Elect them. Well, they try to act carefully, but nevertheless, in general, this is what it all comes down to, and even from muslims in general they try to create some kind of hostile environment, and so on, in fact, anyone, anyone who behaves independently, follows their own interests, instantly turns into an obstacle for these western elites that must be eliminated, artificial geopolitical structures are being imposed on the world, they are creating. Closed bloc formats, we see this in europe, where the impudent line of nato expansion has been pursued for decades, as well as in the asiapacific region and southern asia, where they are trying to break the open and inclusive architecture of cooperation. The bloc approach, lets call a spade a spade, is a restriction of the rights of freedom of states to their own development, an attempt to drive them. Into a cage of obligations, this is to a certain extent, well, this is an obvious thing, taking away part of the sovereignty, and then, very often, the imposition of decisions in other areas, in addition to the security sphere, and primarily in the economic sphere, well, as is happening now, relations between the United States and europe. There is no need to explain if. For this purpose, they are trying to replace International Law with an order, what kind of order, based on certain rules , what kind of rules, what kind of rules they are, who invented them is completely unclear, but this is just some kind of alien nonsense, but they are trying to introduce it into the consciousness of millions of people. You have to live by the rules, what kind of rules, and in general, if if you please, our western colleagues, especially from the usa, not only establish arbitrary rules, but also teach who should implement them and how, who should behave in general and how, all this is done and said, usually in an openly boorish form, this everything is the same manifestation of this colony of colonial thinking. All the time we hear, all the time it sounds you must, you are obliged, we are seriously warning you, who are you anyway, what right do you have to warn someone, this is simply amazing, maybe uh, for those who say this, maybe it s time for you to get rid of your arrogance, pass it on, stop leading. Yourself in relation to the world community, thus perfectly understanding its tasks, its interests its time to finally get rid of this thinking of the era of colonial rule, i would like to say, so to speak, wipe your eyes, this era has long ended and will never return again, never, ill say more, over the centuries , similar similar behavior led to the reproduction of the same thing, large wars, for the justification of which they invented various ideological, and even pseudomoral justifications. Today this is especially dangerous, humanity has the means that, as we know, can easily destroy the entire planet, and the manipulation of consciousness on an incredible scale leads to a loss of a sense of reality, from this. The vicious circle, of course, needs to be left, we need to look for some way out, as i understand it, dear friends and colleagues, you are gathering at the valdeysk site for this purpose. The concepts of Russian Foreign policy adopted this year, our country characterized as, characterized as a unique state of civilization, this formulation accurately and succinctly reflects how we understand not only our own development, but also the basic principles of the world order for victory, which we hope for. In our understanding, civilization is a multifaceted phenomenon. Certainly interpreted differently , there was also an openly colonial interpretation there is a certain civilized world that serves as a model for the rest, everyone must follow these standards, these models; those who do not agree will be driven into civilization with a bludgeon enlightened gentleman. Those days, as i just said, are over. And our understanding of civilization is completely different , firstly, there are many civilizations, and none of them is better or worse than the other, they are equal in rights as exponents of the aspirations of their cultures and traditions, their peoples. But for each of us this is different, for me, for example, this is the despair of our people , of which i was lucky enough to become a part, outstanding thinkers around the world, adherents of a civilized, civilizational approach have thought and continue to think above the concept of civilization, this is a multi component component phenomenon, without plunging into philosophical depths, this is probably not the place, not the time for such reasoning, lets try to describe it in relation to today, well, substantively, ill try to do it. The main qualities of the state of civilization, diversity and selfsufficiency, these are the two main components, in my opinion , any unification is alien to the modern world, each state and society wants to independently develop its own path of development, based on culture and traditions, strengthened in geography, historical experience, both ancient and modern, in the values of the people, this is complex a synthesis, in the process of which an original civilizational community arises, its heterogeneity, diversity is the key to sustainability and development. Over the centuries, russia has been formed as a country of different cultures, religions, nationalities; russian civilization cannot be reduced to one common denominator, but it cannot be divided either, because it exists only in its integrity, spiritual and. Cultural wealth, to maintain the strong unity of such state is not an easy task, over the centuries we have had the most difficult trials, we have always overcome them, sometimes at a very high cost, but we have always learned lessons for the future, strengthening our National Unity and the integrity of the russian state. Today this experience is truly invaluable. The world is becoming more and more diverse. Simple methods of management, brushing everyone with the same brush, as we say, what some states are used to, will not cope with all the complexity of the processes, which is very important, to add, truly effective and a strong state system cannot be imposed from the outside, it grows naturally from the civilizational roots of the countries of peoples, and russia is related to this. An example of how this happens in life, in practice, a civilizational support, a necessary condition for success in the modern world, a chaotic world, unfortunately, a dangerous one that has lost its guidelines. More and more states are coming to exactly this conclusion, realizing their own interests, needs, opportunities and limitations, their identity and the degree of interconnectedness with the environment. Peace. I am convinced that humanity is moving not towards fragmentation into competing segments, not towards a new bloc confrontation, no matter what motivates it, not towards the soulless universalism of a new globalization, on the contrary, the world is on the way to a synergy of states of civilization, large spaces, communities that recognize themselves as current, at the same time, civilization is not a universal construction, one. For everyone, this does not happen, each of them is different from the others, each is selfsufficient in cultural terms, draws its ideological and value principles from own. History in its own traditions. Respect for ourselves follows from respect, of course, for others, but what we mean is respect from others. Therefore, civilization does not impose anything on anyone, but it also does not allow anything to be imposed on itself. If everyone adheres to exactly this rule, this will ensure harmonious coexistence and creative interaction of all participants. Relations, and of course, protecting ones civilizational choice is a huge responsibility, this applies to responding to external encroachments, establishing close and constructive relationships with other civilizational communities, and most importantly maintaining internal stability and harmony, because we all see that the International Environment today, as i already said, unfortunately, is both unstable and quite aggressive, and one more thing very an important thing, your civilization, of course, cannot be betrayed to anyone, this is also the path to general chaos, it is unnatural and disgusting, i would say, for our part we have always tried and are trying to offer solutions that take into account would be the interests of everyone, but our interlocutors in the west seem to have completely forgotten that there are such concepts as reasonable self restraints, compromises, willingness to give in on something in order to achieve results acceptable to everyone, no, they are literally obsessed with only one thing pushing, pushing, pushing, and at any cost here now their interests, well, if this is their choice, lets see what comes of it. The paradox is that tomorrow the situation may change, this is the problem, for example, internal political shifts after the next elections, this is the country insists on something, pushes through his actions so that this does not happen, and tomorrow internal political changes occur, with the same pressure and unceremoniousness, something completely different is pushed through, sometimes the exact opposite, the most striking example is the Iranian Nuclear program, one administration pushed through one decision, another came, everything was turned around, everything went in the opposite direction, but how to work in such conditions . Where are the guidelines, what to rely on . Where are the guarantees . These are the very rules that we are told about . Well, its just some nonsense. Why is all this happening . Why doesnt this bother anyone . Because Strategic Thinking was replaced by following the shortterm selfish interests of not even the countries of the peoples, their successive groups, the successive groups of influence , hence the irresponsibility of the behavior of political elites, incredible by previous measures, by the former standards of the cold war, who often forgot fear and shame, considering themselves absolutely sinless, the civilizational approach resists such trends, because it. With all historical experience, heritage past, on which the idea of a harmonious future is based, if everyone is guided by this, there will, in my opinion, be much less conflict in the world, and the methods for resolving them will become much more rational, because everyone. I read with interest, dear friends, the report prepared by the valdai club for the current meeting, it says that today everyone is trying to understand, imagine an image of the future, this is completely natural and understandable, especially for the intellectual environment, changes, when the entire familiar way of life collapses, it is very important to realize where we are going, what we want to achieve, and of course, the future is being created today, not only before our eyes, with our hands, of course, when we are talking about such gigantic, incredibly complex processes, to predict the result , difficult, or almost impossible, no matter what we do, life will definitely contribute. Our own adjustments, but at least we must be aware of what we are striving for, what we want to achieve, and there is such an understanding in russia. First, we want to live in an open, interconnected world in which no one will ever try to erect artificial barriers to peoples communication, their creative realization and prosperity. There should be a barrierfree environment, thats what we should strive for. Secondly, we want the diversity of the world not just to be preserved, but to be the foundation of universal development. Imposing on any country or people how they should feel should be prohibited; only true cultural and civilizational diversity will ensure the wellbeing of people and a balance of interests. Third, we are for maximum representativeness. No one has the right, nor can anyone, rule the world for others or on behalf of others. The world of the future is a world of collective decisions made at the level at which they are most effective. And the composition of participants who are truly capable of making a significant contribution to resolving a specific problem. Not one person decides for everyone, and not everyone even decides about everything, but those who are directly affected by this or that issue agree on what and how to do. Fourth, we are for universal security and lasting peace, built on respect for the interests of everyone, from the great, large states. To small countries, the main thing is to Free International relations from the bloc approach, from the legacy of the colonial era and the cold war. We have been talking for decades about the indivisibility of security, about the fact that it is impossible to ensure the security of some at the expense of the security of others . And indeed, harmony in this area is achievable, you just need to put aside pride, arrogance and stop looking at others as partners. Secondclass, or as outcasts or savages. Fifth, we are for justice for all. The era of exploitation , no matter who it is, i have already said this twice in the past, countries and peoples are clearly aware of their interests and capabilities and are ready to rely on themselves. And this increases strength, everyone should be provided with access to the benefits of modern development and. Attempts to limit it for any country or people should be considered as an act of aggression in this way. Sixth we are for equality, for the difference in the potential of different countries, this is an absolutely objective factor, but no less objective and the fact that no one is anymore ready to obey, to make their interests and needs dependent on whoever it is, and above all on the richer or stronger. And its not just there. The state of the International Community is the quintessence of the entire historical experience of mankind. These are the principles to which we wish to adhere ourselves and to which we invite all our friends and colleagues to join. Dear colleagues, russia was, is and will be one of the foundations of the world system, ready for constructive interaction with everyone who strives for peace and prosperity, ready for tough opposition to those who profess the principles of the dictatorship of violence, we are confident that pragmatism and common sense will triumph, and a multipolar world will establish itself; in conclusion, i would like to express my gratitude to the forum organizations. As always , for thorough, highquality preparation , to all participants in the anniversary meeting, i want to say thank you for your attention, thank you very much, vladimirovich, thank you very much for such a detailed presentation of general issues, conceptual, because now indeed. In the club and in many other places, everyone is trying to understand the framework that will replace those that no longer work , we have not yet succeeded very much, we know what is no longer there, but we dont really understand what will happen, these are your points this seems to me to be the first case of such an attempt to at least very clearly lay out the principles, if i can follow up on your speech, well, of course, a very interesting part dedicated to. Civilizations and the civilizational approach, you once said, its really been a long time since , a very vivid phrase that the border. Russia is nowhere end, if russias borders do not end, then russian and russian civilization, apparently there is nothing to talk about here at all , thats how to understand this, where it is, you know, this was said for the first time in a conversation with one of the former president s of the United States, my house burned down there, it was said jokingly, of course, when he looked at the map of the Russian Federation and we all know that i want to repeat this again, russia remains the largest country in the world in terms of territory, but if we are serious, then of course , this first of all has the civilizational meaning of our compatriots, there are many living in the russian world, it has a global character, the russian language is one of the official languages of the un, in latin america, just now we met with parliamentarians, 3000 of ours live. They are everywhere in asia and in africa, in europe, of course, in north america, therefore, if we speak seriously , to repeat, then in a civilizational sense , of course, there are no borders, well, just like there are no borders of all other civilizations, well, take india or china, well how many representatives china lives in other countries of the world, how many representatives of india. In other countries of the world, it all intersects , interacts with each other, it is very good if this interaction is natural and friendly, aimed at strengthening this state, that is, civilization for you its not the territory, but the people, yes, of course, first of all its the people, because ours, there will probably be a lot of questions about ukraine now, our actions are for that. Donbass is primarily dictated and mainly to protect the people. This is the whole meaning of our actions. And in this case, you can characterize the special military operation as a civilizational conflict. You said this is not a territorial conflict . Well , first of all, i dont know what kind of civilization is being defended by those who are on the other side of the front line , but we are defending. Uh, their traditions , their culture, their people, well, just since we immediately moved on to ukraine, today, in my opinion, a big european event is starting in spain, vladimir went there zelensky, and a number of other important people, and the issue of continuing support for ukraine is being discussed, now, as we know, in the United States some replacement has occurred due to the crisis in congress. Therefore , it seems to me that in europe they felt that they would have to take on the financing themselves. Do you think they will be able to cope and what do we expect from this . Well, we are waiting for manifestations of at least some sprouts of common sense, as for whether they can cope or not, we need to ask them, but of course, they will cope, what i dont see any problems, the problem is to expand production. To increase the amount of money that goes to the war and prolongs this conflict, but of course there are problems, they are understandable for this audience, it seems to me, and these problems are known, if in the usa, as you said, there is a hitch, it is more likely technical in nature, but politics is technically technical, so to speak, and which is that there are problems with the budget, a large debt load, the budget needs to be balanced, the question is at what expense or at the expense of supplies of weapons to ukraine to reduce budget expenditures, either by cutting social expenditures, but no one wants to cut social expenditures, especially, especially in this case, well, the position of the opposition parties, the Opposition Party in this case, is strengthening, that s all, but in the end , they will probably find the money and print more , they printed more than nine trillion dollars during the postcovid period, so printing Something Else and scattering it all over the world, increasing food inflation, is nothing for them its worth it, theyll do it for sure, as for. As for europe, the situation here is more complicated , because if in the usa we still observe Economic Growth, over the previous period, at 2. 4 of gdp, then in europe the situation is much worse , there over the past, last twentyfirst year, or rather, Economic Growth was 4. 9 , this year it will be 0. 5, and then only due to the southern countries, due to italy and spain, which showed significant growth, we yesterday we talked about this with experts, with our people there , i think that. Spain first of all is associated with rising real estate prices with a certain rise in the tourism sector, and in the main economies of europe there is stagnation, there is a minus in all industries, in the federal republic 01, in the baltic countries there is 2 3 even, in estonia, in my opinion, minus, well, holland in austria is everywhere a minus and a big minus in the field of industrial production, there, well, if not a disaster, then a very difficult situation, in the sphere of real production, especially in the chemical industry, in the larch industry, in the metallurgical industry, well, we know that due to the cheapness, but relatively cheap Energy Resources in the United States and some decisions of an administrative and financial nature, many production facilities from europe simply move to the United States, close in europe and move to the United States, this is well known, this is what i hinted, speaking here from this podium, that the burden on the population of European Countries is growing, this is also an obvious thing, this is data from the european statistics itself, the standard of living has been falling recently. He has reduced in recent months it has decreased, in my opinion, by 5 , by one and a half, by 15 , yes, thats why yes, europe may or may not, maybe due to what, due to, uh, due to the deterioration of the further deterioration of its economy and life of citizens of European Countries. Well , our budget is also not rubbery, we can handle it, unlike them, we can handle it for now. I have reason to believe that we will cope in the future, in the Third Quarter of this year we had a surplus of over 660 billion rubles, this is the first, second, we ultimately, according to the results of the year there will be a certain deficit, well , somewhere in the region of 1 , for the coming years, twenty four, twentyfive, somewhere. We expect that the deficit will be somewhere in the region of this 1 . We have record low unemployment, 3 has been established, stabilized, and what is very important, this is a key point, maybe we will return to this again, but i think this is an important, fundamental, fundamental phenomenon in our economy, which naturally began. Economics, because what we used to get from European Countries was imports, they closed a lot for us, and we, just like in 2014, having introduced certain restrictions on the purchase of western european, primarily agricultural goods, were forced to invest money in the development of Agricultural Production within the country, but inflation jumped, but then. Ensured that our producers increased their production speed of the goods we need, and today you know, we provide ourselves fully with all the main agricultural products, completely with the main types of food, the same thing is now happening in the sphere real production in industry, and the main growth is coming from the manufacturing industries; oil and gas revenues have fallen, but they also provide a plus of 3 . This is electronics, we need to do a lot in the field of microelectronics, we are really still at the beginning of our journey, but it is already growing, everything together gives 43 . Transport engineering is growing, and so on and so forth, in general, we have a stable, stable situation, we have overcome all the problems that arose after the introduction of sanctions against us. Started the next stage of development on a new basis, which is extremely it is important, it is very, very important for us to maintain this trend, not to miss it, we have problems, including those related to the labor shortage, yes, but this is followed by some other issues, but we are growing, growing and real disposable incomes of the population are growing, if only in europe. They fell, ours grew by more than 12 . Here there are problems associated with inflation, it has grown here, now its 5. 7 , yes, well, the central bank, the government are taking concerted measures to level out these possible negative consequences. You mentioned the structural restructuring that is taking place, some opponents will say that this is the militarization of the economy, right means, look, our defense spending has increased, but not just for defense, for defense and security, they have approximately doubled, up to somewhere around 3 , now they are about six, for defense and security, but at the same time, i want to emphasize this, i have already said, i have to repeat, we have a Budget Surplus in the Third Quarter of over 660 billion rubles, this. Year there will be a deficit , but only 1 , this is a completely healthy budget and a healthy economy, so to say that we are spending excessively, a lot of money on guns and have forgotten about butter, this is not true, i want to emphasize that everything, namely all the previously announced development plans, the achievement of strategic goals, all the social obligations taken by the state by the population are all being fully implemented. Thank you, this is good news. Vladimir vladimirovich, in addition to the conflict in ukraine, to which we will certainly return more than once, literally in the last few days, weeks, events in the southern caucasus, the chairman of the european council, charles michel, did not give, as he said yesterday in an interview, russia betrayed the armenian people, who said. Michiel, president of the european council, yes, you know, our people say , whose mare mooed, your silent, cow, mare, it doesnt matter, an animal, in short, some kind of thing, that means, uh, thats all, i interrupted you, sorry , no, please, i, you understand what was happening, what happened most recently, uh, thats what. But after wellknown events and the collapse of the soviet union, we know that there was a conflict, ethnic clashes began between armenians and azerbaijanis, they began in the city of sumgait, then they would spread to karabakh, all this led to the fact that armenia , not karabakh, armenia, actually put the whole of karabakh under its control seven adjacent territories, a region of azerbaijan, this, in my opinion, is almost 20 of the territory of the azerbaijani republic , all this lasted for many decades, i must say that i will not reveal any secret here, we have been there many times over the years 15, the latter were offered to our armenian friends to make compromises, what kind . To return to azerbaijan the five districts around karabakh for themselves and thus maintain the territorial connection between armenia and karabakh, but our karabakh friends , time after time, told us, no, this will create certain threats for us, we, in turn, said, listen , well , azerbaijan is growing, the economy is developing, it is an oil and Gas Producing country, there are already over 10 Million People there, lets. Compare the potentials while there is such an opportunity, we need to find this compromise, we, for our part, are confident, we will make an appropriate decision within the framework of the Un Security Council, we will guarantee the security of this naturally emerging lochin corridor between armenia and karabakh, we will guarantee the safety of the armenians living in this territory, but no, we were told, no, we we wont go for it, but what will you do, well fight, oh well, things eventually came to armed clashes in 1920. And then i also suggested to our friends and colleagues, by the way, too president aliyev will probably not be offended by me, but at some point an agreement was reached that the azerbaijani troops would stop, i honestly thought that the issue had been resolved, i called yerevan and suddenly heard, no, let them they are leaving. That insignificant part, which means karabakh, where the azerbaijani troops entered, well, thats it, i say, listen, what will you do, again the same phrase, we will fight, well, listen, they will leave now in a few days to the rear of your fortifications in the okdam area and everything will end, you you see, yes, what will you do, we will fight, oh well. Well, that means everything turned out the way it turned out, in the end, we agreed with azerbaijan that after reaching the shusha line, in shusha itself, the fighting would be stopped, a corresponding statement was signed in november 2020, about the suspension military operations on the deployment of peacekeepers, here is the next very important point, the legal status of our peacekeepers is based solely on this statement, dated november 2020, no status peacekeepers never emerged, well, now i wont say why, azerbaijan believed that there was no need for this, and signing without azerbaijan was pointless, so the entire status was based, i repeat, solely on the statement of november 2020, and the rights of peacekeepers consisted of only one thing, to monitor compliance with the ceasefire, thats all, our peacekeepers had no other rights there, well, no, only monitoring the cessation of the regime the ceasefire, everything, well, such, such a precarious state, it lasted for a certain time, now you mentioned the chairman of the european council, mr. Michel, whom i respect, in prague, that means, in prague in the fall of 2020, 22 years, uh, under the auspices of mr. Michel, then french president macron and mr. Scholz, chancellor of the federal republic of germany, gathered and the leaders of armenia and azerbaijan, and there they signed a statement, you know, a statement from which it follows that armenia recognized part of karabakh. Republic of azerbaijan. Moreover, the leaders of the delegation, the leaders of armenia , directly named the territory of azerbaijan in square kilometers, which certainly includes karabakh. And they emphasized that they recognize the sovereignty of azerbaijan within the framework of the azerbaijani ussr, which at one time was part of the village. The ussr, and as you know, karabakh was also part of the azerbaijani ussr, that is, in essence, the main, absolutely key issue was resolved, which was the status of karabakh, when karabakh declared its independence, no one recognized this independence, not even armenia, which to be honest, its strange for me, but. That was the decision, they didnt recognize independence karabakh, but here in prague, they recognized that karabakh belongs to azerbaijan, and then at the beginning of twenty three they repeated the same thing a second time at a similar meeting in brussels, but you know, this is between us, although this is probably no longer suitable between us, but nevertheless, but if they came by the way, no one said anything about it, i personally learned this from the press, but azerbaijan has always believed that karabakh is part of its territory, but having determined the status of karabakh as a part of azerbaijan, armenia, well, did so quality changes in his position, after that, at one of the meetings, president aliyev came up to me and said, well, you see, everyone recognized that karabakh is ours, your peacekeepers there are located on our territory, you see, even the status of our peacekeepers has undergone a qualitative decline changes after. Karabakh as part of azerbaijan, he says your military is on our territory, lets now agree on their status on a bilateral basis. Well, Prime Minister pashinyan confirmed, yes, you now need to negotiate on a bilateral basis. That is, karabakh is gone, you can say whatever you want about this status, but it was. Question, the status of karabakh, everything revolved around this over the previous decades, how and when, who and where will determine the status, everything, armenia decided it, karabakh officially became part of azerbaijan, this is the position of the modern armenian state, well, what do we care what should we do, thats all that happened in the recent past , two or three weeks ago, and the blocking of the etochi corridor and so on, all this was inevitable after the recognition of azerbaijans sovereignty over karabakh, it was only a matter of time when and in what way azerbaijan would establish Constitutional Order there within the framework of the constitution of the azerbaijani state, but what can you say . But how should we react to this . Armenia has already recognized it, but what should we do . No, but we dont admit it, nonsense, thats right, some kind of nonsense, i wont tell you now, i think its incorrect about the nuances of our discussions, but, but what happened, in the last days or in recent weeks, but it was inevitable. A consequence of what was done in prague in brussels, so mr. Michel and his colleagues should have thought then, when they were persuading, apparently, apparently, i dont know, we need to ask them themselves, uh, somewhere behind the scenes, behind the scenes, persuaded the Prime Minister of armenia, mr. Pashinyan, so to take such a step, we should all think together about the fate the armenians of karabakh should somehow, well, at least write something down, about what and how they expects in this in this situation, some kind of order, the integration of karabakh into the azerbaijani state, some kind of order related to ensuring their security and respecting their rights, but there is nothing of this there , there is only a statement that karabakh is part of azerbaijan. Everything, and what should we do . If armenia itself decided so, what should we do . So, what did we do . We used everything we had in the steam sense, in order to provide, well, the humanitarian component, as you know, people there died, by the way, defending. Karabakh, our peacekeepers, we provided them with humanitarian assistance, provided medical assistance, ensured their exit, and if we go back again to our european, socalled colleagues, yes, but at least now they provide humanitarian assistance, let them send those unfortunate people there to support them, i cant say otherwise, those who. Who came from their native lands from nagornokarabakh, well, it seems to me that they will do this, but in general, by and large , of course, you need to think about their fate in the long term, well, what about russia . Ready to support people, and i just said, we supported them, we have people there, those who left, we have people there who died, protecting them, covering them with ourselves, providing humanitarian. Support, because we have on ours, in the center of our peacekeepers, all the refugees came there, under the protection of our peacekeepers, thousands gathered there, women came there. And children mostly, well, and so, we, of course, are already ready to provide this, armenia does not cease to be our allies, if there are humanitarian issues there, they exist, humanitarian issues, we of course have them, we are ready and will discuss, and are ready to provide support to help these people, this goes without saying, but i just told you now how events developed, well, briefly, but in general i said the main thing, one nuance in this regard, now the azerbaijani leadership very harshly purges those who served in karabakh, the leaders, and there are various people there, including those who are well known in russia, like rubyan vardan, for example, we can, he renounced our citizenship, he refused, but he was , we can somehow call on the azerbaijani leadership to show, i dont know, mercy, we have always done this, now we are doing it, i spoke, as you know, on the phone with president aliyev, well, before we talked about how nothing would happen there, and he he kept assuring me that no matter what happens, he will ensure the safety and rights of the armenian population of nagorno karabakh, but now there are no armenians left there, everyone has left, you know that everyone has left, there are simply no armenians there, well, maybe a thousand and a half, thats it, thats it, theres just no one there, uh, but as for the former leaders, i dont know, i dont want to go into details , well, as i understand it, they especially want to see them in yerevan, but i proceed from the fact that the leadership of azerbaijan will still proceed from this in the event that all territorial issues for azerbaijan have been resolved, it will still be based on considerations of a humanitarian nature, thank you, colleagues, please, please, if you would like to ask questions, here is fen shavlei, and fen professor fen shavlei, one of ours veterans, thank you very much, university eastern china, shanghai. Dear mr. President , i am very glad to see you again. Uh, the october international conference, its theme, dedicated to the tenth anniversary of the initiative, the road and the train, will be held in beijing. And at the same time, this is almost an initiative to connect the Eurasian Partnership with the train initiatives that you and the president determined, but my question is the same, in the new situation, what new ideas and what specific proposals will you make later. Thank you, we have repeatedly we are really returning to this topic, and some even tried, are trying to sow doubts that our eurasian, our eurasian project, the development of the eurasian union, the economic and initiative of the chairman, one train, one track, they may not coincide and interests may interfere into some kind of Competition Among themselves, this is not so, i have already spoken about this many times, on the contrary, we believe that one project harmoniously complements the other, because what is happening in relation to china, in relation to russia, but in relation to russia more least today, in relation to china, long before the start of the events in ukraine , some. Partners, we know who exactly, began to introduce various kinds of sanctions, these some moments turned, even, all this turned into some kind of Something Like a trade war between china and the United States and restrictions were introduced, including those related to logistics, we are interested in establishing new logistics routes, and china is also interested, it is growing. Excuse me, the volume of trade turnover is growing, here we are now were talking about northsouth corridors, china is building some routes there through the Central Asian states, in order to support this, we are building appropriate roads and railways, all this is the subject of our negotiations, this is firstly, secondly, all this is complemented in what is called the sphere of real production, we supply the necessary goods to the people s republic of china, china supplies us with the goods we need, and we build chains, production chains that certainly fit into the goals that the chairman set before the chinese economy, the economy fits into our Development Tasks , especially in the modern world, the development of our economy and partnerships with other countries, this clearly complements each other, i will not list specific projects now, there are enough of them, and between china and russia including, here we. Have built, you know, we have other plans of a logistics nature, we are developing relations, as i already said, in the field of real production, all this together will be the subject of our bilateral contacts and negotiations within the framework of the multilateral format, this is a large, very, very capacious capitalintensive work, and i want to emphasize once again, i want to emphasize this uh , to emphasize this, all this work was in no way and never built against anyone, it has a creative beginning aimed exclusively at achieving a positive result, both for us, russia and china, and for our partners around the world. Thank you, uh, so, uh, richard, sakwa. You talked about changes in International Politics, the emergence of sovereign states, who defend themselves, they are autonomous actors in International Politics, this is indeed happening, this is happening within the framework of brix, a few months ago there was a meeting also in the sco. Thus the world is changing, International Politics is changing, the state is changing. Postcolonial states are changing. And now these states have made it clear that they want to actively participate in the International Community. However, International Politics is formed within the framework of a system that was created in 1940 within the un. You see no contradiction between changes in International Politics. And the paralysis of the Un International system. How can russia help overcome this so that it works better, how to resolve contradictions in International Politics in a more peaceful way, so that they are directed into the future . You are certainly right; there are certain contradictions between the framework that was created by the victorious countries in world war ii. In 1945 and the changed conditions in the world, today, forty fifth year one situation in the world, today the day is completely different, and of course, uh, of course, these legal norms, they must change in accordance with the changing world, and here we can approach this differently, we can say that the un and modern International Law, which is built on the basis of the charter the United Nations organizations are outdated and subject to demolition, and it is necessary to create something new, but here, of course, there is a danger that we. Will eliminate the existing system of international rules, namely the real rules of International Law on the basis of the un charter, and nothing new has yet been created and will not be created, there will simply be general chaos , it already takes place, its elements have a place to be, but if the un charter is completely thrown into the dustbin of history without replacing it with anything, then chaos is inevitable and can lead to very serious consequences. Therefore, i believe that we must follow the path of changes in International Law in accordance with the requirements of today with the changing situation in the world. In this sense, of course, the Un Security Council should include countries that acquire significant weight in International Affairs and simply by virtue of their potential have the opportunity to influence the resolution of Key International issues, which countries are these . Well, this is india, in my opinion the population is already more than seven percent, Economic Growth is, in my opinion, 7. 4 or 7. 6 , but it is a global giant, yes, there are still a lot of people there who need help, in support, but nevertheless, it means that hightech exports there are growing at a gigantic, gigantic pace, because it is a powerful country. It is becoming more powerful year after year under the leadership of the Prime Minister modi, or brazil in latin america, the population is huge, the growth of influence is colossal, south africa, well, how can we not take into account their influence in the world, which means their weight in making key decisions on the International Agenda should increase, but of course, this must be done in this way, so that a consensus is reached on these changes, so that it does not destroy, this is a complex issue, does not destroy the existing International Legal regime, this is a complex process, but in my opinion, we need to go exactly in this direction, along this path, that is, do you think that the existing the International Legal regime exists, it has not been destroyed yet, well, its certainly not completely destroyed , and you understand whats the matter, lets remember the very, very first years of the existence of the un, as our soviet minister of foreign affairs, mr. Gromyk, was called then. They called mr. No, why . Because there were a lot of contradictions, and the soviet union very often used its right of veto, but it had meaning and significance, it did not lead to conflicts. In our recent history, we have very often heard from the outside western leaders that the un system is outdated, it does not meet the needs of today, especially this. Began to be heard when , during the yugoslav crisis, when, without any sanctions from the Un Security Council, the United States and its allies began to bomb belgrade, mercilessly and fearlessly, we even got to the embassy of the peoples republic of china in belgrade, where this is International Law, no , they said, there is no International Law of this kind, which was not needed, it was outdated, why, because they wanted to act, well without regard to this. International law, then, when russia began to take some actions, they said , how can this be, its a disgrace, russia is violating International Law, the charter of the uon, but, unfortunately, there have always been attempts to adjust this International Law to suit itself, this is good, this or its bad , its very bad, but at least something exists that is a guide, my only concern is what if it even exists. Swept into the basket, put away, but then there wont even be any guidelines, so it seems to me that we need to follow the path of permanent gradual changes, but it must be done