Those are the headlines on aljazeera the stream is next. Facing the realities your president said that there would be a complete audit under present order that orders hasnt happened getting to the heart of the matter so are you saying then that the future of the g. C. C. Will be. Here their story. On talk to how does it. At this time. High and ok and join the stream live on aljazeera and you tube what happens if catalonia really declared independence from spain its been ten days of violence protests and fiery debate theres been a push for dialogue on both sides but the issue remains tense on todays program where hear from you and separatists in barcelona. Us has make it without following the conversation on line thats right by me and the opinions have been as divided online as they are in the streets heres a taste two people with very different views yes its evident that if from the institutions from the government of catalonia they are labeling you as a member of the far right as a fashion for the reason of defending the territorial unit this creates a climate of hostility that makes you can not express an opinion or not be able to express yourself with in society i mean this in the. Most likely. Will declare independence tomorrow it will do so as a matter of fact credibility. Credibility because it has to do so because of the referendum so this would be declared after proclaiming the results of the referendum. Because after seeing even the king of spain they didnt even have a word for the victims of the Spanish Police. It is pretty clear that this funny state doesnt even consider the continent i think film citizens anymore. But the points they race have been the theme of conversations online for more than ten days heres a snapshot of it all from the referendum on october first until today under house side catalonia as this heat map shows discussions intensified as events on the ground heat up from the vote to the Police Crackdown to protest for and against independence but those rallying for secession are also using cotton on hashtags like Independence Day i got that money out and what translates to madrid it robs us on the other side pro unity voices are calling for dialogue using the spanish hash tag blame us and lets recover our common sense of the events and got to know me i have also caught the attention of people outside of the region thousands of us. In the bar city of bilbao in the north of spain filled the streets in support of catalonia as independence lawmakers in ireland also showed their support as did residents of greece switzerland and scotland ill be bringing in your comments to todays program so tweet us with hash tag you do story i mean now joining us in barcelona mater missy kaye is a student and spokesperson for universities for public also in barcelona ses are rubio is a student and catalan unionist and jonah hole is the Senior Correspondent for out in syria hello everybody good to have you here martin and say these are im really curious about all different experiences of students on either side of this debate martyr when youre going around your daily life you going for your student life are you getting any pushback from your views that cattle are should be independent from speight. Well weve been realizing or this week then and all these fires. And we see more than ever before that it is time to reclaim the republic therefore it is our role to be in the streets and to show we get and people that we have to be with now whenever they need us so its all for you if you feel very strongly that catalonia should remain part of spain are you getting any pushback is your daily life change are people reacting to you in any specific way. So these are what went on. In my own event. When i was burning with on clothes. So im going. To be going. And im just going. To want to i was in school and i was how did you. Im just looking at some reporting journey that you did from just twenty four hours ago and the session is catalan state to the streets after a referendum this idea of the silent majority you were saying they were silent no longer what were they telling you here well what we have would have been goes with the lead back to earth perhaps we are but this was only something shouted out haha titus is a gentle gentle carrier of the earth. Her this was a rally that took place in barcelona on sunday anything between three hundred and nine hundred thousand by the very conflicting reports of the numbers on the streets it was pretty extraordinary because this was an secessionist as you say a mix of of of unionist five spanish flags on the streets and the cattle insignia its the sort of thing that people havent seen here in barcelona and in catalonia for for decades really and you got a sense that this was a really quite genuine out pouring of feeling from people who have not felt able to say how they feel about this independence issue up to now because they feel that their views are not welcome that their views are actively suppressed in the media here one young woman said were tired of being the majority but being told that were not the majority there is this expression there just the five or six which seems to come up in the media here there were only five or six of them or three hundred or four hundred or what have you on sunday they finally had the opportunity openly to give voice to their sense of very strong sense that this country should remain united and i think it was remarkable though i suspect it must have had some impact on catalonia as leaders just to see the scale of opinion that is not in fact behind them martin let me show you some of the images that ses are shared with us this is his on sunday title so muscat aluna. And then his Vantage Point of where he was protesting that catalonia should stay part of spain when you see all of those people out there in the streets when he what jonah said about this silent majority how do you react what would you say to them. To them that. Much for freedom of expression so it is totally their right to demonstrate in a straight i was you have to go out and they had a space to speak up which was the referendum that happened in defers to look to what they could have said told their own opinion in this referendum and and of course. I would suggest them to to give expressing them but also the they got that in people who have been going massively in the streets or will years and and they showed it in a very democratic way on sunday that there is actually my date which is or in the end of the march i hear what youre saying we of course saw pictures of people who are Pro Independence and those who are against it but what of those in the middle who are running for the undecided so take a look here im going to read a couple of tweets and the author of this over to use those are bertie on twitter says its not the vote results that count its the pictures of police against ballot boxes choreographed this person says by the catalonian government thats a scar another person dirty ways and that the response by police seem very heavy handed and not at all whats expected of western democracies and are only give more legitimacy to the cuts alone in cars so there is a sense that that Police Violence someone say are pushing people towards one way or the other i want to give you one more view here your thoughts on that this is shave year from barcelona and this is what he had to say about that. You know most. Of the. Part of yeah yeah. Yeah. But. The. Closer you yeah. Yeah. Yeah so there. Are some of your. Mom and i. Know them well. Enough so says our has seen the the reaction from the Police Caused people to push one of the other. Well i mean what i meant by the winds not a lot is whether it was even me i mean when i demoed. Did i was reported to girls ive heard my opinion was in reply to what i need words are not a bad scene but when he was i didnt i was. Mad but i remember going to bed and i doubt. Its mean during which sometimes weve been the most rooting of students and lots of people who are rad just not just loading for a ride but. When theyre met with this gratitude what is from god on your use it you know used i was worried about him as against that i didnt feel that movement and i. Do or something i. Guess i wont get i want to bring in a little piece of video this is from King Philippe of spain he very rarely makes national t. V. Addresses but dont type this is said he said this have a listen. Theres at the at the in bomb it that i mean our self is they got that onya you dont want it they did out on to the n. T. They leave it other and when it will incomplete in them like honesty to see an issue is stuck on me im against the laid get or nothing but of different. Solutions to to finish the study cuss you out or beatin consuls if you know someone that i know them nominate a system of the ego thats not myself for a while last little the moment they must on no one knows enough of me ceiling i feel a spoiler has been a star or a lesser thing ive got that ana is stuff like brother and friend other is so bloody how this im innocent but i feel those are fake those she recently me and those are saudi that get on either you need done ive gone bush by notice youre going to look their response when it includes hope will implode and years of their stuff in the other going on we go short the island they got that onya either told espana jonas since the march of the silent majority whats been happening in catalonia embassador now that you can report on for us whats the latest. Well theres a sense that everybody sort of holding their breath now because the next big moment comes on tuesday at six pm local time here when the regional president karzai to demand delivers an address to parliament to its builders a report back to parliament on the referendum but many people believe and certainly people within his own alliance the Pro Independence alliance believe that he may use this opportunity to unilaterally declare independence from spain on the basis of the results of the referendum on the first of october so in a sense theres a sort of sense of a sense of status at the moment everybody waiting for that big moment to arrive of course that would be an Enormous Development if it were to come and madrid the government in madrid the Prime Minister and again on monday the deputy Prime Minister promising effectively a furious response they have the possibility at least of invoking a never before used clause of the constitution in response to a declaration of independence that would effectively revoke the autonomy of catalonia that would plunge this place into a deep deep and very dangerous constitutional crisis motta and you may remember when many costing is round about conversations that were happening online one of the has tax was lets talk how much conversation is happening between independence and staying as part of spain the nationalist argument how much conversation is happening across that divide mati start. Well they got the land lumbermen has been vaguely about it got our government is open to any dialogue or mediation theres been many proposals on mediation and at the canteen and government has accepted and because the woman has accepted all kind of table was open to dialogue but the only one that is not responding to this day and is Spanish Government at the moment also if you allow me to look to speak about one thing that was mentioned before i would like to be the repression received in the first looked over was actually repression at the end of it we are almost nine hundred people being injured so or i find no you surprising the relation that. Says i beat before. It really doesnt have anything to do and also even when we get to hear the speech of the kink the king didnt even mention depression that was happening to go to narnia how was he going to replace and go to donia if he doesnt even care about activities and of course get an answer and be asking for a proclamation of the garden republic of the home to ball to be represented they are comes from the letter and the gun has never been to both an oval but the notion that he was able to go i mean im a firm on the Barrier Islands but theres a friend in the lab and. You know the good schools were supposed to be crossed. So what ive been doing there i mean i think i dont think when the model or the referendum is an egg im looking through hours of work instead of the constitution im all for so i mean were going to be honest were going tomorrow god has. Been abandoned democracy means giving the power to people i dont know monday you try to do so and to the people and you implemented a referendum and you hold this referendum and try to do it as more with the morse guarantees us passable but then you see how you i repressed by the Spanish Government doing their weeks people had no i dont think. The the wildcat is to do their job and then theyre searching for by loads you know that the referendum doesnt happen and in the end the first act of everything happens in our normal way until the moment that the spanish buddies ascend to look to take all the ballot boxes from from all the polling stations and so it repressing people and im saying its. The heart people who were children and all the people they hurt more than that more than eight hundred people this is not a joke these are you saying no you are great and this is the way to vote in the barrel and a lot of people have faith and youre going to get im going to have. These were just. Didnt. Something that. Ive been led and ill just say im going i will lead to something that im supposed to do tomorrow. And i will spend it you have the spanish passport where are you going to do we are going to really believe where you were an old school and right now you have as and you would. Use and we. Says are i think that is actually a really good question its one i want to bring our International Community in on as well what will happen on october tenth if. Government does declare independence what will happen if they dont so heres two views charles on twitter says madrid cannot and will not negotiate with a Regional Governor who has rebelled against the nation and is leading it insurrection thats one view and this is another this is josep whose video you saw earlier in the show he says the Central Government has been absent for many years and cuts and anya and this is allowed for the independent tends to think that they are in a separate reality it looks jonah jonah it looks i want to bring you in here because it looks like this is intractable it looks like a negotiation is not going to happen so if there is a call for independence on the tenth what do you see happening next more protests. I mean its incredibly difficult to know what might happen next i mean in in it to in a totally sort of linear fashion if there is a declaration of independence well then it will be for madrid and the government in madrid to react to that they may choose to take the hardest line possible they threaten to do it the socalled Nuclear Option try to remove revoke catalonians autonomy that seems to be an extraordinarily hard line approach they may at that point seek somehow to talk some kind of dialogue but the question of what future lies ahead for an independent catalonia if we assume that independence does in fact come to pass and that the minted brand new minted state emerges here is a complex one because the European Union the European Commission has said that that independent catalonia would not automatically be a member of the European Union it would have to reapply for membership that would require the the the assent of all existing members of the European Union including spain so the Spanish Parliament itself would have to sign on to that and just in the last twenty four hours or so the French European Affairs minister said that france would not even recognize a declaration of independence by catalonia so you know its incredibly complex and very difficult to know what might happen will there be riots will there be protests conceivably yes although it has to be said that with the exception of the violence on the first of october which i must say both sides of that i have spoken to universally condemn with the exception of that violence this has been a remarkably peaceful process on both sides both the Pro Independence and anti independence camps they protest they demonstrate they speak out they dont up to now at least fight over it let me just share with you what kyung i was referencing and this is from the European Commission just look at this last line here the referee. Dont want to be organizing lie with the spanish constitution it would mean that the terror train leaving would find itself outside of the European Union mater if you kind of fast forward a little bit if you get what you want which is independence from the rest of spain what do you think might be the biggest consequence of that. The biggest going to cleanse of business is that there will have to be a contradiction or brussels that means that all these structured should be created from zero users actually both but if theres no way we can make sure that there we have a country that really has as a fundamental value because and the market is the not as the Spanish State that were living in today so this means that it will be also our talents to make all i wont fight possible it is our time to. Get the republic where. Justice where people are. We got a mare where we can really make sure that people are least heard and not like its been happening because they see what i hear the principals i hear the theories of this im just wondering what the potential timeline could be and how this could be practical. Well we are as we are waiting for it tomorrow so to see the new republic being proclaimed also the battle of government has me very about the fact that proclamation has to be to get weaved a direct and without mediation so call it what we end for my organization the way we see it is that there is are only one way which is and having the republic at this same town that there is a mediation was probably with an International Agent thats what i see work but now it is time we also for the Spanish Government to do it without a look we goes its not allowing anyone to dialogue and well one thing that. The government i mean our brain is not a. Good language one man with a gun and things are going to mean nothing to balance were going to go back to spain just a question and was maybe a little slow here so sorry about it and so we must ensure i can answer the question so ill basically there was a referendum and the grocer told me not me read one now it has lived in what it was it was and illegal it was a referendum that was by the by the catalan book relation so the fact an impediment had been rico now used by the cattle n. Population in the election deans or goes in fifteen which way i just remember the little ones with yes theyre not but so and so the question. Has to be about how to look implement all the results of the referendum but. Isnt even going to go on the road from going for long. Because a number of people that were inside the bellman is and you have. So what we do is we. Look at. And we didnt just let me just also as somebody whos watching from the outside in this is the is the results of the referendum here so ninety percent of people who voted said yes we want a separate catalonia seven percent said no just over seven percent but how many people voted lower under the lesser so that that is an issue is it not mater not exactly it is you got a point a silent majority there is a fair. But you can remember. Its not exactly because one thing that might be going to you is that many bunnings close by the Spanish Police so it was similar to. That that that basically cements my point in that if not enough people voted there is a problem there were Going Forward with saying that the majority would like to separate from main part of spain hold tight for a moment because were not really most at the end of this part of the program that were going to take the conversation on like malaysia so i will into this comment via you tube from hunter who says i feel the cause of unionists for reform and unity are being drowned out because of the current independent demonstration but separation doesnt guarantee economic improvement which means one liner talking about the economics of this all so much more to talk about martyr sezar jonah hole thank you so much being part of our program today our conversation continues always online at hash tag eight a street take everybody. On accounting a cost u. S. 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