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For the last month or so weve been bombarded with revelations of how powerful men have misused their positions story after story has appeared accusing the hollywood mogul the Box Office Star of the senior politician of Sexual Harassment and this week a British Government minister was forced to resign whats particularly telling is that very few of us are really surprised and that almost every woman has a story to tell and its global lower burden man the reports now on the wave of allegations of Sexual Harassment and a growing public reluctance to accept it. It began with hollywood producer and filmmaker Harvey Weinstein when reports of Sexual Harassment spanning three decades first surfaced in october an avalanche of similar allegations followed including revelations he paid millions of dollars to silence his victims accusations of Sexual Misconduct and a piece where then leveled at some hollywoods other big names women and some men flubbed it social media with a hash tag me too at times to recount instances in which they were abused then similar accusations struck the corridors of power at westminster in london this man until wednesday was British Defense secretary michael phantom was forced to resign after whats being described as inappropriate behavior towards his cabinet colleagues and a female journalist. In the past i may have fallen below the high standards that we require of the forces that i have to represent. And its not just in the west women improved vying to represent the country at the Miss Universe competition surprise the audience when instead of revealing that body measurements they revealed these strong messages mean i mean my god my name is camilla khanna called her and i represent the department of lima my figures are two thousand two hundred two cases of reported fame aside in the past nine years in my country. A poll of International Experts found peru had one of the highest number of cases of abuse against women but the survey places cairo as the most dangerous city for women to live in delhi and sao paolo emerged as the worst cities in terms of risk of Sexual Violence. The fatal gang rape of a woman on the delhi pass in two thousand and twelve led to a wave of protests and jolted many in india out of apathy over the treatment of women it forced the government to toughen penalties for sex crimes. And its everywhere but will this growing resistance make a difference nor about a man named al jazeera. All right lets introduce our guests now in new york we have caroline to harass a french womens rights activist from providence in the u. S. State of rhode island Matthew Gutman a professor of anthropology at Brown University and the author of several books on latin american masculine c. And from montreal in canada we have Mona Eltahawy a columnist and commentator on arab muslim and global feminism issues caroline can i start with you in new york how would you characterize this moment we have seen a month of these accusations many of them quite lurid quite detailed with seen a lot of men in power under pressure weve seen the first high profile politician to resign is this a watershed moment in the issue of Sexual Harassment against women i think that we live a moment where we break illusion of equality illusion of equality its that in our country i think in every mosque on trains a word when you speak about gender equality people say or k. Ok its ok no you have no problem we have gender equality in france we hears that every day or care ok you have no problem you have all right now so this moment in very important because we break we put out. A few quality and we sure thats in reality in friends. Like everywhere in the world we dont have equality now so its a first step we brags edition of equality and now we have to. We have to make Public Policy to stop this violence against women because matthew were talking about sexual hire assessment that is the language that we using at the moment does Sexual Harassment inevitably lead to Sexual Violence i dont think it inevitably leads to Sexual Violence but i think that they are of a piece it seems to me that the moment today is one of tremendous argument debate and struggle over these issues just think of the election and inauguration of one of the most bullying. Sexist figures in the history of the United States donald trump and the response the day later by a massive demonstration of women and men denouncing. Sexual harassment Sexual Violence and a list of other things so that you feel you see the polar opposite opinions and experiences being brought out and the clash is really going on and i think thats what weve been seeing in the last month in every part of the world that these things are being brought out in public in important new ways and that men are coming to you a clash says matthew and this this being a very important moment in terms of the equality of women how is this class being played out if a troll in the middle east i know youre actually from egypt you live a lot of the time part of the year anyway at least in cairo. Yes i think this is a fantastic moment for global feminism for the idea that we have to dismantle institutionalized patriarchy across the world and it that patriarchy exists in every country now one of the ways that we began to look at it with more scrutiny in the middle east and north africa was after the waves of uprisings that swept across the region that began in tunisia in two thousand and ten came to my country egypt in two thousand and eleven and those uprisings continue to reverberate women are looking around and asking well wheres our revolution are these men that we marched in the streets with our allies or do we have to overthrow overthrow them as well so the way that i often phrase it is that if we rose up against the dictators in the president ial palaces our revolution in order to be complete must also be a revolution against a dictator on the Street Corner and a dictator in the bedroom in the boardroom everywhere but thats what were realizing now absolutely might have begun in hollywood but its spreading across the world because exists across the world mona just recently a month or so ago cairo was named as the most dangerous city in the world for a woman to live. Yes absolutely there is see this is the difference im im so glad that your first guest said this is a good time for you know for lack of a better term western feminism to recognize that equality has not been reached we are not in a post from a society in the socalled west we definitely recognize this in other parts of the world whether its in india or egypt or nigeria where im going next month we have always recognize that its dangerous on the street we have always recognized that we are denied opportunities and i think what happened when those actresses came out and spoke out against Harvey Weinstein and now a minister has been forced to resign in the u. K. Is that the west now is also recognizing we have not overthrown patriarchy we have not overthrown these dictators and i think that its time for western American Families im where a sexual predator donald trump was voted president by fifty three percent of white women voters its time for american feminism to listen to feminists in india in egypt in nigeria and other parts of the world where we have never claimed to be postfeminist and where we recognize yes its dangerous or i are fighting Matthew Simone is talking about a revolution of overthrowing the patry arche it doesnt sound like a very good time for men im just wondering from a male perspective what is Sexual Harassment about is it the way men behave is it the way they are wired or all these behaviors picked up over time through society through conditioning. You see to me i think youve gotten to one of the biggest problems when you say is this the way theyre wired i think this is really gets to the heart of the debate in many situations are men in fact will boys be boys and is that the heart of the problem and you may not like it you may not like how donald trump behaves or Harvey Weinstein or anybody else but they are just acting like men and i would say im phatic lee that is not the case what theyve been able to do is act with impunity and we need to stop that in many cities around the world including in mexico city south paolo and Rio De Janeiro in latin america you have subway cars during rush hour that are for women only but you also have tremendous debate over whether this is a good thing or a bad thing to happen in fact you have feminists opposed to these cars on the basis of thinking that this is capitulating to male bad i say literally what we need to do is stop that absolutely the emphasis the emphasis on you have other men coming along and saying this is just what men are going to do if they can get away with it and then i dont think thats true the end of the emphasis matthew always seems to be a poem the woman having to be here eight change mitigate modify her behavior in order to accommodate the bad behavior of a man and i think seems to be absolutely this. And if men and of men are not part of the solution here they are part of the problem and its not good enough for men to decide i dont do these things i dont sexually assault i dont sexually harass the fact is if theyre not doing something to stop it they are part of the problem as well and catherine im just wondering there is there is a balance to be maintained isnt there relations between men and women particularly in the west they have to be maintained we cant have men feeling so intimidated by the prospect of being accused of being. That ordinary relations did not continue so there is a fine line to be trodden isnt there. I think its very funny because in friends. After me to we i staggered by dont. Denounce you pig. You know name your piegan and hundred of thousands of woman uses i staggered to denounce. And i. Arrest mentor or rape and it was very interesting to see is a reaction of a lot of for full man to say oh my god be careful we are not all people like that you know so i was very very funny because there are stacks to denounce your pig then else the program you know and some men feel concern so i ask immediately if you feel concerned by. Arab so you have a program and i think that men as women everybody in the society in france but i think everywhere in the word as a form of thought iran says about violence against women you know when you are with your family in a diner and you you are eating and somebody for example say oh my god somebody steal my bag in the street everybody will say oh my god thats all for do you want we we give we go to the bullies to say to do something what could we do to help you so if somebody in the diner say oh my god im being raped by somebody everybody looks like that oh my god shes just oh can i have a piece of cake please and the subjects go out so i think that we have to change in our society is the luke about the look about the violence against women and people i have to be intolerant. About is the violence against women in the streets but in their houses too because i dont know the number in oz arc. Untrue but in france i think its the same in us or in egypt or in latin america in france eighty two persons eighty percent of the people who are raped knew the aggressor eighty person so a lot of people for a lot of women it was home. At work it was not in the streets so we have to act against our resident in the trade but we have to act in society and home to mona its quite interesting isnt it. To consider the cultural differences the cultural level of tolerances and the different conventions between the sexes and understanding the social cues tell us a bit more then about what happens now in egypt as weve already said its already been deemed the most dangerous place city in the world for women but tell us how men and women interact well i think one of the hardest problems for women in more conservative cultures is to speak out about sex in general and when it comes to Sexual Violence as as often is the case with women across the world but especially so in conservative societies women are held accountable for violence that happens to them so where asked what were you wearing why were you there why were you alone with him why did you get into a car with him and i guess i recognize that these are questions that have plagued women across the world but in especially conservative societies these are very problematic because it puts the woman between a rock and a hard place because then shes unable to speak out because of the shame shes unable to speak out because shes going to be victimized twice shes already been victimized by the Sexual Violence and shes going to be victimized by her society but also the laws that we have in place in egypt for example after more and more women because of the revolution in two thousand and eleven after more and more women were. Willing to speak out about Sexual Violence both in the home and outside on the street we had tougher laws put in place but its not about laws its about dismantling a systematic and institutionalized patriarchy that allows boys and men to behave in this way so whats happening in egypt now is many women have joined the hashtag me too Movement Many women in lebanon many women across the region have because again this is a global scourge or what we have to recognize in egypt is we have to overcome this conservative silencing of women all if you days ago on egyptian Satellite Television a lawyer of all people said that women who wear torn jeans deserve to be raped he actually said its a yes or shmona we saw that the result of that our National Council with egypt has spoken out what id like to ask you i mean we get an idea of how appalling it is for many women in cairo in egypt but what im wondering from you is how do you start to dismantle the patriarchy as you say the legislative program is in place how do you legislate for for ideas for for customs and habits and traditions. What what you what you do is you you tackle this idea that everyone knows but they fail to act because that idea existed and enabled men like Harvey Weinstein and a whole bunch of other men who in the us have been either kicked out of their jobs or forced to resign and that idea exists on multiple levels everyone knows these things happen but they fail to act and i would like to introduce into the discussion as well the muslim scholar Tariq Ramadan who is egyptian swiss and he has been accused by several women of Sexual Violence he has denied these claims but several women have accused him of Sexual Violence now as a muslim woman i understand how difficult it is for these women to speak out because what youre dealing with here and now im taking the conservative context and putting it globally as muslim women especially in western societies were caught between and islamophobia right wing that wants to demonize all our men all muslim men and were caught between the muslim communities in which we live that insists on defending all our men so what is a muslim woman to do whether she lives in egypt or concert Christian Women in egypt also have to wade through conservatism so when you take that and you put it on a global context and youre a muslim woman who lives in europe or who lives in the u. S. Today where there is growing islamophobia and racism it makes it even harder so what we have to do is yes we have to continue with hashtag me to we have to continue speaking out but we have to dismantle patriarchy by beginning to dismantle the new but they fail to act all right the muslim learn it is no filter and i jump in the workplace is new but they fail to act college at any level because id like to go to matthew and get an idea of the situation in latin america which is a region in which matthew specializes now it also has a very very high rate of femicide has high rates of Sexual Harassment against women and also this is often linked to this kind of behavior is linked to this this this perception of machismo explain what machismo is within the last in american context and whether that is indeed the fit leaf if you like which covers up bad behavior. See i think that blaming much is small and saying theres some kind of particular peculiar cultural trait about people who speak spanish is a dead end just as it is to say that working class men are the real problem and theyre much less educated an educated man wouldnt harass women weve seen so clearly in recent days how false that kind of thinking is and as your other guests have pointed out repeatedly these problems are not unique to one region of the world nonetheless you have rampant problems of Sexual Harassment throughout latin america as you do elsewhere. I think that the solutions to these things are political theyre social theyre cultural theyre it is illogical and so i think that if in terms of dismantling the patriarchy we need to look to the fact that men are still the governing body of people in every single state Legislature Government around the world with a few exceptions like rwanda which has a majority women in their National Parliament but i just came from china and men again were put in charge of the government there are i come from the United States were all white men will sit around discussing Womens Health absently in latin america actually you have a major problem so you also have had ten heads of state whove been women which you havent had in the United States so to say that latin america has a particular problem it does but it shares this with other parts of the ok catherine weve talked an awful lot about Sexual Harassment against women in gender parity is it seems to be the fundamental issue here but what about men at the recent allegations of also included sexual harness ment of men now if a man comes to you and your consultancy and complains of being sexually her wrist either by woman or indeed in another mad. How would you respond how would you deal with his case you know a victim is a victim its a woman its a man its a black its a why its a victim is a victim and there is a lot of violence in our society if you are almost six years old if you are a woman if you were disabled. You are you could be victim of violence so every viewer violence is a program my subject is to understand why women are massively massively in each country victim of violence and to find a solution you speak about our or it is possible to make a law to change idea we cant put a law in the parliament to say ok now are you things that violence is a bad thing its not possible but we can act privileged policy can change our mind and in france we see that signs twenty years we have massive major Public Policy for example on road safety and in twenty years in france with change our mind on road safety we do kate all the children in all school in france we teach road safety to our children we recruit Public Servant to make to apply the law and or our president or for public take make a lot of t. V. To say oh road safety is a priority and we make a Major Campaign of communication it france we depend twelve million a furor each year during ten years to make campaign of communication about the subject so in twenty year we change radically or way to think the road safety i think that its the same violence against women if we educate all the children if we recruit the big sell. And and forms them if all is a medical person a big servant were formed to detect violence and to take care of women we will end the violence very quickly very quickly parents in ten or twenty twenty years but its quickly or i and if tomorrow or if every president in the world in an american for example but all as a world make a big summit to say ok now we and violence against women and we will put manee on the table to do that i think that our warts cooled in twenty or thirty years and violence against women thank you very much indeed catherine the house Matthew Gutman im Mona Eltahawy thank you all very much indeed really nice and a program with everyone agreeing now thank you as ever for watching the program if you want to see it again as im sure you will you can go to the web site our jazeera dot com if you want more discussion go to our Facebook Page facebook dot com forward slash a. J. Inside story and theres a to it as the hurdle is at a. J. 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