I grew up with from the beatles, the purple. Well, i can listen to modern music, but its difficult, of course, its all packed into you, why . We, when we get older, we become so rigid, settle into some kind of image, when a person over 40 years old allows himself to go from extreme to extreme, because i understand, if you were an accountant and you were drawn to the bike, then the resuscitator would be upset because of the gnat in the fire, listen, well, i dont know, i dont think so, that i am an exception, i have my colleague, my friend, he is the head of the department of anesthesiology in one of the hospitals, he is a little older than me, but 5 years ago he became interested in parachuting, for example, well, about the same, about the same , and there are now already 200 jumps and now he is no longer hes just jumping with a parachute, in a special suit, you know, a flying squirrel, so i dont think that im an exception in this situation, but how did the family react . For this hobby, calmly, they already took their daughter for a ride, i took my daughter for a ride, yes, she graduated from school not so long ago, yes, and where did she go, she studies in ronkhix, at the cool faculty, the hospitality department, no, she didnt, in fact, go to in many ways, i think, uh, this is a very conscious decision that was born during the pandemic, because, well, in principle, doctors they always devote a lot of time to their work. A lot, we generally just disappeared from the radar of our families and were completely immersed, she very wisely said that dad, you know, in general , i would probably like to live for myself and for my family, they accepted it normally, so the heart didnt tingle when, no, absolutely , absolutely didnt tingle, and i think it s very important that the child comes to something on his own, doesnt follow some path there. Have you come to moscow to go to college . Yes, i transferred, i transferred in my first year, you were born in turkmenistan, you were born in shahbad, and a completely different culture, a completely different country, in which it was difficult for you to rebuild some, you know, manner of communication, some way of life, some conventions, when you came from ashgabat to moscow, there were no difficulties at all, what other country, born in 1975. Until the nineties, the soviet union, the same training programs, the same state russian language, there was no discomfort at all, a fairly strong medical school, which developed due to the fact that during the great patriotic war, the Second World War there was a large, large evacuation and a large number of Teaching Staff from moscow st. Petersburg medical universities were forced to move, evacuated there and many stayed there, because in general it was warm, fruits and so on , so i didnt have any problems with adaptation , i transferred to moscow in 1992, so there werent any problems at all, they say that, well, it is believed that renematologists are such forced cynics of a misanthrope, this a fair generalization, i think not, its more likely. Such a mask reaction, because you cant die with every patient, but you have to ask the question every time, have you done everything for yourself, these are two big differences, so its most likely cynicism, in general, there are some medical jokes, its still more of an illusion than the truth, after all, how do you live or close some for yourself, only with a detailed discussion, a mandatory team debriefing, guys, lets see where, where what, where what, where what, where, whats wrong, its not just us who do this, its done in everything. In the world there is a special one in every hospital , well, here we have it, its called a subcommittee for the study of fatalities, but there in the west its called, uh, a commission for studying fatalities too, is this the usual approach, an atheist . But why . I think, in fact, we probably need to return to the message of childhood, perhaps, by the way, never say never, perhaps i will someday come to some kind of religion, which one, but still historically this has always been laid down since childhood, in my childhood i was taught completely different values , at school, the pioneers, komsomol, atheism, in fact, i grew up with this, i probably havent come to this yet, and maybe i wont come, so im absolutely materialistic and agnostic, yes, how do you still relax, how is your weekend going . I dont know, sometimes you manage to go to the movies, very rarely to the theater , i think thats how life is, life is like everyone elses , communication with friends, family, parents, but how do you feel about an affair at work . Well, between colleagues, young doctors, you generally encourage this when they work in the same department and immediately get married, have children, it turns out that its wonderful, family, continuation of work, work. This is great, because you are on a daily schedule, a couple more times in the way that a young doctor lives, this is every day there from 7 to 5 at work, if for a week you stay overnight, that is, you leave for 32 hours, and it turns out that your society is your hospital, your department and the number of relationships, marriages, uh, its in all hospitals, it seems to me, quite big, and i think its great, if its not harmful , that is, you want to marry a doctor, that you cant go to the hospital, just become a doctor, become a doctor, it turns out that way, by the way, at some point you just suddenly you lost weight and it was clear that this was exactly your task, that is, you didnt just lose weight, because there was a lot of work, but what kind of work was it . What was the motivation, what was it, the motivation was very simple, the fact that this happened in medical terms was called obesity, and then everything was very simple, evidencebased medicine, you open, first, second, third, i was in the third decisionmaking phase, i accepted it, went through treatment, lost weight, but how and how did you lose weight, tell me what special diet or program you had there no, no , i dont hide it. This is bariatrics, this is a surgical intervention, lets just clarify for the audience that bariatrics is truncation, well, actually yes, this is a change, not only truncations, there are now a lot of types of interventions that are indicated for different situations, well, yes, the stomach becomes smaller, stomach shrinkage, and other techniques, you want to retire, well, such a good, healthy pension, active, no, just work a little for now. I can already leave because of my length of service, but for now i want to work, and if it happens, god forbid, another shock like a pandemic or some other misfortune, again these are temporary hospitals, again work 24 7, in our team, i have only a few people in my memory who left, on the contrary, everyone strived, everyone supported each other, uh, everyone was aware risk, uh, and i think that everything will be about the same, maybe only in a new story, i wouldnt like the Media Exposure that i had, to be honest, close down and do my own thing, yes, yes, go on vacation youll go, where, where, the coolest thrill of a motorcycle, you know, in what, in what, wherever you want in the fact that you sat down and wherever you want, went, well, i dont know, a couple of weeks ago to a conference in st. Petersburg on motorcycles with one from anesthesiologists, resuscitators, lets go, in general it is very difficult, but somewhere to sit down to go into the sunset . Well then i can only i wish you a very cool, driving, beautiful straight line, just not at sunset, probably at sunrise after all, because after any sunset comes sunrise, and you ve probably shown this many times in your life, friends, this was the first podcast person, of course, the first person in such intensive medicine, in every sense of intensive medicine, doctor of medical sciences, hero of labor, anesthesiologist, resuscitator, doctor denis nikolaevichko. And me, natalya losyeva. Hello, im still dmitry bak, i still host a literary podcast with a very with a memorable name, let them not say it, let them read it. Todays episode is very special because this year we are celebrating an anniversary. The wonderful poet Rasul Gamzatov, its hard to say, he is a russian, avar, dagestan, soviet poet, he is a poet of the planet, i am convinced of this, that is why we decided to talk about Rasul Gamzatov in the anniversary year, that is why there are wonderful, important people among our guests , first of all, of course, this is the daughter of Rasul Gamzatov, salekhat rasulovna gamzatova, director of the Dagestan Museum of fine arts arts, also our guest today is the actor of the moscow theater named after Nikolai Vasilyevich gogol, anatoly prosalov. Hello, anatoly. Hello, lets start with alikha tarasovna, and i know that the very name of our podcast has something to do with Rasul Gamzatov, right . Yes, well, when i read it, let them not say it. Reading, i remembered that i had such an incident with my dad, on his eightieth birthday, they showed films about him and i saw him, he somehow passed, and he didnt really like it, and then schoolchildren came and read his poems, and i saw that he was very touched, and i was somehow surprised and asked him that dad , why did you, when the films were shown, somehow you didnt really like it, but when they read it, you. Were touched , he said, why show me, let them read, so its almost , almost a quote, lets assume that our podcast is named after a quote from Rasul Gamzatov, which is honorable, pleasant, wonderful, well, of course, you will gain absolutely invaluable experience, because you grew up in a family of wonderful artists, creators, and i would like to first hear your story about grandfather, about hamzade tsadas. Hamzad tsadasa, the absolutely legendary dagestan poet, cultural figure, have you been told about him, who is this for you . Of course, for me, hamzad tsadasa is, first of all, a grandfather, but when i was born, he was no longer alive, he died , but thats why i perceive him so indirectly, but i always saw him, firstly, as a dad. With Great Respect spoke about his father and his dad has a very interesting poem, well, if you translate it from poetic to poetic, so to speak, he seems to hear that when his father is not there, he asks the question is, who should i now be afraid of, who should i obey, and its as if they hear the voice of the mother, who is also no longer alive, that you just fear him to the end of your years and just obey him, that is, this. For him, a father is such here is the criterion of what one should be, and dad was a very devoted son, he was not obedient, they told him there, well, there is his sister, then it is applied that he, so to speak, was not a good helper in the house, but he was a very devoted son, and they even told such a story that when he was little, my grandfather went, well, not far from our village from the garden in khunza, sadasa, so because yes because healing yes aul of the garden, i even know the name caucasian from the garden caucasian from the garden in the garden so little dad always went to meet him and one winter somehow my grandfather was delayed and my dad was sitting waiting for him and he was even frozen and so to speak, my future other grandfather, my mothers father , he was walking and saw this frozen child, he took it from there, it all started, theres probably some kind of connection, hes doing very well soninlaw, i just want to say, i thought, this is how a little boy sits, waits, and he gradually falls asleep, but he doesnt go home, where its warm, so he wants to wait for his dad, yes, its so touching, thats how since we see gamzadas and. His wife and your grandmother, i think this is a great photo, look at the faces, well, he looks like a grandfather. A very attractive person, he was such a real mountaineer, always fit, slender, and in general there are a lot of really such memories about him, not legends, he lived most of the time, but then he was given an apartment, on the main street of makhachkala, then it was lenin avenue, now it is Rasul Gamzatov avenue almost next to the square, and where the Government House was supposed to be, there was then a market and the grandfather of so many people who came to makhachkala and had nowhere to live, to spend the night, he, according to such a mountain tradition, invited a special cult guest to his place, yes, that is, any person who enters, you know, well then there were people who, well, some of their own they accept relatives, but just nearby people who found themselves like this, without shelter, probably, probably, after all, not everyone took them home, but my grandfather was such a person, he was left an orphan at an early age and was brought up in the house of his uncle, an arabist, and maybe maybe thats why, as if seeing life not from the inside out, this is how it can be, thats why he followed this highlanders code so very much. This is also a very important story, now its time to talk about the museum that you head, this is the Dagestan Museum of fine arts, named after patimat, gamzatova, well, here we see Rasul Gamzatovich, and we also have a photograph of the gamzatovs, your mother and father, this is a wonderful photo, these are cheerful, i even remember how it was taken at our house, well, this is our very famous one. Photographer, kamil chutuev and he took some photographs, then he asked dad to go up the hill, then he said, i dont even remember. This kamil chutuev or dad said lets go to the party, she was in the kitchen, come and lets take off under the burka , she also laughed like that from the burka, the burka is very big, yes, yes, but it swings open, it swings open, and he said just like that, lets do it like this, go to the selection, but its absolutely not a staged photo, i must say, dad had such artistry, he was very skillful its funny to play up the situation, and he called her like that, and she was already here when he was filming it. And we didnt even think that this would be printed somewhere, it fits so well, a hat, a burka and a tie, you dont even notice it right away, but its very harmonious, but the most important thing is that these people are happy, because patimat saidovna, of course, is the muse of Rasul Gamzatovich, not only the wife, but also the muse, the inspirer, of his poems, and the museum was created by her, yes, this is her brainchild, this is an interesting story, which means that we had a regional museum, in the fiftyeighth year they accepted a resolution to create an art museum, because by that time there were already many artists ; in the thirties, a large collection of russian western european art, including paintings, was transferred to the kroevsky museum, and in 1958 the museum of fine arts was opened, and strangely enough, although this is such a seemingly beautiful organization, but before 64. There were these people, but i know that they really didnt want to be involved in museums, i dont know who was replaced, and as if there was no person who would like to do this , and my mother went there, she turned out to be a very good leader, she herself said that when she came , that money was allocated for the purchase of exhibits, they were written off for nonuse, that no matter how they were not engaged in this collecting activity, well, of course, friendship developed among us all the collections of decorative and applied art are very very good, very good, how many Storage Units, ill tell you the items of the museums collection, as a manor, we have about 19 in total, now there are 1900 thousand. Units, well, well, when my mother died there were 16 with what yes, well, only silver, here we have 7,000 Storage Units, precious metals, this is a special storage regime, yes, you and i know how we are things, 7,000 Storage Units, well, these 7,000 Storage Units were collected under her , great, we mentioned that today we will listen to poems performed by anatoly prosalova, this hour has come, and now we will listen to a poem that is dedicated to the mother, it is called mother, because for Rasul Gamzatov and in general for people from the caucasus, mother is. Something absolutely sacred. So, the mothers poem is read by anatoly prosalov. Mountain boy, i had a reputation for being unbearable and unhearing among my family , and with the stubbornness of adults i rejected all your instructions, but as the years passed, being involved in them, i was not timid in the face of fate, but now i often slave like a little one. In front of you, here we are alone in the house today, im in pain i dont melt my heart, i bow my palms on yours, my gray head, im bitter, mom, sad, mom , im a prisoner of stupid vanity, and you felt so little attention from me in your life, im spinning on a noisy carousel, rushing somewhere, but suddenly again my heart will clench, have i really begun to forget my mother, and you with love, not with reproach, looking anxiously at me , sigh, as if softly, secretly dropping a tear, a star sparkling in the sky, flies on its final flight, your boy is in the palm of your hand, he lays down his gray head, he will probably ask you, well, how is this so it turned out that you began to read Rasul Gamzatovs poems professionally, what happened to you when you started reading Rasul Gamzatovs poems, what were you interested in about translators, well, in general, tell us a little, this is terribly curious, as if from the other end, not from the family , yes, not from dagestan, from your side, it seems to me that like most, lets say, soviet children, cranes, because i, the grandson of frontline soldiers, my grandfathers fought, my grandmother was taken to a labor camp, and the theme of the great patriotic war, she is very special to our family is close, thats why the song of the cranes, its been with, since childhood, it sounds, always when you hear it, tears well up, well , you know the song, but even as a child you dont understand who the author is, you dont show interest in it, and already interest in Rasul Gamzatov and. The realization that the song was written based on the poems of Rasul Gamzatov, i learned this in high school, when next to the school in my native lugansk, in the park on the grave of the unknown soldier , a monument to cranes was erected, and there is a quote, there and there quote, there is a Red Army Soldier turning into cranes, very touching a monument, and there is a quote, they didnt once die in the ground, but turned into white cranes , so i even say and this melody sounds inside , these words sound, you remember them, you probably know the most famous lines of Rasul Gamzatov and maybe , well, they have absorbed a lot of meanings, its not even literature, because thats right, its something more than literature, its already a part of each of us, its inside, so without this victory holiday, in makhachkala in dagestan there was, in makhachkala, heres an amazing story, in 2010 we were with the gogol theater on tour, and already saw the erected monument, and the taxi driver who was taking us, he boasted and said that Rasul Gamzatov, our famous poet, avarsky and lenin avenue were renamed in his honor, which is absolutely fair, and wow, how interesting. At the end of the tour, the administration of makhachkala gave us, all the participants, the actors of the theater a gift, it was a collection of poems, and then you began to read, then i read the collection for the first time, already looked, selected some things for myself, thinking that maybe maybe someday ill read them somewhere from the stage, actually, almost 13 years later, its great, a good story is true, the most incomprehensible thing in this world is that it is comprehensible, an ardent desire to see the true and most complete picture, this is the reason for a persons desire for new knowledge, and if we collect all the available facts , then any phenomenon in the universe can be explained, on the path to understanding the world, it is very important to continue asking questions and finding answers to them, as they do. For many years in the intellectual club, what, where, when, autumn series of games, tomorrow, after the program, the time is always on 1tv. 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I remind you that i am dmitry bak, and here now is a literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read. Please tell me about your travels. In dagestan, around the country, around the soviet union then, around the world , they somehow responded to the family, he brought gifts , told something, where he had been, who he liked to meet, because well, his fame had grown, he didnt tell the children told me, here well, my mother also didnt tell me when they met with adults, but i remember that almost my entire childhood. We were just waiting for our parents to leave somewhere, come, come back and get bored, and i even remember this story, my sister told me that. She had a classmate who was so sad, my mother said something i left for 3 days, so im crying, im thinking to my dad, why is he crying, that i need to break the fast, but you often have a dad and nothing is fine, yes, i remember, even once my mother came back and said, im telling you, they scolded me school that you are mine, my diary is not signed, she signed me 2 months in advance for another month, this is wonderful, you can get bad marks, just kidding, here is a wonderful photo of the gamzatov family and here are three sisters, yes, yes, you can see it again, that these are happy people, maybe tell me about your sisters, where are you, well, here i am in my mothers arms, next to my older sister, heres my middle sister, just a classmate who was crying, and you didnt understand why she was crying, like chekhov, three sisters, yes, yes, lets now, according to tradition, move on to the authors section, in this section we either read something from the classics of the 21st century, or comment on some poems, also classics, or show books. This section is called an old book, well, its somehow not very correct to talk about gamzatov as about old books, these are living books that are with us, but still they were published a long time ago, here in my hands are three collections, Rasul Gamzatov, just from my bookshelf, like all this. Here is one of them this is a book that was published by the soviet russia publishing house, and the star speaks with the star, and for those who know poetry, it is clear that 64 is the year of the sixties, this is the year of the popularity of andrei voznesensky, white akhmadulina, evgenia ftushenko, it is very important that in the sixtyfourth year, in the same series, a book by Rasul Gamzatov was published, and this is a very important fact, it means that it is already in the frame not only of avar and dagestan literature, but also in russian literature, the second book that i would like to show is a book that was published in a series of collections that designated high prizes for this book of poetry. High stars, its called, stars again, by the way, i just realized this, high stars, the book is published by a soviet writer, it came out a little later, a few years after the first one, but this is already a book by a lenin prize laureate, that is, several years pass and Rasul Gamzatov becomes such a recognized poet, a classic during his lifetime, one might say, if i may, i want to add that after all , gamzatov has his own view, his own attitude, this is also garins flight into space , the name and then this is very fashionable a space theme, and he has high stars, but these are people, people, high stars , i wish i could only fly to you, its great that you mentioned this, i was born in the sixtyfirst year, so in my generation everyone was jurassic, that is there was a lot of yuriev, because gagarin is an absolutely cult figure, and of course, this title, in the spirit of the times , here is a dagestan book, its also interesting, again here is space, while the earth is spinning, and, by the way, ill read this poem, of course, sure, i think maybe now we will do this, yes, that is, we see that it is no coincidence that this formulation is the poet of the planets village, because Rasul Gamzatov, based on the values ​​of family, traditional, rural, korsky, he, of course, enters a different orbit, if we continue this style, this book was published already in 70. As far as i know , translations were made into russian by his classmates at the Literary Institute kozlovsky, naum grebnev, and it seems to me that a wide audience is in their translations, which are more accurate, it seems to me understandable to russian reader, i dont know whether you will say this later or not, but i want to. To say that for the avar people, Rasul Gamzatov did a lot, he translated pushkins poems into the avar language, and this introduced yesenin, yeah, well, Yakov Kozlovsky and naum grebnev, of course, these are classics, but everyone translated, a lot of translators, dozens , of course, grevnev and kazovsky are so unforgettable, even such outstanding poets, simonov and robert rozhdestven, translated. Then it was translated by Irina Snegova and elena nikolaevskaya, also by him classmate elena nikolaevskaya, yes, he was very friendly with her and translated. Yes, yuna moretz, indeed, many poets have translated, translated from iztan, Marina Anatolyevna akhmedova translated him, she is also a very good poet, she worked for many years in the writers union, and now heads our dagestan writers union, now avrutin recently translated papi into a poem , that is, it continues, that is, its not that they translated, we are talking about translation and its true, some people themselves translate dad about unsuccessfully for some reason from russian to russian, which is very sad, you know, on the one hand its sad, on the other hand, this is glory, this is a peoples poet, yes, anatoly, you promised us poems, please read those same ones while it s spinning , while the earth was spinning, i drank the sun, like people drink water , walking across the highlands of years, towards the red sunrise, sunset. In the land of steep and proud peaks, where hearts have a special ardor, i drank the stars from mountain rivers, from the springs of icy saws , from the blue heavenly bowl in green thickets and meadows, i greedily, air i drank the sweetest, infused on the clouds, i drank snowflakes, where the paths intertwined over the steepness, i remember the snowflakes melted along the way , sipped by me, i drank the spring, when the axes in the mountains baked there, where the north is strong in degrees, i drank the frost, as they drink vodka when i drank thunderstorms, it happened, whose glory to the lands is dear, as if the top edge of a glass, a rainbow arc sparkled, the prickly rose hips bloomed again , hops oozed from the dark rocks, i climbed the steep slope, inhaled the intoxicating smells, i reveled in the earthly beauty, blessed the bit more than once fell in love, fell in love, and drank songs like songs sang, the human soul, nature is complex, i drank with friends at the same time in the hour of joy, a bouza of honey, in the hour of grief, bitter wine, and if i drank with my heart, i did not drink for fun for the sake of pleasure, i saw the ashes of hiroshima, i heard laughter at festivals. And blowing sharply, as if on beer, to blow away the empty foam, i drank the essence of life, it is not false , it is true, the essence of life, i love and rejoice and suffer, and every day i drink to the dregs, i again feel thirsty, life alone is to blame for that, let i will leave the world one day, i will not quench my thirst in it, but people will thirst for this thirst, as long as you believe. Earth, wonderful, thank you very much, in my opinion, very much, corresponds to the nature of these strict, yes, this is a translation by Yakov Kozlovsky, this is kozlovsky, kozlovsky, one of the best translators, think about what a poem, indeed, it is about a lot of things, yes, named here , and the photograph is very consistent with all this, because this man is flying, collections that are called to the stars are mentioned stars, of course, what does he see in the mountains in the caucasus, like an unclean sky, and stars, so this is the world, transparent air, such farsightedness at the same time hospitality, family, kindness, thats whats important, yes, you know , thats exactly what i like about my dad in his poetry, there was even such a famous poem, the song was yellow leaves, leaves. Theyre all falling, falls, people trample with ears of ears, trample with ears of ears in clay and or, people have forgotten how much good these leaves were once given to them, i know that new leaves will form, there will be new gatherings, but for some reason a lot of things seem unfair to me in the laws nature, you know, its so touching to write about these leaves, yes, and he says to someone, well, its new and were waiting , well, autumn has come, theyve fallen, what else is there, like they should have, and he did the same