Casualties to the saudi Led Military Coalition in two thousand and sixteen along with dozens of attacks on schools and hospitals and those that the coalition has put in measures in place to improve Child Protection as the headlines news continues in aljazeera after the strain keep it here more to come. Witness documentaries that open your eyes at this time on aljazeera. Imo they could be out and youre in the stream live on aljazeera and you tube and twenty sixteen the a bowl outbreak that killed more than eleven thousand in west africa was declared officially over people in sierra leone liberia and guinea were delighted to take a look at this music video that was released at the time. Right. Now. These. Amazing video but was it really over after a bola Health Services in the three countries affected were decimated and doctors and nurses were dead economies were hurt leading to job losses and the survivors of the disease were often stigmatized and shunned so almost four years after the outbreak where do things stand now joining us now john james is head of communications for unicef sierra leone. Is an ebola survivor in monrovia liberia back to worry is founder of the survivor dream project in london. Is Deputy Director of the National PublicHealth Institute in monrovia liberia and Infectious Disease epidemiologist who joins us on the phone welcome to the stream and everyone now for day you were last on this show in twenty fifteen take a look here at my laptop the driver one of the people profiled and several pieces of coverage on the able the outbreak how is life changed for you since then. Well. Under the. Weather. You know there are some patients. And thats im not going to get much in my. Eyelid but a tangle for how i am. Now and. You know Time Magazine named you person of the year one of them and this is in twenty fourteen can see the cover here the ebola fighters. How human thinking of the reason you were named its because you had this Ambulance Company and you were out there face to face with people who needed you or how how was that company doing and are you still in that line of work. We ask you since we since. He is with me in person to be based on so. And im tree i think that person be it the companies and skimped because. This is there is no support. And i said this is it was. One for us and another just simply that. And actually. There is no support so we have to scale so. Yeah. And you know. Thanks for sharing your story for i just want to get another story and so we the reason why were doing the show in the first place right now at this time is because somebody in our community is name is boise he tweeted us his story hes in sierra leone hes in a bowl a survivor so. Id like you all to take a listen to this and then fought to id like you to respond this is posey and sierra leone. My family was torn and thats why he did leave you with a roast that broke out in just doesnt fall to my billings my mother all contracted the illness to laugh at me when i did they were taking to deal. With what she did little me and my three siblings who labels us all day the virus. I surveyed in the various i mentioned Online Fundraising come in on who phoned me you know to. Get some forms and study in the United States of america. So me and everybody around the world and to me realize my dream will still be in the United States of america. So far to boise touches on some of the issues that come after you survivable you work with survivors and we hear about you know peoples families are gone its often hard to find work in their stigmatized when you talk to both survivors how do they see their own futures. I mean theres a story is many survivor stories and not to as a solely speak on their behalf the survivor dream project came about because we saw a gap especially for women who were surviving well and we wanted to give them the space and the troops to be able to recover not just a mattress sixty dollars and a certificate that says your survivor which was what a lot of survivors were receiving after leaving the Treatment Centers we wanted them to redesign and really have the space and the capacity in the tools to pick up the pieces and to really consider what surviving means and what it looks like in the context that they they find themselves in im watching that video of jubilation right after we were declared able to free brings back so many memories but it also brings a reality that was you touched upon which was a lot of survivors went to the streets that day in freetown also with everyone the entire community entire nation was happy that we were finally out of the one of the darkest moments in our history a lot about survivors could not stay on the streets a free time to celebrate a lot of them went home early and they said here a lot of people celebrating that all is gone but for us the struggle continues they didnt feel safe in that space they felt immediately forgotten and they felt that people couldnt really relate with the after effects of having survived the disease so three years on that we have a lot to be proud of as a country the work that was that has gone into trying to rebuild their missing components to rebuilding a Resilient Community but we can never forget that. Walking past trauma takes a long time and we have to continuously relentlessly persistently create the conditions to be able to support everyone but survivable walking past trauma takes a long time and i had to write that down because i think its so powerful what you said in jon i saw you nodding your head there as as part two is speaking or were you thinking. Yeah we go it does take time to get across the country went through a devastating civil war and even two thousand and one a so im not took a while to get over but you still have people talking about those stories what sixty years on the end of the war so so with that you know many peoples back out and most. Recently you know we were trying to work with some of the same tools that we use not in the war in the same way i have always tried to help communities. But you know its not to he says its a real process that its going to take im there even some estimates that you know the costs coming up a coming year is the impact of all of will continue to be particularly in areas like. Education so they still need to engage from sony Audience Committee like i know as well even if the Actual Community who came here and supported some i still have the attention as well shifted elsewhere to other things so were getting questions from our Online Community i phone and we actually got this question for you this is from him she says have relationships with friends and family and change can you speak to that. Relations you know sometimes cheat you got them something you mother what am i going to let me. Say have some go trouble with some friends because senate in syria and some of their army it might be anybodys time like this people want you to believe all of its gone well so are some little act of my just simply going with. Yes i think to yes that this is the way and im so happy they dont want to come out on the Mountain West bill is talking up for something and i think the International Im going to do my final this got them. Through france where every time they are so so there are some. So thats a big interest like you want to press them to be ok but a joke to them and i think you know you know when you talk about really interesting survivors in society it sounds like a word were hearing from a lot of survivors weve done a couple of these shows featuring survivors of a ball and stigma is a word that comes up time and again survivors say they continue to face those attacks of stigmatization so i have a look at this clip from the aljazeera online team and ill direct this to you. Well i guess the bullet came here a little bit earlier than the white man and the government here visited a common one of the things trail bola has destroyed. Give me a man with a well you know water when youre getting water. If i think one important. One it will point you from one end to the. So much ok if people in that video talked about being treated as outcasts one man said when he would give people money they wouldnt even take his money so its this fear that people had and i know that also extended to people in the medical community can you relate to that and what youre hearing from other survivors about some of that stigma that they face. You also are always that sheen and i was trying to draw and follow some of the levels on there was shown when youve been trying to judge them are quite of the most are not moments from the photographs or cost me one like most local magazine shop each one so whats going on. Change people keeps it wasnt it yes no its mommys love it should be unique and no one wants to give you a water im really not going to as a quote also dont have all of the i absolutely. Couldnt even its. People did not want to live to the ill call. Them call the father of all our survival because of this it was not seen as a world recognizing what. The little remark to bring me down because ive stood for them in africa and well have evidence to prove a lot of that person of the last i moved on and lost their jobs after less. Effort on it but some of them. The instance when we saw this happen. I will have to admit. That all the contacts level two years ago they. Were trying to graduate. All their relatives and their rejections. Was just too much for them. That these people also want to talk about that experience which given the support they need to cope with life that. Was the target store another screen and go back to you and nothing is wrong or us if we dont want to shock you want to do something about it then i just speaking of that traumatic experience far too take a look at this comment we got from painting on facebook she asked how are people who experience ability going with the trauma and are they getting enough help especially orphans now this was one of the most heartbreaking aspects of the whole story far too what what are the needs of these thousands of about orphans what kind of help and they are receiving and what do they need. I think that question is expensive and i think a lot of the times the kinds of questions we want to know how are survivors very naughty how are orphans faring on and from a government perspective its very easy for the government to say listen and then we can take the example of you own the president and the government launched a recovery twenty four recovery twenty four months recovery kuan which was quite symbolic that the government was with the people of the early on and wanted us to heal and deal with what happened to the country what that twenty four months of Recovery Plan translates to in terms of impact on out for the jury you look at the president been very clear about trying to restore health care trying to get one point one million children back into school three trying to protect vulnerable populations and assist the private sector so i argue thats quite rusty because we know that these are long term institutional Building Blocks that need to happen over time i think whats really missing is is in order to really build Resilient Community so that we understand whats happening with orphans whats happening with survivors that have been calling for a long time that we as an International Community we as a National Government need to do better is this conversation this ask the question is in new what what is missing from this recovery or this response to the crisis oftentimes is theres a lack of focus on looking at Mental Health and mental well being as an as an instrumental parts of the recovery we focus so much on. Service delivery because a measurable and we can point to it in that we got one point one million children back in school but what does that mean what does that mean in real terms for orphans what does that mean in real terms for for healing and dealing with trauma so just answer just to wrap up in terms of answering your question there are many examples and and ways in which the Government Development agencies local early on liberian guinea. To the progress thats been made to deal with the crisis but i think the focus is true much on Service Delivery as opposed to taken Mental Health as a critical point to our recovery and i think its interesting you mention that i put this up here from the c. D. C. The u. S. Centers for Disease Control and prevention and you talk about there being too much of a focus on delivery and not enough on how people are doing how their Mental Health is doing and and those that that end of the spectrum this is the impact of a bill on the Health Care System so the people who would be delivering this how this Mental Health counseling to people who needed Health Care Providers who are at the highest risk you see here eight percent reduction of health care workforce. In liberia and according to the c. D. C. Twenty three percent decrease in Health Services delivery in sierra leone and then i know that people online are also talking about that and we also got this tweet from nigeria from sitting in nigeria take a look she says we lost doctors. She heard the wide spread of the virus risking her life to place Patrick Sawyer in quarantine and that was a case and Lagos Nigeria and so could you speak to what has been the effect of losing these doctors and to other Health Care Workers who are dying and able outbreak how have you been able to try to rebuild from that point. It was not. Are going all week is. The long. You know its almost almost a must. Wonder what shes all. About sort of these long long if we walk and i was just crying because i cannot believe. That medical school im not going to. And then through france so what are you a little of the last corner or. What apartments on up for seventy thousand lublin dollars less than sixty bucks us the young man who lost his life with. Another stern dont have a future and ive done a lot some of the gutters so what it was i know it was we were going through this. As i said this system is trying to replenish those drugs in the sense that he was a little above example the post graduate school grad with some confusion and so against the first of those rather less against. The medical school spungen but in this in the work of the witnesses in the doctors who were involved in the blood a level huge trauma one of them said to me every night before i go to bed i cried its like three years after the average so what happened to both of those i was intimately involved in the trauma it does a stage of life there is a huge long. We still need to do something about it maybe trying to be strong but it is also. So they can you relate to that i see you nodding your head so the years. Like something happen to. You congressman congressman if you want to make public records. About. A lot of story happening to people think the story and you know nothing of sadness or Something Like that i want to reject it im going to come because my friends go to the ten minutes of ask why. Im sometimes you know im just joined at the fire as a problem so i will become of them out a point as it is a situation us about what can we do it just one or two i mean we have to respond were just a single press and we could not look at the time you want what do you want me not you know what do you want to have me so what is that we are with all of history and always be taught and nothing is all about it like you said i dont. Want to answer our country but to be there are many gaps when will you get if you people what do. They actually do you know what is happening to me i can see what is happening to x. Me to you im just one of those who treat you know its about a going to be kind of them union points and me so somali that they want to sit by myself and that got me a question because there is no not because nothing is not what. I mean i want to live with this trauma quick reza right you can imagine we have six of our now that hamas. Says is going this will lead to what happened to fritter what happened in guinea so learned that that needs to be taught it people can find. You in lots of other you lot of planet you become often there isnt it but we will look at what happened at all of it at a from our state is that now before what is proper and just are we have to be possible because of the thousands have been done so why you are not being you know minister caught up with such a problem suddenly cup when the International Community it is just an economy or not it will but it will work. Because it. Wasnt. It might just not work you would obviously want. It is not wasnt that not because you. Really. Can you would do well. So foday speaking of what the government can do weve got weve got comments on on all the amount of aid that was pouring into all of these countries at the height of the crisis and it raises the question of what happened with all that money take a look at this comment we got on you tube from the home and he says if we really invested more men in medical care and made medical a huge priority and developed countries a bolo would be controlled or better yet eradicated and john this raises the whole issue of the structures that came the temporary hospitals that were set up take a look at my computer you can see one of the tents of least one of the emergency Treatment Centers and we saw many of these centers being built all over the three countries john can you talk about what happened to all that infrastructure because it wasnt designed to last. Yeah i mean if you remember going back three years the immediate need was to have place isolation of people who are in fact all of the solution here in sierra leone at least part of that was the rapidly build up some of the sense as you know that we are supposed to building about forty Six Community cats and this the british army came in and built a number of sense as well as a temporary structure and yes they exist anymore but i think mohamed on social media you know has a very good point we dont about nigeria they were able to deal with the case and sort of you know quickly stopped them out of senegal had a case they were able to deal with it so i think we saw in countries that just had a slightly higher level of Health Services able to deal with this situation or out of control i dont think its a criticism is that it was getting scary and in my period that ready felt the presence of these you know these houses ready to strengthening along with a wide system im not sure what that has been going on most of what is needed but its something were trying to do the government so whether its building so these amounts of Health Centers im working on Free Health Care on Training Staff the idea is to have a stronger System CommunityHealth Workers out there who are looking for these easy like of all this is that if it comes again we could be a lot faster in getting hold of it you know i spent strengthen system you talked about resilience you know if there is that then should something not happen again whether its all or all color which in color you know the system can we act better that these thing can be nipped in the butt much sooner before or we get out of oh i have to happen so you know the effects of that crisis john i dont know but i know that last line is where i have to end this conversation but i think its a positive one and nipping this in the bud before it gets to this level and now the Health Community knows what it needs to do i think to john james. To warry and with so that i get the last part talking. Well again the last word to boise who pitched this program is the reason why were doing this show in sierra leone he says survivors have yet to pick up the pieces after the epidemic stigma is still something were dealing with that youd like to know more about this story returned to liberia life after surviving a. Dot com. As an. Allegory. With detailed coverage this is what you mean when you go to find by the nigerian hundreds like these in the past from around the world there are also hundreds of thousands of arabs that have arrived here in recent days i saw and i feel very let down by the baghdad government. In the. Coverage. Of our president our country is as strong as it was the day it is all for the Service Secretary of state. Phrase that trumps America First agenda has given voice to millions who feel completely abandoned by the political status quo and who felt their interests came second for those of other countries. 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