Probably, right . Well, nevertheless , several decades have passed since their introduction , so 79 is the appearance in konstantinovo , so of course they appeared in russia a little earlier, so they were there wonderful teachers to whom Sergei Alexandrovich remained grateful all his life; his spiritual mentor, priest ian yakovlevich smirnov, worked there, to whom he addressed in his poems and considered him a very important person in his life. Yeah, its clear, while we were talking about the fact that, well, its clear without words, well, an absolutely brilliant person, a nugget , well, the treasure of the earthrussian, who just grew straight from these places near og, and then this is what ill ask about, this combination a city dweller, dressed smartly, uh, a stylistically impeccable person, and a person who. Maintains a connection with the village, now we see him in a new look, still the rural remained, authentic, or was it stylized . Well, you know, there are different points of view here, it seems to me that one can only speak very conditionally about the rural, such a predominant direction in his poetry , look, in the twelfth year Sergei Yesenin left konstantinov, thats what im talking about. 17 years old when a person is 17 years old, he enters the art and music club named after surikov, attends lectures at the peoples university, he wanted this, he achieved this, and he used this time for education, and then, well, what can we say, where is the rural way of life and where is it, life in petrograd at that time, although of course he there he played such an operetta peasant boy, after all, he played a peasant boy, of course, according to the memories , according to the numerous memories of the interested parties , who described it so ironically, but at the same time, they paid tribute to his unconditional talent, and then moscow, and what can i say o the period of imagism, well, this is a little later, yes, there are already concerts there, there is a completely different story, but still this combination of rural and urban is very important, i agree with you, its a different matter, this is the subtle state that he carried through all his poetry, the feeling of russian nature. So we continue ours. Talk, we are talking about sergei alesanovich yeseninin, about the brilliant russian poet, and we are talking today with the director of the state museum of the sergeyevich yasenin reserve, boris joganson with the actor of the moscow academic art Academy Theater named after maxim gorkov by andrey veshkurtsev. Im turning to andrey again, but its very important for me to ask you, but are senins elements simple . Carnal, in pushkastyle, ingenuous, or do they have something in your opinion, in your opinion, there is no need to show any connoisseurship here, just how you perceive them, well, it seems to me that yesenins poems, poetry itself, are probably some kind of. Then the most extreme form of expressiveness, feelings, thoughts, and yesenin made his way to a new stage in poetry and in language in general, and to say that they simple. It seems to me that this is a good word, simple, not in the sense that it is some kind of primitiveness, of course, they are simple in a good sense, at the same time they are incredibly difficult to decipher, for this it is generally very difficult to read and intone them, and lets tone this down with some actor, lets forgive me, and it seems to me that yesenin is captivating with his youth and energy, youth and energy, but look at today, how many young people we have in everyone, you can see yesenin, 100 years have passed, and we have such just as active, just as talented, just as unrestrained the guys who Sergei Yesenin was then, they also want to live, they want to give themselves, they want to do everything, this energy and youth, it seems to me that it is very understandable for our time too, a wonderful idea, yes boris, it seems to me that this is nothing to add, wonderfully formulated, maybe youll read it, everything living is marked with a special mark from an early age, if i werent a poet, then id probably be a swindler, a thief, thin and short, always a hero among boys, often, often with a broken nose i came to my home to meet my frightened mother, i muttered through his bloody mouth, nothing, i stumbled, a stone, it will all heal by tomorrow, and now, when ive caught a cold, the boiling water of these days, a restless, daring force, spilled onto my poems, a golden pile of words, over each line of infinity, is reflected the former prowess of a bully and a tomboy, as brave and proud as i was then, only my step splashes with newness, if before they hit me in the face, now my soul is all in blood, im not talking to my mother, in a strange and laughing rabble, nothing, i tripped over stone, it will all heal by tomorrow. Lets continue this mine, well no a provocative line, but still such an attempt, to look at yesenin, still not from such a standard side, but to somehow see the problem here, after all, hes a bully, his face is covered in blood, well, isnt the man flaunting this in some way . Then the moment, yes, its like, isnt he succumbing to this appearance of his, well, as an actor, sometimes an actor becomes very famous for some role, enters a series, as if they are already starting to play not not a role, but themselves in a previous role, but there is no such freezing here, in general im asking both of you, the question is, well, even if there is, then why not, when this is, this is, there is a beautiful, poetic, brilliant embodiment, then this will not be, this remains in time for centuries, this is crazy. Mad, bloody dregs, what are you, death or healing in pain, lead me, lead me to him, i want to see this man, you know, well, this is wonderful, maybe its so wrong to say, but still i feel sorry for early yesenin, sorry , that yesenin, who was pushed aside by himself, of course, well, sort of into the background a little, because his early poems are conventionally early, but immature poems, especially. Which were included in the collection radunitsa, which was published in two editions, in the sixteenth year in the eighteenth, if im not mistaken, but it seems not, theres no brawler there, theres no muzzle in the blood yet, in he already existed in life, as we know, a little later it was all the mazhenis period, and moscow kabatskaya, and then pugachev, and then the rest of the works, of course, a black man, and many works that can be dated. According to the last years of his life in 1925, but still here they are completely different lines, the lord went to torture people in love, he came out as a beggar in the middle of nowhere, well, remember, the freedomsower of the desert pushkin, or these poor villages of tyuchev, the next poem here, i just opened a book, quietly in the juniper thicket along a cliff, autumn red mare , there is such a revival of nature here, when , in fact, its not very clear that in front of you is a hut, an animal, or grass, or a storm , or. Well, we also love this, why not, of course, people like this and these poems are also wonderful and form the basis of many song works, the noise and igam in this a creepy lair and so on, this is wonderful, but somehow it seems to you that yesenin pushed these poems away from himself or after all the image. This is a natural evolutionary thing for him, yes, i think that this the path of development, and if we say that this is a little like tyutchev s poetry, each person, at the very beginning of his path , imitates the master, the mentor, he searches, but at the same time some roots appear, so i think that this is even more interesting watch how nature begins and ends, kabaska, of course, well, im ready to argue with you here, because in what way , no, he doesnt study ironing, and he doesnt teach tyuchev, hes just completely different, no, im not byron, im different, because, well Fyodor Ivanovich tyuchev, of course, is a native of bryansk, and also part and parcel of the russian province, but still 22 years in bavaria in italy, after all , this is a refined noble culture, and we just saw yesenin, yes, hes just flesh of flesh, these places, tyuchev comes from schelling and philosophy, he is with the great philosopher communicated in munich, and yesenin did not have schelling in his interlocutors, thank god, at the spasklepyakov school, well, here i am ready to discuss with you, the education was still comprehensive, and Sergei Alexandrovich had access to all the literature of that time in that chest that he went from konstantinov to moscow there was already gogol, pushkin, his favorite authors, and lermontov, of course, he was deeply influenced, and he especially inscribed many of his poems in the first collections, under their influence, well ok, you already mentioned emaginists, this is such a foreign word, image or image, this is an image, well, this is such a group poets, there werent so many of them, who already, well, mostly came into force in soviet times, although they all started earlier, this is shishinevich, this borengov, kusikov, kusikov, yes, yesenin, yesenin, of course, but of these four names you dont even have to guess who remained in the history of poetry, yes, the guys frolicked, of course, as best they could, they renamed the streets after their names, they they hung a sign on the monument saying that pushkin was with them, that is pushkin is with us, here, but i think that after all, this is the current from which yesenin came out, which entered and left, yes, it is now, of course, very interesting, as such a unique monument to the study of the history and culture of moscow of the period, although there is. And biographies that put these writers, if not in the first rank of russian poetry, then as a rule they are all in plain sight, well, here is a photograph that you can comment on the meriengs in such their beauty, and i must say, they look wonderful here, but it was such a scary time, it was the period. Of the civil war, it was a rather hungry time, well, looking at these people, maybe you cant say that, or its true, of course, they were very friendly, they treated each other well, its just a pity that its a beautiful story of friendship , she was somewhat affected by mutual cooling, but this period, of course, was one of the most wonderful tours, and in general in yesenins life, well, it is clear that this period is important, and it seems especially important to me that they went on tour, can you imagine tyuchevs tours there, for example, or well, lerm, this is impossible, its just early , quite easy, after all, they lived by their literary work and of course they went at this important moment, they are professionals, well, just like now a book is published on paper, a book is published somewhere on a platform, electronic, an audiobook comes out immediately, yes, that is, they not only published poems, they dreamed of their own publishing house. Especially yes, this is central asia, and crimea. Here is st. Petersburg, beyond the caucasus, and persia, yes, all this is clear, wonderful creative trips from which he brought, from the orenburg region by pukachev, from persian motifs, from azerbaijan and bosit pativas this is a cycle, apagachov is a poem, beautiful, well, well, through the journey, lets move on to another one, well, sort of mythologized. In many ways on the topic, this is the name of yesenins womans performance, well, its not too pedaled, well, many women loved me, in different forms, this idea is repeated in the poems themselves, yes, this is emphasized by Sergei Yesenin himself, but still, what is here sincere, truthful, tragic, and what could be wrong here . Superficial or not, i think that this is primarily a question for the interlocutor, and not for the father of many children, the father of many children. Okay, well, well, there are several wives, there are several companions, yes, well, this is how you feel about this, as if from inside the play that is so named, yesenins woman, uh, what would you, andrey, say about this , women are in his destiny, but they occupied such a place of support, that is, women are support, this is an attempt to protect himself, he still ran from each one, so we came up with such a concept that yesenin is preparing performance, yes, that yesenin is the sun and a woman and approaches him to warm up in its rays, but as soon as she gets closer, she will burn, so at some point he must break off these, how do you feel about this metaphors, i think ill probably agree, because. Indeed, women played such a special, decisive role in the fate of our great russian, therefore we can say that he was nevertheless married several times, not officially to the extraordinary, officially , it seems, officially, zinaedi reich, isidora duncan, sofia tolstaya yesenina, there were a lot of women who played, we can duncan, of course, and irma, her daughter, and there were also to look at this photo, this is sidora miklashevskaya, Lydia Ivanovna kashina, who is associated with creativity, yes, thats it one more, golina benislavskaya, well, of course, we can also name another 1015 people, from this circle, of course, well, continuing andreis thought, i think that after all, after all, Sergei Aleksandrovich yesenin in his own way by nature he was a rather cold person in relationships, and this determined their number those around him may not be cold, but rather disappointingly cold in relationships. Of course, well, it seems to me that as soon as love burned out, he could write poetry , in order to write, he needed to experience something, love, creativity, as if provokes, yes, pushkin, well, pushkin says differently, pushkin says love has passed, the muse has appeared, that is, there is too much , well, such direct love torn from within, it is necessary, well, to distance it a little, so says the harmonious, balanced in creativity pushkin yesenin, not in life, its still not so, yes, if we we base our conclusions on some love vicissitudes of Sergei Aleksandrovich yesenin, and here, of course, he was definitely a favorite, female, and there is nothing to argue about, but if we Pay Attention to some encyclopedic data, highbrow scientists are not innocent, induced. Is shown quite clearly almost every day of his existence after 167 years, then we can conclude that, of course, he was quite definite in his relationships with women, and of course, everything was not there so simple, well i think this one the dispute, well, cannot be finally resolved, but if you try to resolve it, then maybe in poetry, maybe inside. Poems we will hear are not our reasoning, well, as it were , coming after the fact and coming from the outside, but from the inside, maybe, andrey, you read yesenin to us. All that was left for me was amusement, fingers in my mouth and a cheerful whistle, a Bad Reputation spread that i was a bawdy, a brawler, oh, what a. Funny loss, there are many funny losses in life, im ashamed that i believed in god, its bitter for me that i dont believe it now, golden distant distances, everything is burned by everyday life to die, i swore, made a scandal in order to burn brighter, a gift of a poet. Caress and scribble, the fatal mark on it, a white rose with a black toad, i wanted to marry on earth , even if it didnt work out, even if it didnt come true, these thoughts of pink days, but the devils nested in my soul, which means angels lived in it, thats for this fun dregs. Going with her to another land, i want, at the last minute, to ask those who will be with me, so that for everything, for my sins, my heaviness, for my lack of faith in grace, they put me in a russian shirt, under icons, to die, by the way, theres a replica there, the poets gift to caress and wobble. I made a scandal in order to burn brighter, well, this does not contradict the concept, which says, and maybe confirms, maybe confirms, yes, there was a kind of pretentiousness and such too, well, an obvious goal setting, but we we know that lines with blood kill, rush up the throat and kill, as another poet said, yes, that is, you cant play with this, you cant calculate it, you cant, well, ill love it a little. Ill write something later, no, this all leads to death, organically and eternity, at the end of our conversation, i, andrey, will ask you to read the text, strange, complex, which in the process of preparation, the performance of yesenins woman, work on it, but served as either a counting rhyme or a spell , or maybe a prayer, but i know, i just heard that there is such an attempt to collect a text from different lines, different poems, let s listen, i dont regret, i dont call, i dont cry, once at that gate over there, i i was 16 years old, i am a citizen of the village, which will only be so, is it known that a low house will stoop without me . We all loved during these years, which means we were loved. Goy, you are my dear stream, i am a mischievous moscow reveler, a redmaned colt is galloping, i know that makes me want to run for komsomol in my pants, everything is now decided without return, goodbye, my friend, goodbye, you are still alive my old lady, im still alive. Hello from you, hello, you can have different attitudes towards the genre, but it seems to me that this is really an interesting attempt, it is very consistent with what was the topic of our conversation today, and the topic our conversation was such an eternal posthumous fate of a geyevich citizen who. Like any major poet, a brilliant poet, is just beginning his journey when his earthly path ends, these days we understand with a special feeling how close yesenia is to us, how much he modern, how strong he is, how energetic he is, despite all the trogism, and of course we didnt talk much , we didnt talk, for example, about yesenins travels, travel. But they were of such an educational nature, we know that he was on a lot east, eastern, it routes, they gave him a lot, yes, who is she. Shagana, maybe you can tell us, my shagana, that im from the north, or something, well, everyone knows that, but whats behind it, indeed, Sergei Aleksandrovich yesenin loved to travel, and uh, he visited baku several times, they loved him very much there, and he collaborated with the local press, with the newspaper baku work, of course, he strove to iran, to persia in the first place, but they gave him such a peculiar persia. In the area in the suburbs of baku, in morda oceans, he was settled in a wonderful place, this in no way contradicted the ryazan village , yes, but they seem to be different, because you are from the north, or something, im ready to show you a field and a high face under the moon, shagan you are mine, nevertheless shagan you are mine shagan, as a result of this, a series of persian motifs appeared, which he republished several times. Yeah, well, that is, this is such a wonderful synthesis, north and south, and east and west, yes, because yesenin is a western dandy, especially in those years when he was together with sidora duncan, the strange thing is that during duncan s long trip abroad, he had practically nothing creative, yes, maybe businesslike, no, not too much, well, to put it mildly, it was hanging over her, but she was like that. In everything that was woven around yesenin during this period, yeah, these were meetings in immigration with his friends, with his opponents, trips to numerous cities in europe, from which, of course, he received such a definite impression, a trip overseas, where he reacted extremely negatively to absolutely sincerely, that is it was unproductive, that is, the west and america were less productive than the east, than the east and than his native country, well, the native side is not discussed at all, but there is no poet who would not, in the highest sense of the word, depend on that land, where he was born, there is no such poet, but if you choose between the west and the east, a curious thought occurred to me that yesenin, of course, is a european, american traveler, but there are much fewer visible creative results than trips to the east, this is an important story , we in our conversations, we strive not to repeat what everyone knows, but still to find some new twists, well, thats why its interesting to be together with those who are having a conversation in a literary podcast, let them not say, let them. Are reading, hello, dear friends, a little history 23 years ago , a door opened into anthropology and this team entered, slepner concerns us first of all, leva, this. Gnesenko brought this particular marimba, well, as one could hope the happy life path of this group, marimba, is the fifties, when back in in the cinemas jazz was playing before the shows, who needs marimba, and this slapner knocked down the brilliant drummer tavrovsky , so he came, this girl wasnt there, she apparently went to the nursery just then, who wasnt there yet, well, many werent in at the very beginning, naturally, then tell me who it was . Was, ilya ilyich was with me, you cant confuse this with anyone , in fact everything, all over the world, this team has traveled a lot over the years, lord, wherever they have been, at all the jazz festivals, this is a very popular jazz group plus, and today, when they are at alexey sezlovs in moscow. Everyone falls in ecstasy, beats coincidentally, because these are brilliant musicians, and why am i saying all this, that there are no ears, lets see what this young lady is doing here, what is your name . Olesya, and i have dima, these are my friendsspectators, now they will all look at you, but tavrovsky is behind you, and he is thundering, so it wont seem too much, so try it. Attention from leonid and lev slepner, dear friends, with friends, about Everything Else later, lets play marimba plus. Yes, well, to say that this is great is to say nothing, its difficult, and yet its easy to listen to, its easy, its full of energy, who writes all this . I, when the music is good, its written when the boss player has a lot of work, that means its a good piece, if the boss player has nothing to play, it means its either bossanov, or the cherries are ripe, in the garden of the maha cherry, please tell me what the marimba is built from, which gave the name of this band, one of the most beloved jazz bands in our country, marimbo plus, marimba. Its just a keyboard drum an instrument, that is, its the same as a piano, only with wooden keys, these, these are white, these are black, you can imagine that everything will work out right away, yes, but between you and the sound source there are no intermediaries, like these hammers, a damper and the piano, yes, thats how i hit it, thats how i got it, yes, yes, yes, its simple, theres a natural joint, thats how long the note lasts, how long it lasts, left, and what kind of tree is this. The tree is called african subaluk, we have a lot of marimbists in gneshenka, lets have one there, and no, why, the gnesinka constantly gives birth every year, but i had a gnesinka for how many years ago, yes, thats how many years ago, we finished it in 2000, in 2000 we finished it, so yes, it was a long time ago, or else you chronologicalize everything with since then, yes, yes, yes, all the dates, all this is for him, yes, but achieving success with instrumental music is more difficult than for a vocalist, well, look, for example, lets take a vocalist like, well, i dont know, youre not soft, he and cheerful, he jumps, save me, save me, my heart is broken, you dont even have to play here, its already good, its harder for you, because instrumentalists, well, you wont play about love, well play, well play, no, well, of course its about love, dear friends, youve heard everything, you wrote this too, its very good, everything was suffered, yes, yes quickly, four times, yes, if someone tomorrow, for example, would like to have an extremely important romantic stage in life, to propose, download this play by the group. Plus everything will go like crazy, well, you hear . Dear friends, this is podcastropology on the first and the marimba plus group, but we must know the faces of the heroes of our program, i am with i will be pleased to introduce our musicians. So, ilya dvoretsky flute, sergey nankin, clarinet, basset horn, now we will hear this basset horn of yours, right . Yes, basset horn, it will happen now, before that. Clarinet, ivan akatov, flugelhorn trumpet,