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I wont make judgments about her history, her future, its none of our business, this is a matter for the french people themselves, but i know that there are many people with the views that you represent, and true friends in france, friends of russia, and their number is growing, will this situation worsen further from the point of view of the situation in the world taking into account the fact that, as you said, this kind of ideological confrontation will continue, but it will never end , this is obvious, these different movements, no matter what guise they take, they will of course always fight among themselves, this is obvious, but in my opinion, still awareness of the importance, the enduring significance of national values, traditions, it will gradually Gain Momentum in european countries, and in the states themselves, and in this sense, i think that the ideological confrontation will continue, but still the future belongs to nationally oriented forces in the world, and about the balance. Between them on the world stage, must be achieved, as i said in my speech, through the search for compromises between civilizations, dear colleagues, come on, we are really running out of time, lets blitz, please, i beg you, very short questions, youre welcome, yes youre welcome, but the questions are still short , please try, short question, oh, ill try, thank you, constantin starish, republic of moldova, parliamentary opposition, i have the question is, sooner or later , this conflict will end anyway, and i want to believe that some kind of reassembly of relations between russia and the west will begin, i say very selfishly, because when this kind of confrontation occurs, in countries such as moldova, such countries are very feverish, feverish both economically and politically, and so i would like to believe that such a process of reconfiguring relations, which will determine the fate of Greater Europe for the decade ahead, will still begin, in your opinion, Vladimir Vladimirovich, what role can such people play . Countries like moldova in this process and what, what place they can take in this future structure that will arise. It depends on the people of moldova, no, i ll explain now, ill explain, if the people of moldova vote for those people who want give away a significant part of their sovereignty to other countries, trailing behind these interests, then they will take a position in accordance with this and will occupy a certain one. So it will not be seen or heard, but if they follow the path of preserving sovereignty, national dignity, preserving their national traditions, then , as i said in my speech, we will strive to ensure that all countries, regardless of their size, economic status had an equal voice, so that everyone would relate to i dont know how its all it will work out, but our position is this, this is exactly what we will strive for, yes, please, a hand was raised here. Well, no there, yes, the man raised his hand, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, kubatimov, kyrgyz republic, short question, we see a successful case of creating a gas union between russia and uzbekistan and kazakhstan, this year already, in in october, uzbekistan will already receive russian gas, but we have two more problems in central asia, water and energy, thats how you assess the prospects, Vladimir Vladimirovich. Creation a water and energy union in which russia would act as an active player and moderator of processes to avoid social instability and even armed conflicts. Thank you, as for energy, and energy supplies, we have never supplied gas from russia to central asia, there in soviet times, everything was different; from central asia it was supplied through two pipelines. Systems, but now, taking into account the growing needs, the growth of the economy of our friends in central asia, they have set before us question, and climate change, this year in kazakhstan in tashkent it was generally minus 21, minus 24 , in my opinion, no one ever remembers this, its simply incredible, but it happened, which means it can happen again, so we. To think about implementing, starting the supply of russian gas to these countries, without which, without these supplies it is difficult, we understand, so we worked on this together, and our kazakh friends took up and implemented a plan to restore their part of the Pipeline System , the same was done on the territory of. Uzbekistan and gazprom should have done this on the territory of the Russian Federation, including reconfiguring and reconfiguring some of our technical capabilities, because i repeat once again, gas was supplied in one direction in soviet times, now it needs to be supplied in the other, we will implement this, technically, this has already been done, in october of this year. Full deliveries will begin, in small volumes for now, but this is critically important for both the economy of kazakhstan and the economy uzbekistan, we will supply 3 billion cubic meters per year, and then we can increase it, yes, there are other problems, this is energy in the broad sense of the word, hydro energy, this is water, these are all solvable issues, they are not easy economically and financially points of view, but solvable, but when solving all these issues, we, of course, should not forget about the environment , this is all in our field of vision, including with our kyrgyz friends, we know about this, we are working on it, since the Prime Minister a minister with a permanent position we are discussing this, i hope we will see him at the cis summit in the near future, and we will also talk about this. So everything is on the agenda, we, we understand that this is important for our countries, by the way, as for supplies of our gas to moldova, i once noticed that one of the moldovan officials said that more, more, which means moldova does not buy russian gas, to be honest, i was a little surprised, because the conditions on which we. Insert gas into moldova, these are moldovan conditions, namely the moldovans asked us, and for such a supply and price formula, it was precisely the moldovan proposal, and we met halfway, despite all the contradictions in the political sphere, we chose the proposal of the moldovan side, but, of course, issues related to debt obligations must be resolved, here this is an obvious thing, but. Despite the statement of moldovan officials that moldova has stopped receiving our gas, i asked miler yesterday and today i say, listen, what are they doing, what are they doing there, they i dont need gas, he says, yes, no, as we supplied everything, we supply everything, nothing has changed at all, what kind of people are they, they are talking their tongues, it is unclear why they are doing this, in my opinion they are only damaging the economy of moldova, yes, please. Yes, yes, yes, vladimi, speaking. Uttered his famous phrase we need a great russia, you need great upheavals. Then great upheavals did not escape russia. The last time these shocks came to us was in the ninety first year. Today russia is moving from great turmoil to greatness. What is the greatness of russia for you . Thank you. We all we know you as a writer, a patriot of russia and such a fundamentalist, i would say, of russian statehood. Regarding the greatness of russia, you know, the greatness of russia today lies in strengthening its sovereignty, and sovereignty is based on selfsufficiency, in technology, in finance, in the economy as a whole, in the field of defense and security, thats what i would like in this regard to say, those people who for some reason began to fight with todays russia after 10. Years, i partly said this in my speech, i dont understand at all why they they did it only out of selfconfidence, out of stupidity , i cant say it any other way, i keep asking myself why, after all, we threw up our hands, we want, we re here, no, we started trying to finish off, why, but nevertheless, they began. this is a choice, to strengthen their sovereignty in the sphere of doing, this led us to the only economy, finance, technology and security, and so these are the people who began to do this and brought it to todays stage , such a confrontation, already heated, they began to impose sanctions on us, they achieved the opposite. Expected result, we are experiencing a completely obvious change in the structure of the russian economy, so i already said, uh, that means, in the gdp structure, we added 3 from oil and gas, and from processing industries, including, of course, the defense industry, but not only, i already said, it means that this is electronics optics, mechanical engineering, 43 , they left our market, apparently they thought that everything would collapse, but no, everything is only getting stronger, yes, it has grown a little, inflation, yes, the ruble is fluctuating there, we see these problems, but the structure of the economy is changing, it is becoming more hightech on its own basis, we need to maintain this trend. And we will definitely do this, on the basis of this we will continue to strengthen our defense capability, we see these issues that arise, excuse me, ill tell you frankly during the fighting, we see what we still lack, but we are increasing this production, and in some, in some areas, directly by several times, not by some percentages, by several times, and if. We maintain all these trends, and we we will certainly do this and we will rely on the support and trust of our people, which is also expressed in the fact that we simply have a wide flow of volunteers joining the armed forces; today we already have 335,000 people who voluntarily came and concluded, contracts with the ministry of defense and about 5,000 more, a little more even, socalled volunteers, although they are all volunteers, but they come voluntarily, but this is simply a different category, contracts are signed for a shorter period, in general this is already somewhere around 350,000, this is a manifestation of Peoples Trust in the policies of the russian state, because everyone sees that we are not dealing with some kind of momentary issues, everything is ours. We cant do everything as we would like, but the overwhelming majority of citizens see that everything is aimed at strengthening the russian, russian, state, russian statehood, it is multicomponent, but , but the trend is obvious, absolutely obvious, the trend is very positive, correct, our task is to maintain these trends and well do it as well can i butt in, one thing, since you touched on the volunteers, its just that you recently, during the year that passed , among other things, there was one event, very dramatic, an attempt at a military mutiny, and you recently met with imagine i wanted to be positive it doesnt let me finish, but this is a positive thing, i just wanted to ask, now we know how to deal with private military companies , you know, we have, this, it was a journalistic name, a private military company, in russia there are no private military companies, because there is no. Law on private military companies, but in our country they do not exist and did not exist, which means that the experience that was, it was so clumsy, because it was not based on the law, yes, it was caused by the need of the current situation, directly, lets say, on battlefield, when the ministry of defense proposed that parts of this company come to participate in hostilities, i did not object, because, because people acted voluntarily and, and we saw that they fought heroically, but the interests of even ordinary members of this company and the leadership of this companies, they do not always coincide, not nevertheless, they received income of 300, in my opinion, 840 million billion rubles from Food Supplies to the armed forces, there were other problems related to the pure economic component, but i dont want to go into that now, we dont yet have a consensus, in russia regarding whether we need such formations or not, but today i can say for sure that several thousand fighters of this company, they have already signed contracts with the armed forces, they want, and if they want, then they will take part in combat actions, this first second, they do it on the basis of signed individual contracts, which was not the case before, and it was, it was a big mistake. Because this did not guarantee people social protection, but if there is no contract, then there are no social obligations on the part of the state , well, why hide it, everyone already knows this, the money was paid in cash, as in cash, to be honest, this is my fault, as if yes, and i couldnt imagine how it could be, and if its in cash, that means who was given it, who wasnt given it, who determines who gets what . Deserve it . This is a question, so if you do this, then it must be done on the basis of the law, well, this is a difficult process , simple, difficult, complex, and we are discussing, thinking about it, but from the point of view, from the point of view in many countries such companies exist, they are actively working, and above all they work abroad, of course, well, we all know this well, but whether we need. Or we dont need it, we will think about it, but, well, now we see what is happening on the line of contact, where Russian Troops feel confident in many ways directions, they are moving yesterday, along the entire line of contact, in twelve sections, we just dont Pay Attention to this fundamental. Attention, but it matters, we have advanced in 12 directions, somewhere around 300, 400, 500 , in two areas, 1,500, 1,600 m deep, but this is simply called improving your position on the battlefield, these are tactical things, but they still matter, so do we need private military, military companies here . Well, we need people who want to fight and defend interests homeland, to fight for their homeland, there are such people, including from the company that you mentioned, and so that quite already, i know, the question is probably hanging in the air, what happened to the companys management and so on, but we know about plane crash, the head of the Investigative Committee reported to me, literally. Just the other day fragments of hand grenades were found in the bodies of those killed in the plane crash, there was no external influence on the plane, this is already an established fact, a fact. The result of the examination carried out by the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, well, the investigation has not been completed, yes, unfortunately, there was the presence of alcohol or drugs in the blood of the victims, no examination was carried out, although we know that after the wellknown events, the fsb found not only 10 billion in cash in a company in st. Petersburg, but also 5 kg cocaine, but, but, i repeat, once again, in my opinion, such an examination should have been carried out, but it was not carried out, well , this is what it is, i told you, and i want to say right away, that means i asked i asked the chairman of the Investigative Committee whether this could be said publicly, he said yes its possible, this is an established fact, so in this way, well, lets, and some more , so as not to end here, heres Margarita Simonyan, maybe, yes, margarita, please, although you could already give the floor to our foreign , please, well, okay, you said about karabakh, i , as an ethnic armenian, cannot help but react, let me assure you that all normal armenians understand everything perfectly well and understand perfectly well that pashinyan was brought to power at one time precisely for this to surrender karabakh and what would this raises such questions as our leading european politicians quoted, and normal armenians understand that if not for russia, the armenian people would not exist, as in the early 19th century, when griboyedov saved them, and in the early 21st, when they rescued the peacekeeper in karabakh, this is a remark, a short question, our guest from hungary does not want to ask about our odessa, but i want to, because odessa is a russian city, a beautiful city, it seems to us that russian cities should live in russia, in connection with this question, where. Would you like us to stop, thank you, the first part of your speech, i cannot agree with you that it means that Prime Minister pashenyan was brought to power by someone from the outside and in order to surrender karabakh, after all, it was the choice of the armenian people, yes, it is possible. Have different attitudes towards the electoral processes, but this is a fact, so i dont agree with you here, this is the first, second thing, that he sought to surrender karabakh, i also dont agree, i communicated with him, communicated closely, during this conflict of the twentieth years, and a little earlier, of course, because lets remember when he came to authorities, he said that karabakh is part of armenia, no one had ever said this before. Well, its true that then his position changed radically, why is this no longer a question for me, and then during the conflict of the twentieth year, i talked to him, in my opinion, he sincerely sought to maintain the situation, preserve it, i dont now i say, the decisions were right, wrong , its not my place to judge this, but to say that i consider it unfair that he purposefully surrendered karabakh, now about, about where we should stay, you know, we, its not about territories, its about guarantees of the security of the peoples of russia and the russian state. And this is a more complex question than some territory, in the safety of people who consider russia their homeland, and we consider them our people, well, this is such a complex question that requires conversation, im afraid to talk to your husband, hes like that, that means , if not an extremist, then a person of extreme convictions, but we will discuss with you, and then some more. Yes, please, lets go here, uhhuh, big thank you mr. President , i work in islamabad and would like to return to the speech, we understood very important issues, you keep saying who are they to ask us questions or dictate to us . And we understand that military alliances have really changed the entire balance of power in the middle east, by attacking various countries, including afghanistan, iraq and so on, but there is a serious question, if we are really building a multipolar world, it must be based on economic aspects, you talked about energy, you look at the competition in the markets, and you. Thats my question is it possible, during crises, to see an opportunity for russia to create a new economic world order. I am a political scientist, and it seems to me that its all about the economic order. The one who controls natural resources, the one who controls all routes, transportation, has all the levers of control, and is there any new project, how can we resist sanctions, sanctions are really strangling not only russia, but also many others countries, russia survives because russia has a lot of resources, but there are other countries , for example, in africa in asia, can you formulate your own opinion, how would you determine whether it is possible in the future to form a new economic world order led by russia . I fully agree with what you just said, it is so, the future world order will certainly be based on the future. Economic and monetary and financial system, it must be more balanced, it must meet the interests of the vast majority of Participants International communication, so it is, are there any prospects that this will eventually take place, this is a very complex process, judging by the way our opponents behave, lets call them that, since we are now talking about the economy, we wont operate some other terms, but they cling at all costs to. I already said , and many people think so, that the british system is outdated, because its not me who is saying, its western experts, it needs to be changed, of course, it leads to such ugly phenomena, such as debt obligations of developing countries economies, of course, this is certainly the complete dominion of the dollar in the world system. It will happen, its already a matter of time, but through their, lets say, well, to put it mildly, unprofessional actions, their stubbornness and their disdain for all other participants in International Economic communication, lets say politically. Their authorities, the economic authorities in the usa, shoot themselves in the foot, because when they limit, limit, payments in dollars, well, what should we do, we are forced then, just we are forced to pay in national currencies, we are forced to discuss issues that i already spoke about when answering one of my colleagues questions, and to create new logistics. In these currency transactions, therefore, the scope of the dollar is naturally reduced, it is reduced as the united states, this is a huge economy, and the country is huge and great, without any doubt, there can be no doubt here, we have nothing here we are downplaying and not exaggerating anything, but she herself is reducing her sphere of influence in the world. That is, this and this is happening due to objective reasons for the growth of emerging markets and developing economies, look at the pace at which asia is developing, this is already happening, and the states, based on the political situation of today, are accelerating these processes, well, excuse me, but to put it mildly, you know, there is such a common expression, it is worse than a crime, it is a mistake. This is true, in this case it is true, therefore, if there are any projects that will create a new base. One of these projects, one train, one track, this is a unifying slogan, one belt and one road, all together, and we are doing the same thing, during the construction of the eurasian economic community, we are thinking together about how to unite, and if the brix countries, the sco countries are also involved here, well , listen, this is it there is. Pakistan is also involved in this and is working together to find solutions. Of course, this is a difficult, difficult task, it will take time, but the realization that this is beneficial to everyone will push this process forward, i will end where i started, in this sense, strengthening a multipolar world is inevitable. Thank you very much, thank you very much. Thank you very much, vladimir vladimirov, we are waiting for you in a year at the twentyfirst valdai. And im looking forward to seeing you all at events of this kind, and i want to thank you for your participation, thank you very much. The meeting of the Plenary Session of the twentieth anniversary meeting of the International Discussion club of the valdai club has ended, and the theme of the meeting, by the way, this year is justice and multipolarity, how to ensure security and development for all. In general, this topic defines any issues that concern all of humanity today, and individual countries, and individual groups of people, and even individual, so to speak, individuals, in general, during these 3 and a half hours that the meeting lasted, and Vladimir Putin spoke, and there was a panel discussion, but in general, i dont know , of the questions that describe in one way or another the life of all humanity and Different Countries and all of us as individuals, i dont know which questions were not asked, even were are given here towards the end, those questions that no one expected to be heard at the valda club, i think now its all already diverging after the death of prigozhin, which means, but all this fits into a much broader context of this multipolarity, in fact, everyone heard it here , every person in every country, ive been watching so far, well, ive been watching with my colleagues how these issues were going, i see that ukrainian publics. They were following this, western publics were following, and armenian publics, i think, were following this, that is, there seemed to be something for everyone here everyone, because it is absolutely obvious that when the leader of the Russian Federation speaks, and a meeting of the volday club, it is always, well, as if everyone knows in advance what it will be, well, there is a conversation about many very important issues, and most importantly, what will be done there very important accents, when talking about important complex topics, important and complex accents will be made, in this sense. Vladimir putin , speaking to this audience of participants in this club, of course speaks indirectly with the leader of the west, with the leaders the west, with the leaders of the east, he talks to you and me, to many of our questions and some perplexities, and he answers himself and the presenter also asked him clarifying questions, so i think that in this conversation everyone could hear something for themselves something very important, as far as i am concerned. It seems to me that despite all the importance of the discussions, of so many issues , the most important things, well, such framework ones, they were voiced at the very beginning in the speech of Vladimir Putin himself, where he first defined, and this very important story this is the time in which we live, well, its true he spoke about the last 20 years, it fell during the era of the breakdown of the entire world order, when time seemed to be compressed, and he emphasized that all these years we have repeatedly warned against such an approach when the west set a course for hegemony, it leads not only to a dead end, but is fraught with an increasing threat of military conflict, because no one was going to listen to us, no one wanted, and the arrogance of our socalled partners in the west, you know, was simply off the charts, its impossible to say otherwise , the usa and its satellites firmly took course towards hegemony, military, political, economic, cultural, even moral and valuebased. It seems to me that this is the same frame that in many ways describes, even in many ways, those local and global problems that were raised in the questions, and we are discussing here with you in the studio about what the world is today, this is from why is it breaking, it is breaking, and the question that Vladimir Putin focused on this issue, it seems to me, is very important, substantively, and i would say, emotionally, please, International Law they are trying to replace it with order, what kind of order, based on certain rules, what kind of rules, what kind of rules they are, who they are is completely unclear, but this is just some kind of alien nonsense, but they are trying to introduce into the minds of millions of people, you have to live by the rules, which rules, and in general, if we may allow our western colleagues, especially from the united states, not only establish such arbitrary rules, but at the same time teach who should fulfill them and how, who should behave and how in general , does. And this is all usually said in an openly boorish manner, thats all all the same manifestation, this is a colony of colonial thinking, we hear all the time, it sounds all the time, you must, you must, we are seriously warning you, who are you in general, and indeed, who are you in general, for me both meaningfully and emotionally , and if i. i needed to answer the question, what is the most important for me , what describes everything, what the conversation is about here and here, this is about this, and then, as they say, our guests immediately after a short advertisement they will talk about what was memorable for them, dont switch, look, this is ozonbank, and you have a lot of clients here, already more than 20. 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Ru or at the bank office, the program time will tell, we continue to work live, we are discussing the just ended Plenary Session of the valdai forum, at which Vladimir Putin spoke and answered many questions, i said before the advertisement that for me the most memorable thing is, who are you . In general, that you dictate the rules to everyone and so on, is a different question, because in fact, we have asked this question many times, someone needs to repeat it again, there is an opinion that someone did not understand, if this is the emphasis , putin doesnt make accents in vain, who is this for . You know, i think what were talking about here is that Vladimir Putin wanted to say this, he wanted to convey this, on the one hand, but on the other hand, knowing how it happens that i have repeatedly sat in this hall, this is pure improvisation, this is pure improvisation, this is connected primarily with the fact that that he certainly communicates through an audience of intellectuals, he communicates with the rest of the world and he knows perfectly well that this world hears him and feels him, and of course these speeches, they completely destroy all theses that form. Those narratives that form the western world , russia is torn apart kloche, russia is isolated, russia is demotivated, putin, all these theses, he simply smashed to smithereens, this is the first, the second is that putin wanted to show his confidence, his clear opinion, formulated just now, regarding how exactly they are mistaken and how exactly, in what way exactly the western actors are weak, this was very obvious, well , this is who you are, in fact, this is a sacramental question, rhetorical, it does not require an answer, because everyone already understands perfectly well , that western one the establishment that is now forming these narratives is weak, and it is forming a weak policy, and this is the model that is being exploited now, it leads nowhere, and he clearly explained this with numbers, it leads to the collapse of the system that they are trying to ill return it for some reason. Although an alternative and parallel already exist, and a parallel reality exists, and so on, and those tools that do not use sanctions, illegal and so on, they are broken down into one simple thing, legal thinking is, gives powerful competencies those who have it, the legal thinking is possessed by china, russia, india, the brix countries, which do not want to live by the rules, but want to live by the law, which is not clear who is imposing it on what basis. So, because putin clearly asked, guys, you formulate it, its not this time , you formulate it, well see what, what kind of rule this is, maybe well like it, but so far you cant even formulate it, then you guys are politically impotent, yeah, this really clearly crossed the red line, but this is not, not neglect, rudeness is not in putins style at all, it is very very, it was very clearly visible when Margarita Simonyan asked a question about the armenians and so on and about pashiyan, he very clearly. Despite your opinion, i he says i cant say this, its none of my business, he makes decisions, but these decisions lead to consequences that can be destructive for countries, this happened in ukraine, this happened in moldova, he made it clear, this is happening in armenia, the word was not spoken to kazakhstan, but no less questions remain, namely in kuzbekistan. And so on, these questions remain, and i think that the people who were present there, who listened to putin, these are not only these people, but the entire audience, they took away much more from this speech, from this speech, than perhaps they even wanted to endure, because it has taken root in their consciousness and it will now determine existence, uhhuh, uhhuh, geopolitical existence, about geopolitical existence, in principle, when i started the program, i said that of course he again. Many theses, and you too say this, repeated, deciphered, explained, asked some questions that he addressed not only, and sometimes not so much to the audience, but as if well, its clear what putins vezavi are, in that advertisement that. To me my comrade writes, listen, why does he explain all this to them again in such detail, if he has already explained it all to everyone 30 times, and those who could and wanted to understand have already understood everything, and those who cannot or do not want, they still wont understand why repetition is the mother of teaching, as putin said, well, repetition is the mother of teaching, thats of course good, but we understand perfectly well that 3. 5 hours of the time of the leader of our. Country at such a time is not easy, which Vladimir Vladimirovich has emphasized more than once, but nevertheless, it is very clear in detail with numbers and so on, this is still again pronounce, it seems like this is happening again, then dont say that you didnt hear, or close, close to that, i think there are two reasons, the first is that he himself used the format, because when they said today that all the world will be watching, the whole world will really be watching look, the whole world doesnt watch every speech of vladimir vladimich putin, and this, that is, he took advantage of how it is that the whole world doesnt watch the speech, no, no, the second one a year later, two years later, three later, he once again said that the position , he hasnt changed his opinion, as he says trends at the end , yes, you can talk about trends, you see the president says, trends have not changed, that is , this is a personal reminder, but this is not the main thing in todays meeting. Putin, thats what im waiting for, not me, the world, the world is waiting for a project from putin, because there are two people in the world from whom this project of the future is expected, and this is putin, it is important, i quote myself, who will do this first, what is the project . Point by point in his speech the state of civilization, then came the points first, second, third, fourth, this is of course the most general formulation, but i have already posted the text on the kremlin, so i also talked about the third point about this, thanks to Vladimir Vladimirovich, for clear formulations , century century of blocks, and he said what is important. Blocks, all around the boss, that is, it is vertical, integrated organizations, where there is a boss, a directorate, subordinates, satellites, and so on, and the 21st century is what putin himself and his comrades are now doing in the best sense of the word, including the chairman of the xi, these are network alliances, they are horizontal, about this is what he said today half the time, in a horizontal structure, each participant has absolutely equal rights, here when he says, no one should rule the world for others, everyones voice is important, this is an informal sign, there is a state in each of the points civilization, either the word justice or the word equality is present, these points are about justice , because unlike the formal sign of one country, one voice, putin deciphered, in solving problems at Different Levels in these alliances, in global alliance, after all. Those who are affected by this are participating in the world, look, today, yes, they are discussing the issues of armeniaazerbaijan , france, germany, the European Union are sitting there, the americans have almost been forgotten, in the world of the future, these are armenia and azerbaijan and those to whom it concerns, russia, iran, turkey, despite the fact that all other countries are also members of this alliance, and also the projects. This is a Huge Foundation for the future, and putin was the first to do it, and i hope that these are his points that will become the main subject of discussion, and not that he spoke to koraganov, although this is valid, of course, he says, it is enough that we, right now, are like right now, lets talk about this, by the way, i also wanted to make a small remark about the fact that it would seem that many things have already happened more than once, not twice, and not just three were said, but some arguments are so precise, for example , in todays speech, this thesis that we already have a big country and no territorial acquisitions due to the fact that this is heard all the time, russia is part of the ukrainian territories, he says guys, yes, this is not about territories at all, it finds that russia has no borders, yes, we dont need New Territories at all, we are not talking about that at all, we are about people, not about territories, this is very an important nuance, but this is exactly what you came up with, this is where Vladimir Vladimirovich began that this is the behavior of a boorish hegemon, this approach leads not only to a dead end of the womb. The growing threat of a military conflict, and the situation is really difficult, i will now give you Vladimir Putin himself, i said this, i emphasized this more than once during the conversation, that in general, well, everything is very difficult, i will now let you listen to a short. Fragment, the beginning of Sergei Karaganovs question, which you mentioned, it seems to me very indicative in the sense of the reaction of putin himself. Please. Im one of veterans and founders of the club and i am in a state close to happiness, on the day of its twentieth anniversary, because, well, old people should say that, generally speaking, it was better with us, it wasnt like that, with us it was better, now its better, more fun, more interesting, brighter , more colorful, so thank you too. For participation, the question i have is this, as for more fun, it seems to me that when its more interesting, then its more fun, thats when its more fun for you, to be honest, im not very, you know, yes, its actually, thats through through an emotional reaction, this is a conversation about very serious things, which were later discussed in the question, and you and i, well, with most of you here in this studio , discussed this question, which he asked Vladimir Putin and which he voiced in his articles, about whether its time we should change our nuclear doctrine, and shouldnt we resume nuclear tests, so to speak, focusing on the fear that some people there have lost, Vladimir Vladimirovich, in my opinion, answering this part about the resumption. Puts it rather from the point of view of such political influence, left a little towards the militarytechnical aspect, that well, i dont seem to see in general the need to test Something Like this now, but a very important emphasis was placed on the transition from the need for or unnecessary technical tests to this factor of ratifying a waiver of testing , lets listen. As a rule, experts say well, a new weapon, you need to make sure that there is a boyzar, a special boyzar will work without failures, but tests need to be carried out, well, im not ready to say now, we really or not need to conduct tests, but well, well, behave in a mirror way. In relations with the united states, i will repeat once again, when they signed, but did not ratify, and we signed and ratified, in principle, it is possible to behave in a mirror manner with the same united states, but this is a question of the state duma department, theoretically it is possible to revoke this ratification, its enough, if we do this, it will be. Quite enough, and in fact, i dont understand these issues thoroughly, but based on a persons facial expressions, who sits next to sergei koraganov, in his own words, well, it was Something Like, well, nothing is so normal for a start, in this sense, this is to revoke ratification, not to revoke the ratification of the state duma, this is really some kind of step, and if yes, then what is it, what is its significance, you know, today a lot of geopolitical issues were discussed and russia really voiced. Theses on what principles the new world will be built, but the question to which Everyone Wants to understand the answer is, what next . What the this conflict with ukraine, it will collide with russia directly, and Nuclear Weapons will be used, many western theorists say that the russians do not have the courage to use them, yeah, we can do anything, thats why Sergei Karaganov always said that we need go a little up the stairs, escalate, show the west that we are committed to this use, not immediately using Nuclear Weapons or striking europe, as some want, but in the interim show that we are leveling the imbalance, these are his articles that we are here v the studios have discussed this more than once, after all, this answer about the withdrawal of ratification, you know, i want to draw attention to something else, the president said two things today firstly, the system that will respond to an attack on us will work in seconds, and the wettest rockets will fly to several continents. This suggests that we are taking into account the entire collective nato bloc along with britain, most likely from france. Yes, Vladimir Putin said that they will fly in different directions, yes, this is the first second, very important, he said that we are finished tests of an intercontinental strategic Cruise Missile with a Nuclear Engine and Nuclear Warhead burevestnik. This is a new type of weapon. He said, do we need to do these tests . And of course, any scientists. To do this, but the accumulated baggage that we had from the soviet union allows us to say with almost one hundred percent probability that this warhead will work, its overall dimensions have changed, but the recall and ratification in the state duma, and we, this is a very important point, this will help cheer up western nonpartners a little, as we are now saying that we are reacting quite seriously to the things being done. Moreover, the deployment of tactical Nuclear Weapons in belarus is a response, a retaliatory measure against the collective west and nato , which has brought these destruction systems to our borders, we still have a few elements left of the antimissile system. Tell me about this moment, because, well, there was such an emphasis on this that we ll think about it, well, relatively speaking, im an adversary there, an american there, okay, an american, so i hear putin in valdai and he says, well, actually, lets think about revoking ratification, should i start scratching my turnips at this moment or not, and if i should start scratching my turnips, being an american, what exactly am i wincing about, thats it for me explain. They began to tremble and scratch their turnips, what will he Start Talking about at this moment . Tests or are preparing to carry them out, and what next after the test, or perhaps they will use it on us, and this will build their design further in a different way, the most important thing is that the residents begin to react. I understand, its clear, yes, artyom, look, these are putins words, they are connected with those trends with those theses that western politicians, the western press, the entire western mainstream have been writing for the last few weeks with the following formulation, there is no money, there are no weapons, what do next, everything and new york the times, wol street journals, american politics, european politicians say they are either saying directly or hinting that the previous approach failed in relation to ukraine, a war of. Attrition in this situation there are three options where they can go reduce funding little by little merge, force russia to freeze, or the third option escalation , maximum escalation, in order to somehow try to push through putins words, like his tone at this conference, they are precisely aimed at preventing escalation, at conveying western partners, dear friends, if you choose the path of escalation, now in this trident of choice arose before you , if you choose the path of escalation, we are ready to do the same, what koraganov proposed in his article, respond to the demonstration escalation, a reciprocal demonstration of readiness to escalate, a statement of withdrawal from this treaty, this does not mean that we will test these missiles tomorrow, no, this means that we are ready to escalate too, lets see who will falter first eye, this is the meaning of putins statement, once again his tone asked your comrade. Why does putin repeat yes because yes at this moment my comrades ask, well, what did he scare them with . Well, some people called for ratification, but probably if he talks about it, he was nagging, he scared them with the fact that if the west wants to go towards nuclear war and thinks that we will take a piss, let us also take a step in that direction and see , how can the west do this, just get out of agreement, a very short answer to your question, if international agreement, if we revoke it, then it ceases to exist, and then the hands of the executive branch are not tied by anything, it can make a decision at any time, on any day, at any second, this is a demonstration of readiness for escalation, here is the wording, that is, this the answer is a demonstration of readiness for escalation, i take myself when i want, then ill press the button, the speech and discussion after that is always confidential information that putin gives out and gives out purposefully, and i agree, the eyes of western politicians twitched, one by one the simple reason that before this, antony blinken, commenting on putins possible accession, said we must , attention, we must convince putin that he is losing, that we, we, we are strong and so on, putin by his behavior he even showed that guys, well, i would put it on stage, but i dont want to, no , in short, in short, this will never happen, and he focused his attention on this several times, our attention too, western partners too, well, that is, now its likely that if it sounded like this is what you wanted, so that he warned, he did it, western partners, accordingly, now well, that is, if they did not understand, they are idiots, so, if they did not understand, they are idiots, and if they once again did not understand, being idiots, then here this is a reference, now this is a task. By the way, they already , i think so, they already understand only action and force, they have already stopped reacting to words, here is a very important point, i remind you. Began with impunity until one fell, and now they clearly fulfill our requirements for closed areas, so they are very its important, if we just said, they will watch the actions, of course, the mainstream newspapers will spread this, he is threatening us, and the politicians will look at the actions, whether they will withdraw or not, thats what they will react to, i think dept, i think everything has already been prepared , i dont know, well, i dont really understand how it all works, but as i understand it, if speaking at the valdai forum in front of the whole world, Vladimir Vladimirovich says that, well, deputies need to think about this, i think that at this someone is already there begins to think, the next question is how it will all be, well, not to mention the fact that maybe somewhere this has all already been worked out and worked out and this whole conversation, but unfortunately we have very little time, the topic of karabakh occupied beginning at the end, straight, very short, straight, very short, putins accent, when he spoke about pashiyan, everyone saw that putin was polite. Its not about politeness , its about that too, not only about politeness, the point is that putin gave an accent, this, this person was chosen by the armenian people, and what happened with karabakh, it is not russias fault, but the choice of the armenian people, he didnt directly say so as not to offend anyone, i will decipher it for him , that is, this is the choice of the armenians, this is not some western agent who came and made some kind of conspiracy against of the armenian people, no, yes, a man with a western orientation, who was chosen by the armenian people and , in general, led his country to such a fate, and russia had absolutely nothing to do with it, armenia , of course, began to pull some of the resources from ukraine, and today they 350 million will be to receive military assistance from lithuania at this moment, well, actually at the time when Vladimir Putin spoke in sochi, zelensky and pashinyan met in granada, within the framework of the new border, purely armenian villages have already been given away, partners or somewhere, and it is beneficial for the westerners that a new conflict begins there, and at the same time it is very significant that exactly at the moment when Vladimir Putin said politely that this is what the armenian people chose, emphasizing that this is not russia, exactly at this moment Nikol Pashinyan at a meeting with the eu, mind you, with germany and france on the sidelines of the summit of the european political society, he did not say in words, but signed a declaration in which he recognized the area of ​​​​azerbaijan, which includes part of the territory of armenia, and part of the territory, which includes karabakh , this is exactly what you said that the west will not tolerate, the olive tree is not there, the important point is that aliyev is not there, this suggests that the fact that all this is signed by the westerners is a conversation about the conflict doesnt end, very much yet many topics were discussed at this moment, but i think that now in the program. There is a lot of time and the most interesting and most important thing that was heard today at the valdai forum, you will see, you will hear, the program is on the first channel. Hello, the program is about the most