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Heres what makes the smog so dangerous air quality is assessed by counting measure with a diameter of least than two point five micro meters were talking absolutely tiny here around thirty times finer than a human here so small it can only be detected with an electron microscope and small enough to get into your lungs and pass into the bloodstream causing heart and respect treat problems the equality and expose the upper limits for good ear at no more than fifty and the highest and most hazardous level on that index is three hundred plus the count for delhi at times of the last few days has climbed to double that up past six hundred. So marina just explained there a really serious problem now the pollution in new delhi is incredibly dangerous and people are very angry there are social media campaigns there have been protests in the street and many indians both in new delhi and in other polluted cities say the government is not doing enough so how can a problem like this be tackled and whats it like to live with this pollution every day joining us to discuss this other mater of childfree is an executive director at the center for science and environment from shivah vision is an independent journalist signal that here is our campaign at Greenpeace India and jyoti pandey leva cari cofounded the citizen run organization cafe yes thanks so much for being here i want to build up a picture of what its like to living in delhi northern india right now him you took a picture while you were driving thank you for that lets show everybody that picture i did. My before last and it was my go into my. Time. And suddenly there was. It was near you. And that is not surprising at all it was not surprising that you know about this surprise fortunately yesterday really. And this mall that you see tonight that vision was completely clear just going to be clear with. Its interesting im people definitely in delhi have been keeping track of what the weathers been like what the pollutions been like cobell says here please submit any images of videos you have of life as impacted by the horrific air pollution in delhi right now we show you some of these pictures so i scroll down here you can see the face mask and see the small the in the background. And i have no idea what this is but it looks pretty grim jyoti you measure your air all the time and you tell us what the air quality is like right now and how do you keep track of what its like. So the egg quality right now inside my house is hundred thirty one i dont know if you can see this but this is the laser that i use to measure the Equality League back not about just the time a little bit rather go back to that we consider twenty six. To twenty eight that the twenty eight and it is actually much just as i step outside off my house my main floor i do use your acquired sotos in my house and i know a lot of people cant afford to use them so i feel really privileged and even to afford these machines but i really also feel angry that i must be forced to use more and more devices. Ready to clean my own watcha i wash my own wash my own sinks and vegetables to get rid of chemical residue and now im supposed to feel the very air that we might share what used the same smoke. In this city just because we live here or without ever having touched a cigarette in his entire life hes poor and so are the rest of us because the inclusion in the city is so bad that there is no we around it we have to leave thats not the choice i make and i am so angry that today my environment minister says this is lot of problem my Prime Minister the main silence and mind that there is a Court Appointed body will the environment will loosen the control authority the head of that organization has also said this is not an emergency at all into actually was wondering why we are trying to get schools shut down and all this just makes me angry and sad that im living i just to live in this city. In which i can barely sleep now i feel like im suffocating the areas i can taste it it stings my eye. Yes and i can barely step out of my hole these are the things that i as a citizen essentially living i mean could you want to tell us from a violent point to what is going on in engage in the wintertime so that we actually can see the pollution social if i need to be in the right now so what is really important to understand is that what were experiencing right now this happens to be yoked particularly doing been done but you have a very loose weather condition now this is a dual challenge that want never you know pollution levels in the city are all the way to hard and then during winter when you have the still weather condition and thats exactly what happened these few days that the that you have absolutely gone and the shoes no rained inside the city to buoy to abate and temperature dropping and what we found that the seventh of november better than twenty four hours we have seen rapid and pretty quick buildup of pollution shooting up to a level that was six to seven times higher than the standards now this is a phenomenon we know that happens during window and this particular window of this mall that has built up has is just shocking small that we have just experienced but lets understand that we know that this is going to happen every window the question for nasa to ask is that this window going to be any different abi prepared to bend the question now let me just ask you on a meta jyoti showed us how way of measuring the quality as she was in the house what should it have right to have good clean as a result two hundred twenty six two hundred twenty eight what should it be inside your house. So what about inside the house but the quantity we do standard and the twenty four hour should be sixty mike to grab a cubic meter they should set sixty or. Sixty six but mine is that we have it in the city well as high as five hundred and will in fact m two point guard levels no more than three hundred which is considered to be the emergency level here so you can imagine what was happening so what we do need to understand is not that kind of a better condition the problem that you have is that gets trapped inside the city and when it gets trapped the pollution that is happening inside the city also get trapped and this is also that difficult to be in delhi this is the time when. The city are also changing the crops so the whole problem of stubble burning that we have if the wind is in this direction because this is the same issue that not that small as well gets mixed with pollution and that also gets trapped very close to the ground level maybe close to a noise level and that hes a sixty limit you dont want you just not to but you know what we did to you also to look at the data show we dont need to i want to do that just held tight for a moment as i want to bring in some of our community as well this is mona dolling my family was mosse when they go out for walk have stopped going out all morning walks have got Indoor Plants i call thing its a pool on headache almost every day because of pollution and then tells us weve got polluted moss to it shes an adviser on Health Hazards of pollution because in the short term people may respond differently over long term at pollution exposure as a moments health has it scenario. Space what is this doing to india has anything to. As duty as a lead to all mens and clearly that its not just barely. Has been and yet in just not a National Health emergency need be ready and out of all this or barely we are bleeding indeed hazardous levels and it is so has are those that decide off seeing a person with moscow and people buying it. So. If you or. What are you pulling out of the country as well as what living in delhi is it something. Is people are living in stockton. Night which according to their dogs which it is wrong for. Me will have a little trouble hearing you are going to come i am going to say were having no trouble hearing youre going to try reconnect and just move on to something that jyoti mentioned a little bit earlier and this seems indias minister of environment he said im not saying we shouldnt do anything about it everyone has to respond to what hes supposed to do but there is no need to spread panic among the people shiver youre a journalist youve been covering this story for quite some time is this a time to panic or not. Oh its beyond ballet yes absolutely and went into a situation beetroot had been pressing all and we didnt see bottles that should be the priority for politicians because this is affecting their Long Term Health the studies which show all the Health Studies which you know are going with that would know more about. Candy its shortening our lifespans it is causing millions of deaths in india off the top ten polluted cities in the world most of them are in india its not just delhi as we keep saying so it will be an environment minister says its not a panic situation what he sent to saying is dont blame me for doing nothing. And can i just add here or that this is the same environment and this twenty as it was that day the state Health Minister and lit the fan of opal smoking in Public Places and at that time he said that there was a key connection between smoking that was leaving in this one five and. This that and all current data as measured by the in two thousand and five and the same management says this is the modern emergency situation also just like to point out got monday goes give us the entry point five levels will. Watch whatever they say three hundred to five hundred but actually if i could be when we are looking at our laser x. Or up the measuring instruments or even privately such as those numbers are off the charts the day off of the quantity those numbers were at thirteen one hundred level and that is we are safe limits and i dont know how this data is being calibrated by the government or what is being done to it but frankly to be as it is and i dont even trust that the office into pollution control board which is actually giving these numbers to me in addition to that the simple pollution control board has it says commissioned a study between small diligent run between the age of i think four and seventeen and they came out with the result that there is in almost shot of these children there is in reversible a lot of damage this is a report that was commissioned by the center. And it lies buried somewhere in there other bureaucratic red tape that has not even been looked at or acted upon and that is what makes me sad and i mean we report released today by the indian pediatrics i think which says indian childrens loans are nowhere. So are they not the longs and at the same age if you compare those long as they are in the engine. And again that is not something that they chose to do its that theyre really just poor air and as a parent i feel bad about it as a citizen like you know i read that Michael Jackson money is not going to get this should be a National Mission this should be where our Prime Minister steps in and says this is a mission of National Importance and we need to set up an authority that can actually do care of this problem which is a quality viewing to ill health in a country equal i dont see that happening and that really needs only ends we have saying that the most pollution linked deaths occur in india we got those to a data point from twenty fifteen this is a real emergency for northern india adam minter right now there is an emergency plan in place what is happening and how is that managed to reduce the amount of pollution that youre seeing in northern india. So i think when i last looked at a two level one we know that the problem is that its growing and people are and angry because of the hussein and its very much a modern india and because like in modern india. And to the few look at the satellite pictures you will see very clearly that in northern india where because of the inclusion you pollution buildup is very hard but i think you know so going along the line of the night it took to the house to. Just think that there was a problem to looking at the all but you get to use what action and that has to be the bigger part of the conversation then just just beating on saying that theres a problem you know when its good that today people are a lot more people are talking about this not people are concerned about its on a major lets talk about this is not people and this and also motoring specific actions that have been happening. What are you saying were going to see me she said this i think from rachel says taliban and i ask what is so missing in handling air pollution in the entire country i think that the entire south asia must come together on this issue you seeing some action happening. So thats what im always going to doubt went out its not because im an enemy was going to diminish. What i meant that was what what the action part in the perspective so we so what i do you would like to see that this winter we are looking at the trauma different perspective because for the flush time in this country this region is starting with something called an emergency and i want to be example look to plants right now so now what about before even though we had this crisis get early on and did not have any. Police like beijing has or like practices so this year starting from the fifteenth of october we have said measures week one images images that include shutting down the power plants not allowing diesel generators sets in the city shutting down grid around the city and ben when these various c. B. S. Smaug built up a few days ago edition measures were started out which includes not allowing the trucks to come inside so i mean i think this is very interesting because you also you know i dont think that you are saying the action excuse me for one moment but shivam knows no. I dont see. Well i think that you know the evidence you planned with. Last december it was still got many months to fight after fight and youve got two cities there and pollution was rising by dealing with the one you know that im. After that it draws a lot. From day to seventeen november will really be the plantain ive got the government business covered. A lot these are big legal steps step on the steps not only are people who say to me no ceiling. When the smoke started coming to our senior white. Thats right. Betty i mean if you can i cut my theory. I remember the sheriff because we were watching live right now a new hundred pound law says instead situation reversible we spoke to a professor. And hes been doing research for an International Food policy Research Institute where researchers at peking university i woll of course chinas been in the headlines about the pollution and. The room packed and what china has been doing what perhaps help india have a lot. My recent research with colleagues is that if free and peking university find the strong evidence that people feel unhappy and the mentally ill suffer from malkuth the making of declining as a result of air pollution exposure in the past of five years the Chinese Government to beautiful very strong calling an interceptor electric car system and also in power e. P. A. To clean the environment in the national will print the address the patient house and the go beyond that to address the population house to involve medical sectors such as e. P. A. To the house sector in in addition to the ministry of house scenario china is no longer the most polluted area in the world but theyre still struggling with pollution but they are making some concrete steps how do you fill the interesting compared to china. Just on to the converted. Point china is moving on to cleaning the only because the systematic and complete uncertainty on the middle was meant when there are some steps being taken by the government but i would like to see the steps with government is taking are in reaction to the high priest levels whereas the grab. What was supposed to be recourse and then to planned other than the estimate the emergency plan so that that one and adding on to what you dont and then doesnt seem to be serious action from the moment i would like to bring in these big polluters which are industries and from a power plant on a meter mention one power plant which has been turned down which is in all london is symbolic think. About what happens to other power plants which are in three hundred kilometer radius at least of delhi and they have been polluting the day and night to sixty five days a year there have been new instance standards in place by the Central Government by midst of an alarm and therefore they are getting only two years same for all these recorders to get copied and reduce emissions from their power plants but today we are less than a month away from that deadline of two years which is on certainly some of the content and there doesnt even seem to be a single power plant in the country which is. Rooted in last years complaining under present to the new north and this is the seriousness we are sowing in terms of acting on reducing pollution levels this is definitely not being. Under reasonable limits and you are relieved from this National Health emergency yes we are moving but where are we moving and what are we moving on is definitely something to be asked and i hope this is not the same when we fail then you dont end up on a. I think thats a very important point and i think thats why we need to look at the Second Opportunity that is just now has gone who and that is the comprehensive action plan because the pool the Supreme Court has been very clear the set that the city cannot be on all the time so you just also directed to the hints about action and this is going to get kind of knives and will to live at the end of this week where they have i didnt do quite short medium and long term measures for teaching you should india and the National Capital region with the way he had timeline repeat. Supposed to be responsible for it and once that. The grant has been multiplied then that becomes directly wanted to under scrutiny with a Compliance Strategy and i think we should leave that manager but im going to give us a big about what you just painted i think is limited and it also. Has a way quite pacing in that it really is all the advantages again if they have to want to me is why didnt they say theyll finish your sentence pulls. Not well i would think yes we have been speaking about grab a little who are middle to be limited in the early what what what is happening all across the country that something from the weve learned led the people to know that theyre the only barely beyond that and the bill didnt do die in in live people with a little thought on that and has to be met and were still learning from playing along what what what. I mean the man dont screw leaving without a brain wont ever be any more terrible how tight am i was that event of the country and it could only be of limited value really are in that little time of them and thats our program of them to be in a metal ep and theyre going to get the magic time on and the ring does he what do you want to. I wanted to add very quickly that closely when you have an emergency you dont have a really good response to it you act instantly i ask who is us to schools have not been shut down air quality is didnt secure its poor but the government is waiting for the rains to pump that there be a few days of sunshine and they can do the schools matches are happening hot marathons up the run so were all complicit its not just the government that is responsible there are corporates who should be practicing this was your responsibility to instead of that they are bringing they are sponsoring our runs and a sports game and children are going up to play football matches might my son have a pool ball match and i am a bit into all that is not how i should be doing what it should be stopping the sick duty the city needs to shut down to show that there is a serious is a big dent because we have the money we have the best raised we have been united Cultural Institute which can work on the crops up will learn english we have a start up india our Prime Minister keeps talking about the media how do you need a lawyer when i dont even program in kelty and have an enemy transcendental thank you so much for taking part in this program the conversation continues. 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