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He, in my opinion, works as a collagist, that is, he takes some of these scraps of short forms, he knows mythology wonderfully, he knows a variety of subjects wonderfully, it is clear that a person has been working all his life read, but he didnt have an active life, his whole life was spent in books, yes, but he was actually the director of the national library, yes, that is, he is a professional librarian, great librarian, you can, hes mine, you know, hes my archetypal librarian, it seems to me that he gave birth to. Umbert eco, who succeeds, yes, he has this game, it works because you can lose it pulse to fold a tender blanket, but until you have some kind of magic thread, it will not become magical, it will not become an airplane carpet, that is, lets say paolo cuellio, who can be considered borgis, is with him. It doesnt work at all, listen, he even took the name here story of the very famous aleph, he wrote such a novel, which is a novel, yes, yes, but this is epigonism, in the worst sense , ill be honest, but you know, i read this novel by pavelak alev, because it is mentioned there , my friend, in general, in this traveling through russia, he meets a girl who is the prototype, which was my friend, so i had to read it, although i dont really like it. A story by borhis, where everything is much more complicated, that is, this is a man who finds himself at the point where all time lines converge, it is much more complicated than that kabbalistic, and here you understand, we can say that borhis is a creative writer who exists in a fourdimensional world, this is interesting, but what does fourdimensional mean, he has not only our three dimensions, but he still has time, that is, he operates time, here and there, thats why he has this here in alez, a temporary intersection of diverging paths, this chinese descendant of the author of the labyrinth is mentioned there, he comes to this sinologist doctor, who studies the heritage of his greatgrandfather, it turns out that the book and the labyrinth this is the same thing, yes, that is, he created labyrinths and created a book, it turned out that this is the same thing, and its very interesting there this doctor asks him a question, and he asks this chinese, and this descendant , what word in a charade should not be mentioned in a charade, in a charade about chess, the word chess should not be mentioned, and he says i found the key to your greatgrandfathers labyrinth, that the word time is not mentioned there, this means that the entire labyrinth is dedicated to time and its different layers, that is, there is actually this key, of course, that is yes, that is, its just like the tetragramaton on the golems forehead, yes, for the golem to work, he talks about this in the esab in his lecture about cabelas, for the golem to work, he must have the right word, and if, accordingly, the tzaddik will erase one of the letters of this word from the golems forehead, it will turn into another, like the word emet, truth turns into met, that is, death and the golem crumbles to dust, that is, control over the golem is also in the right word and work with the letters back and forth, that is, write erase, write, erase, this is absolutely some kind of amazing, limitless control over dead matter that the jewish acquires, it seems to me that for borhis the text is living matter, yes, yes, of course, of course, and, in no case static, constantly changing. Because the interpretation of the text, even though its literal image may be fixed, but the interpretation of the text will be different in different centuries, for us now superstructures are happening, that we are from the heights of our welleducated cordoba, ships, and with the heights of postmodernity, that is, we get a third, fourth, sixth superstructure, all these additional meanings, additional emotions that we invest not only in relation to the text but in relation to the author who wrote, just this postmodern time tututututututututu, just like the next steps in one of the stairs of the labyrinth. Borgis, it seems to me, influenced costaneda, because in general the form itself, you know, i want to mention that when borgis started working, this there was an innovative form, what in cinema is called macumentary, that is, it is a documentary film, but it is completely imitated, that is, in fact, it is artistically created, that is, we do not understand whether it really happened, whether all these people who are talking , existed, maybe these are philosophers who are talking or this is a product of his consciousness, we dont understand this, but this is a superbly imitated documentary of the story, there are comments , from these comments, you dont understand, really, he came up with all this or yeah, or he actually tells stories. Lives slightly flavored with this magic of time, well, costaneda has this form of documentary , and conversations with the magician himself, this form, he clearly seems to me to have drawn it, is also from orchis and i, you know, i recently read from orhal, the philosophy of indy oorkhla and there is a lot of mention of such an image as mirrors, that orkhel loves a space in which there are many. Mirrors, and a mirror is a very important theme for borhis, that is, even in a labyrinth, a person eventually comes to a mirror, then is there if he goes through a labyrinth, he comes to the mirror, meets with himself, and the overost, which looks in the mirror and disappears, and maybe even the glodalqueer has disappeared, thats all, as if when he begins to understand the essence of things, he disappears from the mirror, say, natasha, what do you think, that borhis became blind during his life, it is clear that he read a lot and he even himself. Writes that i actually did not live, yes, i dont know what happened there in my country, because i spent all my time in the library, i spent all my time time is in the books, but tell me, is this fact that a person goes blind . Yes, it turns out that in this world of darkness, that is, this is some kind of forced disability, thats what you think, did this influence borhis, because i have a feeling that his works have become stronger, which he wrote already in the seventies, there they became more lyrical and precisely some kind of introverted, more sharpened directly, he works in a short form, but he has very deep details, that is , for example, he writes that a person who is still approaching the sea, he has not yet seen this sea, but in his blood this sea is already splashing, this is a very accurate observation, here is the image of the sea, and the notorious platonic shadow, that is , you understand, a blind man, he has direct access to platos cave with shadows, yes, he does not work with visuals, he already works with archetypes, with ideas, with eides, and things, images of concepts, he works directly , and lets talk about this Babylonian Library, as you imagine it, in this world he. Is he a systematizer or is he a reader or as you see it, that is, here this world of hexagonal shelves, describe it as you understand it, a hexagon, a hexagon is the hundredth, that is, its such a hive , thats why i have bees in my ears today, this too, this is also not without reason, youre all in signs, im all in signs, what are you talking about, of course, if we talk about orchis, then you need to operate with its tools, that is, operate with signs, yeah, so of course, im all in signs, essentially babylon, he has. This Babylonian Library its really a giant hive, that is, i can imagine that just as bees have an extremely complex hierarchy of creatures, that is, in the world of borhiss library there should also be a completely phantasmogorical hierarchy, and i think that he is first and foremost a reader, an enthusiastic reader who rushes about these honeycombs, here from the hexagon to the hexagon, finds something for himself, Something Interesting and it seems to me that in order to become a librarian of the library of babylon, you need to go a very long way, you need to go through initiation, you need to go, yes, you need to enter some kind of the luminal phase, yes, go through initiation, that is, find this notorious tetragramaton or at least its semblance, that is, jump to another stage of development, then in front of you these hexagons will be ordered, will open up and become permeable, borhis in, well, i dont even know , probably this is an essay, or maybe a story, four cycles, and he is just trying to systematize, perhaps, all his knowledge, endless, he gives a theory that there are only four plots in World Literature and we all of them are endless we repeat, this is the plot of the capture of a fortress, for example the iliad, and the return home, well, the example is also a classic one. Who returns to ithaca, and the search is probably a broader concept , but he gives an example of the bird simurgh, which is both many birds and one bird that contains this multitude, in general this is also an image of god, yes, to to which bokhs, ancient plots, well, ancient etypic literature, travel, this is all just a search, and the suicide of god, what we can see in the bible, and in narnia, there, well, in general, there are a lot of myths, yes, that is, like the sacrifice of a horse , that is, the ashwamedha ritual, which accompanies the ascension of a king to the throne, that is , the sacrifice of a divine being this is exactly the most initiatory thing, of all these wandering stories that remind us that a leap to a new level is a sacrifice to god, yeah. Again this one, what is his name abenhokan in his small labyrinth, the fact that the killer of abenhokan becomes abenhakan himself, yes, that is, he is a game, that the one who is killed is himself in fact, he was the creator of this whole murder and an imitator, that is, borhis very often repeats this plot, and its like an initiation thought out and influenced by the agent himself, that is, he sacrifices himself, its so odic. Also a thing, yes, how to hang yourself on yasin , well, again, this is a wandering plot, so the scandinavians wanted to hold on, it didnt work out, this is a must read podcast, im agladnikova, my guest is natalya oshey, musician, lead singer of the group melnitsa, candidate of philological sciences, we are talking about jorge ulis borhis, natasha, heres what concerns the life of borhis, i was very touched by ulrics story, from the book of sand, from the collection the book of sand, where he meets a woman, they spend only one night together, there there is also an obvious allusion to mythology, where the heros name is sigurt, yes, hes also zikrid , that is, it all relates to scandinavian mythology, and the heroines name is ulrika, but on the one hand it looks simple, like people who met in a hotel had a conventional together the night the next morning they parted forever, yes, this onenight stand, and and but borhis represents it as such a failure into some other world, as if this meeting was very important, and it seems very romantic to me, it also plays the role of a mirror, she looks at. This is very important, because of course borhis, with his amazing erudition, he knew what a certain irresistible, not predetermined meeting with a woman means for the scandinavian hero, because a woman, for the scandinavians, in general in mythology is fate, a woman is capable of changing. Fate, so its this ulrika, the mysterious one, who meets with sigurd, she makes him look at herself, on a completely different level, what youre talking about, this is initiation, this is a meeting and there is initiation into another state, that is, its like ananka , you know, which is through a tiny death, because initiation is always a small death, an imitation of death, it forces him to move to another level, that is, right here i love it so much such aspects of borgis as an indoeuropeanist. Because he, well, of course, he is a bearer of european culture, yes, and he, yes, yes, yes , yes, yes, and he, these indoeuropean mythological cliches , feels very subtly, maybe not even always consciously, of course, because its directly mine, you know, when i see this kings sacrifice, this very woman, fate, i think, youre my good one, how nice, lets talk about his personal life, hes been around all his life. Say, lonely, that is, there are some women there, i see dedication to women in different stories, different women, that is, there were women, they inspired, but basically yes, he lived his life rather with his family, there with his mother, especially since he became blind, but at the end of his life, after the death of his mother, when his mother let him go , yes, this freudian story, he married his literary secretary to some beautiful girl, thats what you think, his relationships with women are so strange, they were reflected in his prose, how can i tell you, in my opinion he is not a romance author, at all, no, he is not a love author at all, that is, for him rather, here are all the women in prose, well, there in the same aleph, yes, this is his beloved, she is already dead at the beginning, beatrice, yes, beatrice, this is viterbo, that is, in principle, he has women in his stories, they appear as ideas rather, oh, this is very interesting, yes, that is, this is exactly the archetype of a dead lover, this is beatrice, with some countless past lovers, or this ulrika, and the woman of fate who guides the hero through initiation, that is, it seems to me that all female characters have him, yes, that all his female characters are not endowed with special emotionality, but endowed with power, but endowed with power, endowed with a function, yes, endowed with a temporary, function, as it were, which is obliged to lead the hero to that point in time, space, in which borhis. Wants to see this hero, he never received the nobe prize, its very disappointing, i read that 25 times, almost too many times, he was nominated and each time he did not receive, marquez is always marquez i walked around him, i walked around him, although i did marcos too i love him very much, yes, but i like borhis precisely because he gave birth to so many , that is, he seems to be a quiet librarian, you know, quietly, quietly, but he. I read him, i see and murakami with chronicles of a backwater bird , where people fall into certain corridors, and there is another time, there is a 1979 novel by christian kracht, where people end up in iran during the revolution and are saved by finding themselves in a certain magical slice of time, another, and some rituals do, eat black food. Well, in general, borhis has this, he sets some programs, like quantity, im reading, yes, right now im reading alan moores absolutely gigantic novel jerusalem, alan moore also has, you know, this is exactly the system, the principle of the inside out, the principle of mirrors, and the principle of traveling back and forth in time, that is, in essentially, jerusalem is a deconstruction of a family saga, an english one, such a classic family saga, but with us , each chapter takes place in its own time, it is nonlinear, and periodically due to penetration into the conventional underbelly of the city of northampton, and the characters. One and the same family from different times have the opportunity to meet each other and this, of course, is just such borhisianism , here it is stretched out into a book that is called longer than the bible, that is, of course, i would cut this jerusalem in half, but these four are cool allan introduces the principles of fourdimensional space, where time is the most fascinating scale, in a very fascinating way, i have a question for you as a linguist, its really funny, but theres something in it, heres borhis, he somehow came into life russian man here with this joke, pereborghis, what do you think is borhiss overkill, well, youre a linguist, i dont know who else to ask, but it seems to me that you may have some kind of answer to this question, for some reason borhis remained in layer of language, such a comic yes, because, because, because, in principle, the very name borhis in the russian language evokes some kind of internal. And sidor of seville with folk etymologies, you know, this is the root bor, that is, take take and so on, i really want to continue it, etymology, that is, there are such unsuccessful surnames, which, on the contrary, are successful ones, appeal to folk etymology, you can again play with them, you understand, he again got into the linguistic game, so he was still a magician, yes, well, of course, of course, that is, even the surname the author is fixed in the body of another language, in the fabric of another language, it begins to spread there, like some beautiful noxious weed, amazing of argentine origin, so it begins to germinate in the fabric of the labyrinth of the russian language already, well, you see how interesting we are with you found what kind of linguistic move, indeed, something that explains something about borhis and his immortality, his games of the mind, yes, he is immortal, because he is constantly repeated in the works of other people, yes, yes, that is, his platonic shadows continue to play on the wall. Live, yes, the labyrinth continues to live, it is endless, the recursion of mirrors is endless, borhis is alive, cool, natasha, thank you for the interesting conversation, i learned a lot, you are an erudite, its always interesting to listen to you and it was very interesting, thats how you see someone like that writer like jorge luisa borhis, very unusual, thank you for inviting me, i really like to talk about books, the main thing is that we will invite you again , okay, this was a must read podcast, im aglaya andnikova, my guest was natalya ushey, musician, candidate of philology sciences, solis group mill, also known as hilovisa. Thank you, you can find all episodes of the podcast as a mustread on the website of the First Channel 1tv. Ru. Hello, this is the podcast schrodingers cat, and i am its host, chief editor of a Popular Science magazine with the same name, schrodingers cat, and my cohost cat, he is not schrodinger, he is mine, his name is bari , he will help me and morally support me, yes bari is our wonderful guest kut crickets, an astronaut, russia and in general a person whom i envy from the moment we met, i honestly admit, here is sergey , here you are 10 years younger than me, and at the same time you managed to fly to the iss, go into outer space, how many more than 6 hours, because i tried, yes 6 47 minutes, after that fly to antarctica, live there in a tent in search of a meteorite, generally out of you you can already make an adventure book, i cant say that im the only person who. Works for science and goes to some extreme places in order to advance science, i guess i was just noticeable, oh, lets not be modest , well, after all, there are not many people on our planet out of the 8 billion who were in space in antarctica, well, probably, yes, i agree, as a child you dreamed about this, that this is fate, that i will be like a polar explorer 35, antarctica, and then into space, in a spacesuit, looking at the earth, just like when i was a child, no, in childhood, no, uh, all the boys now and then, in my childhood, they dreamed and dream of being some kind of superheroes, little ones, because all the boys dream of saving the world, and when i was a child, i dreamed of being the most ordinary superhero myself, a firefighter who every day performs heroic deeds and saves people , but over time, the dream transformed already at a more conscious age at the university, i thought about the profession of an astronaut and i managed to fly into space and prepare. But as for antarctica, i want to say that our polar explorers, employees of antarctic stations and arctic stations, they are really very close in spirit in their way of activity, probably to cosmonauts, as you now define for yourself the purpose of your work, thats why you had to fly into space, why you had to look for meteorites in antarctica, sounds amazing, but why . Well, in general , everyone should ask themselves this question when some. Business starts, why, what should happen, for me the criterion is to go where it is difficult, because its working in incredible conditions, complex, perhaps not for everyone, due to the loads that arise, and due to some psychological limitations, well, not everyone is ready to live in a confined space for six months at a station, but it is important to conduct some experiments and gain new ones. And bring them to people who can take full advantage of this knowledge, because astronauts, of course , have a very close relationship with science, we conduct various experiments and for this we study various areas of science, but we do not immerse ourselves in it very deep, there it is there are many, many different scientists who give us tasks, and we these tasks, according to the task we obtain this knowledge, this is exactly what we do at the station and in antarctica, well, lets return to the topic of the adventure, how to prepare for an absolute surprise , here in antarctica, as i remember, you had problems with the weather, your tent broke down , its generally terrible 35, your tent is broken, thats how it was, were sending an astronaut into space in the open, well, practically, come on, well, in general , with space flight, and during other expeditions on earth, we always try think about what might await us, of course, its impossible to calculate everything, there is some kind of excitement in this, this is what causes excitement, if you know what will happen for sure and you know what wont happen, then why worry, you can do anything calculate and think through, but the fact is that this is why the conditions are called extreme, that they are complex and there is a high level of. Surprises, for example, that s where the surprise was in antarctica, lets not , well, antarctica, antarctica is generally a place with a huge amount of surprise, firstly, this is the weather, it is unpredictable, not in the sense that we can fly there and it will be hot, no, there may be a snowstorm there , or there may not be, there may be a high temperature, or there may be a sharp drop, the weather leaves much to be desired, but oops, at night. At night there was wind with gusts of up to 90 km h, the carriages were sitting so that it seemed like we were riding a train, and it was vibrating all over, there was noise outside the window, a real antarctic summer, one might say , well, you got caught up in everything, but as i understand it, on. On changing weather conditions, and there are times of year when everything can change quickly, you need to be prepared for this, in terms of clothing, in terms of equipment and even calculating your logistics, you need to be prepared for changes in plans, for example, we flew to antarctica, the weather was very good and we , and good like good weather, sunny, firstly, the most important thing is that there is good visibility, there is an airfield built right on the ice, and the only way is to approach by visual references, that is, there are no beacon drives there, well some kind of flags there and everything visually, that is, if the pilot does not see the stripe, he turns around and returns back several thousand, what does it look like, this is a white field, there are flags at the edges, this is a white field, it is marked, yes, there there are special signs, like at the runway, a large transport plane is landing for the flight, but when we arrived, the weather was perfect, we arrived and said everything, the next day we have to fly away. By a small plane, and to where no one has ever landed, also very interesting the task is a raid, or just a raid 160 km from the base, an area was chosen for landing , because we cannot understand the point, but before that we prepared for any situation, unpredictable, we can still prepare, but how about satellite images, we now have modern technologies that allow us to provide some information about a place that is located very far away, we studied the experience of the previous expedition and chose certain points for landing, negotiated with the pilot of a small plane, took off and already on the spot the plane circled, chose a landing point, which was interesting and possible for landing, and was convenient for us, because the search area for meteorites had to be located near the landing point, we chose, landed, were dropped off, we unloaded several hundred kilograms provisions, equipment, everything we needed it was necessary, fuel, a snowmobile, and the plane took off, thats all, it left us alone together as it was completely surrounded by ice and mountains, there was no feeling of horror, although after space, i think its unlikely, when you re sitting here, you have thin tent all around for many hundreds of kilometers there is just ice and nothing, there is no horror, but at this moment you understand perfectly well that if something happens, then the entire burden will fall on the team members only, the same as on the space station, if something happens, must be decided solely by the crew, and what kind of team did you have, and we had a very interesting team, we had two climbers on the team, snow leopards, vitali lazo and ruslan kolunin, they provided security, and logistics, in general in such small crews, people, he is multifunctional, like a multiinstrumentalist, that is, just like the crews at the station, one person must know a lot and be able to do a lot, the same thing in antarctica, and our guys ensured safety, not high level climbers, guides, and, but at the same time, vitaly was filming a film, uhhuh, ah, ah, ruslan provided logistics and operation of the equipment, that is, engineering functions, while all the team members were trained in searching for meteorites, in general, searching for a meteorite in antarctica is a very interesting activity when you are looking for that, that does not look like a local object, like local stones, that is, it is impossible to say for sure what a meteorite will look like here, because it should simply be different from earthly stones, well, we will not dive into the topic of geology now, team, here six people, including you, yes, yes, yes, here are five people, two are just climbers, well, highlevel climbers, and two people, about one danis. Nurgaliev was a professor at kazan university, alexander pastukhovich a researcher at the Ural Federal University , a specialist in meteorism, here is andrei nazarov, a member of the expedition and he was also involved in filming the film and searching for meteorites, everyone worked as one, this is very important, because there are a lot of surprises, that is, when we arrived, the direction of the wind, it was necessary understand, in order to set up the tent correctly, we put. Or the tent in a certain orientation, and so that the wind does not break it , there must be a shadow, there must be some rocks nearby, because the tent must be secured with a shadow, why, because it may be hot, the shadow is an aerodynamic shadow, that is, from the wind, but its aerodynamic, the place where the wind doesnt reach is blocked by something, but something should block it, that is, we chose the place in advance based on satellite imagery, thats it so here it is the wind, how to survive in an ordinary tent, two layers of one layer, but it is unusual, the tent was specially designed for strong winds and for placing everyone together, that is, the tent was large, for six people, with a separate vestibule for cooking food, and why, because when you boil water, the steam rises, immediately freezes and can, like snow fall inside the tent, it will fall on things, everything will melt, things will be wet, so the place, the place where we cooked food, it was isolated , everything was thought out in advance, but unfortunately, the design turned out to be not stable enough, not Strong Enough for the antarctic wind, and the tent broke, yes the tent, the wind gusts reached almost 100 km h, and the tent simply collapsed, we had to. Spend the night in a broken tent, but the wind is so strong that when six people are lying in a tent, equipment, six adult men, and the tent is still tied, and the wind lifts it, but it wasnt scary at that moment, well, i wouldnt say it wasnt scary at all