A political analysis, so to speak, in a taxi the hero says a very important phrase that i am the people, but i dont like any leaders, its as if an idea is born in him before our eyes, and so on at least, zhenya played it, tsyganov, that it is not good that fights evil, but evil with evil, and people, of course, recoiled from any politics, and what followed, including december of ninetythree, all sorts of protest votes. Everything showed how stunned people are by both tank salvoes and the fact that they dont trust anyone, but this, this does not mean that there were no bright participants, charismatic in their own way, with their own truth and so on, just get off with the words plague on both of yours at home, im not ready, i just think there was a chance to avoid this headon collision, and i sincerely believe that in diversity, in general in openness to diversity, there are ways, and i think this is very important, including about this movie, its very easy to pit people against each other, but in fact, to hear and understand, this is also important, but nevertheless, look, it still turns out that for the most part, even fiction , it is rather on the side of the white house, after all , to say that some Literary Works were created, so to speak, relatively speaking with liberal shade, nothing special comes to my mind, after all, you named rather marginalized works. And what famous writers, but still these books, as they say, are not completely heard, and belong to the supulture, i want to say that really except for the novel for 1993, nothing has been written about this, the absolute truth, but i hope that this topic will continue to resonate in literature and i think new things will appear, and from what you said a lot, of course, is worthy of a film adaptation, but why did this happen, do you know why . Yes, in fact, this is the spirit of yegor letovs songs, too another barricader, who was dragged from Mental Hospital to Mental Hospital in soviet times, and then he raised a red flag in protest, so he was also very worried about the fate of the shot parliament, and it was precisely this spirit of victory of the losers that he accurately, in general, the country was imbued with pity and sympathy for those who have become victims. This is also another lesson from october, and of course, writing a work from the position of being hit correctly is somehow not at all in the spirit of russian literature. So even again, tsyganovs hero says, when they save sid and enze, answering their own question, does that mean their colleagues are victims . And then the colleague says they will get to power and become like everyone else, he says, well, that will happen later. But now they are victims. Lets save them, lets pity them, he called for mercy on the fallen, of course, yes, its also very interesting, if you compare the film and the book, yes, this is the ending, in the ending of the book the hero dies, yes, the girl with whom he is with dies acquaintance, this was also in the novel, she does not die there, she is taken away, she is wounded there, she really bloodied, and whether she will survive is a big question, but nevertheless, you have one of the most heartbreaking scenes. What do you mean my wife played, yes they told me, they told me that yours played, she played excellently, in general the actors, i must say , this is just a separate thing, here is a word of gratitude, i must say how convincingly they play, how much you believe in them, no one with a cold nose worked in this picture, and not the actors, not the directors, not the cameramen, not the makeup artists, not the lighting technicians, not the nonworkers, everyone was very worried and passed it through themselves. Thats all i can say for sure, thank you guys, thank you to the group, thank you very much to everyone. I think for both older and younger viewers, everyone will take away something of their own, but the fact that the picture, although it is quite long, looks in one go and you just, well, just believe in what you see, and the camera work absolutely amazing, the artist in the book , the hero really dies and it seems to me that literary, this is honestly justified, yet the movie viewer is waiting for some kind of bright outcome, well, the book also has a bright outcome, because of course, but literature, literature is often halftones, and here, by the way, he dies in the book not from a bullet, but these are those who read. Yes, yes , yes, yes, yes, ah, but it seems to me that cinema, this is no offense to cinema, its just such a genre, requires some more drastic decisions, nevertheless, let me remind you once again that i connected the character with myself personally , skipping all this, instead, i wrote four versions of the script, wrote the script for 2 years, during this time i was born, here in in the third version, in my opinion, exactly this ending was born, because i survived, i survived this time, and i found in myself, that means, some opportunities to move, although having completed higher courses in 95, when we were told that there would be no cinema , goodbye, you studied in vain, you know, yes, but somehow in that paradigm we tried to survive and those who had the patience survived, so on my part. Its just that, since ive already gone down this path, it would be dishonest to heroize this, of course, but girl, isnt it a pity, a pity, very, very sorry, very sorry, and i feel sorry for jans, and jans, jans also died in the book , he dies, as if the line is more developed than in the book of xiang, i can just tell you, its a little, maybe the story will seem funny , when i gave sasha robuk one of the script options to read, almost the last one, i said, well. Its time to disconnect, hes in every film i have, but he wasnt in the monastery, and he says, i read it, he says he really likes the script, well, youngstock jans, i say, i ll write you a scene, especially in which youll reveal shame, youll reveal the main character even more, it was a scene in a bar at night, when theyre afraid, ive been afraid all my life , ive been afraid all my life, but this is what i wrote for him in the scene and sasha said, well, thank you, now this is the role, this podcast life of the remarkable, i am its leading writer alexey varlamov, my guests are director Alexander Veledinsky and writer sergei shargunov. We are talking about the film 1993. By the way, i was pleased with how the book and the film were received from left to right, by those who still remain, but those with artistic instinct, everyone saw their own, and this pain remains with people, and at the same time those who persist in dogmatism, of course, will not be satisfied, neither the novel nor the film. There will be haters from right to left, and i had no doubt, this was when i started making the film and i read the book, i knew, and this happened 4 years ago, our first movements began for the film , i admire it, i really trust alexander, and of course, this was created as a separate, most interesting work, yes, i also think so, that it really is film. Such a real event, like we have had for a long time, probably, but without the book it didnt exist, but i want, i want to make this remark, i often read reproaches, especially related to the new generation, many say how it will be perceived by those who did not live then, did not see it, to me it seems that in some sense the film deliberately, and if not smoothed over, then brought out a political context, and this seems to me archetypally correct, because it is about eternal strife, it is very important to show that good and sincere people could turn out like this against a friend and this mysticism, magic, mystery and pain of schism, it seems to me that it is much more important than immersion in details, it is difficult, i might even argue with this, because just in the novel, no, it was in the novel that i was very interested in reading when some people appeared with by their own names, which, but in the novel all this is more depicted, here is barkashov, here is konstantin, yes, they are all people about whom i have already forgotten, maybe, yes, suddenly they are resurrected like this, yes, there really was such a thing. He said something, he did something, yes, to me, to me it was all, on the other hand, novodvorskaya, gleb yakunin, of course, i remember very well, in fact, this sunday evening on october 3, when gaidar calls on everyone to go to the mass council and my friend calls me and says that i have to go, because, god forbid, these will now burst into the remains, and what will happen in the country is generally unclear, so i remember my feeling that i need to feed my children, i have other worries altogether. This kind of philistine in me spoke to such an insignificant private person who doesnt want to have anything to do with everything, so this is of course interesting, in the film, by the way, it was very interesting to me, when some kind of documentary pictures appeared there, yeltsin appeared, the patriarch appeared, there was also rudskoy, someone, this is really very cool, so this is a combination of documentary and artistic principles, with us i can now reveal such a secret, in the second version, in my opinion. These were characters who directly participated in the film, we had to look for actors, all this and this would become boring in my opinion mine, and i boringly refused this, because a book is a book, again, a movie is a movie, well, of course, in the movie you have a very cool idea with these coffins, thats actually how this topic arises, but in time of the wake, it was born very accidentally. Im very glad that this was born, having already submitted the second version of the script, i called the producer and said, my script is bad, because my heroines line is not developed, she must still achieve her goal, that this confrontation will be with the hero, and i say she will be engaged in this kind of business, in the third version it already appeared , and then when zhaganov read the script and said to you, he says, yes, there was some kind of light in the films at the end, but here it ended quite gloomily for me, i wont say like, yeah, i myself very much doubted this, and when you doubt it with some scenes , some key things, while you are writing or filming, or editing, and then a person comes from the outside and says, this is where im getting along you have, and you think, well, its definitely okay, because what did you think about it, sometimes hell say, okay, you can send it, say, uh, no, youre just okay . I dont understand, comrade, go and have a walk, but here its not, here its absolutely perfect, when you yourself doubted it and someone even pointed a finger at you, thank you, and i was driving, i remember, i was driving in a taxi and i called zhenya and said that im a gypsy , i say, this will be the ending, he says everything, im filming, by the way, many people think that tsiganov has perhaps the best role, that he somehow revealed himself very, very much in this movie, markers. A year that has already not far away, mens, men, dont you want, bryantsy, colleague, retired a long time ago, he played a very correct, kind and conscientious russian man, its cool, the fact is that my wife s father went through this, a paradoxical story, that on the one hand i copied it per person, well, the main character already had almost one to one, well, maybe not space and. As his own, by the way, zhenya, also like a hellraiser, as a witness, came there in 93, yes , yes, also a boy, and you are the same age, that is, you are like that there two gorosh who could in general, to meet at these barricades, maybe we met, or maybe we met, i must say that we met on the set, not everyone recognizes me, its a night in the cold rain and half a minute. In the frame, i was asked who you want to be, maybe some kind of deputy , i said, god forbid, thank you, god, a punk, im wearing a leather jacket, yes, when they crawl out of the hatch, they look like letov, and to me young guys came up after the premiere of the remake, they say there are so many interesting actors, and did you notice there is one there who looks like yegor letov, right . Cool, well, hes also wearing glasses, a leather jacket, he has such a mane, he doesnt flash for long, but just like that, so characteristic, i say, yes, you know who it is. This is the first feature film about those events 30 years later. Well, dear friends, thank you very much for this conversation, thank you even more for this film, for this book. I urge everyone to watch it, read sergeis novel, compare, draw your own conclusions and understand who you are for . It was a podcast, the life of the wonderful, with you i, its host, writer, alexey varlamov, are visiting i had a wonderful director Alexander Veledinsky and writer sergei shargunov, be merciful, here. Hello, im dmitry bak, and here is a literary podcast called let them not speak, let them read, we talk about different topics, about different writers, about classics or about those who are close to us, but today we are talking about an author who on the one hand, he passed away quite a long time ago, on the other hand. He is with us, he is nearby, this is sergei aleksanovich yesenin, and a very popular poet, many say that he is a national poet, his anniversary was celebrated, not this year, but earlier, this year we just remember aysenin with a special feeling every time at the beginning of autumn, when he was born, today we are visiting the general director of the museum of the Sergei Sanovich yesenin reserve, boris igorevich joganson. Hello. Hello. And today our guest is also andrei veshkurtsev, an actor at the moscow art academic theater named after maxim gurkov. Hello andrei. Andrey performer of the role of sergei senin in the sensational play called women yeseninana. We will talk about yeseninen from the point of view of museum exhibitions, from the point of view of a modern reader. Lets start boris, ill ask you a very simple thing, what are we facing today . Exactly what is important about it, what do you think . The main thing is that the great russian poet, Sergei Aleksandrovich yesenin, is understandable and close to a wide range of readers, those who appreciate his appeal to nature, but also those who provide food for a strictly scientific mindset. Pushkin, lerman, the greatest tyutchev, the greatest poets, but here, what if i say that they cant be done right away . Sing, if i asked you now, its completely improvisational, lets sing two lines of the moeps maple, we can, maple, you are my fallen, maple, icy, that you stand bending over under the white snowstorm, well, the experiment was a success, we even sang four , it was difficult to stop, but not at lunch for pushkin or lermontov, but not right away, somehow im not going out onto the road, or i remember a wonderful moment, beautiful romances, i understand what youre talking about dmitry, the point is , probably that there are two definitions, a poet from the people, this is very important, a peoples poet, we can certainly include vysotsky, probably Vladimir Semenovich vysotsky, mikhailovich lermontov, Sergei Aleksandrovich yeseninan among the peoples poets, and i would probably , i wouldnt risk expanding this list too much, despite the fact that my god , my god, how rich our wonderful homeland is in magnificent, wonderful, brilliant talents, among our wonderful contemporaries, so we can say that sergei alexander yesenin, certainly a poet from the people, but who has definitely become a peoples poet, so lets turn to the photographs and yet this photograph, i think that you boris, can comment on it, this is a Group Photograph of young residents of the village of konstantinovo, Sergei Alexandrovich young we we see in the cap in the middle, in order to get on par with the girl he liked, he climbed onto a bucket or some other stand, how do you know, is this a legend or is it really true, well, we figured it out after all, yes, because we are serious we relate to this kind of facts, a noble girl, of course, a beauty, all against the backdrop of the church of the kazan icon of the mother of god, on the right is the estate of the parents of sergei aleksanovich yesenin, where he was born and where he spent his childhood years, where he went later in his youth, when he studied at spasklepikovskaya secondgrade teachers school, when he left konstantinov for moscow, well, just in the next photo, spasklepikovskaya school, its students, yes, thats right, i understand, yes, absolutely right, yesenin is standing third in the last row, hes such a serious young man was, he had a lot of friends, some of whom he had a drinking relationship with. Such a highly artistic and highly moral person shared his poems and experiences, so i look at this man in the top row, third from the right, and involuntarily turn my gaze to veshkurtsev, many say that andrey, you seem to be perceived as yesenin, did you look at these photographs when yes of course, i looked, yeah, in order to get the role i naturally didnt transform myself, i didnt try in any way anyway, i think that the most important thing is, when they give you a role, its for your gut, for your abilities, for your talent, but the most interesting thing is that personally it seems to me that i become like yesenin exactly when the moment of the game occurs, this is wonderful, well, heres boris, im turning to you again, as far as literacy is concerned, on tour, when Sergei Sanovich was still quite young. Was widespread in the ryazan province, in particular in the village of konstantinovo, things were approximately the same as in all more or less large villages in the central part of the russian empire. The zemstvo school in konstantinov has been operating since 1879 and they taught there the basics of arithmetic , the russian language, calligraphy, the law of god, and several other subjects. As a rule, children studied there, they studied in different ways, at the same time adults, what percentage, well, roughly , every second, as a rule, well, probably 90 percent, but yes, yes, after the second or third grade the percentage became smaller , yesenin graduated from the zemstvo school very well, but he stayed for the second year, he stayed for the second year because of his behavior, and even then he was, well, probably not yet the kind of guy he was, thats the kind of guy he is was a guy, its all clear, lets remind our interlocutors that zemstvo schools are a relatively recent innovation in russia, yes, this is a reform already in the seventies of the 21st century, that is , relatively shortly before the birth of Sergei Sanovich, that is, its still something that was perceived as new, positive, yes, innovative, probably, but these, nevertheless, several decades have passed since the moment. Their introduction, so 79 is the appearance in konstantinovo, so, of course, they appeared in russia a little earlier, well, there were wonderful teachers there, to whom Sergei Alexandrovich remained grateful all his life, his spiritual mentor, priest ion yakolevich smirnov, worked there, to whom he addressed in his poems, considered him a very important person in his life, yeah, its clear, while we they talked about how, well, its clear without. Well, an absolutely brilliant person, a nugget, well, a treasure of the russian land, who just grew straight from these places near the og, then, thats what ill ask about, this combination a city dweller, uh, smartly dressed, uh, a stylistically impeccable person, and a person who maintains a connection with the countryside, now we see him in a new look, did the countryside still remain, authentic, or was it stylized . Well, you know, here, there are different points of view, it seems to me that one can only speak very conditionally about the rural, such a predominant direction in his poetry, look, in the twelfth year Sergei Yesenin leaves konstantinov and goes to moscow, he enters moscow. How old is he, he is 17 years old this year, 17 years old, a man is 17 years old, he enters an art and music club named after surikov, attends lectures at the shanyavsky peoples university, of course, he wanted this, he achieved this, and he used this time to get an education, and then, well, what can we say, where. The way of life and where his life was in petrograd at that time, although of course, there he played such an operetta peasant boy, after all, he played a peasant boy. Of course, according to the recollections, according to the numerous recollections of those interested, who this is so they described it ironically, but with all that, they did justice to his unconditional talent, and then moscow, and what can we say about the period of imagism, well, thats a little later, but there are already concerts, there is a completely different story, but still this is a combination of rural and the urban one is very important, i agree with you, another thing is this. The subtle state that he carried through all his poetry, the feeling of russian nature, im fed up, exhausted, my body is more decrepit than me, mr. Smith, hello, im elina , this is our operator gatey, one company in japan dumps toxic waste directly into the sea, people get sick, die, tragedy in japan, mercury poisoning, the Pulitzer Prize is yours. 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I really liked yudashkins show, i think its level corresponds to international fashion. Congratulations valentin. To the sixtieth anniversary of the birth of valentin yudashkin. Matador in friday on the first. So we continue on. We are talking about sergei alesanovich yeseninin, about the brilliant russian poet, and today we are talking with the director of the state museum of the sergevichanin reserve, boris joganson, with the actor of the moscow art academic theater named after maxim korkov andrei veshkurtsev. Im turning to andrey again, but its very important for me to ask you specifically about the elements of senin, well, after all. Or there are some in them in your opinion, as it seems to you, there is no need to show any knowledge here, just how you perceive them, well, it seems to me that yesenins poems, poetry itself, are probably some kind of the most extreme form of expressiveness, feelings, thoughts, and yesenin made his way to a new stage in poetry, in language in general, to say that they are simple. It seems to me that this is a good word, simple, not in the sense that it is some kind of primitiveness, yes, of course, of course, they are simple in a good sense, at the same time they are incredibly difficult to decipher, to describe, and in terms of acting, this is generally its very difficult to read and intone them, well, intonation is not good actors, come on, forgive me, yes, yes, yes, and it seems to me that yesenin is captivating with his youth and energy, youth and energy, look at today how many young people we have in everyone you can see yesenin, now 100 years have passed , and we have the same active, equally talented, unrestrained guys that Sergei Yesenin was then, they want to live the same way, they want to give themselves, they want to do everything, this energy and youth, it seems to me, it is very understandable for our time too, a wonderful idea, yes, boris, it seems to me that nothing to add, wonderfully formulated, maybe read, everything living, special is noted from an early age, if i were not a poet, then i was probably a swindler, thin and short, always a hero among boys. Often, often with a broken nose, i came to my home to meet my frightened mother, i spoke through my bloody mouth, nothing, i tripped over a stone , it will all heal by tomorrow, and now , when these days have caught a cold, the boiling water, restless, daring strength, my poems poured out, a golden pile of words, above each line endlessly reflected the former daring of the bully and the tomboy. How brave and proud i was then, only my new step splashes, if before they hit me in the face, now my soul is all covered in blood, im not talking to my mother anymore, into a strange and laughing rabble, nothing, i tripped over a stone, thats all for tomorrow , will heal. Lets continue this line of mine, well, not a provocative line, but still an attempt, to look at yesenin not from such a standard side, but somehow see the problem here, after all, hes a bully, his face is covered in blood, well, not does a person flaunt this from a certain moment, but its as if he doesnt succumb to this appearance of his, well, how does an actor happen . An actor becomes very famous for some role, enters a series, as if he begins to play not not a role, but himself in a previous role, but here there is no such freezing, this is generally my question for both of you, well, even if there is one, then why, when this is found, this, there is a beautiful, poetic, brilliant embodiment, then this should not be, it remains in time for centuries, this is crazy. Mad, bloody dregs, what are you, death or healing . That yesenin , who was pushed aside by himself, of course, well, sort of into the background, a little, because his early poems are conventionally early, and not mature poems, especially those that were included in the collection radunitsa, which was published in two editions, in the sixteenth year in the eighteenth, if im not mistaken, but it seems not, right there theres no brawler, theres no muzzle in the blood yet, in life he was already there, as we know, a little later it was all the mazhenist period, and moscow kabatskaya, and then pugachev, and then the rest of the works, of course, black man, and a lot of works, but still, here are completely different lines, the lord went to torture people in love, he went out as a beggar to the middle of nowhere , well, remember, pushkins deserted sower of freedom, or these poor villages of tyuchev, the next poem here, it just opened up for me book, quietly in the thicket of mozhzhevo cliff, autumn red mare, scratching her mane, there is such a revival of nature here, when, well, its not very clear what is in front of you , a hut, an animal, or grass, or storm, or rain, so i adore this yesenia, but we love this too , why not, of course, this is what people like and these poems are also wonderful , or rot into the basis of so many written works, the noise and din in this lair. This is wonderful, like andrey, it seems to you that yesenin, these verses, after all , pushed himself away from himself, or is it still the image of shackles this is a natural evolutionary thing for him, yes, i think that this is the path of development, and if we say that this is a little like tyutchevs poetry, every person, at the very beginning of his path, imitates a mentor, he searches, but at the same time some roots are appearing, so i think its even more interesting to watch how it starts from nature and ends with moska kabatskaya , of course, well, im ready to argue with you here, because in what sense, no, he doesnt learn ironing, and doesnt teach anything, hes just completely different, no, im not byron, im different, because, well, Fyodor Ivanovich tyuchev, of course, is a native of bryansk, and also flesh