent on the platform that she ran on is evidence that some of these values are eroding im not arguing that liberal democracy has disappeared or is disappearing tomorrow and arguing that theres a dangerous trend throughout europe and we need to Pay Attention to it and what i think youre doing in your zeal to embrace your new political tribe in britain is your white washing a lot of very dangerous parties and dangerous ideas and that is a problem you dont have to agree with the populists or want to vote for them but it is important to distinguish i think that there are really nasty groups in europe and there are groups who you and to a lesser extent me disagree with but who are part of the legitimate mainstream of politics but what about the the f. D. A. The alternative in germany were a lot of people worried what a party that got back into the German Parliament seven decades on from when we actually saw actual nazis in the parliament obviously theyre not actually a nazi in a country like germany you cant even call people nazi without there being you know massive legal legal repercussions what you make of a party like that are you worried about a party like that being in parliament is that a threat to liberal. No i dont think it is actually i did read the manifesto it talks about the values you mean like moment it doesnt even really talk very much about reducing immigration it talks very much about reducing refugee inflows its a kind of its a popular nationalist conserved. Popular nationalist party i mean i think in most other countries in europe the would be regarded as pretty mainstream well unlike david ive actually spent some time discussing their ideas with the leaders of the day during the campaign and the year before and what i would say is that i have today is giving voice to views that were long to boo and some of those views are very dangerous many of the people who flooded into the day when it went from being a euro skeptic party to an overtly anti immigrant party drove out the founders of the day the people actually founded the party are no longer running it and if youll recall during the refugee crisis of late two thousand and fifteen then leader of the petri actually advocated using armed forces shooting at refugees who were coming across the border into germany more recently that i have today has failed to expel from its ranks a regional leader who has called the Holocaust Memorial in downtown berlin a monument of shame i would argue david that both of those examples are a direct threat to postwar german liberal Democratic Values no no you are but this is a kind of anecdotal ism i mean one leader or one official of a poet he says and what the party anecdotal isnt what most this is the leader of the party two years ago is a good thing look youve just written a whole book you could sasha you just written a whole book about how liberal democracy is under threat and you have failed to make this delineation i mean i think this is precisely what we should talk about so i think there is such a tendency amongst the the liberal moral panic because i would call them to regard all expressions of cultural and social loss as some form of xenophobia and racism and i think this is extremely destructive and lets talk about what is the legitimate delineation and i think your racism is the obvious is the obvious delineation i dont think Memorial Monument am is not racism. Well it depends what youre i mean i mean you know obviously the holocaust is part of a ship of germanys shameful past and i mean what did he mean by that i dont know i mean its as your element grandson if youre not jewish. Consider me. From Party Officials is not making a proper delineation i mean if the guy was a man that is not all then obviously hes on the road if you are the lawyer david if youre going to say its a Party Problem its just be clear to you so you want to make the delineation i want to hear your delineation is golden door nazi party in your view a racist party yeah but they were denied so im sure when you take their words you know why would you not take their word for they would say were not. I dont think they do deny it i mean youre going to begin to. Go into they go into they go into immigrant neighborhoods and they beat people up you know you just have to look at you have to look at what they do. And as far as i know the dont do that they dont deserve to us just to give you that you want you to know that there are certain exactly so you just of that just to be clear you think violence is the litmus test not just rhetoric you know and violence is absolutely clear when rhetoric is more complicated than is on the on the context you know whos saying it how representative of the party they are sasha well i would consider the statement of a party leader quite significant it seems to me that you think violence is beyond the pale but the advocacy of violence verbal e is just fine and going back to your point about moral panic im fine if you would like to cues me of stoking moral panic i would say that others including yourself are guilty of moral abdication in the face of the threats to media between two Different Things that we havent talked about you had mentioned earlier that you say elections the fact that theyre doing well elections is a worry liberal democracy may not be gone now but the trend theyre winning elections or getting into parliament the french are voting for independent ever greater numbers but what would you say to the argument thats more a failure of establishment parties not really a newfound love for the far right or for neo nazis or laurie bottles harvard professor a legend in this field hes argued that the wave of popular sentiment is a myth its political potential is still largely submerged attitudes fueling right wing populism have been remarkably stable since two thousand and two i would argue that theres something new going on i do agree that the left the center left in the center right to bear a great deal of responsibility their political failures and their inability to speak to these voters has led to the rise of these parties but the other thing that populist parties have done throughout europe and especially in countries like denmark and france is that theyve adopted the rhetoric of the old left there go. After White Working Class voters not just making these cultural arguments about immigrants flooding our societies and taking them over but theyre actually saying we will protect your welfare state but for you and no one else and i think that this is a very conscious effort to combine what was always a nativist position with the economic policies of the left and its proven very effective i think the idea the kind of teetering on the age of sort of mass programs which if you listen to what things all the time thats the impression you get is just completely wrong and alarmist and and i also think its very damaging its damaging to you know if you are a young british muslim and you and you listen to the people like sasha was saying about the age of islamophobia its going to its going to make you worried about joining the mainstream of your society about applying for the job ok so let me take a course and so on so let me take the point that david raises about you know especially minorities see this at all you exaggerating all you alarmist you said recently you suggested recently that such a White Nationalism is a threat to the west and to europe its a bigger threat that even quote unquote jihad is terrorism now david would say that is the exact alarmism hes talking about i would argue that white nationalists are a threat to this country the United States and to many European Countries because they can present themselves as natives who are valiantly defending the homeland against the invading hordes and they often do this and their Campaign Rhetoric and their policy proposals often reflect this view and what im arguing when i say that there are greater political threat than jihad this is that in his book tough rear is not going to wind power any time soon any european country but what weve seen with Marine Le Pen with the day theyve won thirty three percent in france thirteen percent in germany and the next time that theres a major terrorist attack in germany or france their numbers are going to go up and so david im not arguing that theyre going to be pulled tomorrow im. Saying that there is a dangerous trend in many of these countries and its something that we need to be careful and watch out for and to somehow just dismiss it and say oh that scaremongering thats crying wolf and all of these parties are just giving voice to important sentiments well have to leave it there gentlemen thank you both for joining me in the arena does our show up front will be back next week. Cut. And london four to twelve. U. S. And British Companies have announced the biggest discovery of natural gas in west africa but what to do with these untapped Natural Resources is already a source of heated debate nothing much has changed they still spend most of their days looking forward to full dry river beds like this one five years on the syrians still feel battered or even those who managed to escape their country have been truly unable to escape the war. You are making very pointed remarks where on line the main u. S. Response to drug use and the drug trade over the last fifty years has been decriminalized or if you join us on say no evil person just wakes up other than the morning in the sense i want to color the world in darkness and this is a dialogue and that could be what leading to some of the confusion online about people saying they dont actually know whats going on join the colobus conversation at this time on al jazeera. More protests in the palestinian territory again